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post May 17 2022, 02:23 PM, updated 3y ago

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a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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post May 17 2022, 02:25 PM

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international or private?

now there is this private schooling booming too
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post May 17 2022, 02:26 PM

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From what i saw..most send to private school .not international school
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post May 17 2022, 02:26 PM

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should ask them directly. TS failed communications 101.

Its not a wrongdoing, its not kecaman, I'm sure they'll be glad to explain.


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post May 17 2022, 02:28 PM

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last time my ex-colleague also planning to send their kinds to private/international school. but the fees damn expensive.
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post May 17 2022, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Migrate to Singapore not married and have kids ? Living expenses there must be super expensive doh.gif
Most singaporean chinese mating rate very low, low s3x drive , 1 month baru sexing 3times
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post May 17 2022, 02:32 PM

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1 banana i know sent his elder kid to international school, then sent his youngest kid to SJKC. he say learning chinese is really important because non of them know how to speak/write chinese except the youngest kid.
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post May 17 2022, 02:35 PM

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fyi, regardless of international or private school u send, some of them still provide mandarin learning course
in fact u should be worry if u're sending your kid to gomen school where most teacher are not even properly skilled, and ur kid may end up can't speak english, broken mandarin and probably rempit bahasa

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post May 17 2022, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(NautieWabbit @ May 17 2022, 02:32 PM)
Migrate to Singapore not married and have kids ? Living expenses there must be super expensive doh.gif
Most singaporean chinese mating rate very low, low s3x drive , 1 month baru sexing 3times
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Singapore is slowly moving toward japan trend just minus the JAV portion only..... soon life will even become more stressful laugh.gif

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post May 17 2022, 02:40 PM

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why not.

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hoping their kids can build connections like jho low
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post May 17 2022, 02:44 PM

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Got mone sen to int skool

No mone sen to SK SJKC sjkt
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post May 17 2022, 02:46 PM

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some people say for networking since only rich sohai go there

but then maybe just to flex madafaka I rich can afford expensive school
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post May 17 2022, 02:48 PM

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From what I was told, I know some sent their kids to international/private school becoz they provide after school care service which is convenient for parents who both have to work. Since it gonna cost more or less the same looking for child care outside after school, might as well leave them at school.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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k drama kan..so that you can meet those rich parent and then who knows, business is there.
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post May 17 2022, 02:52 PM

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their kids are prepared for further studies and permanently migrate one day. Many nons are already preparing to migrate either this generation or the next. Alot of wealth are also moving.

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post May 17 2022, 03:04 PM

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Education is the basis of children's future ... if can, give them best of best

If old mentality like ramli burger rags to riches or garage business like apple/dell/microsoft, then good luck lor
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post May 17 2022, 03:06 PM

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nuff said

i'm also looking for international school for my kids

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If got money I so wanna send my kids to international or private school liao..apa boleh buat I'm frm peasant stock.

On paper, their curriculum is quite impressive .
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QUOTE(kira_88 @ May 17 2022, 02:46 PM)
some people say for networking since only rich sohai go there

but then maybe just to flex madafaka I rich can afford expensive school
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My ex boss sent his kid to a boarding school in England.. hefty school fees like fak for high-school edu but his kid rub shoulders with helang kids frm all over EU.. school break go horriday in friends family chalets in Switzerland lah, go to some villa in Italy lah. While we pipit can only dream abt it.
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post May 17 2022, 03:13 PM

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if u r rich currently, u already know what to do..

if u have to calculate whether u can afford it, and make certain projections about ur future earnings, best include a huge buffer...

i have a few frens/relatives who struggled financially..
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post May 17 2022, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2022, 03:13 PM)
if u r rich currently, u already know what to do..

if u have to calculate whether u can afford it, and make certain projections about ur future earnings, best include a huge buffer...

i have a few frens/relatives who struggled financially..
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i know one guy who worked overseas send his kids to international, suddenly kena retrenched.

then both he and wife have to struggle with whatever savings they had to push the kids to complete their education.

kids already form 3, cannot return back to SMK because all the while in private.
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QUOTE(NautieWabbit @ May 17 2022, 02:32 PM)
Migrate to Singapore not married and have kids ? Living expenses there must be super expensive doh.gif
Most singaporean chinese mating rate very low, low s3x drive , 1 month baru sexing 3times
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those who have relative in JB, stand a better chance to have kids in Spore.

Why? because can send to grandparents to take care.

because Spore not friendly for nursery facilities.

work late also, need to pick up kid late at night, nursery there expensive and no layan stay back late.

my friend who worked in china, came to spore for greneer pastures, turns out nightmare because he can't find convenience to place his kid, due to spore being regional office and he has to travel a lot


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QUOTE(Daylight_walker @ May 17 2022, 02:32 PM)
1 banana i know sent his elder kid to international school, then sent his youngest kid to SJKC. he say learning chinese is really important because non of them know how to speak/write chinese except the youngest kid.
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heard international school got BM and mandarin.

but their standard not so good.

i met a lot of international graduates whose BM is not so good.
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post May 17 2022, 03:22 PM

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Would you rather your kids go to helang school or pipit school?

Cost-wise, it's actually not that more expensive when you consider all the facilities and extra curricular activities included in private schools that are not available in public schools. For helang parents, these are necessities.

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Primary school in sjkc
Secondary school in
1 chinese independant (独中)or
2 gov chinese school (eg Catholic High) or
3 sekolah kluster kecemerlangan or
4 gov english school with long history (eg St John/methodist) or
5 good private (non commercialized) school (eg Sri KL)

Best of both world and no need to pay thru nose for fees.

Avoid "shoplot" schools and commercialized international/private school
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post May 17 2022, 03:27 PM

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dont worry too much for your kids.

my parents poor as well. like super poor. b40 kind.

all of us is in foreign country now. we all capable.

parents just do parent best, love children before they face real world. dont busy look for money only and bring up char siews.
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post May 17 2022, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 17 2022, 03:24 PM)
Primary school in sjkc
Secondary school in
1 chinese independant (独中)or
2 gov chinese school (eg Catholic High) or
3 sekolah kluster kecemerlangan or
4 gov english school with long history (eg St John/methodist) or
5 good private (non commercialized) school (eg Sri KL)

Best of both world and no need to pay thru nose for fees.

Avoid "shoplot" schools and commercialized international/private school
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Senior Middle for Sri KL is about 40k or more a year.

St John still good ?

chinese independent - 50 people per class ? depend if ur kid can pass entrance exam.

sekolah cermerlang ? - this one good, but that doesn't avoid the occassional ridiculous education change of gomen would propose.
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QUOTE(anakkk @ May 17 2022, 03:25 PM)
international or private?

now there is this private schooling booming too
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private is high keras, international only good deal.
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QUOTE(ReoAyanami @ May 17 2022, 03:22 PM)
Would you rather your kids go to helang school or pipit school?

Cost-wise, it's actually not that more expensive when you consider all the facilities and extra curricular activities included in private schools that are not available in public schools. For helang parents, these are necessities.
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the cheapest around for senior middle is 40k a year and some range 50k-200k per year.

and we still got to save for their university education.

for nons, the possibility of not enter local university is very high depending the course you want to take up.
nons grades must be very gooding because entrance for nons is very narrow to local uni.


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Sure mahal yuran to pay for int school. Why not kalau better, tak kisah. Good for kids
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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 17 2022, 04:24 PM)
Primary school in sjkc
Secondary school in
1 chinese independant (独中)or
2 gov chinese school (eg Catholic High) or
3 sekolah kluster kecemerlangan or
4 gov english school with long history (eg St John/methodist) or
5 good private (non commercialized) school (eg Sri KL)

Best of both world and no need to pay thru nose for fees.

Avoid "shoplot" schools and commercialized international/private school
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shop lot private school cannot, especially those outer kemuning area. lol
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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One of my far uncle sent her daughter and son to international school because they are not doing well in smk, they thought they will have a better environment and quality friends over there compared to local sekolah menengah.

Ended up both the daughter and son get close with spoiled friends, flaunting wealth by driving luxury cars to school, skipped classes, smoking and most of them entered that school are uneducated and dont want to study further.

In short, they attended rubbish international school with outdated education.
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QUOTE(NautieWabbit @ May 17 2022, 02:32 PM)
Most singaporean chinese mating rate very low, low s3x drive , 1 month baru sexing 3times
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Can't blame them as they are mostly ugly, I mean when they are looking at each other they also lose appetite, how they hell they wanna have sex right?
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do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Firstly dun wanna be talibanised in gomen school, puasa time eat in Toilets, want to be taught by dedicated teachers not degree dropouts/grad with no jobs, learn science and maths in English not BM. No need to waste time competing with ore kito and still not get a place in local univs that mostly financed by taxes from Nons.

Only go SRJK© to learn a language to get advantage in job market esp overseas with foreign companies that invest in PRC, later goto private/international schools in Year 7 until yr10 prepare for O levels, do matriculation or continue 1 year in local college then degree program with masters twinning overseas then get a job there which values mandarin speaking which will send you overseas as an expat or expat package. At least with 2-5 years working experience b4 returning to my or better singkie which wants Malaysians instead of PRC or India.




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luckily in penang unker still have good choices of SRJKC schools and IND 2nd Skool..

skip SPM.. take UEC.. go overseas uni straight..
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:46 PM)
Firstly dun wanna be talibanised in gomen school, puasa time eat in Toilets, want to be taught by dedicated teachers not degree dropouts/grad with no jobs, learn science and maths in English not BM. No need to waste time competing with ore kito and still not get a place in local univs that mostly financed by taxes from Nons.

Only go SRJK© to learn a language to get advantage in job market esp overseas with foreign companies that invest in PRC, later goto private/international schools in Year 7 until yr10 prepare for O levels, do matriculation or continue 1 year in local college then degree program with masters twinning overseas then get a job there which values mandarin speaking which will send you overseas as an expat or expat package. At least with 2-5 years working experience b4 returning to my or better singkie which wants Malaysians instead of PRC or India.
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I was thinking of send to SRJK then international school in year 7 also.
but some parents don't even have the resources, straight after kindergarden send to international.
even if they had, it would be a loss because not able to grasp the mandarin. I heard international school not so good in teaching mandarin and BM.

not just the concerns you have on SMK.
I had very bad exp in SMK. My SMK was a very reputable school before gomen took over, and when they did, the good teachers left, and replaced with teachers who didn't bother to teach well and some even ponteng classes. It dipped in quality over the years.


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Yes i plan send my kids to cempaka. RM1800 a month
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ May 17 2022, 02:35 PM)
fyi, regardless of international or private school u send, some of them still provide mandarin learning course
in fact u should be worry if u're sending your kid to gomen school where most teacher are not even properly skilled, and ur kid may end up can't speak english, broken mandarin and probably rempit bahasa
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International school oftentimes only have 1 class per week on Mandarin, not sufficient.

Thats why I send mine to SRJKC for primary, then switch to international for secondary. That way atleast the mandarin base is strong enough.
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Maybe becoz international / private school is a first step for easier to migrate. Even in /k many want to migrate.
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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2022, 03:50 PM)
luckily in penang unker still have good choices of SRJKC schools and IND 2nd Skool..

skip SPM.. take UEC.. go overseas uni straight..
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Some even taken dual stream in Independant schools.

SPM and UEC.

Must be very stress.
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gib chance for their kids to do better in ukraine
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Maybe becoz international / private school is a first step for easier to migrate. Even in /k many want to migrate.
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is it ?

i don't see anywhere in australia or uk migration system that give you more points for international education.
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gib chance for their kids to do better in ukraine
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why ukraine ?
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:52 PM)
I was thinking of send to SRJK then international school in year 7 also.
but some parents don't even have the resources, straight after kindergarden send to international.
even if they had, it would be a loss because not able to grasp the mandarin. I heard international school not so good in teaching mandarin and BM.

not just the concerns you have on SMK.
I had very bad exp in SMK. My SMK was a very reputable school before gomen took over, and when they did, the good teachers left, and replaced with teachers who didn't bother to teach well and some even ponteng classes. It dipped in quality over the years.
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International schools have lower standard mandarin programs. My first born straight to Inter school at 6 yrs old, now changed to a more Chinese owned school which has a better teaching program. Original was a 1st tier school like Gardens so emphasis was english. Teachers were all expats but after covid, all local yindians so decided to change.

I went to Catholik school and after I left, gomen took over and removed all the crosses from classrooms so that non Christians wun be auto converted. whistling.gif



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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:56 PM)
is it ?

i don't see anywhere in australia or uk migration system that give you more points for international education.
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Compare your kids with sjk education and international/private education, very obvious right which one your kids easier to assimilate later.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Many orang kaya wont waste time sent their kids to gomen school la all go intl school... orang miskin like us no choice have to go gomen school lo... ppl migrate to spore to earn more $$ and get out of this shit place la.. if got money can migrate if no money shut up and live on lo simple....

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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I see many of our minister said govt school are very good but then they themselves send his/her kids to international school.
Faham faham saja lar.

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UMNO helangs all send private school

Must be good lor
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Migrate to Singapore not married and have kids ? Living expenses there must be super expensive doh.gif
Most singaporean chinese mating rate very low, low s3x drive , 1 month baru sexing 3times
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Spore woman beautiful wo...
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Why target to migrate to White countries?

No scared BLM, racist bogans or mass shooting ?

Better go mighty RedChina. Let Emperor Xi own all your buttocks
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ May 17 2022, 04:04 PM)
I see many of our minister said govt school are very good but then they themselves send his/her kids to international school.
Faham faham saja lar.
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:59 PM)
International schools have lower standard mandarin programs. My first born straight to Inter school at 6 yrs old, now changed to a more Chinese owned school which has a better teaching program. Original was a 1st tier school like Gardens so emphasis was english. Teachers were all expats but after covid, all local yindians so decided to change.

I went to Catholik school and after I left, gomen took over and removed all the crosses from classrooms so that non Christians wun be auto converted. whistling.gif
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Local Indians not up to standard? Might even have professional teaching certificate. Might be cheaper than expatriates diedie wants to be paid in USD/Pound/Euro but 0 teaching knowledge
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:28 PM)
Senior Middle for Sri KL is about 40k or more a year.

St John still good ?

chinese independent - 50 people per class ? depend if ur kid can pass entrance exam.

sekolah cermerlang ? - this one good, but that doesn't avoid the occassional ridiculous education change of gomen would propose.
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40k is still much cheaper than many international school which can go up to 100k or more. But SriKL is very reputable.

