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post Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 02:23 PM)
a lot of my kolik now send their kids to international school, 7yo already started.

dunno why not even want to send to SRJK.

some even use a lot of their salary to pay for their kids school fees.

why they do this ? to prepare them to migrate ?

but international education help in their application for PR ?
If let say fail to get PR, then stuck here, BM not so good, mandarin also dunno, become banana. Spend so much but ROI so low because RM low.
so they have to target places like australia, uk, usa, canada.
Spore also can, but i notice many people migrate to Spore not want to get married and even not want to have kids.

do you do the same ? send ur kids to international school ?
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Private schools lah. You get to chose which syllabus you want to follow.

My daughter goes to SJK, my son goes to private.

SJK is tough, after seeing how my daughter slogs through it, doubt my son can handle it. But anyway, private school is better run. As for language, he's taking 3 language subjects, English, Malay and Chinese. Quality of the teachers are different. Method of the teaching is different.

My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Mar 9 2023, 04:14 PM
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post Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 08:38 AM)
private school is good ROI, if children go to singapore or overseas to work.
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Many people working as professionals in Singapore or overseas also from SMK or chinese independent schools.
Nobody cares what kindi, primary or secondary schools you went to.

Quality education is quality education. No need branded.
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post Mar 9 2023, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(df569 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:35 PM)
I am a product of SJKC Lick Hung + SMJK Katholik PJ. Can tell you all the students there, regardless of race, can speak mandarin and english well. Our sciences all are in english and compulsory SPM BC.

We have chinese lesson everyday from Mon to Fri. I have to take lrt for 1hr home since form 1 and it was tough, some days after school heavy rain no choice, by the time I walk until lrt station already wet. But I'm grateful that my parents forced me to study mandarin until SPM.
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I would like to enquire, is Chinese Literature still offered as a subject at Catholic High School? I read this Sin Chew article that they have a very good Chinese Literature teacher there:
https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220922/%E5%90%...96%87%E5%AD%A6/

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post Mar 9 2023, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM)
Are SRJKC teachers better than those in SRK ?

I known personally some SRJKC teachers, they are quite dedicated and care about their students.

But I never attended SRJKC before.

Whereas my experience at SRK and SMK was horrific. I have had horrible teachers, their delivery of teaching was horrible. We weren't afforded the personal attention and some teachers ponteng.
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I was lucky to have a teacher who actually cared. Otherwise I would've failed SPM due to BM. Ended up borderline passing.
Gave me several chances and even corrected my words and only noted the correct ones on oral test.

Grateful for her help but this shouldn't be the way imo. Lowers the standard since I'm not deserving of a pass but got it anyway.

But from what I hear our education system has gone down the drain since our time in school. Nobody is looking forward to sending their schools to any govt schools these days. Even those that can't afford it try very hard to earn more so their kids can avoid it.
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post Mar 9 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:49 PM)
I would like to enquire, is Chinese Literature still offered as a subject at Catholic High School? I read this Sin Chew article that they have a very good Chinese Literature teacher there:
https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220922/%E5%90%...96%87%E5%AD%A6/
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Yes still offered.

You are right, I wasn't her student but am from the class next door. She specialises in chinese literature. Very well respected amongst teachers and students as the top chinese teacher in Catholic High. She is also the unit head.
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 09:48 AM)
hahahaha.... those were the days

during my time during ponteng we go roaming around the town, bring extra shirt just for that
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 09:50 AM)
I am one of the parent who did that.

two years in srk, thought wanna give them a chance, but nope, nope, seeing how the whole system works, since I got a better choice, why not?
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1 spent my form 1 in an international school, it was hard, everyday class is until 3pm. Till one day i decide i have had enough of it. Did something and got me expelled from that cesspool then rejoin my pig dog friend which i knew from SJKC starting SMK form 2. In a SMK i felt like everyday is "the purge", yeah the freedom to do anything virtually without consequences, especially if you joined the right factions.

QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:58 AM)
I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

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Add math this subject... compulsory we need to ponteng this class.

QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM)
During my school days  I have met with several dedicated teachers which some of them, I still keep in touch

their passion, dedication, I can safely say I dont meet these kind of great teachers anymore these days

cant blame the current teachers too, they are kinda forced to do so many clerical things .

dunno lah, perhaps need the Great Reset to revamp the whole education system.
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To me... They are just tools... tools of the system... of a system where the rules were written by the rich for the rich... their objectives is to nurture your kids to face the "society"... if i ever meet my previous teacher, the first question i m gonna ask them is why you are not allow to teach about the $$. F them if he / she know about that he/she won't be doing that job in the first place!
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post Mar 9 2023, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Mar 9 2023, 10:23 PM)
We just wear uniform only, but wear it inside out.
1 spent my form 1 in an international school, it was hard, everyday class is until 3pm. Till one day i decide i have had enough of it. Did something and got me expelled from that cesspool then rejoin my pig dog friend which i knew from SJKC starting SMK form 2. In a SMK i felt like everyday is "the purge", yeah the freedom to do anything virtually without consequences, especially if you joined the right factions.
Add math this subject... compulsory we need to ponteng this class. 
To me... They are just tools... tools of the system... of a system where the rules were written by the rich for the rich... their objectives is to nurture your kids to face the "society"... if i ever meet my previous teacher, the first question i m gonna ask them is why you are not allow to teach about the $$. F them if he / she know about that he/she won't be doing that job in the first place!
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If everything is about money we won't have a lot of people doing what they do....
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post Mar 9 2023, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Mar 9 2023, 10:54 PM)
If everything is about money we won't have a lot of people doing what they do....
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If it is pleasure while doing so why not? If that fella don't show me some ah gong portrait i beat the crap out of him (after beat then crying while taking out his precious collection... now... that what i called pleasure)
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post Mar 9 2023, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 9 2023, 10:58 AM)
I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

user posted image
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I rmbr we had to learn a lot about moon and solar system ( had to use a mnemonic to rmbr the planets and also the characteristic of each planet, including things like red giant , comet Vs asteroid, Vs meteorite) back in primary 4..... Or was it primary 5... And also things like serial circuit Vs parallel circuit, and we had to calculate the voltage and current also.

Actually come to think of it, if now I can meet a 10 year old kid who can explain to me about phases of the moon I'd say he is quite smart....

And the magnetism thingy also where we were shown diagrams of magnets , and metal dust was sprinkled on a board on top of the magnets, how the pattern of the magnetic fields would be

So akchelli, Marehsian syllabus not bad because we learnt some of the stuff in primary school alrdy.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Mar 9 2023, 11:25 PM
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post Mar 10 2023, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:41 AM)
It is getting harder and harder for them to be dedicated and care about their students. How to care when there are 40 to 50 kids in a class?

Our teachers including those from SRJKC are also burdened with administrative jobs. I know some SRJKC teachers who have to log in late at night or weekend to do administrative work and submissions because our government systems are damn lousy.

Some of them left teaching and went into giving full tuition instead as they said it is more satisfying to teach students one by one of smaller class as they can really monitor their weaknesses. They said teaching tuition you can really see the student progress while teaching in school, you don't really know whether they understand or not. Furthermore, no stupid administrative work to do.

The new system of abolishing exams in Standard 1 to 3 are making it worse as teachers need to assess each and every student and they can't do a good job in assessing when they don't even have time to focus on teaching. Our syllabus is on par with other countries but our execution is the biggest problem since the 90's.
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I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

If can be delivered well at school, we wouldn't need tution and waste money for teachers to make a lot of money.

I not sure now, but it used to be some teachers make a lot of money from tution undeclared to tax authorities.

Its sickening, our education system is being bartered into tutions for profit !

As I mentioned, beggars can't be choosers, because the SRK and SMK really sucks, some parents who want better alternative send their kids to SRJK and indeoendent schools.

