BRUSSELS, Sept 23 (Reuters) - The EU aims to have a common charging port for mobile phones, tablets and headphones under a European Commission proposal presented on Thursday in a world first, with the move impacting iPhone maker Apple (AAPL.O) more than its rivals.

The move has been more than 10 years in the making, with the European Union executive touting environmental benefits and 250 million euros ($293 million) in annual savings for users.

Under the Commission's proposal, a USB-C connector will become the standard port for all smartphones, tablets, cameras, headphones, portable speakers and handheld videogame consoles. Chargers will also be sold separately from electronic devices.

The EU executive will revise its eco-design regulation in the near future so that the external power supply is interoperable, which is the last step for a common charge.

The Commission said it was not targeting Apple and only acted because companies were not able to agree on a common solution despite a decade of talks, which have reduced the number of mobile phone chargers to three from 30.

Apple pushed back against the proposal.

"We remain concerned that strict regulation mandating just one type of connector stifles innovation rather than encouraging it, which in turn will harm consumers in Europe and around the world," the company said in a statement.

It also voiced concerns about the 24-month transition period for companies to comply with the legislation once it is adopted.

"My job is to kill off these sea snakes whenever I can," he told a news conference.

Breton also dismissed Apple's comments as old refrains.

"I have known these companies for years. Every time we put (forward) a proposal, they start to say 'oh, it will be against innovation'. No, it's not against innovation, it's not against anyone. Like everything the Commission does, it's for consumers," he said.

IPhone and Android users have long complained about having to use different chargers for their phones. The former is charged from a Lightning cable while Android-based devices are charged using USB-C connectors.

Half the chargers sold with mobile phones in 2018 had a USB micro-B connector, while 29% had a USB-C connector and 21% a Lightning connector, according to a 2019 Commission study.

The proposal needs the green light from EU member states and EU lawmakers following which companies will have two years to adapt their devices.

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-tele...ple-2021-09-23/

Inb4 apple kena sanction

Just require the company to supply power cable and provide 5 years warranty for the cable.....

Superior Usb-c is the future

Apole will remove ports soon.

All in on this. Usb c ke arah kuasa dunia

i agreed standardize charging and data port,.. last time use parallel port,... but parallel port too big,.. people use serial port as standard,..then maju liao use USB,... Apple die die dun wan use USB,...

USB-C is capable of supporting USB4, the latest and fastest USB specification. As a result, USB-C cables can transfer speeds up to 40Gbps. By comparison, Lightning cables are much slower and transfer data at USB 2.0 rates of 480Mbps.

Majority of phones out there: USB2.0 is fine

If have better spec only can say innovation, resisting just so they can use the old ones is nothing near innovation at all.

Apple rather do it portless than using generic USB-C, fark EU.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 07:55 AM

Yes, Apple please stop selling to EU to show who is the boss

yet they have products that uses USB-C

Cause tablets and laptops need connectivity with peripherals and etc, but phones mostly using touchscreen and do most connectivity with cloud/Bluetooth.

The main usage of lightning port is earphone and charging, which Apple are happy to opt for wireless alternative and charge you more for that.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 08:04 AM

why want to go lightning when USB-C can do all the same
this is the part EU and everybody are complaining about

right now only apple has different port for each of their product...not standardize
and they keep saying they wanna go environmentally friendly

actually is to milk more money

go wireless but need to separately buy prolly their own wireless tech(not qi wireless charging) = they will say no cable = environmentally friendly

Apple wants to control everything... like a cult

Finally the EU is telling Apple off.

The lightning port sucks compared to Type C. Apple kept for the Lightning port due to MFI licenses they sell to accessories makers for huge profits. If using Type C, they lose the accessories market.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost...ple-MFi-program

Actually, physically Lightning port is more resilient (especially female) and smaller.

Type-C on the other hand some very tight some very loose. And the female connector can get damaged or stressed if you insert the male cable off-angle.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 08:26 AM

using usbc for ipad proof that it's a superior port over lighting

USB-C can't do charging and earphone?? Kek.