St John was attended by our ex-PM. If it is good enough for PM, should be good enough for rest of us.

chinese independant is very brutal. High competition. But it will help children to be independent and street smart. Not to mention able to master mandarin and english.

If those famous school is too expensive or too far from house, can choose nearby sekolah cemerlang. At least got some quality control.

All in all, no perfect school, only the one that is suitable for your situation.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:30 PM)
the cheapest around for senior middle is 40k a year and some range 50k-200k per year.

and we still got to save for their university education.

for nons, the possibility of not enter local university is very high depending the course you want to take up.
nons grades must be very gooding because entrance for nons is very narrow to local uni.
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I will send my kids to private or int school as long as I can afford it

Don’t want my kids to learn distorted Malayan history which glorifies certain civilisation and race

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Unker think to send my dotter to private skool in the future oso…

Not international…

Private school my younger sis send 1 of her kid there too…

Quite convenient i heard. School time until 4pm. 1 hour+ she play with her frens in school compound. 5pm+ my sis pick her up.

Lunch all provided by school already in fee. Her study oso not so cramp coz the school time longer hours compared to gomen school until 1-1.30pm only(half day).
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banana can learn mandarin one.

not that hard. just need to know how to write, read, and speak basic mandarin enough edi.

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Nowdays, is about Helang School vs. Rempit School.
- Helang Teacher vs. Rempit Teacher

Choose, your Next-Generation to be Helang or. Rempit! thumbup.gif


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Because sekolah kebangsaan standards keep on dropping. SJK on the other hand are not really keeping up with the times, still the same SJK teaching style which focuses on homework homework homework and memorise memorise memorise.
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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ May 17 2022, 04:16 PM)
Local Indians not up to standard? Might even have professional teaching certificate.  Might be cheaper than expatriates diedie wants to be paid in USD/Pound/Euro but 0 teaching knowledge
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Nowdays, is about Helang School vs. Rempit School.
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Choose, your Next-Generation to be Helang or. Rempit!  thumbup.gif
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If, I'm teacher I also want to teach Helang's sons / daughters than useless rempit!
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QUOTE(loserguy @ May 17 2022, 02:43 PM)
hoping their kids can build connections like jho low
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TS punya colleague, but come ask at /k instead of asking colleague.

Ni la proof of bangang 101. No wonder TS colleagues send their kids to INT school, to avoid their kids growing up like TS.
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Better to send them to SJKC for primary taking UPSR and Private school for secondary taking SPM. Advantages of at least good in both English and Mandarin. Certain professions required at least a credit for SPM BM. Only spend < 100k.

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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:59 PM)
International schools have lower standard mandarin programs. My first born straight to Inter school at 6 yrs old, now changed to a more Chinese owned school which has a better teaching program. Original was a 1st tier school like Gardens so emphasis was english. Teachers were all expats but after covid, all local yindians so decided to change.

I went to Catholik school and after I left, gomen took over and removed all the crosses from classrooms so that non Christians wun be auto converted. whistling.gif
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yes mine was a catholic school run by the priests.

until the gomen took over and all hell broke loose.
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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 17 2022, 04:19 PM)
40k is still much cheaper than many international school which can go up to 100k or more. But SriKL is very reputable.

St John was attended by our ex-PM. If it is good enough for PM, should be good enough for rest of us.

chinese independant is very brutal. High competition. But it will help children to be independent and street smart. Not to mention able to master mandarin and english.

If those famous school is too expensive or too far from house, can choose nearby sekolah cemerlang. At least got some quality control.

All in all, no perfect school, only the one that is suitable for your situation.
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St john attended by Ex PM was in the 1970s, it was run by the mubaligh then.

Dunno now if the standard is lower.

if kid cannot keep up with chinese independent, will get kicked out then go where ? can't go back to SMK.

sekolah cemerlang if u stay nearby, if no cemerlang nearby can still enroll far away ? anyways, don't really want distorted sejarah lessons and other not very value added subjects.

Think they even try to make maths and science easier so the rest can pass.
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While many hearsays about how good int school is to ur kid, do not forget that some int school has so many high profile helang sending their kids in, if u want ur kid to blend in u need to contribute a lot a lot of money, not just the school fees, otherwise the kid might end up been a subject of bully. for instance comparing their gadget, phone, hobby mahal. If u cant keep up and the kid been ignored by other kids, he might end up low esteem instead of building confident and the connection u think will benefit them.

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:56 PM)
is it ?

i don't see anywhere in australia or uk migration system that give you more points for international education.
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International school kids can easily assimilate/integrate/socialise when going abroad

I studied abroad, SJK students stick to themselves. SMK hit or miss (mostly miss).

International kids are fine
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Ask yourself la why you want to send your kids to int or private school? My PhD friend work as physic and maths tutors told me private school syllabus ain't any tougher than our national school leh.. National school grad usually have better theory foundation but private school 1 more creative when it comes to answering the exam.

This is comparing both good student la ya, not your typical next door mat lajak mat rempit material.
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yes mine was a catholic school run by the priests.

until the gomen took over and all hell broke loose.
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:30 PM)
Ask yourself la why you want to send your kids to int or private school? My PhD friend work as physic and maths tutors told me private school syllabus ain't any tougher than our national school leh.. National school grad usually have better theory foundation but private school 1 more creative when it comes to answering the exam.

This is comparing both good student la ya, not your typical next door mat lajak mat rempit material.
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mat lajak mat rempit got go international school leh?
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From what i saw..most send to private school .not international school
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:30 PM)
Ask yourself la why you want to send your kids to int or private school? My PhD friend work as physic and maths tutors told me private school syllabus ain't any tougher than our national school leh.. National school grad usually have better theory foundation but private school 1 more creative when it comes to answering the exam.

This is comparing both good student la ya, not your typical next door mat lajak mat rempit material.
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because the nearby school no good
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:30 PM)
Ask yourself la why you want to send your kids to int or private school? My PhD friend work as physic and maths tutors told me private school syllabus ain't any tougher than our national school leh.. National school grad usually have better theory foundation but private school 1 more creative when it comes to answering the exam.

This is comparing both good student la ya, not your typical next door mat lajak mat rempit material.
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The real problem is not the syllabus, its the teacher, u know well local school are shortage of teacher, one moment u have no teacher, next moment they place a moral teacher to teach u science. Unless u gotten into the good one, which even u are within the living area there are ppl who duped address to get in and ur kid might not even get enrolled, most ppl will first try their luck to get enrolled in the good locals school, but if cant get it, u either go private/int or enroll into shitty local school, ur choice.

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QUOTE(imigresen @ May 17 2022, 05:34 PM)
mat lajak mat rempit got go international school leh?
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:42 PM)
Mat lajak mat rempit mat cemerlang future cgpa 4.0 dekan went national school la kek.. Baca la elok elok
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ May 17 2022, 05:35 PM)
The real problem is not the syllabus, its the teacher, u know well local school are shortage of teacher, one moment u have no teacher, next moment they place a moral teacher to teach u science. Unless u gotten into the good one, which even u are within the living area there are ppl who duped address to get in and ur kid might not even get enrolled, most ppl will first try their luck to get enrolled in the good locals school, but if cant get it, u either go private/int or enroll into shitty local school, ur choice.
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Register your kid earlier, or enroll your kid to the well-known school affiliate kindergarten. Do extra mile or be prepare to go shitty school or pay for private. Your choice
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No wonder tun kuda said Malaysian tak suka membaca
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Register your kid earlier, or enroll your kid to the well-known school affiliate kindergarten. Do extra mile or be prepare to go shitty school or pay for private. Your choice
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annual fee of rm5000 vs rm40000 is a big big difference.
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And this is current value. Nothing stop them from increasing fees year to year. The current average should be around 15k for primary
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means u trust your tun kuda. must be your role model
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You can trust but you don't have to trust and worship a person entirely la topkek. Your life is binary mode is it, either 'absolute yes' or 'absolute no'?

Shit, don't think you can comprehend anyway. Added to my ignore list 1 star joker
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:52 PM)
You can trust but you don't have to trust and worship a person entirely la topkek. Your life is binary mode is it, either 'absolute yes' or 'absolute no'?

Shit, don't think you can comprehend anyway. Added to my ignore list 1 star joker
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I have to say.. if my son/daughter didnt get one of the sbp or good mrsm, I will for sure send them to private/international school
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QUOTE(Abu Agrabah @ May 17 2022, 05:57 PM)
I have to say.. if my son/daughter didnt get one of the sbp or good mrsm, I will for sure send them to private/international school
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Cambridge syllabus more interesting. Take a look at its History and how it analyze case. Detailed and no extreme distortion for sake of politic. Critical thinking is being trained.

Yup, send my kid to international school. But way cheaper compared to rest

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YES. I am one of those parent that send the kid to "international school". A tier-3 sort of with a yearly fees of around 30K. Couldn't afford more than that
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:22 PM)
heard international school got BM and mandarin.

but their standard not so good.

i met a lot of international graduates whose BM is not so good.
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Yup, IS BM and Chinese is at lower pace at least by 3 years.

English is advance by few years.

Most IS got foreign language like France and Spanish
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:30 PM)
the cheapest around for senior middle is 40k a year and some range 50k-200k per year.

and we still got to save for their university education.

for nons, the possibility of not enter local university is very high depending the course you want to take up.
nons grades must be very gooding because entrance for nons is very narrow to local uni.
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Public uni lecturer lack of diversity and exposure. avoid unless necessary
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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ May 17 2022, 05:50 PM)
Legend say even if u enroll earlier someone might get ahead of u by doing contribution, apply to srjk© , hearsay only ya
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Contribution is known, no need hearsay ya. Worse is when contribution also can't make you in there

Anyway, sjk is easier to enrol now because many parent prefer to send their kid to private/itl school lor. Most of their reason is not to have their kid compete on marks in their early day and of course the never ending homework.
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:46 PM)
Firstly dun wanna be talibanised in gomen school, puasa time eat in Toilets, want to be taught by dedicated teachers not degree dropouts/grad with no jobs, learn science and maths in English not BM. No need to waste time competing with ore kito and still not get a place in local univs that mostly financed by taxes from Nons.

Only go SRJK© to learn a language to get advantage in job market esp overseas with foreign companies that invest in PRC, later goto private/international schools in Year 7 until yr10 prepare for O levels, do matriculation or continue 1 year in local college then degree program with masters twinning overseas then get a job there which values mandarin speaking which will send you overseas as an expat or expat package. At least with 2-5 years working experience b4 returning to my or better singkie which wants Malaysians instead of PRC or India.
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Can elaborate which matriculation for post O level?
Also degree with master twinning overseas
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QUOTE(seather @ May 17 2022, 03:50 PM)
luckily in penang unker still have good choices of SRJKC schools and IND 2nd Skool..

skip SPM.. take UEC.. go overseas uni straight..
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UEC taiwan n china uni?
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 17 2022, 05:30 PM)
Ask yourself la why you want to send your kids to int or private school? My PhD friend work as physic and maths tutors told me private school syllabus ain't any tougher than our national school leh.. National school grad usually have better theory foundation but private school 1 more creative when it comes to answering the exam.

This is comparing both good student la ya, not your typical next door mat lajak mat rempit material.
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Presentation skills and critical thinking hardly embed in national syllabus.

Why make pipit smarter?
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UEC taiwan n china uni?
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UEC recognized in many countries as A levels equivalent

My cousin graduated from uni of Calgary
My sibling graduated from uni of Melbourne

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UEC recognized in many countries as A levels equivalent

My cousin graduated from uni of Calgary
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Because a primary school kid's English is better than the teacher. Teacher that supposed to teach English, the kid can correct the teacher's grammar if the kid learn English at home.

That's how far the standard has dropped. I facepalm at level of some gomen school teachers these days.

My friend teach English at Chinese private school,(called as Chinese independent school) . Her English is like what we learn in old days, proper British English.

Another friend teach at private primary school, use homeschooling syllabus. Syllabus in English, so of course all the teachers can speak English well. It's not even International school level yet.

Private Chinese school not that expensive. Last I heard was RM300 a month, for a non profit based one in Melaka.


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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:46 PM)
Firstly dun wanna be talibanised in gomen school, puasa time eat in Toilets, want to be taught by dedicated teachers not degree dropouts/grad with no jobs, learn science and maths in English not BM. No need to waste time competing with ore kito and still not get a place in local univs that mostly financed by taxes from Nons.

Only go SRJK© to learn a language to get advantage in job market esp overseas with foreign companies that invest in PRC, later goto private/international schools in Year 7 until yr10 prepare for O levels, do matriculation or continue 1 year in local college then degree program with masters twinning overseas then get a job there which values mandarin speaking which will send you overseas as an expat or expat package. At least with 2-5 years working experience b4 returning to my or better singkie which wants Malaysians instead of PRC or India.
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This, it is and to many is not by choice.

Thanks to the genius that lower the bar, to mill lapsap graduates, which are the educators for the next generation

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I heard many switch to Int school when entering std 5.
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QUOTE(Avex @ May 17 2022, 02:52 PM)
their kids are prepared for further studies and permanently migrate one day. Many nons are already preparing to migrate either this generation or the next. Alot of wealth are also moving.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Of course. U want the SRJK to brainwash our child with nonsense merehsian education such as PM Bijan is the bapa pf X bullsheet?

No way dude.
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Interested to know more of the average fees that Malaysians pay for International/Private Schools
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International school best.

Got summer break go different SEA country with classmates, hiking caving and diving.

Ownself sponsor kid on top of school fee but worth it.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:22 PM)
heard international school got BM and mandarin.

but their standard not so good.

i met a lot of international graduates whose BM is not so good.
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Got both but until Std 6 level only
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Don't even have to look at syllabus. Just look at how they teach the kids in international/private school vs govt school. In international school they encourage school to question the teacher and ask why this or why that then come out with the answer based on teacher's answer and own reasoning. In govt school you ask why kena denda berdiri atas kerusi. In the future you think which kid will succeed in the world where you're supposed to think for yourself and nobody will spoonfeed you.
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ May 17 2022, 05:04 PM)
I see many of our minister said govt school are very good but then they themselves send his/her kids to international school.
Faham faham saja lar.
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Depends which ones. Anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on the year.

GIS is prolly the most expensive - close to 100k a year. You'll also find the richest kids here.

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primary school go sjkc, secondary school go international sch, college go private, uni go overseas. thats the general rule of thumb

i went international school in secondary and i learnt more in 1 year and made more meaningful connections than i would ever have at smk.
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Crazy demand in private education, even with money u may not be able to secure a place for your kid 🥲
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Despite having the biggest budget every year in education, public education is still less popular and of lower quality judging by students they produced compared to private education what is wrong?
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I sent my kid to international school. So?