I was from a SMK missionary school. It was the best in Msia, until gomen took over, brought in a lot of lazy part time teachers, the good ones either retired or applied to transfer to other schools. only 30% of the time the teachers taught us, while half the time we were sitting in class doing nothing. It was feeling like Harry Potter movie, whereby Voldemort purposely made the students study wrong subjects so they can't defend themselves against the dark arts.

Then gomen started to send drop outs and gangsters to my school. I carefully avoided a fight with them but they also made my class rowdy and scared away the teachers.
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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 9 2023, 05:16 PM)
I was lucky to have a teacher who actually cared. Otherwise I would've failed SPM due to BM. Ended up borderline passing.
Gave me several chances and even corrected my words and only noted the correct ones on oral test.

Grateful for her help but this shouldn't be the way imo. Lowers the standard since I'm not deserving of a pass but got it anyway.

But from what I hear our education system has gone down the drain since our time in school. Nobody is looking forward to sending their schools to any govt schools these days. Even those that can't afford it try very hard to earn more so their kids can avoid it.
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The teachers at my SMK, especially the transferred over ones, didn't give a damn.

I should have asked for a transfer.

I will try my best to avoid sending my kids to SMK.

for this reason.


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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM)

My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.
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Agree on this. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM)
Private schools lah. You get to chose which syllabus you want to follow.

My daughter goes to SJK, my son goes to private.

SJK is tough, after seeing how my daughter slogs through it, doubt my son can handle it. But anyway, private school is better run. As for language, he's taking 3 language subjects, English, Malay and Chinese. Quality of the teachers are different. Method of the teaching is different.

My son probably suffers from mild ADHD like many kids do..he will never be able to survive SJK. The way way I see it is, you can either kill your kid at SJK or learn nothing in SK. Private school is middle ground. Expensive option yes, but an option nonetheless.
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Its either sending my kid to those 25k a year international schools, otherwise I can't afford the more expensive ones. But these ones are unstable may bankrupt and their delivery not so good.

Also to send one kid to international school then another to govt, would incur jealousy. I don't think I want to do this. When they grow big, they will later blame me.

International schools are not very good at language, especially mandarin. This is why I avoided send my kid to montesorri that teaches mandarin, it will never work, mandarin is a practice practice language.

by the way, can you share how to diagnose ADHD ? I am interested to know.

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 9 2023, 04:01 PM)
Many people working as professionals in Singapore or overseas also from SMK or chinese independent schools.
Nobody cares what kindi, primary or secondary schools you went to.

Quality education is quality education. No need branded.
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Not for Australia.

They look down on local education of other countries.

This is why Parents die die send their children for AIMST or IGSCE.


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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:08 AM)
I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

If can be delivered well at school, we wouldn't need tution and waste money for teachers to make a lot of money.

I not sure now, but it used to be some teachers make a lot of money from tution undeclared to tax authorities.

Its sickening, our education system is being bartered into tutions for profit !

As I mentioned, beggars can't be choosers, because the SRK and SMK really sucks, some parents who want better alternative send their kids to SRJK and indeoendent schools.

I was from a SMK missionary school. It was the best in Msia, until gomen took over, brought in a lot of lazy part time teachers, the good ones either retired or applied to transfer to other schools. only 30% of the time the teachers taught us, while half the time we were sitting in class doing nothing. It was feeling like Harry Potter movie, whereby Voldemort purposely made the students study wrong subjects so they can't defend themselves against the dark arts.

Then gomen started to send drop outs and gangsters to my school. I carefully avoided a fight with them but they also made my class rowdy and scared away the teachers.
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SRJKC is having problems too. Even though their quality is not as bad as SRK, their teaching style is not suitable for some children. It’s basically rote learning. A lot of students just have very good memories but they don’t really understand what they learnt. They are also facing overcrowding and lack of teacher problems too. Most SRJKC are under MOE and they are also burdened with administrative work too. The pay is not that good either which resulting in them giving tuition to earn more. At the end, their concentration is more on tuition then their job in classes
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:13 AM)
Its either sending my kid to those 25k a year international schools, otherwise I can't afford the more expensive ones. But these ones are unstable may bankrupt and their delivery not so good.