There is absolutely no innovation using lightning on phones. The only advantage of lightning is to use on laptop for external.GPU. But external GPUs are rarer than a Nokia 3310. Which basically renders it's only advantage pointless.

But I think USB c is cheaper as they are more mass produced. If spoilt, you just buy a new cable

Yup Lighting cable = USB C all along....jeng jeng jeng

To Apple, Lightning’s main usage is charging and earphone, thus they don’t need to push for Type-C. Now that they’re pressured by EU, I can foresee they rather do away with the charging port all together and do everything purely wireless (like I said, Lightning’s earphone and charging usages can be replaced by wireless alternative).

And you had mistaken Lightning with Thunderbolt.

What if it’s the female port which is damaged?

Like I said, female Lightning is very resilient, meanwhile some female USB-C can get damaged quite easily.

Oh yes, sorry. That this thunderbolt. My mistake. WTF. Sarahan Thor Prince of Lightning/Thunder!

Which means Lightning is absolutely useless. And apple is only using feable excuse to plotek when USB-C is so much better.

apple themselves proved that usb-c is superior by including it in all their all prosumer devices

but somehow decided to cripple their phones line because it "stifles innovation"

who's gonna believe that bullshit

After standardize the port, next standardize the Phone OS.... ?

Like I say, it's cheaper to replace even if the female port is damaged.

Why do you say lightning port is not so easy damaged?

If it's so bad, why Apple uses USB C for their other devices except iPhones?

people use iphone because of the OS
but not because of the cable
by not including it in the box due to environmentally friendly issue but don't want to standardize it with the whole world...that's an issue on it's own

Honestly...I haven't break any ports other than ancient PCs serial COM port with male pins sticking out. Unless you are some Hulkzilla, it's impossiburubto break ports under normal usage.

Ifags

Apple kearah kuasa besar portless device

Longlive magsafe

I used to think like you, till I realise not everyone is as careful as me when using their devices.

Nope, most female ports are not cheap, especially some which directly soldered onto the mobo.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 08:59 AM

EU lawmaker thought they've won

Apple meanwhile mass produced iConverter priced at USD19.90 each, mandatory accessory in EU for every iPhone purchase.

Now EU citizen need to pay 19.90 extra for every iPhone purchase

Exactly. Even to old USB non C types, I can still use for some older devices.

The only time my USB C port spoilt was when I accidently drop a powerbank.

However, you can easily replace the cable with a new one.

If you are Hulkzilla, lightning port is equally breakable. So no advantage.

The male might die, but the female is resilient.

And you have evidence lightning female port better than usb-c in breakable limits?

I using USB C for donkey years also never experienced such issue leh. 3 phones and 2 notebooks.

It’s basic physics, female lightning have more structural supports than female USB-C.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 09:14 AM

Yah yah. No evidence.

or just be creative make your own usb c port full screen display for iphone.

Then Make repairs modular and easy, and parts easy to source.
Apple has no excuse to keep using that stupid cable.
They should be industry standard, not creating new standards.

tl;dr

What about wireless charging?

This is "normal usage"?

Try show evidence of 100,000 cucuk and uncucuk like IKEA test.

there were tests did before for USB-C ports few years back, they tested it by plugging in plug out continuously to simulate wear and tear

mind you, USB-C were rated 10,000 cycles. but it worn out after just 1000 cycles. its still usable but the cable is shaking left and right causing disconnection often.

i get this on my office laptop + docking station almost a year ago, sikit2 move the laptop can connection can be lost. same for my USB-C MBA friends who constantly screams for blood whenever she lost connection with external HDD via the dongle lel. ive been using ipong 6 and XR since 2014 until now and i rarely get issues on the lightning port connection vs USB-C

not saying lightning is better in specs, but in terms of durability? so much more since its a solid connector vs USB-C's which has a fragile looking connector in middle for female side.


it is cheaper only if theyre the cheap types. proper USB-C cables arent cheap if you need them to deliver in performance

read this on how convoluted this new "standard" is

https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/

Again, all this is just you say, totally no evidence at all.