Ayam B40.

AMA.
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I sent my kid to international school. So?

Ayam B40.

AMA.
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B40 kids cant mix with T20 kids, spending style different, chat topic different, activities different, mentality different and in the end your kid will get isolated, b40 just send your kids to b40 school
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B40 kids cant mix with T20 kids, spending style different, chat topic different, activities different, mentality different and in the end your kid will get isolated, b40 just send your kids to b40 school
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That's why I asked him to look for the next Najib to become BFF.

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That's why I asked him to look for the next Najib to become BFF.
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why not become the next "Najib" instead of looking to tag along someone else? Those friendships with strings attached wont last

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why not become the next "Najib" instead of looking to tag along someone else? Those friendships with strings attached wont last
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Not qualified lah...cos parent too rich.
Income too high cannot masuk srjk, sjk, smk, smjk...

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I sent my kid to international school. So?

Ayam B40.

AMA.
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Which school, how much fees, how is his results and achievements?

Why is it better?
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Srjk now also not qualified to go China leh
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Which school, how much fees, how is his results and achievements?

Why is it better?
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I don't think it's better. Because he sucks at Mandarin in SRJK, so sent him to International School. Lol.

Frankly, all school got good and bad. Chinese school trains you like robot, Int school, better opportunity to communicate with teachers. I prefer this. Need to cabar teacher sometimes. Jangan pantang di cabar!

Now already in College doing Foundation in Engineering.
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International school is worth after primary.

Secondary u go govt school, teaching quality is really problematic
Hence as parent u want ur kids to able to coop
U send them to tuition
Tuition fees add up almost same as private school

I remember last time I pay tuition fee stack up to about 400-500 a month. Not adding the transport and time my parent provide.( I'm not a well study kid sad.gif)
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This is Only if dont plan to let the child come back...earn money overseas to pay back the Hundreds of thousands spent on intl education and university. Working locally? no way earn back that amount spent on education. SO in the end children have to go overseas in the future and away from parents, some even forgetting or not helping the poor parents back at home. Thats why no point having children as nons in malaysia lol work whole life just to pay pay for their education in the end separated.

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Learn maths and science in English Vs Bahasa... Which u prefer?
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Not mainly for migration la. My relatives also sent my young nephews and niece to private schools because those schools actually TEACH. lol
And comparing my poor govt school's curriculum and teacher quality with theirs, I admit their reasons are legit la despite more expensive and competitive.
I checked youtube and online of my ex-SK/SMK school, still look poor and lack facilities since 2000s.
Time has changed la... this generation is getting more competitive and need to be ahead education-wise. I would do the same if I have kids too.
But yea these students will eventually learn the conditions of our country, then they also prefer to move overseas if they can afford to.

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QUOTE(Akaashi @ May 17 2022, 02:48 PM)
From what I was told, I know some sent their kids to international/private school becoz they provide after school care service which is convenient for parents who both have to work. Since it gonna cost more or less the same looking for child care outside after school, might as well leave them at school.
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I prefer save money for tertiary education

For Secondary education, I send to public school.

My kids are average and should fit in
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QUOTE(focusrite @ May 18 2022, 09:01 AM)
Huh, never thought about this
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Coz not every parents need to worry about after school care if the grandparents are nearby/ stay in the same house. At least got ppl jaga the kids after school.

Since there is not many local boarding school and most also only for bumi students only, ppl like us (came from other states but work in KV) have to either:
1. Look for private / international boarding school
2. Hire caretaker/put kids at childcare center
3. 1 parent quit the job to take care of the kids.

Edit: OK there is also option 4 but rarely happens due to work nature/distance from school : bring kid to your office and wait for you finish work.

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QUOTE(TheEvilMan @ May 17 2022, 05:18 PM)
While many hearsays about how good int school is to ur kid, do not forget that some int school has so many high profile helang sending their kids in, if u want ur kid to blend in u need to contribute a lot a lot of money, not just the school fees, otherwise the kid might end up been a subject of bully. for instance comparing their gadget, phone, hobby mahal.  If u cant keep up and the kid been ignored by other kids, he might end up low esteem instead of building confident and the connection u think will benefit them.
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I also think about this.

Imagine if u r poor and ur parents barely scrape the barrel to put u in school.

then all those rich kids come to school with abang driver and bodyguard and hipster bag, tablet, hp, etc.

sure will feel out of place.


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I prefer save money for tertiary education

For Secondary education, I send to public school.

My kids are average and should fit in
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I went to tertiary mixed with those from international and independent

But sometimes I felt those classmates who came from independent school are really good
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Learn maths and science in English Vs Bahasa... Which u prefer?
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I learnt Industrial Arts iN BM

i tell you, its really wierd with all those direct translation terminology.

and their text books suck.

imagine in wood work or motor work, the terminology all direct translate.

and not even use in real life.

mind as well in english
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come across this one interesting thread in reddit

What is cocurriculums for actually?

https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/...s_for_actually/

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It's a cargo cult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

The early Malaysian statesmen, who were all educated in London, saw that British lads were active in social organized activities outside of school hours. They thought that this has some sort of correlation with the higher level of wealth and prosperity of the Brits, but utterly failed to understand the fundamental significance of those after-school activities.

Their first mistake was getting the causality backwards. They thought that participation in after-school organization lead to better mental and social development in children. Actually the lads' willingness to participate in social activity is a reflection of a healthy social environment that encouraged children to pursue their interests. Trying to achieve a result from the wrong direction lead to a disastrous failure.

Their second mistake was applying the typical Malay nobility top-down style of governance. They failed to realize that British lads joined various groups because those groups were fun. They weren't forced or compelled to join by anyone. In Malaysia, they designed a system where students are effectively compelled to join a limited set of ministry-approved organization. Of course you can't spend your after-school hours discussing anything that could threaten the power structure of the country, such as liberalism, socialism, secularism, atheism and feminism.

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come across this one interesting thread in reddit

What is cocurriculums for actually?

https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/...s_for_actually/

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It's a cargo cult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

The early Malaysian statesmen, who were all educated in London, saw that British lads were active in social organized activities outside of school hours. They thought that this has some sort of correlation with the higher level of wealth and prosperity of the Brits, but utterly failed to understand the fundamental significance of those after-school activities.

Their first mistake was getting the causality backwards. They thought that participation in after-school organization lead to better mental and social development in children. Actually the lads' willingness to participate in social activity is a reflection of a healthy social environment that encouraged children to pursue their interests. Trying to achieve a result from the wrong direction lead to a disastrous failure.

Their second mistake was applying the typical Malay nobility top-down style of governance. They failed to realize that British lads joined various groups because those groups were fun. They weren't forced or compelled to join by anyone. In Malaysia, they designed a system where students are effectively compelled to join a limited set of ministry-approved organization. Of course you can't spend your after-school hours discussing anything that could threaten the power structure of the country, such as liberalism, socialism, secularism, atheism and feminism.
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Spore also failed in terms of co curriculum activities.

They force students to take up CCA, and made pass or fail grading.
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Spore also failed in terms of co curriculum activities.

They force students to take up CCA, and made pass or fail grading.
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I noticed that they have some interesting CCA subjects

Rock band/song composing cool2.gif

https://thesmartlocal.com/read/unique-ccas/
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International school same cost with private school + tuition ?
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I noticed that they have some interesting CCA subjects

Rock band/song composing  cool2.gif

https://thesmartlocal.com/read/unique-ccas/
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I see E-Sports.

this is interesting.


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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ May 17 2022, 03:46 PM)
Firstly dun wanna be talibanised in gomen school, puasa time eat in Toilets, want to be taught by dedicated teachers not degree dropouts/grad with no jobs, learn science and maths in English not BM. No need to waste time competing with ore kito and still not get a place in local univs that mostly financed by taxes from Nons.

Only go SRJK© to learn a language to get advantage in job market esp overseas with foreign companies that invest in PRC, later goto private/international schools in Year 7 until yr10 prepare for O levels, do matriculation or continue 1 year in local college then degree program with masters twinning overseas then get a job there which values mandarin speaking which will send you overseas as an expat or expat package. At least with 2-5 years working experience b4 returning to my or better singkie which wants Malaysians instead of PRC or India.
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Let me lay out some realities for you:

If you think that just learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© is going to equip you with sufficient proficiency in the language to be able to "have an advantage with foreign companies that invest in PRC", you are deluding yourself. While I do not deny that learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© brings your ability in Chinese to a relatively good level, it is not enough for professional purposes. You will not even have sufficient vocabulary to make a boardroom presentation or engage clients, and you will find yourself code-switching with English and fumbling through Google Translate for every second or third word that you encounter. Would you say that "learning English until Standard 6 is sufficient to engage the English-speaking market and workforce"? If the answer is obviously "no", then why the double standards? I know people who have this same mindset - after their kids completed 6 years of SRJK©, off they went to international school. Guess what: Fast-forward 1-2 years later, and they could barely string a sentence together in Chinese. Even worse if the family does not speak Chinese at home.

If you want to learn Chinese to a usable level and retain it for life, then there are no two ways about it than to walk through the established systems: One is to continue learning it at government secondary school, preferably at an SMJK© where SPM Chinese is compulsory, or at an SMK that offers the subject (and even then the absolute minimum is to learn it to Form 3 before you decide you want to drop the subject), Otherwise, and even better, go to a Chinese Independent High School. Don't even start with me on international schools offering "Chinese elective classes in Year X or Year Y" - you will learn the same stuff that you learned in SRJK©, and you will retain nothing.

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I like to call bullsh*t on that. My Mandarin teacher who’s Hindu Indian learnt mandarin until std 6, taught malays and indians incl bananas how to understand and speak Mandarin. He taught all the Malay information/front desk staff conversational Mandarin, enough to be able to give PRC tourists directions. Its not how much time you need to learn but understand the languages. Chinese schools are all hafal like sekolah agama, doesn’t mean they are gonna be experts in the languages unless they used it everyday at home and with their friends same like I learnt Hokkien and cantonese, in school and in univ, It’s also your aptitude and willingness to learn, if bodo and malas, no hope. I also studied mandarin, 1 period a day for 5 days, 6 years, didn’t remember much cos my mandarin speaking classmates were children of hawkers and B40, preferring to speak English as they considered mandarin as a coolie language, circa 80s while none of them are B40 now.

Nowadays PRC also hiring English speaking overseas chinese as their locals have not mastered this foreign language. Our own locals may have better english then them but still make grammatical mistakes and still confuse with gender, his-her, typical of chinese/malay which does not have gender in their verbs because 你 or “dia” is used for both genders.





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Could afford think of children future. Couldn't afford have 101 excuses not to send children to international school.
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Private or international school bad ROI

Best combo is srjkc and smk(chinese), or

srjkc then famous english school (eg St joseph, St xavier)

For pre-U, go for STPM or Matriculasi.

Invest those money in good divident stocks for university
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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 7 2023, 09:58 PM)
Let me lay out some realities for you:

If you think that just learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© is going to equip you with sufficient proficiency in the language to be able to "have an advantage with foreign companies that invest in PRC", you are deluding yourself. While I do not deny that learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© brings your ability in Chinese to a relatively good level, it is not enough for professional purposes. You will not even have sufficient vocabulary to make a boardroom presentation or engage clients, and you will find yourself code-switching with English and fumbling through Google Translate for every second or third word that you encounter. Would you say that "learning English until Standard 6 is sufficient to engage the English-speaking market and workforce"? If the answer is obviously "no", then why the double standards? I know people who have this same mindset - after their kids completed 6 years of SRJK©, off they went to international school. Guess what: Fast-forward 1-2 years later, and they could barely string a sentence together in Chinese. Even worse if the family does not speak Chinese at home.

If you want to learn Chinese to a usable level and retain it for life, then there are no two ways about it than to walk through the established systems: One is to continue learning it at government secondary school, preferably at an SMJK© where SPM Chinese is compulsory, or at an SMK that offers the subject (and even then the absolute minimum is to learn it to Form 3 before you decide you want to drop the subject), Otherwise, and even better, go to a Chinese Independent High School. Don't even start with me on international schools offering "Chinese elective classes in Year X or Year Y" - you will learn the same stuff that you learned in SRJK©, and you will retain nothing.
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The best combo is sjkc and SMK©. Good balance of bahasa, english and chinese till SPM. And most students will speak in English and Mandarin in school too. Having good SPM BM will also increase the chance of entering matriculasi and stpm which will enable one to enter critical courses such as medicine and dentistry in Public unis, saving even more money.

Comparing to Chinese independent schools, students usually will be good in Mandarin, but weak in English and BM. Even with SPM BM, entering public uni will be very difficult.
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:09 PM)
The best combo is sjkc and SMK©. Good balance of bahasa, english and chinese till SPM. And most students will speak in English and Mandarin in school too. Having good SPM BM will also increase the chance of entering matriculasi and stpm which will enable one to enter critical courses such as medicine and dentistry in Public unis, saving even more money.

Comparing to Chinese independent schools, students usually will be good in Mandarin, but weak in English and BM. Even with SPM BM, entering public uni will be very difficult.
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I am a product of SJKC Lick Hung + SMJK Katholik PJ. Can tell you all the students there, regardless of race, can speak mandarin and english well. Our sciences all are in english and compulsory SPM BC.

We have chinese lesson everyday from Mon to Fri. I have to take lrt for 1hr home since form 1 and it was tough, some days after school heavy rain no choice, by the time I walk until lrt station already wet. But I'm grateful that my parents forced me to study mandarin until SPM.
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QUOTE(df569 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:35 PM)
I am a product of SJKC Lick Hung + SMJK Katholik PJ. Can tell you all the students there, regardless of race, can speak mandarin and english well. Our sciences all are in english and compulsory SPM BC.

We have chinese lesson everyday from Mon to Fri. I have to take lrt for 1hr home since form 1 and it was tough, some days after school heavy rain no choice, by the time I walk until lrt station already wet. But I'm grateful that my parents forced me to study mandarin until SPM.
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How about BM. Then Pak rebai will use you as example of forgoing BM for other languages


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ May 24 2022, 02:03 PM)
I noticed that they have some interesting CCA subjects

Rock band/song composing  cool2.gif

https://thesmartlocal.com/read/unique-ccas/
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U know what CCA we got in SMK ? Is called ponteng sekolah, venue for the activities is at CC / mamak / kopitiam / someone's house
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I like to call bullsh*t on that. My Mandarin teacher who’s Hindu Indian learnt mandarin until std 6, taught malays and indians incl bananas how to understand and speak Mandarin. He taught all the Malay information/front desk staff conversational Mandarin, enough to be able to give PRC tourists directions. Its not how much time you need to learn but understand the languages. Chinese schools are all hafal like sekolah agama, doesn’t mean they are gonna be experts in the languages unless they used it everyday at home and with their friends same like I learnt Hokkien and cantonese, in school and in univ, It’s also your aptitude and willingness to learn, if bodo and malas, no hope. I also studied mandarin, 1 period a day for 5 days, 6 years, didn’t remember much cos my mandarin speaking classmates were children of hawkers and B40, preferring to speak English as they considered mandarin as a coolie language, circa 80s while none of them are B40 now.

