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 Why Preve and Suprima became failures?

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anakkk
post Mar 7 2022, 12:13 PM

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proton after sales service reputation already gone to the drain until Geely bought them
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Mar 7 2022, 11:47 AM)
Why would Italdesign design Ferrari? You are mistaken it with Pininfarina that designed Ferrari a lot. Azlan was sent to Italdesign to give input from Proton perspective.

Never a fan of any of Azlan designs and his view on car design also doesn't excite me. That was why we keep getting tall kontot car with huge aquarium windows and windshields. Even Exora suffered from this even thought they based the design on Toyota Wish.
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summore when you have syiok sendiri ceo

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post Mar 7 2022, 12:16 PM

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Indeed a very good car, except the problematic engine.
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:14 PM)
summore when you have syiok sendiri ceo

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also gave his son proton money to waste on 'sport' division
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Mar 7 2022, 12:17 PM)
also gave his son proton money to waste on 'sport' division
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R3 IMHO is just another wasted opportunity. really syiok sendiri project

should have market the products to the masses, but even when you go to their HQ also, the CS is kinda blur and simply said no stock.


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post Mar 7 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(masked @ Mar 7 2022, 08:17 AM)
2014 city launched from 76k, preve 73k..

now go mudah search 2014 city price, can buy 2x 2014 preve..
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50% depreciation after 8 years is very good. Euro n korean cars even higher depreciation.
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(armati @ Mar 7 2022, 08:06 AM)
Because of engine
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GB not engine had for 7 years engine never give me problem.



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post Mar 7 2022, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:11 PM)
wow. really conti feelings
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but really its a fun car to drive (as long you dont cheapskate on maintenance) . looks friendly but can bite the road

till today im still wondering why so much hate for suprima. its not perfect but it does what it does, so far i had no big issue, yet
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Mar 7 2022, 12:01 PM)
I heard that too. But I used to read Azlan's blog long time ago how a few of his office mate and him own Toyota Wish and they do a lot of comparison with it. Iirc, they even use one as test mule.
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how about Saharudin Busri ?
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:29 PM)
how about Saharudin Busri ?
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I quite like his design actually. They are somewhat wacky but still relatable like his attempt to visualise Proton Saga Knight concept.
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Mar 7 2022, 08:59 AM)
Proton became profitable again under Geely - so can safely say they are better at running the company.

in the mid-2000s, i used to do some work with Proton in their SA plants and offices. i can tell you the culture there was one of the worst (if not the worst) tidak-apa attitudes in corporate Malaysia.

up down left right everyone curi tulang like bapak punya kilang
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Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(motion_sickness @ Mar 7 2022, 12:28 PM)
but really its a fun car to drive (as long you dont cheapskate on maintenance) . looks friendly but can bite the road

till today im still wondering why so much hate for suprima. its not perfect but it does what it does, so far i had no big issue, yet
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I have driven waja, preve , saga blm and saga vvt for a short time. and yes the handling is good ( comparing to other local cars like perodua , which is basically a sampan on the road ) .

my favorite weekend route would be kuala pilah - kuala klawang- seremban as well as Federal Route 59 tapah-cameron

but refinement is just not there. you will find some odd things about the car. like saga vvt. why cant the bonnet have latch from the outside? yes they have fix it on the new saga 4at. but those kind of odd things is quite a turn off.

and they never make a good seat materials, in this particular section perodua have better one ( except for axia and bezza, whoever design that uncomfortable seats should be sacked )

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ahmad92
post Mar 7 2022, 12:37 PM

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Still driving my suprima since 2014. Milage around 210k km now.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:34 PM)
Hmmm. Coincidentally at the time waja tiara juara and some other crap models were introduced at that time that really started driving proton reputation down the drain. Before that at least iswara and wira still had Mitsubishi reliability. Maybe after mamak retired 1.0, everyone started to slack off without supervision?
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mahathir was still indirectly involved when he stepped down in 2002 as advisors/chairman till 2016

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post Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:11 PM)
wow. really conti feelings
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Conti-like maintenance
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM)
mahathir was still indirectly involved when he stepped down in 2002 as advisors/chairman till 2016

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No power/not the same after he no longer pm.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM)
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Conti-like maintenance
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Rm120 for a simple fan relay? Shopee xde?
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post Mar 7 2022, 12:46 PM

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so nice eh you very organized. now i know why am i broke


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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:44 PM)
Rm120 for a simple fan relay? Shopee xde?
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that time was still under warranty. sc ask to pay rm120 for relay so that other parts of the fan assembly can be replaced foc

proton edar sc some more, not the dealer sc

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 7 2022, 12:41 PM)
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proton doesn't have the economy of scale, parts much expensive compare to Toyota/Daihatsu, even Honda

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