My USB-C all perfect. No comment about MBA since i don't buy any Apple products. Just because Apple can't make a good USB-C port doesn't means other's can't. I have no issues with my USB-C port from Nintendo Switch to tons of Android phones and PC laptops.

Type C need to buy quality cables and not those from RM 2 shops. Buy those with a proper resistor inside like Ugreen, Baseus and other branded ones.

Those problems u described were mostly due to bad quality cables. Lightning also has bad quality cables sold at RM 2 shops.

Yep. I only use high quality ones like Ugreen, Anker and Baseus. In fact, i have one Baseus 100W PD USB-C cable expected to arrive today.

Usb2.0?

just do a quick check online on users reviews + youtubers on their view on USB-C ports, the features are strong which is what most want and love but on the durability side, its really bad.

its akin to micro USB, if it doesnt happen good for you. but to those who been thru micro USB hell you know what it is like

speaking of nintendo switch, my friend's USB-C dock station is already loose kek. but no issue to still plug cause its still solidly parked there instead of being moved around like other charging cables. but it tells alot on the durability of USB-C itself if its shaky after 1yrs of use

Even stock or branded aftermart chargers/cables also can have multiple fitness. Some very loose while some barely able to fit in (I even plugged some that’s so damn tight to the point the cable rather broke than get disconnected).

Meanwhile Lightning’s fitness are mostly standardised as they all using Apple provided connectors or same mold.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 10:24 AM

https://www.lifewire.com/usb-c-vs-lightning-5206813

https://www.tronsmart.com/blog/47_5-reasons...-lightning.html

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-light...onnector-eulogy

Lightning only sold by Apple under MFI license. Other manufacturers cannot even buy the mold or circuitry without paying Apple. Enterprising people will clone the connectors leading to loose connection or broken pins after several months of use.

will using lube help?

wha is the effect of low quality cables? will it spoil the phone?

So far no issue on my phones which uses USB-C for more than 4-5 years already! (Realme and huawei)

My new notebook also uses USB-C for charging/power, been good for last couple of months.

If just regular 5V or 9V, no problems. If let's say u were charging the laptop at 20V using a cheap cable and later used the same charger and cable to charge a phone, the voltage may maintain at 20V, killing the phone.

Thunderbolt is the future

Thunderbolt macam vaporware from shintel No more news for the past 5 years already

again, all those are soft specifications.

Nobody denying that type-C is more superior in terms of charging speed and connectivity.

But my point is that doesn’t mean type-C is physically better than lightning.

Lightning win over Type-C at physical level
- smaller
- easier to plug in
- the female is more robust (don’t have stress point like type-C did and the cable is directly supported by the phone metal case), also the male is more standardised in size.

This post has been edited by msacras: Apr 26 2022, 12:35 PM

Will I be surprised to see iPhone EU vs rest of world?

problem with lightning is their MFi cert is haram price.

for example

type-C to 3.5mm can support audio, calls, mic everything for RM5-RM20.
The same lightning to 3.5mm need Apple tax chip because of that MFi cert cost RM40-RM50

no reason for this Bullshit.

Kan ada thunderbolt 4?

No update means waiting for others to catch up because too good liao

the newer apple original charger using usbc on charger to usb c on ipad, maintaining lighting on iphone only a lame excuses

My Note 20 Ultra every day sure charge, definitely cucuk in out more than 4 or 5 times a day. Almost 2 years on still tight like virgin.

Previous Note 10 also used 2 years with same wear and tear. Today also ketat feel.

then thats good for you

cause me and others arent on the same page on USB-C durability

You and the selected others lo.

Cos I rmb even LTT did a plug unplug test before on USB C. Went up to like 7k or 8k also no issue.

dun understand why so many ktard support EU to force apple to go for usb charging port

is just a freaking phone charging issue

why need EU to decide this?

is like malaysia govt to decide how many tea spoon of sugar to put into ur milo drink

iphone belong to apple

ikut suka dia la...nah usb a ke , usb c ke....

yang EU sibuk kenape?

now if CHINA follow EU step of usb-c for all electronic devices, it would squeezed APPLE even more.