Nowadays PRC also hiring English speaking overseas chinese as their locals have not mastered this foreign language. Our own locals may have better english then them but still make grammatical mistakes and still confuse with gender, his-her, typical of chinese/malay which does not have gender in their verbs because 你 or “dia” is used for both genders.
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I mean .. what he's saying is exactly what you said though. Enough to be at conversational level, but not at professional level. I don't think that's unbelievable. Certainly there's no way someone who only studied till Standard 6 English can converse professionally in it, so I don't see why it'd be different for Mandarin.

On the aptitude and willingness - sure but that's applies for anything, so I think it's a moot point. The fact you're "forced" to study Mandarin for SPM or just being in environment where people speak Mandarin will simply improve your Mandarin ability.
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How about BM. Then Pak rebai will use you as example of forgoing BM for other languages
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SPM BM got A

But speaking wise not as fluent cause SMJK, I think I got 4 malay friends only. Whole school about 95% chinese.
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:03 PM)
Private or international school bad ROI

Best combo is srjkc and smk(chinese), or

srjkc then famous english school (eg St joseph, St xavier)

For pre-U, go for STPM or Matriculasi.

Invest those money in good divident stocks for university
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I'll be very frank - expensive schools often have bad ROI. In all honesty, if you're going to judge a school based on ROI value, you'll never ever be satisfied. It's something like splurging on a LV or Rolex. High-quality, but in the end they provide the same function.

The cost to study in US these days, especially a private university say UPenn would be +- RM1m. The cost of study international school would be what? RM50-100k a year depending on which school you go.

The truth is, it's a diminishing return. You pay a lot, but you gain only very little. It's what you can make of it in the end.

You gain exposure to different cultures and people/connections that is simply not quantifiable.

So stop looking at things from ROI perspective, and go only 1) if you can afford to "lose" that sum of money 2) expose your kids to a unique environment

Many folks can afford to send their kids to private schools / study overseas, but not all of them can accept their kids potentially getting nothing or barely anything out of it. What separates these two kind of folks is simply whether you're actually rich, or you're just enough rich.

TLDR - Private/International school is a luxury

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not international school is good

but gov school suck pro max plus

you go pasar borong, their people bahasa kotor pro max ultra plus, you join them you will behave like them

study in gov school, if unlucky, whole life also gone


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Send smk school teach math science ence in English, and extra chinese subject too. No money dont act like got money die die must send to private school.
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QUOTE(trojandude @ Mar 8 2023, 11:59 PM)
I'll be very frank - expensive schools often have bad ROI. In all honesty, if you're going to judge a school based on ROI value, you'll never ever be satisfied. It's something like splurging on a LV or Rolex. High-quality, but in the end they provide the same function.

The cost to study in US these days, especially a private university say UPenn would be +- RM1m. The cost of study international school would be what? RM50-100k a year depending on which school you go.

The truth is, it's a diminishing return. You pay a lot, but you gain only very little. It's what you can make of it in the end.

You gain exposure to different cultures and people/connections that is simply not quantifiable.

So stop looking at things from ROI perspective, and go only 1) if you can afford to "lose" that sum of money 2) expose your kids to a unique environment

Many folks can afford to send their kids to private schools / study overseas, but not all of them can accept their kids potentially getting nothing or barely anything out of it. What separates these two kind of folks is simply whether you're actually rich, or you're just enough rich.

TLDR - Private/International school is a luxury
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Yeah but imagine go back kampung flaunting kid going to international school end up in some arts course hippie ....neighbour kid study stpm end up becoming brain surgeon

Luxury yes.. but know when and who to flaunt to... Don't flaunt then malu sendiri.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Mar 9 2023, 12:13 AM)
Yeah but imagine go back kampung flaunting kid going to international school end up in some arts course hippie ....neighbour kid study stpm end up becoming brain surgeon

Luxury yes.. but know when and who to flaunt to... Don't flaunt then malu sendiri.
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Other than those "old school" private school such as Cempaka or SriKL subang, many new international schools are actually not up to par, and mostly just business oriented. Meaning, they treat students like clients, then actually treating them like students. Some international schools even operated in shoplots...

So unless can enter proper international schools, better to just go to a real school, sk, srjk, smk, smjkc and independent school.
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QUOTE(trojandude @ Mar 8 2023, 11:59 PM)
I'll be very frank - expensive schools often have bad ROI. In all honesty, if you're going to judge a school based on ROI value, you'll never ever be satisfied. It's something like splurging on a LV or Rolex. High-quality, but in the end they provide the same function.

The cost to study in US these days, especially a private university say UPenn would be +- RM1m. The cost of study international school would be what? RM50-100k a year depending on which school you go.

The truth is, it's a diminishing return. You pay a lot, but you gain only very little. It's what you can make of it in the end.

You gain exposure to different cultures and people/connections that is simply not quantifiable.

So stop looking at things from ROI perspective, and go only 1) if you can afford to "lose" that sum of money 2) expose your kids to a unique environment

Many folks can afford to send their kids to private schools / study overseas, but not all of them can accept their kids potentially getting nothing or barely anything out of it. What separates these two kind of folks is simply whether you're actually rich, or you're just enough rich.

TLDR - Private/International school is a luxury
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Basically this ^

Having a few friends as teachers in international schools, they have nothing good to say.

International school is like a placebo effect to some who believe that international school is the best place to be.

Probably the only good thing a student will gain is the connection with other wealthy kids and basically that's it.

The rest is up to parents upbringing and whether they spend time with their children. If a child is lazy, an international school will not transform that student into some superstar A student.

Examples of some real issues below:

There are also some 'ahbengs' in international school who stubbornly speak Mandarin everyday among their own cliques despite the 'English only' policy in school.

Another case was one particular student who complained to the HOD about having to write essays as homework. To please the student, the teacher was then called in the HOD room and the HOD instructed the teacher to stop giving essay as homework to the entire class.

Several students continuously coming late to school (guess who fetch them late? Their own parents and they don't even bother). The school called the parents to remind them not to fetch their kids late to school and yet they don't bother.


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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Aiyoh our time we also finish our school from smk wat.. now also grow up and earn a living wat.. what the diff? I feel sent to intl school waste of money better keep the money for better uni in future.. in the end cari kerja go interview as for degree not which secondary school you come from mah...😢😢
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Nowadays grab driver also sent their kids to international school. He so proud to tell me. I didn't ask how he afford it. I think it's more expensive than private school.
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A lot of private/int school kids are dumb spoiled strawberries one. Not made of tougher stuffs like ppl in the old days. Tokok alot, lazy and immature. Very rare to find humble clever ones in the workforce.
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just teach ur kid esport from young then become esport player / streamer / youtuber
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 9 2023, 01:59 AM)
Basically this ^

Having a few friends as teachers in international schools, they have nothing good to say.

International school is like a placebo effect to some who believe that international school is the best place to be.

Probably the only good thing a student will gain is the connection with other wealthy kids and basically that's it.

The rest is up to parents upbringing and whether they spend time with their children. If a child is lazy, an international school will not transform that student into some superstar A student.

Examples of some real issues below:

There are also some 'ahbengs' in international school who stubbornly speak Mandarin everyday among their own cliques despite the 'English only' policy in school.

Another case was one particular student who complained to the HOD about having to write essays as homework. To please the student, the teacher was then called in the HOD room and the HOD instructed the teacher to stop giving essay as homework to the entire class.

Several students continuously coming late to school (guess who fetch them late? Their own parents and they don't even bother). The school called the parents to remind them not to fetch their kids late to school and yet they don't bother.
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I wish the Missionary Schools were retained with English as their medium of instruction and other English medium schools as well. Why did those old farts had to mess up the excellent education system we had back in the days
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No need to say now la.. for me, from even 15 years ago, I was determined that if I ever had children, they all will go to International school
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Syllabus made all the different. Take a look at IGCSE history textbook, then u would understand why international school is preferred.

Besides, IS allow students to speak up. Government school still having mindset of listen x7. Well, student to teacher ratio might indirectly caused this.

If can affordable, SJKC + IS is the way forward.
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Since private/ international schools ever gives better education, kek.

From all my experience with friends, colleagues and other networks, all their kids end up being braindead lazy ass - the irony from what others was ingrained with.

Its simple, as these schools are just for the kids to lay back and do what they like without the suffering and oppression that is needed for anyone to develop into strong minded people.
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:03 PM)
Private or international school bad ROI

Best combo is srjkc and smk(chinese), or

srjkc then famous english school (eg St joseph, St xavier)

For pre-U, go for STPM or Matriculasi.

Invest those money in good divident stocks for university
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private school is good ROI, if children go to singapore or overseas to work.
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Since private/ international schools ever gives better education, kek.

From all my experience with friends, colleagues and other networks, all their kids end up being braindead lazy ass - the irony from what others was ingrained with.

Its simple, as these schools are just for the kids to lay back and do what they like without the suffering and oppression that is needed for anyone to develop into strong minded people.
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Don't know if they are really that good.

I heard IGGSE sort of designed from Swedish style education, no homework one, more empowerment to allow children to make more critique decisions. The jury is still out there, whether if they can perform as well in the real corporate world.

I have worked with some british guys, they very good in accentuating themselves, but work quality the verdict is still out there.
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I wish the Missionary Schools were retained with English as their medium of instruction and other English medium schools as well. Why did those old farts had to mess up the excellent education system we had back in the days
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i came from a missionary school, it was one of the nation's best.

and u know what ?

after gomen took over, they ruined it !!!

they brought in many teachers of their out of the missionary school HR recruitment.

the teachers were of questionable qualities, often ponteng classes, My class monitor even caught one or two sleeping in the teacher;s room when they were supposed to deliver lessons.

the good ones were retiring one by one, or requested to transfer to other schools.

when my missionary school was turned into a full blown sekolah kebangsaan, that's when my nightmare started.

to make matters worse, they were transfering truant students from other states to my school. A few students that got kicked out of RMC and other boarding schools for sleeping, selling cigarettes, ragging and bullying came to my classroom. It turned my class into a circus.

Teachers were scared to come to my class, because we had many gangsters. After school, they would regroup and go to jinjang to fight.

This is why I have doubts to want to send my kids to SK.
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In many cases, it is not a choice. Either get some education or none. Especially this past pandemic.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 08:40 AM)
Don't know if they are really that good.

I heard IGGSE sort of designed from Swedish style education, no homework one, more empowerment to allow children to make more critique decisions. The jury is still out there, whether if they can perform as well in the real corporate world.

I have worked with some british guys, they very good in accentuating themselves, but work quality the verdict is still out there.
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You do know that our primary schools including SRJKC are going towards no homework too. There are already some SRJKC that is doing it today. Exams already abolished for standard 1 to 3 and UPSR is no more too.


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Kesian... investor PR $10M nia .. why so difficult ?


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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Mar 9 2023, 09:35 AM)
Since private/ international schools ever gives better education, kek.

From all my experience with friends, colleagues and other networks, all their kids end up being braindead lazy ass - the irony from what others was ingrained with.

Its simple, as these schools are just for the kids to lay back and do what they like without the suffering and oppression that is needed for anyone to develop into strong minded people.
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Yup

Notice this too

Kids from national school is way more competitive and adaptable to challenging environment

Whereas kids from private&international school seem more lazy, entitled and expect employers/landlord to cater to them
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Those private institutions are meant for the kids portfolio in future only

Pandai or bodoh that's the next outcome the parents need to bear

Inb4 kid's fees > parents income
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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It’s not about migration. It’s about the best choice of education today.

There is a difference between private or international schools. International schools tends to be more expensive if they are the reputable ones. Private schools are more cheaper but some are just operating from shop lots. However, the syllabus are usually the same as IGCSE seems to be the most popular one unless they follow US system which some international school does but I believe most private or international schools follow IGCSE.

Why go to such schools and not SRJKC or SRK? SRK problem, I think no need to write here everyone already know. The problem extends to most SK today except for some sekolah cemerlang. The old reputable SK like VI, St. John, etc. are no longer the best anymore as they are now not much different from any SK.

As for reasons why parents are opting out from SRJKC, the main reason is overcrowding. Today most classes have 40 to more than 50 kids. The problem of SRJKC since the beginning is either you swim or sink. If your child are not those who can follow their style of teaching, they will be left behind and today it is worse as the classes are too big for the teachers to teach and ensure every kid understand. A lot of parents are also beginning to understand that having tons of homework might not be suitable for their kids as it makes them hate learning and they are not really learning anything real.

It is the same with Chinese secondary independent schools. Most parents know their kids won’t do well in such schools by standards 6 if they barely survive SRJKC. There’s no point sending them to such schools knowing they will only sink further. So the other choice is SK which have tons of problems today.

So, parents are beginning to send their kids to private or international school today as they are providing the ONLY best choice available especially in Klang Valley. Some are even sending their children to primary international or private schools because they want them to get themselves familiar with a system only
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U know what CCA we got in SMK ? Is called ponteng sekolah, venue for the activities is at CC / mamak / kopitiam / someone's house
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hahahaha.... those were the days

during my time during ponteng we go roaming around the town, bring extra shirt just for that


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It’s not about migration. It’s about the best choice of education today.

There is a difference between private or international schools. International schools tends to be more expensive if they are the reputable ones. Private schools are more cheaper but some are just operating from shop lots. However, the syllabus are usually the same as IGCSE seems to be the most popular one unless they follow US system which some international school does but I believe most private or international schools follow IGCSE.


Why go to such schools and not SRJKC or SRK? SRK problem, I think no need to write here everyone already know. The problem extends to most SK today except for some sekolah cemerlang. The old reputable SK like VI, St. John, etc. are no longer the best anymore as they are now not much different from any SK.

As for reasons why parents are opting out from SRJKC, the main reason is overcrowding. Today most classes have 40 to more than 50 kids. The problem of SRJKC since the beginning is either you swim or sink. If your child are not those who can follow their style of teaching, they will be left behind and today it is worse as the classes are too big for the teachers to teach and ensure every kid understand. A lot of parents are also beginning to understand that having tons of homework might not be suitable for their kids as it makes them hate learning and they are not really learning anything real.