Also to send one kid to international school then another to govt, would incur jealousy. I don't think I want to do this. When they grow big, they will later blame me.

by the way, can you share how to diagnose ADHD ?  I am interested to know.
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Granted, there will be a risk of sibling jealousy. You just have to manage it. Right now, the sister is aware her brother is having difficulty at school and does try to help him with his schoolwork.

As for childhood ADHD, there is no specific test. Observations need to be performed long term on concentration, focus and material subject. It's quite common for children to have ADHD type symptoms as they grow up and the brain learns how to learn and cope with information. Most children will grow out of it. It can be very easily confused with clinical ADHD which is a mental illness. As such, only long term observation will be able to diagnose if the child has clinical ADHD. There are standard test for adult ADHD online, but take those with a grain of salt. Only a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist will be able to properly diagnose mental illness.

While I do have a degree in psychology (2nd degree) I'm not qualified for psychiatry and clinical psychology work.

For children it is important to identify issues early on and tackle them before it becomes habit. Placing the child in an environment that is not conducive to his/her symptoms will make it worst, which is why we decided on the private school route. SJK and SK won't work for him.




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QUOTE(trojandude @ Mar 8 2023, 11:51 PM)
I mean .. what he's saying is exactly what you said though. Enough to be at conversational level, but not at professional level. I don't think that's unbelievable. Certainly there's no way someone who only studied till Standard 6 English can converse professionally in it, so I don't see why it'd be different for Mandarin.

On the aptitude and willingness - sure but that's applies for anything, so I think it's a moot point. The fact you're "forced" to study Mandarin for SPM or just being in environment where people speak Mandarin will simply improve your Mandarin ability.
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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:08 AM)

I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

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It's an Asian thing

asian parents loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tution
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 10 2023, 09:15 AM)
SRJKC is having problems too. Even though their quality is not as bad as SRK, their teaching style is not suitable for some children. It’s basically rote learning. A lot of students just have very good memories but they don’t really understand what they learnt. They are also facing overcrowding and lack of teacher problems too. Most SRJKC are under MOE and they are also burdened with administrative work too. The pay is not that good either which resulting in them giving tuition to earn more. At the end, their concentration is more on tuition then their job in classes
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beggars can't be choosers.

What to do?

yeah its a problem with chinese ed students, some big 4 refuse to hire them inspite their brilliance 4A in STPM and local grad top scorer, but when comes to interview, krik krik krik, too quiet.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 10 2023, 09:39 AM)
Granted, there will be a risk of sibling jealousy. You just have to manage it. Right now, the sister is aware her brother is having difficulty at school and does try to help him with his schoolwork.

As for childhood ADHD, there is no specific test. Observations need to be performed long term on concentration, focus and material subject. It's quite common for children to have ADHD type symptoms as they grow up and the brain learns how to learn and cope with information. Most children will grow out of it. It can be very easily confused with clinical ADHD which is a mental illness. As such, only long term observation will be able to diagnose if the child has clinical ADHD. There are standard test for adult ADHD online, but take those with a grain of salt. Only a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist will be able to properly diagnose mental illness.

While I do have a degree in psychology (2nd degree) I'm not qualified for psychiatry and clinical psychology work.

For children it is important to identify issues early on and tackle them before it becomes habit. Placing the child in an environment that is not conducive to his/her symptoms will make it worst, which is why we decided on the private school route. SJK and SK won't work for him.
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you mentioned your daughter who is from chinese school is helping your son who is from international school ?

hmm.gif seems like international school should be the one to foster easy learning.

may i ask what are the symptoms of ADHD ? what causes it?

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