If umno can say, tak sukak, keluar..then EU also can do the same la

u are saying umno n eu same level?
not bad umno

why would china stop product development ?
knowing apple factory is in china

you think its easy to double clock rate ka? somemore need to be stable for at least 1 meter of lenght.
40gbps over 4 data pin is already impressive enough.

even if intel release thunderbolt5, it going to be exclusive for intel chipset only, there is no way for intel to license that to the like of apple or amd for few years.

So if car manufacturers die² insist left side driving despite Malaysia is more towards right side driving..that means you are backing the manufacturers?

ktard mulut said democracy

but action seems to be towards cccp

so support country to restrict here restrict there

Except for external GPU enclosure, I've heard of no use of them.
So, like vapourware.

Of proliferate up to thumbdrive, external HDD, and mass adoption by monitors like display port, then can argue.
Now, really feel like vapourware.

why not?
i thought we are free market?

some car manufacturers want left , some want right...up to them la
they want do 3 tayar car , 6 tayar car...
as long as safety is there....tak kesah

everything also u want control...
do u need government to tell u how many tea spoon of sugar u put in ur milo everyday?

mulut cakap democracy
tapi suka cccp control restriction

I have seen more breaks in iPhone cables than android ones. Just sayin'

The irony is strong here
Cannot defend anymore eh?
Your reasonings fail
And surely usb-c is way better than lightning

i said is up to apple what
dunno why u so support EU control what apple put on their product

later EU said all android phone must have only 1500 battery
u support?

today they control ur charging port
tmr they control ur chipset....

oh wai sounds like cccp

So you're telling me govt is wrong to teminate 3g?
Why not allow telcos pick what they want?

of course is wrong.
i never agree on that

dun change topic

today EU control charging port
next year EU will control ur handphone battery
next next year EU will said oh only 6gb ram will do ....

is this what u want?

but thunderbolt still use USB-C connector and cross compatible with normal USB.
thats not really an issue.

Wrong analogy
USB-C way better than lightning

so?

EVEN if u said usb c is way better

so what?

apple want to put 1gb ram ...into iphone
that is apple problem

u tak suka, u beli samsung huawei xiaomi....sony...motorola

is a free market...
like i said again n again
why u like a country to control what a company can do or not on its own product?

current thunderbolt4 can only drive two display of 4k@60fps and 2k@60fps (HBR3). sorry, its not enough. we need more bandwidth.
vaporware or not, belambak device out there already utilize thunderbolt protocol.

not using thunderbolt then use what? even usb4 is using thunderbolt protocol

It all depends on why EU are doing it?

Why can't there be a standardized charging port?

Isn't it better for everyone?

I am sure you'll say its up to individual to decide.

However, the role of government whether it is democratic or autocratic is to set policies where they think it is the best for the people.

controller need to be developed what.
with fixed usb-c connector and electrical medium, manufacturer only have 6 data pins to play around, it is not easy to develop a new controller that will be twice as fast as current controller.

and we all know intel current focus right now is making faster CPU(probably GPU too), they dont have much resource to play with interconnect stuff.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Apr 26 2022, 02:13 PM

problem is yes...today u said standardized charging port
tmr will u said retina display > amoled? then every phone SHOULD USE retina display?
then next year , no more snapdragon, meditek , SHOULD USE apple m1 chip??

is just a small freaking phone charging
there are over 20-50 brands of phone outside

if ppl think lighting sucks , ios sucks...
buy la samsung...huawei , xiaomi , oppo , SONY , motorola...

no one force u to use lightning.

i dun see why EU must force apple in this issue.

u think pepsi too sweet?
drink coke...drink 100 plus lor.

u think maggie sucks?
buy cintan la

set policies where they think it is the best for the people
sounds like cccp said baidu is better then google

This post has been edited by M4A1: Apr 26 2022, 02:15 PM