It is the same with Chinese secondary independent schools. Most parents know their kids won’t do well in such schools by standards 6 if they barely survive SRJKC. There’s no point sending them to such schools knowing they will only sink further. So the other choice is SK which have tons of problems today.

So, parents are beginning to send their kids to private or international school today as they are providing the ONLY best choice available especially in Klang Valley. Some are even sending their children to primary international or private schools because they want them to get themselves familiar with a system only
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I am one of the parent who did that.

two years in srk, thought wanna give them a chance, but nope, nope, seeing how the whole system works, since I got a better choice, why not?


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I am one of the parent who did that.

two years in srk, thought wanna give them a chance, but nope, nope, seeing how the whole system works, since I got a better choice, why not?
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So you send to private or international?
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:56 AM)
So you send to private or international?
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Private.

taking igcse btw. kids behave a bit better, class consist of 15 kids or less. no extra co curiculum after class.

no tution throughout the school years

still ok till now.

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Private.

taking igcse btw. kids behave a bit better, class consist of 15 kids or less. no extra co curiculum after class.

no tution throughout the school years

still ok till now.
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That is what I was told. IGCSE is more suitable for kids than our national syllabus

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That is what I was told. IGCSE is more suitable for kids than our national syllabus
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TBH, IGCSE is simpler than the current SPM syllibus

and the school didnt force the students to take the subjects, like our time at sekolah menengah, if you in Sci class you need to take the whole package, if you have interest in Economics or Art class there is no way you can take the classes.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:16 AM)
TBH, IGCSE is simpler than the current SPM syllibus

and the school didnt force the students to take the subjects, like our time at sekolah menengah,  if you in Sci class you need to take the whole package, if you have interest in Economics or Art class there is no way you can take the classes.
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I think that’s why kids love the syllabus more as it give them more flexibility
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I think that’s why kids love the syllabus more as it give them more flexibility
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love, maybe not at all, but much more enjoyable learning process, which in return shaped their mind and perspective in different way, positively I hope.

some parents asked me last time how come dont send to tution, I said what for, they already got adequate lesson at school, why must force them additional class ? u think ur kid is a robot or what? studying from morning till night. no life is it?
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:16 AM)
TBH, IGCSE is simpler than the current SPM syllibus
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This point interests me, because I keep hearing comments about how "Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has been watered down", and I am actually wondering how true that statement really is.

I have been exposed to both the SPM and Cambridge GCE syllabuses before, having done my secondary school both in Malaysia and Singapore in the early-1990's:
1. I took Malaysia's Matematik Tambahan and Singapore's Additional Mathematics textbooks and past year papers (i.e. SPM vs. GCE 'O' Levels), and laid them side-by-side. The syllabus was almost exactly the same.
2. SPM Biology required students to study most of the bones in the human body. Singapore's G.C.E 'O' Level Biology covered only four (4) bones on the arm.
(I am aware that G.C.E. and IGCSE are not the same thing, but I am guessing that they should be at least comparable in standard.)

Does anyone have any concrete data and information to support or debunk the claim that Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has really been watered down, at least for Mathematics and Sciences? Note that I am referring to the syllabus content and level of difficulty, not the marking scheme (which is another big topic for debate) or the quality of teaching (which is highly-dependent on individual schools and teachers).


QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:09 PM)
The best combo is sjkc and SMK©. Good balance of bahasa, english and chinese till SPM. And most students will speak in English and Mandarin in school too. Having good SPM BM will also increase the chance of entering matriculasi and stpm which will enable one to enter critical courses such as medicine and dentistry in Public unis, saving even more money.

Comparing to Chinese independent schools, students usually will be good in Mandarin, but weak in English and BM. Even with SPM BM, entering public uni will be very difficult.
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I agree with the first part about the optimum combination being SJK©+SMJK©. When I was doing my senior high school in Singapore, one of my schoolmates was ex-Catholic High School PJ. He was winning Chinese essay awards, trouncing his Singaporean classmates, and his English was strong enough to keep up with the Singapore standards.

QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:43 AM)
As for reasons why parents are opting out from SRJKC, the main reason is overcrowding. Today most classes have 40 to more than 50 kids.
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On that basis, I personally believe that more SMJK©'s are required to meet the high demand (I saw two newspaper articles about Catholic High School appealing for a branch school to be established, as it is the only SMJK© in the whole of Petaling Jaya, and has to turn away a large number of applicants).

Per my above point, if it can be established that the national secondary school syllabus - again, purely in terms of content and level of difficulty - is not inferior to IGCSE and its equivalents - then to me, we can and should start by leveraging from the standard of teaching and execution by the good SMJK©'s. Taking a leaf from my senior high school experience in Singapore in the 1990's: Regardless of school, the syllabus is the same, and not so different from Malaysia (like I said, the same Additional Mathematics syllabus was taught on both sides of the Causeway). The reason why the standards in Singapore were much more consistent nationally, and generally higher than that of Malaysia, lay in the quality of execution. The teachers were dedicated and focussed. They spurred and inspired the students to try harder.

Outside of classes, extra-curricular activities were better-emphasised and executed. Let me put it this way: It's not as if the ECAs that I experienced in Singapore were far different from Malaysia. They have Scouts and Cadets in Singapore, but hey, so do we in Malaysia! But in Singapore, they really make uniformed groups a part of student lifestyle and pride.

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You do know that our primary schools including SRJKC are going towards no homework too. There are already some SRJKC that is doing it today. Exams already abolished for standard 1 to 3 and UPSR is no more too.
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How to learn mandarin without homework?

Mandarin is a memorizing language and need a lot of practicing.

My friend migrated to Oz, hantar his daughter to take additional mandarin subject in secondary school in Oz, the mandarin so half past six
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 9 2023, 09:19 AM)
Yup

Notice this too

Kids from national school is way more competitive and adaptable to challenging environment

Whereas kids from private&international school seem more lazy, entitled and expect employers/landlord to cater to them
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Lmao sohai look at the rare successful national school kids and compare with unsuccessful international/private school kids.

Those matgian/rempits/ahbengs from national school is more competitive meh? Those top A Levels and internationally recognized kids from international schools more lazy meh?

That's why our national school syllabus is dumb because the results is people like you lol.
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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:44 AM)
This point interests me, because I keep hearing comments about how "Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has been watered down", and I am actually wondering how true that statement really is.

I have been exposed to both the SPM and Cambridge GCE syllabuses before, having done my secondary school both in Malaysia and Singapore in the early-1990's:
1. I took Malaysia's Matematik Tambahan and Singapore's Additional Mathematics textbooks and past year papers (i.e. SPM vs. GCE 'O' Levels), and laid them side-by-side. The syllabus was almost exactly the same.
2. SPM Biology required students to study most of the bones in the human body. Singapore's G.C.E 'O' Level Biology covered only four (4) bones on the arm.
(I am aware that G.C.E. and IGCSE are not the same thing, but I am guessing that they should be at least comparable in standard.)

Does anyone have any concrete data and information to support or debunk the claim that Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has really been watered down, at least for Mathematics and Sciences? Note that I am referring to the syllabus content and level of difficulty, not the marking scheme (which is another big topic for debate) or the quality of teaching (which is highly-dependent on individual schools and teachers).
I agree with the first part about the optimum combination being SJK©+SKJK©. When I was doing my senior high school in Singapore, one of my schoolmates was ex-Catholic High School PJ. He was winning Chinese essay awards, trouncing his Singaporean classmates, and his English was strong enough to keep up with the Singapore standards.
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I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 9 2023, 09:19 AM)
Yup

Notice this too

Kids from national school is way more competitive and adaptable to challenging environment

Whereas kids from private&international school seem more lazy, entitled and expect employers/landlord to cater to them

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Mar 9 2023, 10:55 AM)
Lmao sohai look at the rare successful national school kids and compare with unsuccessful international/private school kids.

Those matgian/rempits/ahbengs from national school is more competitive meh? Those top A Levels and internationally recognized kids from international schools more lazy meh?

That's why our national school syllabus is dumb because the results is people like you lol.
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WHOA! Where you get your stat from bro max_cavalera ?
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WHOA! Where you get your stat from bro max_cavalera ?
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Encountered some when interviewing them looking for employment.

Some looking for house/room rentals.


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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 10:49 AM)
How to learn mandarin without homework?

Mandarin is a memorizing language and need a lot of practicing.

My friend migrated to Oz, hantar his daughter to take additional mandarin subject in secondary school in Oz, the mandarin so half past six
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Talk btw family, read chinese paper, chinese manga(doraemon/journet to west for kids), watch ccp propaganda/chinese show.

I srjk c and always dont do homework one , fk writing, google pinyin ftw
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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:44 AM)
This point interests me, because I keep hearing comments about how "Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has been watered down", and I am actually wondering how true that statement really is.

I have been exposed to both the SPM and Cambridge GCE syllabuses before, having done my secondary school both in Malaysia and Singapore in the early-1990's:
1. I took Malaysia's Matematik Tambahan and Singapore's Additional Mathematics textbooks and past year papers (i.e. SPM vs. GCE 'O' Levels), and laid them side-by-side. The syllabus was almost exactly the same.
2. SPM Biology required students to study most of the bones in the human body. Singapore's G.C.E 'O' Level Biology covered only four (4) bones on the arm.
(I am aware that G.C.E. and IGCSE are not the same thing, but I am guessing that they should be at least comparable in standard.)

Does anyone have any concrete data and information to support or debunk the claim that Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has really been watered down, at least for Mathematics and Sciences? Note that I am referring to the syllabus content and level of difficulty, not the marking scheme (which is another big topic for debate) or the quality of teaching (which is highly-dependent on individual schools and teachers).
I agree with the first part about the optimum combination being SJK©+SMJK©. When I was doing my senior high school in Singapore, one of my schoolmates was ex-Catholic High School PJ. He was winning Chinese essay awards, trouncing his Singaporean classmates, and his English was strong enough to keep up with the Singapore standards.

On that basis, I personally believe that more SMJK©'s are required to meet the high demand (I saw two newspaper articles about Catholic High School appealing for a branch school to be established, as it is the only SMJK© in the whole of Petaling Jaya, and has to turn away a large number of applicants).
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Informal data told to me

My friend a PhD holder work as private tutor for secondary school physics. He said spm syllabus is tougher than International school (he did not quote which international syallbus, but surely not UEC). however, he said international student tends to be more creative when they are approaching the question, vs SPM holder are straight to the answer with no bullshit.

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Encountered some when interviewing them looking for employment.

Some looking for house/room rentals.
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Just as I expected lor. You are comparing the lower band of international/private school kids (people that fail to migrate) vs the higher band of national schools (people that actually manage to graduate from uni).


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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:16 AM)
TBH, IGCSE is simpler than the current SPM syllibus

and the school didnt force the students to take the subjects, like our time at sekolah menengah,  if you in Sci class you need to take the whole package, if you have interest in Economics or Art class there is no way you can take the classes.
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Initially I enrolled my kids to SRJKC.

Math was great, English and BM..... kids gave the correct answers, will be marked wrong. I don't need to mention further. Text book and work book, like new.

Switch to private, best decision ever. Then high school they managed to get into a reputable intl school. Thanks God.
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QUOTE(ze2 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:11 AM)
Initially I enrolled my kids to SRJKC.

Math was great, English and BM..... kids gave the correct answers, will be marked wrong. I don't need to mention further. Text book and work book, like new.

Switch to private, best decision ever. Then high school they managed to get into a reputable intl school. Thanks God.
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Did u go meet the teacher and demand the explanation over the matter?

I did met with the teacher several times due to some issues, and they was like... the attitude ranting.gif .
that one incident that was the last straw-next day I came to the HM office and told them wanna transfer school and asked for surat berhenti sekolah and the whole files.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:43 AM)
It’s not about migration. It’s about the best choice of education today.

There is a difference between private or international schools. International schools tends to be more expensive if they are the reputable ones. Private schools are more cheaper but some are just operating from shop lots. However, the syllabus are usually the same as IGCSE seems to be the most popular one unless they follow US system which some international school does but I believe most private or international schools follow IGCSE.

Why go to such schools and not SRJKC or SRK? SRK problem, I think no need to write here everyone already know. The problem extends to most SK today except for some sekolah cemerlang. The old reputable SK like VI, St. John, etc. are no longer the best anymore as they are now not much different from any SK.

As for reasons why parents are opting out from SRJKC, the main reason is overcrowding. Today most classes have 40 to more than 50 kids. The problem of SRJKC since the beginning is either you swim or sink. If your child are not those who can follow their style of teaching, they will be left behind and today it is worse as the classes are too big for the teachers to teach and ensure every kid understand. A lot of parents are also beginning to understand that having tons of homework might not be suitable for their kids as it makes them hate learning and they are not really learning anything real.

It is the same with Chinese secondary independent schools. Most parents know their kids won’t do well in such schools by standards 6 if they barely survive SRJKC. There’s no point sending them to such schools knowing they will only sink further. So the other choice is SK which have tons of problems today.

So, parents are beginning to send their kids to private or international school today as they are providing the ONLY best choice available especially in Klang Valley. Some are even sending their children to primary international or private schools because they want them to get themselves familiar with a system only
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I think independent school work load is high because some parents insist on their kid to go through the dual UEC/SPM study. Maybe they want a fallback plan, in case their kid can't pass UEC.

IGSCE is high risk. I mean what if they decided to stay here? what kind of jobs can they take up here? ROI would be too low, imagine the amt invested in the education and graduate pay = 3k. Then would local employers recognize these graduates? Then again is not as if nons have high recruitment opportunities at GLCs and Gomen depts. But as u can see MNCs are dwindling in this country, leaving china man companies and other SMEs as other employment opportunities.

True, true overcrowding is a big issue at SRJKC. Even at independent schools per class is at 30-40. but for those who can't afford international schools, what can they do? We don't really have much choices out there. The SRK and SMK standards are dwindling, and the Dual language streams are hanging on to dear life to survive. Fewer schools are offering the dual learning program.

Independent school fees vary from 200k/100k per annum the top schools like British International school to 45k/annum Methodist college, the lower rank ones 20k like Star schools.

As for the 20k/ schools, their facilities are too small. No alumni. What if 10 years after graduation, these new and small schools can they survive? for me after many years I still keep in touch with my ex school mates. Can't imagine, if your school bungkus, then it feels strange to have no watsapp or group of ex school mate friends.


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QUOTE(ze2 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:11 AM)
Initially I enrolled my kids to SRJKC.

Math was great, English and BM..... kids gave the correct answers, will be marked wrong. I don't need to mention further. Text book and work book, like new.

Switch to private, best decision ever. Then high school they managed to get into a reputable intl school. Thanks God.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 11:16 AM)
Did u go meet the teacher and demand the explanation over the matter?

I did met with the teacher several times due to some issues, and they was like... the attitude  ranting.gif .
that one incident that was the last straw-next day I came to the HM office and told them wanna transfer school and asked for surat berhenti sekolah and the whole files.
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That is precisely what I mean. The problem is not because the standard of the SRJK© syllabus and content is low, it's actually quite high. The problem is the effectiveness in execution and the quality of the teachers.

If we took the same syllabus content and level of difficulty, and improved the following:
1. Textbooks and Activity Books
2. Teaching quality and effectiveness
would it change the picture?

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That is precisely what I mean. The problem is not because the standard of the SRJK© syllabus and content is low, it's actually quite high. The problem is the effectiveness in execution and the quality of the teachers.

If we took the same syllabus content and level of difficulty, and improved the following:
1. Textbooks and Activity Books
2. Teaching quality and effectiveness
would it change the picture?
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Are SRJKC teachers better than those in SRK ?

I known personally some SRJKC teachers, they are quite dedicated and care about their students.

But I never attended SRJKC before.

Whereas my experience at SRK and SMK was horrific. I have had horrible teachers, their delivery of teaching was horrible. We weren't afforded the personal attention and some teachers ponteng.
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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:23 AM)
That is precisely what I mean. The problem is not because the standard of the SRJK© syllabus and content is low, it's actually quite high. The problem is the effectiveness in execution and the quality of the teachers.

If we took the same syllabus content and level of difficulty, and improved the following:
1. Textbooks and Activity Books
2. Teaching quality and effectiveness
would it change the picture?


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During my school days I have met with several dedicated teachers which some of them, I still keep in touch

their passion, dedication, I can safely say I dont meet these kind of great teachers anymore these days

cant blame the current teachers too, they are kinda forced to do so many clerical things .

dunno lah, perhaps need the Great Reset to revamp the whole education system.


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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:44 AM)
This point interests me, because I keep hearing comments about how "Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has been watered down", and I am actually wondering how true that statement really is.

I have been exposed to both the SPM and Cambridge GCE syllabuses before, having done my secondary school both in Malaysia and Singapore in the early-1990's:
1. I took Malaysia's Matematik Tambahan and Singapore's Additional Mathematics textbooks and past year papers (i.e. SPM vs. GCE 'O' Levels), and laid them side-by-side. The syllabus was almost exactly the same.
2. SPM Biology required students to study most of the bones in the human body. Singapore's G.C.E 'O' Level Biology covered only four (4) bones on the arm.
(I am aware that G.C.E. and IGCSE are not the same thing, but I am guessing that they should be at least comparable in standard.)

Does anyone have any concrete data and information to support or debunk the claim that Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has really been watered down, at least for Mathematics and Sciences? Note that I am referring to the syllabus content and level of difficulty, not the marking scheme (which is another big topic for debate) or the quality of teaching (which is highly-dependent on individual schools and teachers).
I agree with the first part about the optimum combination being SJK©+SMJK©. When I was doing my senior high school in Singapore, one of my schoolmates was ex-Catholic High School PJ. He was winning Chinese essay awards, trouncing his Singaporean classmates, and his English was strong enough to keep up with the Singapore standards.
On that basis, I personally believe that more SMJK©'s are required to meet the high demand (I saw two newspaper articles about Catholic High School appealing for a branch school to be established, as it is the only SMJK© in the whole of Petaling Jaya, and has to turn away a large number of applicants).

Per my above point, if it can be established that the national secondary school syllabus - again, purely in terms of content and level of difficulty - is not inferior to IGCSE and its equivalents - then to me, we can and should start by leveraging from the standard of teaching and execution by the good SMJK©'s. Taking a leaf from my senior high school experience in Singapore in the 1990's: Regardless of school, the syllabus is the same, and not so different from Malaysia (like I said, the same Additional Mathematics syllabus was taught on both sides of the Causeway). The reason why the standards in Singapore were much more consistent nationally, and generally higher than that of Malaysia, lay in the quality of execution. The teachers were dedicated and focussed. They spurred and inspired the students to try harder.

Outside of classes, extra-curricular activities were better-emphasised and executed. Let me put it this way: It's not as if the ECAs that I experienced in Singapore were far different from Malaysia. They have Scouts and Cadets in Singapore, but hey, so do we in Malaysia! But in Singapore, they really make uniformed groups a part of student lifestyle and pride.
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Your comparison is wrong in context of syllabus within the same timeframe.
It is better to make comparison of the education syllabus within each decade.

In my case, I am the early adopter of PMR (which now already abolished). Prior to preparation of PMR, I have been doing alot of past year exam paper like LCE & SRP. No kidding I have very hard time going thru LCE exam questions coz some of the questions is taught in pure science & pure math level (which at that time only form 4 & form 5 subjects being teach).

Then came SPM, I look into MCE paper again. Same thing happen.

When I went for F6, this is where I really respect the teacher which went thru MCE qualification coz they really know the subject stuff they teaching. Unfortunately within 1.5years, one by one they retired.

Even during my time in F6, the teacher standard is already bad. There was a new grad maths (degree I assumed) teacher being assigned to my class (as the usual teacher being on sick leave for few months) only able to last 1 day. She kena shot 'kau kau' by one of my class ACE student for teaching us wrong stuff.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 11:16 AM)
Did u go meet the teacher and demand the explanation over the matter?

I did met with the teacher several times due to some issues, and they was like... the attitude  ranting.gif .
that one incident that was the last straw-next day I came to the HM office and told them wanna transfer school and asked for surat berhenti sekolah and the whole files.
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Did that, went to headmaster and even to MP. At the discretion of Moe la.

Dem frustrated. Kids always believed teachers were right. No need to say further, later kena kecam.

Some people thinks we purposely wanted to send kids to private and intl schools ? Those without kid, or those never check their homework or exam papers, take a step back and check. This is the reality.
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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:23 AM)
That is precisely what I mean. The problem is not because the standard of the SRJK© syllabus and content is low, it's actually quite high. The problem is the effectiveness in execution and the quality of the teachers.

If we took the same syllabus content and level of difficulty, and improved the following:
1. Textbooks and Activity Books
2. Teaching quality and effectiveness
would it change the picture?
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Oh ya, I even went and confronted both the teachers. Fucking yelled at them. I am not sure it was the quality or it was on purpose ? She speaks really good English when I raised the issue. The BM teacher is really trash.
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QUOTE(ze2 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:31 AM)
Did that, went to headmaster and even to MP. At the discretion of Moe la.

Dem frustrated. Kids always believed teachers were right. No need to say further, later kena kecam.

Some people thinks we purposely wanted to send kids to private and intl schools ? Those without kid, or those never check their homework or exam papers, take a step back and check. This is the reality.
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I hate dealing with em Little Napoleons. As if we parents are kinda nuicense to them.

as long we can work hard, got better choice, just do it lah haih. I dont want to kena oppressed by them.

kids always believed teachers were right - correct.

until they found google and showed to the Teacher, and the Teacher reprimand the kid in front of the class. that's what happened back then.

Teacher was wrong but die die wanna taichi. I told her if you were wrong just admit and move on lah, but nopeee, she made things worse and start doing shits doing the class. Imagine a Teacher indirectly bullying her own students.

suffice to say, after the whole incident I lost my trust on the whole system.

I did get back to the Teacher btw. in quite a subtle yet unpleasant way. last I check she no longer teaching in the gomen.

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Are SRJKC teachers better than those in SRK ?

I known personally some SRJKC teachers, they are quite dedicated and care about their students.

But I never attended SRJKC before.

Whereas my experience at SRK and SMK was horrific. I have had horrible teachers, their delivery of teaching was horrible. We weren't afforded the personal attention and some teachers ponteng.
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It is getting harder and harder for them to be dedicated and care about their students. How to care when there are 40 to 50 kids in a class?

Our teachers including those from SRJKC are also burdened with administrative jobs. I know some SRJKC teachers who have to log in late at night or weekend to do administrative work and submissions because our government systems are damn lousy.

Some of them left teaching and went into giving full tuition instead as they said it is more satisfying to teach students one by one of smaller class as they can really monitor their weaknesses. They said teaching tuition you can really see the student progress while teaching in school, you don't really know whether they understand or not. Furthermore, no stupid administrative work to do.

The new system of abolishing exams in Standard 1 to 3 are making it worse as teachers need to assess each and every student and they can't do a good job in assessing when they don't even have time to focus on teaching. Our syllabus is on par with other countries but our execution is the biggest problem since the 90's.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:19 AM)
I think independent school work load is high because some parents insist on their kid to go through the dual UEC/SPM study. Maybe they want a fallback plan, in case their kid can't pass UEC.

IGSCE is high risk. I mean what if they decided to stay here? what kind of jobs can they take up here? ROI would be too low, imagine the amt invested in the education and graduate pay = 3k. Then would local employers recognize these graduates? Then again is not as if nons have high recruitment opportunities at GLCs and Gomen depts. But as u can see MNCs are dwindling in this country, leaving china man companies and other SMEs as other employment opportunities.

True, true overcrowding is a big issue at SRJKC. Even at independent schools per class is at 30-40. but for those who can't afford international schools, what can they do? We don't really have much choices out there. The SRK and SMK standards are dwindling, and the Dual language streams are hanging on to dear life to survive.  Fewer schools are offering the dual learning program.

Independent school fees vary from 200k/100k per annum the top schools like British International school to 45k/annum Methodist college, the lower rank ones 20k like Star schools.

As for the 20k/ schools, their facilities are too small. No alumni. What if 10 years after graduation, these new and small schools can they survive? for me after many years I still keep in touch with my ex school mates. Can't imagine, if your school bungkus, then it feels strange to have no watsapp or group of ex school mate friends.
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Why is IGCSE hight risk? It is just a qualification to enter U. It is no difference from SPM, STPM, UEC, etc. IGCSE is equivalent to O-Levels and is accepted as a qualifications to enter U. Most non-Malays today do not harbour any dreams of entering local U. Employers whether MNCs or local companies don't care about your secondary school qualifications. They will only look at your higher education qualification. Basically your degree unless you want to enter government service.

Even if the school close down, you can still keep in touch with your school mates after graduation. There are so many social media today and nobody keep in touch through schools anymore.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM)
Are SRJKC teachers better than those in SRK ?

I known personally some SRJKC teachers, they are quite dedicated and care about their students.

But I never attended SRJKC before.

Whereas my experience at SRK and SMK was horrific. I have had horrible teachers, their delivery of teaching was horrible. We weren't afforded the personal attention and some teachers ponteng.
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SRK and SMK student here.
My experience?? Primary school, math teacher gone for 2 months. I honestly forgot the reason. No replacement for 2 months. Only a stand in teacher. One that come sit there wtaching us and letting us doing what we want.
Secondary school. Geography teacher one plus month bersalin. No replacement.
And that's not the worse. I still remember clearly. During form 2. Almost 2 months (or is it 3. Can't even remember) no math teacher again. Iirc coz teacher got transferred.

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SRK and SMK student here.
My experience?? Primary school, math teacher gone for 2 months. I honestly forgot the reason. No replacement for 2 months. Only a stand in teacher. One that come sit there wtaching us and letting us doing what we want.
Secondary school. Geography teacher one plus month bersalin. No replacement.
And that's not the worse. I still remember clearly. During form 2. Almost 2 months (or is it 3. Can't even remember) no math teacher again. Iirc coz teacher got transferred.
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It is a normal scenario actually. every single year sure got pregnant one.

and hardly got replacement teacher for that particular subjects
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Mar 9 2023, 11:30 AM)
Your comparison is wrong in context of syllabus within the same timeframe.
It is better to make comparison of the education syllabus within each decade.
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Which is why I asked the previous question, whether it is true that the standard of the SPM syllabus has actually gone down in the past 2-3 decades. And if it has gone down, where does it stand relative to GCE, IGCSE, etc. Again, take teaching quality out of the equation for now, and just appraise the syllabus in itself.

I took my GCE 'O' Levels in Singapore in 1991, the same year my ex-schoolmates in Malaysia took their SPM. I am the penultimate batch before the MoE introduced KBSM, and as we know, much has also changed since then. I was told that the current KBAT syllabus builds in advanced questions, still within the framework of the syllabus, but tests the students' understanding to a deeper level.
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i work in the education sector/field, my company (publishing company) provides lesson content, hosted the servers, organized events like sports day, talent contest; also provide total solution in terms of school management systems, etc. for their schools or affiliated schools (IGCSE)

and why parents opted for these schools is simple really.
eg. MCO happened. SRK, SMK, SK and many international schools all RIP
meanwhile the private school are doing e-learning at home. school/class as usual. cause most of the private schools are using blended learning (e-learning online + classroom tutorial) in their classes, not chalk and talk like the Kebangsaan schools and most international school. and in addition to that, these private schools (eg. like my company's schools) learn coding and robotics at age 10, some of our students graduated with very good knowledge of python and C++/C#. when they graduate, they mostly go overseas to study and never come back. my company school also got affiliated universities in US, UK, CAN, AUS. so parents got money, can send their kids overseas

there are many other reasons why parents opted to send their kids there, and i am just listing a few here
so yeah, parents definitely wanna send them to good private school if they have money. it's a ticket for their future generations out of this sinking ship of a country

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:19 AM)
I think independent school work load is high because some parents insist on their kid to go through the dual UEC/SPM study. Maybe they want a fallback plan, in case their kid can't pass UEC.
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It's not that the parents are insisting on the dual-track UEC/SPM. It's the policy of the specific Chinese Independent High School, particularly the ones in KL - as far as I am aware, it's compulsory at Chong Hwa and Kuen Cheng, and optional at Confucian. The thing is, the UEC takes place in Senior High 3, while SPM takes place in Senior High 2, which means that if the student fails UEC, he/she will only know one (1) year after completing SPM, which means a full year would have been lost.

QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:19 AM)
True, true overcrowding is a big issue at SRJKC. Even at independent schools per class is at 30-40. but for those who can't afford international schools, what can they do? We don't really have much choices out there.
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For this, and for a variety of reasons, I place the blame on the government. Why is it so difficult to grant approval to establish new SJK©'s and SMJK©'s, or establish branch schools for existing ones? As I mentioned in my post above, there was a Chinese newspaper article about Catholic High School - the only SMJK© in the whole of Petaling Jaya - appealing for approval to set up a branch school to accommodate the high demand. Does that not say something about the reputation of SMJK©'s and hence the need to set up more to cater to the educational demands?

QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:19 AM)
...and the Dual language streams are hanging on to dear life to survive.  Fewer schools are offering the dual learning program.
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As far as I am aware, most (if not all) the SMJK©'s continue to steadfastly adhere to the DLP, teaching Mathematics and Science in English. That said, not sure about the other SMJK©'s, but Catholic High School PJ issues a survey form requiring all parents of enrolling students to vote their choice of whether or not they want DLP - I believe it is a requirement to demonstrate a majority vote for each cohort, in order to get approval to maintain the DLP in the school. I really doubt any parent would vote "no".

QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:41 AM)
Our syllabus is on par with other countries but our execution is the biggest problem since the 90's.
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We have an agreement on this point. So, coming full circle, assuming if:
1. There were more SMJK©'s available beyond the current 82
2. All the SMJK©'s are of a good teaching standard (and here I am nodding in the direction of shining stars like Penang's Chung Ling High School, Ipoh's Ave Maria Convent, etc.)
3. The DLP for STEM subjects is implemented in all SMJK©'s without exception
4. Greater transparency in the SPM marking schemes

I wager there would be somewhat less scrambling by parents (especially the Klang Valley ones) for International Schools.

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QUOTE(iEatCuteDogs @ Mar 9 2023, 01:14 PM)
i work in the education sector/field, my company (publishing company) provides lesson content, hosted the servers, organized events like sports day, talent contest; also provide total solution in terms of school management systems, etc. for their schools or affiliated schools (IGCSE)

and why parents opted for these schools is simple really.
eg. MCO happened. SRK, SMK, SK and many international schools all RIP
meanwhile the private school are doing e-learning at home. school/class as usual. cause most of the private schools are using blended learning (e-learning online + classroom tutorial) in their classes, not chalk and talk like the Kebangsaan schools and most international school. and in addition to that, these private schools (eg. like my company's schools) learn coding and robotics at age 10, some of our students graduated with very good knowledge of python and C++/C#. when they graduate, they mostly go overseas to study and never come back. my company school also got affiliated universities in US, UK, CAN, AUS. so parents got money, can send their kids overseas

there are many other reasons why parents opted to send their kids there, and i am just listing a few here
so yeah, parents definitely wanna send them to good private school if they have money. it's a ticket for their future generations out of this sinking ship of a country
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Okay, let me put it this way: If the government schools (SK, SJK©, SJK(T), SMK, SMJK©) subscribed to and implemented some of your company's coding programmes, etc., would you have a different opinion about the country sinking ship? Assuming, of course, that the execution aspect of the current syllabus was improved.

Also, I don't think it is entirely fair to dismiss the traditional chalk-and-talk teaching method (other than perhaps to replace the chalk with marker pens), not everything is necessarily taught more effectively simply because there is an LCD screen and nice interactive videos. Call me old school, but I happen to think that in some instances, multimedia can actually be more of a distraction and reduces student focus, as compared to a physical teacher standing in front of the class, with a book and voice in tow. Yes, Covid and MCO really threw schooling out of whack for the better part of two (2) years, but we should also acknowledge that MCO was a once-off, probably once-in-a-lifetime event (the last such really global pandemic was the 1918 Spanish flu, and we didn't have the Internet back then), where the heavier-than-usual use of e-learning was more of a stop-gap rather than a preferred method of teaching.

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Private schools lah. You get to chose which syllabus you want to follow.

My daughter goes to SJK, my son goes to private.

SJK is tough, after seeing how my daughter slogs through it, doubt my son can handle it. But anyway, private school is better run. As for language, he's taking 3 language subjects, English, Malay and Chinese. Quality of the teachers are different. Method of the teaching is different.

My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 08:38 AM)
private school is good ROI, if children go to singapore or overseas to work.
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Many people working as professionals in Singapore or overseas also from SMK or chinese independent schools.
Nobody cares what kindi, primary or secondary schools you went to.

Quality education is quality education. No need branded.
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QUOTE(df569 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:35 PM)
I am a product of SJKC Lick Hung + SMJK Katholik PJ. Can tell you all the students there, regardless of race, can speak mandarin and english well. Our sciences all are in english and compulsory SPM BC.

We have chinese lesson everyday from Mon to Fri. I have to take lrt for 1hr home since form 1 and it was tough, some days after school heavy rain no choice, by the time I walk until lrt station already wet. But I'm grateful that my parents forced me to study mandarin until SPM.
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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220922/%E5%90%...96%87%E5%AD%A6/

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM)
Are SRJKC teachers better than those in SRK ?

I known personally some SRJKC teachers, they are quite dedicated and care about their students.

But I never attended SRJKC before.

Whereas my experience at SRK and SMK was horrific. I have had horrible teachers, their delivery of teaching was horrible. We weren't afforded the personal attention and some teachers ponteng.
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I was lucky to have a teacher who actually cared. Otherwise I would've failed SPM due to BM. Ended up borderline passing.
Gave me several chances and even corrected my words and only noted the correct ones on oral test.

Grateful for her help but this shouldn't be the way imo. Lowers the standard since I'm not deserving of a pass but got it anyway.

But from what I hear our education system has gone down the drain since our time in school. Nobody is looking forward to sending their schools to any govt schools these days. Even those that can't afford it try very hard to earn more so their kids can avoid it.
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I would like to enquire, is Chinese Literature still offered as a subject at Catholic High School? I read this Sin Chew article that they have a very good Chinese Literature teacher there:
https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220922/%E5%90%...96%87%E5%AD%A6/
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Yes still offered.

You are right, I wasn't her student but am from the class next door. She specialises in chinese literature. Very well respected amongst teachers and students as the top chinese teacher in Catholic High. She is also the unit head.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 09:48 AM)
hahahaha.... those were the days

during my time during ponteng we go roaming around the town, bring extra shirt just for that
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 09:50 AM)
I am one of the parent who did that.

two years in srk, thought wanna give them a chance, but nope, nope, seeing how the whole system works, since I got a better choice, why not?
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1 spent my form 1 in an international school, it was hard, everyday class is until 3pm. Till one day i decide i have had enough of it. Did something and got me expelled from that cesspool then rejoin my pig dog friend which i knew from SJKC starting SMK form 2. In a SMK i felt like everyday is "the purge", yeah the freedom to do anything virtually without consequences, especially if you joined the right factions.

QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:58 AM)
I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

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Add math this subject... compulsory we need to ponteng this class.

QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM)
During my school days  I have met with several dedicated teachers which some of them, I still keep in touch

their passion, dedication, I can safely say I dont meet these kind of great teachers anymore these days

cant blame the current teachers too, they are kinda forced to do so many clerical things .

dunno lah, perhaps need the Great Reset to revamp the whole education system.
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To me... They are just tools... tools of the system... of a system where the rules were written by the rich for the rich... their objectives is to nurture your kids to face the "society"... if i ever meet my previous teacher, the first question i m gonna ask them is why you are not allow to teach about the $$. F them if he / she know about that he/she won't be doing that job in the first place!
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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Mar 9 2023, 10:23 PM)
We just wear uniform only, but wear it inside out.
1 spent my form 1 in an international school, it was hard, everyday class is until 3pm. Till one day i decide i have had enough of it. Did something and got me expelled from that cesspool then rejoin my pig dog friend which i knew from SJKC starting SMK form 2. In a SMK i felt like everyday is "the purge", yeah the freedom to do anything virtually without consequences, especially if you joined the right factions.
Add math this subject... compulsory we need to ponteng this class. 
To me... They are just tools... tools of the system... of a system where the rules were written by the rich for the rich... their objectives is to nurture your kids to face the "society"... if i ever meet my previous teacher, the first question i m gonna ask them is why you are not allow to teach about the $$. F them if he / she know about that he/she won't be doing that job in the first place!
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If everything is about money we won't have a lot of people doing what they do....
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Mar 9 2023, 10:54 PM)
If everything is about money we won't have a lot of people doing what they do....
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If it is pleasure while doing so why not? If that fella don't show me some ah gong portrait i beat the crap out of him (after beat then crying while taking out his precious collection... now... that what i called pleasure)
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:58 AM)
I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

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I rmbr we had to learn a lot about moon and solar system ( had to use a mnemonic to rmbr the planets and also the characteristic of each planet, including things like red giant , comet Vs asteroid, Vs meteorite) back in primary 4..... Or was it primary 5... And also things like serial circuit Vs parallel circuit, and we had to calculate the voltage and current also.

Actually come to think of it, if now I can meet a 10 year old kid who can explain to me about phases of the moon I'd say he is quite smart....

And the magnetism thingy also where we were shown diagrams of magnets , and metal dust was sprinkled on a board on top of the magnets, how the pattern of the magnetic fields would be

So akchelli, Marehsian syllabus not bad because we learnt some of the stuff in primary school alrdy.

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:41 AM)
It is getting harder and harder for them to be dedicated and care about their students. How to care when there are 40 to 50 kids in a class?

Our teachers including those from SRJKC are also burdened with administrative jobs. I know some SRJKC teachers who have to log in late at night or weekend to do administrative work and submissions because our government systems are damn lousy.

Some of them left teaching and went into giving full tuition instead as they said it is more satisfying to teach students one by one of smaller class as they can really monitor their weaknesses. They said teaching tuition you can really see the student progress while teaching in school, you don't really know whether they understand or not. Furthermore, no stupid administrative work to do.

The new system of abolishing exams in Standard 1 to 3 are making it worse as teachers need to assess each and every student and they can't do a good job in assessing when they don't even have time to focus on teaching. Our syllabus is on par with other countries but our execution is the biggest problem since the 90's.
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I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

If can be delivered well at school, we wouldn't need tution and waste money for teachers to make a lot of money.

I not sure now, but it used to be some teachers make a lot of money from tution undeclared to tax authorities.

Its sickening, our education system is being bartered into tutions for profit !

As I mentioned, beggars can't be choosers, because the SRK and SMK really sucks, some parents who want better alternative send their kids to SRJK and indeoendent schools.

I was from a SMK missionary school. It was the best in Msia, until gomen took over, brought in a lot of lazy part time teachers, the good ones either retired or applied to transfer to other schools. only 30% of the time the teachers taught us, while half the time we were sitting in class doing nothing. It was feeling like Harry Potter movie, whereby Voldemort purposely made the students study wrong subjects so they can't defend themselves against the dark arts.

Then gomen started to send drop outs and gangsters to my school. I carefully avoided a fight with them but they also made my class rowdy and scared away the teachers.
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 9 2023, 05:16 PM)
I was lucky to have a teacher who actually cared. Otherwise I would've failed SPM due to BM. Ended up borderline passing.
Gave me several chances and even corrected my words and only noted the correct ones on oral test.

Grateful for her help but this shouldn't be the way imo. Lowers the standard since I'm not deserving of a pass but got it anyway.

But from what I hear our education system has gone down the drain since our time in school. Nobody is looking forward to sending their schools to any govt schools these days. Even those that can't afford it try very hard to earn more so their kids can avoid it.
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The teachers at my SMK, especially the transferred over ones, didn't give a damn.

I should have asked for a transfer.

I will try my best to avoid sending my kids to SMK.

for this reason.


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My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.
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Private schools lah. You get to chose which syllabus you want to follow.

My daughter goes to SJK, my son goes to private.

SJK is tough, after seeing how my daughter slogs through it, doubt my son can handle it. But anyway, private school is better run. As for language, he's taking 3 language subjects, English, Malay and Chinese. Quality of the teachers are different. Method of the teaching is different.

My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.
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Its either sending my kid to those 25k a year international schools, otherwise I can't afford the more expensive ones. But these ones are unstable may bankrupt and their delivery not so good.

Also to send one kid to international school then another to govt, would incur jealousy. I don't think I want to do this. When they grow big, they will later blame me.

International schools are not very good at language, especially mandarin. This is why I avoided send my kid to montesorri that teaches mandarin, it will never work, mandarin is a practice practice language.

by the way, can you share how to diagnose ADHD ? I am interested to know.

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM)
Many people working as professionals in Singapore or overseas also from SMK or chinese independent schools.
Nobody cares what kindi, primary or secondary schools you went to.

Quality education is quality education. No need branded.
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Not for Australia.

They look down on local education of other countries.

This is why Parents die die send their children for AIMST or IGSCE.


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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:08 AM)
I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

If can be delivered well at school, we wouldn't need tution and waste money for teachers to make a lot of money.

I not sure now, but it used to be some teachers make a lot of money from tution undeclared to tax authorities.

Its sickening, our education system is being bartered into tutions for profit !

As I mentioned, beggars can't be choosers, because the SRK and SMK really sucks, some parents who want better alternative send their kids to SRJK and indeoendent schools.

I was from a SMK missionary school. It was the best in Msia, until gomen took over, brought in a lot of lazy part time teachers, the good ones either retired or applied to transfer to other schools. only 30% of the time the teachers taught us, while half the time we were sitting in class doing nothing. It was feeling like Harry Potter movie, whereby Voldemort purposely made the students study wrong subjects so they can't defend themselves against the dark arts.

Then gomen started to send drop outs and gangsters to my school. I carefully avoided a fight with them but they also made my class rowdy and scared away the teachers.
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SRJKC is having problems too. Even though their quality is not as bad as SRK, their teaching style is not suitable for some children. It’s basically rote learning. A lot of students just have very good memories but they don’t really understand what they learnt. They are also facing overcrowding and lack of teacher problems too. Most SRJKC are under MOE and they are also burdened with administrative work too. The pay is not that good either which resulting in them giving tuition to earn more. At the end, their concentration is more on tuition then their job in classes
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:13 AM)
Its either sending my kid to those 25k a year international schools, otherwise I can't afford the more expensive ones. But these ones are unstable may bankrupt and their delivery not so good.

Also to send one kid to international school then another to govt, would incur jealousy. I don't think I want to do this. When they grow big, they will later blame me.

by the way, can you share how to diagnose ADHD ?  I am interested to know.
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Granted, there will be a risk of sibling jealousy. You just have to manage it. Right now, the sister is aware her brother is having difficulty at school and does try to help him with his schoolwork.

As for childhood ADHD, there is no specific test. Observations need to be performed long term on concentration, focus and material subject. It's quite common for children to have ADHD type symptoms as they grow up and the brain learns how to learn and cope with information. Most children will grow out of it. It can be very easily confused with clinical ADHD which is a mental illness. As such, only long term observation will be able to diagnose if the child has clinical ADHD. There are standard test for adult ADHD online, but take those with a grain of salt. Only a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist will be able to properly diagnose mental illness.

While I do have a degree in psychology (2nd degree) I'm not qualified for psychiatry and clinical psychology work.

For children it is important to identify issues early on and tackle them before it becomes habit. Placing the child in an environment that is not conducive to his/her symptoms will make it worst, which is why we decided on the private school route. SJK and SK won't work for him.




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I mean .. what he's saying is exactly what you said though. Enough to be at conversational level, but not at professional level. I don't think that's unbelievable. Certainly there's no way someone who only studied till Standard 6 English can converse professionally in it, so I don't see why it'd be different for Mandarin.

On the aptitude and willingness - sure but that's applies for anything, so I think it's a moot point. The fact you're "forced" to study Mandarin for SPM or just being in environment where people speak Mandarin will simply improve your Mandarin ability.
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I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

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It's an Asian thing

asian parents loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tution
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SRJKC is having problems too. Even though their quality is not as bad as SRK, their teaching style is not suitable for some children. It’s basically rote learning. A lot of students just have very good memories but they don’t really understand what they learnt. They are also facing overcrowding and lack of teacher problems too. Most SRJKC are under MOE and they are also burdened with administrative work too. The pay is not that good either which resulting in them giving tuition to earn more. At the end, their concentration is more on tuition then their job in classes
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beggars can't be choosers.

What to do?

yeah its a problem with chinese ed students, some big 4 refuse to hire them inspite their brilliance 4A in STPM and local grad top scorer, but when comes to interview, krik krik krik, too quiet.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 10 2023, 09:39 AM)
Granted, there will be a risk of sibling jealousy. You just have to manage it. Right now, the sister is aware her brother is having difficulty at school and does try to help him with his schoolwork.

As for childhood ADHD, there is no specific test. Observations need to be performed long term on concentration, focus and material subject. It's quite common for children to have ADHD type symptoms as they grow up and the brain learns how to learn and cope with information. Most children will grow out of it. It can be very easily confused with clinical ADHD which is a mental illness. As such, only long term observation will be able to diagnose if the child has clinical ADHD. There are standard test for adult ADHD online, but take those with a grain of salt. Only a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist will be able to properly diagnose mental illness.

While I do have a degree in psychology (2nd degree) I'm not qualified for psychiatry and clinical psychology work.

For children it is important to identify issues early on and tackle them before it becomes habit. Placing the child in an environment that is not conducive to his/her symptoms will make it worst, which is why we decided on the private school route. SJK and SK won't work for him.
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you mentioned your daughter who is from chinese school is helping your son who is from international school ?

hmm.gif seems like international school should be the one to foster easy learning.

may i ask what are the symptoms of ADHD ? what causes it?
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 10 2023, 11:12 AM)
It's an Asian thing

asian parents loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tution
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I don't.

its where teachers charge you exhorbitantly

if they delivered their classes well in school we won't need tution.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 11:15 AM)
beggars can't be choosers.

What to do?

yeah its a problem with chinese ed students, some big 4 refuse to hire them inspite their brilliance 4A in STPM and local grad top scorer, but when comes to interview, krik krik krik, too quiet.
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It is not only Chinese ed students. SK students are even worse.

I think it is one of the reasons why some parents are going to private or international school. Some who can't afford it will still try to send to those shoplot learning centers.

That is the failure of our education system when even those shoplot learning centers are better choice than government funded schools including SRJKC.
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its up to parent mindset and pocket.

at international school u will see international people too. mindset local people and international people are not same.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 10 2023, 11:12 AM)
It's an Asian thing

asian parents loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tution
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Due to crazy competition to be the very best!

QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 11:17 AM)
I don't.

its where teachers charge you exhorbitantly

if they delivered their classes well in school we won't need tution.
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Even my time my teachers admitted they put close to 0 effort at school so can save energy for their tuition classes since they can make so much more money there. Excuse is the students hopeless and won't listen.

Quite disgusting imo but our system created this issue and keeps encouraging it.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 10 2023, 11:19 AM)
It is not only Chinese ed students. SK students are even worse.

I think it is one of the reasons why some parents are going to private or international school. Some who can't afford it will still try to send to those shoplot learning centers.

That is the failure of our education system when even those shoplot learning centers are better choice than government funded schools including SRJKC.
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its very high risk.

I heard one couple was doing very well, sending both kids to international

then MCO came, one of the parent lost his job, then they are now struggling to put their kids through school
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 10 2023, 04:13 PM)
Due to crazy competition to be the very best!
Even my time my teachers admitted they put close to 0 effort at school so can save energy for their tuition classes since they can make so much more money there. Excuse is the students hopeless and won't listen.

Quite disgusting imo but our system created this issue and keeps encouraging it.
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I heard of cases some teachers were doing so well in their tution biz, that they can send their kids overseas to the best universities.

also their houses are BIG
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 05:25 PM)
I heard of cases some teachers were doing so well in their tution biz, that they can send their kids overseas to the best universities.

also their houses are BIG
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Not surprising. Especially those open chain of tuition centers while still being a school teacher.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 05:24 PM)
its very high risk.

I heard one couple was doing very well, sending both kids to international

then MCO came, one of the parent lost his job, then they are now struggling to put their kids through school
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That is the risk of taking them out. That is why most will still stay in SRJKC for primary school
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 11:16 AM)
you mentioned your daughter who is from chinese school is helping your son who is from international school ?

hmm.gif seems like international school should be the one to foster easy learning.

may i ask what are the symptoms of ADHD ? what causes it?
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She was helping him when he was still in SRK.

Symptoms. Lack of concentration. Difficulty forming concepts, slow language uptake, irritability. These are just symptoms, not necessarily clinical ADHD...but they can also develop into more serious symptoms.

It's just that some people are just "wired" differently. Children sometimes will face these issues while they grow...very often they will grow out of it if early childhood educators recognize the problem and is able to use a different teaching method.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:14 AM)
Not for Australia.

They look down on local education of other countries.

This is why Parents die die send their children for AIMST or IGSCE.
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huh really?

like even if that person graduates from a reputable uni , they still dig his history of sec school?

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 10 2023, 04:13 PM)
Due to crazy competition to be the very best!
Even my time my teachers admitted they put close to 0 effort at school so can save energy for their tuition classes since they can make so much more money there. Excuse is the students hopeless and won't listen.

Quite disgusting imo but our system created this issue and keeps encouraging it.
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Oh god this literally reminded me of my childhood.

I've had teachers back in SMK who literally refused to teach. REFUSED. He would literally come in and say "sakit kepala" la "sakit perut" and bullshit and say today "buat kerja sendiri" or "rilek".

The teacher would then promote his/her own tuition classes and say if want to "truly" learn, come to the tuition.

People really have no idea how messed up our SK/SMK is. Malays who insistently want Chinese to attend SK/SMK turn a blind eye to the absolutely shit schools we have. The Chinese reject SK/SMK because the schools are FULL OF SHIT.

I'm sorry but non-folks here, please never make the mistake of sending your kids to SK/SMK because chances are they're shit. Malays themselves especially the good ones get handpicked to attend MARA, while the richer ones send their kids to international schools. These should tell you a lot.

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now i see their permainan alrdy asking to make single stream school, but ownself got mala to go... ....

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QUOTE(df569 @ Mar 9 2023, 06:21 PM)
Yes still offered.

You are right, I wasn't her student but am from the class next door. She specialises in chinese literature. Very well respected amongst teachers and students as the top chinese teacher in Catholic High. She is also the unit head.
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Is Chinese Literature offered to all students in the school, or only to selected students/classes/streams?

I see Mdm. Chua turns 55 this year - my son will enter CHS in a week's time, and I hope he may be blessed to be part of her final cohort of Chinese Language and Chinese Literature students before she retires in 5-6 years' time. Looks like she also coaches the CHS Chinese Language Debating Team (who have been winning quite a number of the National Chinese Debating competitions, even beating the Chinese Independent High Schools!).

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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 11 2023, 03:38 PM)
Is Chinese Literature offered to all students in the school, or only to selected students/classes/streams?

I see Mdm. Chua turns 55 this year - my son will enter CHS in a week's time, and I hope he may be blessed to be part of her final cohort of Chinese Language and Chinese Literature students before she retires in 5-6 years' time. Looks like she also coaches the CHS Chinese Language Debating Team (who have been winning quite a number of the National Chinese Debating competitions, even beating the Chinese Independent High Schools!).
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Chinese literature is offered to all students across 14 classes starting from Form 4, both arts or science stream. Something unique about CHS is that all science students must take all 3 sciences and add maths, there are no "sub-science" class.

Yes indeed, our debate team frequently travels overseas for international competitions. Your son may join the debate club if he is keen on giving it a go.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions, I'm happy to help.
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Back in around 2000s, I used to know a few kids who were sent to private schools. Their parents were so proud to say "my child doesn't speak Chinese, he only understands English". And I was like "you are proud of him for being monolingual?".
And whaddya know, these people have started learning Chinese now.
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When comes to kids, all parents wants the best and follow the trend to be competitive.
International school are one of those trends.

Personally, International school are meant for Foreigners who travels/migrates.
Not sure how these schools became a Trend

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QUOTE(trojandude @ Mar 11 2023, 01:05 AM)
Oh god this literally reminded me of my childhood.

I've had teachers back in SMK who literally refused to teach. REFUSED. He would literally come in and say "sakit kepala" la "sakit perut" and bullshit and say today "buat kerja sendiri" or "rilek".

The teacher would then promote his/her own tuition classes and say if want to "truly" learn, come to the tuition.

People really have no idea how messed up our SK/SMK is. Malays who insistently want Chinese to attend SK/SMK turn a blind eye to the absolutely shit schools we have. The Chinese reject SK/SMK because the schools are FULL OF SHIT.

I'm sorry but non-folks here, please never make the mistake of sending your kids to SK/SMK because chances are they're shit. Malays themselves especially the good ones get handpicked to attend MARA, while the richer ones send their kids to international schools. These should tell you a lot.
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Good write up, this is also main reasons I send my kids to private school. SK is dominated also by malay and no longer multi racial. My son earlier was in SK and he is 1 of 2 Chinese student in the class. Also didn’t like how during assembly and etc got prayers before starting.

At least in private school is more open, teachers are better qualified and they really do teach, multi racial mixed students and much better facilities too
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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Correction: KL/Selangor parents. The demographic is too low to statistically label them under "malaysian parent"

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 10 2023, 04:13 PM)
Due to crazy competition to be the very best!
Even my time my teachers admitted they put close to 0 effort at school so can save energy for their tuition classes since they can make so much more money there. Excuse is the students hopeless and won't listen.

Quite disgusting imo but our system created this issue and keeps encouraging it.
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Even in International Schools or shoplot ones some of the teachers don’t really put effort on classroom teaching, more on tuition. The teachers don’t really want to spend their time with the students, just teach and go.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Mar 10 2023, 10:19 PM)
huh really?

like even if that person graduates from a reputable uni , they still dig his history of sec school?
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tendency to do so.

Not unless if you're from SMK, then suddenly you are an engineer degree holder from Oxford.

It helps a lot if your secondary education is australian based
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QUOTE(Artak @ Mar 13 2023, 07:45 AM)
Correction: KL/Selangor parents. The demographic is too low to statistically label them under "malaysian parent"
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of course lah, I am not referring to the rural areas.

Mostly nons, T20 and M40 would think of this.

even the melei some T20 and M40 are sending their kids to international Saudi Arabia schools.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 10 2023, 06:28 PM)
She was helping him when he was still in SRK.

Symptoms. Lack of concentration. Difficulty forming concepts, slow language uptake, irritability. These are just symptoms, not necessarily clinical ADHD...but they can also develop into more serious symptoms.

It's just that some people are just "wired" differently. Children sometimes will face these issues while they grow...very often they will grow out of it if early childhood educators recognize the problem and is able to use a different teaching method.
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I remembered I was struggling a lot in my SMK and even in university because I just couldn't imagine or understand what the lecturer was saying. Back then internet was in its infancy and teaching methodologies were at best crude and obsolete, use of those old projectors and white boards to explain.

It didn't help that in SMK they directly translated to BM those industrial arts books, terminologies were wierd at best.

Today, we have youtube, udemy, zoom, udemy, google, etc. Understanding is way way faster. I ponder back those things I struggled to understand, like Add maths, then suddenly in this present day with help of technological advances, i was able to understand better.

I think ADHD or not, the technological breakthroughs are out there, to make learning way much easier.
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QUOTE(brendankay @ Mar 13 2023, 07:51 AM)
Even in International Schools or shoplot ones some of the teachers don’t really put effort on classroom teaching, more on tuition. The teachers don’t really want to spend their time with the students, just teach and go.
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Of course there will always be bad apples. But when majority are bad apples, something is encouraging it.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 13 2023, 09:02 AM)
I remembered I was struggling a lot in my SMK and even in university because I just couldn't imagine or understand what the lecturer was saying. Back then internet was in its infancy and teaching methodologies were at best crude and obsolete, use of those old projectors and white boards to explain.

It didn't help that in SMK they directly translated to BM those industrial arts books, terminologies were wierd at best.

Today, we have youtube, udemy, zoom, udemy, google, etc. Understanding is way way faster. I ponder back those things I struggled to understand, like Add maths, then suddenly in this present day with help of technological advances, i was able to understand better.

I think ADHD or not, the technological breakthroughs are out there, to make learning way much easier.
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Irony is we are seeing more kurang ajar people around. In terms of education, ethics and manners.

Just like overhead bridge is made for easier and safer road crossing, yet people cross highway right below the bridge. They rather put life at risk than climb some stairs.
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I understand why many parents are choosing international schools. It's often about providing their kids with a global education and better future opportunities. These schools usually offer diverse curriculums, which can help if you're planning to migrate. Even if migration doesn’t happen, kids get exposure to different cultures and teaching methods.
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I chose a different route for my kids by sending them to a military school. After researching the best Military High Schools in Arizona, we went with American Leadership Academy (ALA). My child is now in their second year, and we've seen a lot of personal growth and discipline improvements.

It’s true that if kids don’t get PR, they might struggle with BM and Mandarin. But every choice has its pros and cons, and you have to decide what's best for your family.

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QUOTE(Akaashi @ May 17 2022, 02:48 PM)
From what I was told, I know some sent their kids to international/private school becoz they provide after school care service which is convenient for parents who both have to work. Since it gonna cost more or less the same looking for child care outside after school, might as well leave them at school.
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