What if...
All kind of long ball is allowed, even Q combinations
but....
you cant pass with long ball directly to striker, midfielder is the furthest you can pass to
juz a suggestion
WGT Fifa 2007 Rules, Updated on 23 October 2007
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 Sep 22 2007, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(falcon76 @ Sep 22 2007, 05:26 PM) RULES: Well, for a free kick that is 19 metre, usually a human player will tap as soft as possible to score after adjusting the proper angle. So, besides taking it manually, you can just wait for a while (probably 10-15 sec) then the computer will automatically kick the ball. The power that the computer kick will be very soft, usually it will ensure a goal. So that is why goal scored from computer free kick is not allowed.It is not allowed to score a goal from a computer taken free kick. QUESTIONS: What do you mean?  Added on September 22, 2007, 5:25 pm QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 05:38 PM) What if... Well, there are few things to take note of if like that:All kind of long ball is allowed, even Q combinations but.... you cant pass with long ball directly to striker, midfielder is the furthest you can pass to juz a suggestion 1. You need a lot of marshal to monitor each game. Because no replay for such incident happened. 2. Your marshal need to memorize the player's line up. Some players will put Ronaldo as midfielder, the marshal might mistaken that he is a striker. Yepz, he is a striker, but he played him as midfielder and there is no problem to it. Brazil have lots of strikers and some have to sacrifice as midfielder. 3. For a formation that has AMC, does he consider as a striker also? Because he stands so up in front. So, I think the rule above is not do-able.  But still, it's just my suggestion.Regards, [W|nDs] LoOn4tiC This post has been edited by highwind: Sep 22 2007, 05:25 PM |
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Sep 22 2007, 05:40 PM
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It is not allowed to score a goal from a computer taken free kick.
Falcon, it means tat when you are taking a free kick, you can't leave the game goin idle cause if you do, after about 30 seconds or so, the AI will automatically take the freekick for you. So the goal being scored that way, it's not legal. And good suggestions from accelerator, loon and bpwx. I agree with them on their case. So i guess we need more player's feedbacks. Well, at the end of the day, these rules are being made for gamers. So, i think suggestions will be great. Give constructive comments and suggestions. Help luige out here. I'm totally agreeing on the same set of rules being implemented by my.WCG07 and if there's a problem on the 1 on 1 long ball lob which is done by precisely exsecuting the "A" button to create a 1 on 1 ST on GK situation, which most players seems to deem it unfair. Then ban that "A" move in addition to the previous my.WCG07 set of R&R. Don't ban the D clearance and A clearance or any long balls which do not create a 1 on 1 situation (ST vs GK). Good job by luige in moderating the FIFA R&R despite his work and hectic schedule. KUDOS for your dedication. Another 1 more thing, is FIFABOT gonna be used? Thanks. This post has been edited by ken0777: Sep 22 2007, 05:43 PM |
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Sep 22 2007, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(highwind @ Sep 22 2007, 05:19 PM) Well, for a free kick that is 19 metre, usually a human player will tap as soft as possible to score after adjusting the proper angle. So, besides taking it manually, you can just wait for a while (probably 10-15 sec) then the computer will automatically kick the ball. The power that the computer kick will be very soft, usually it will ensure a goal. So that is why goal scored from computer free kick is not allowed. no noAdded on September 22, 2007, 5:25 pm Well, there are few things to take note of if like that: 1. You need a lot of marshal to monitor each game. Because no replay for such incident happened. 2. Your marshal need to memorize the player's line up. Some players will put Ronaldo as midfielder, the marshal might mistaken that he is a striker. Yepz, he is a striker, but he played him as midfielder and there is no problem to it. Brazil have lots of strikers and some have to sacrifice as midfielder. 3. For a formation that has AMC, does he consider as a striker also? Because he stands so up in front. So, I think the rule above is not do-able. But still, it's just my suggestion.Regards, [W|nDs] LoOn4tiC i mean the striker position |
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Sep 22 2007, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(falcon76 @ Sep 22 2007, 04:26 PM) RULES: Falcon, the LONG PASSES meant in the rules are all about long passes which are HIGH UP ON THE AIR. It seems like you still don't know why the rule is being implemented in such a way. Haha what kinda unfair plays can we actually make by making long grounder passes? Players are not allowed to use any kind of long ball from their own half. ( Where the ball travels from own half to another half ) -Long passes to opponent's half -Defensive clearance QUESTIONS: What if i make long passes using S or W, is it still considered legal move? Or can i say that as long as the LONG passes is on the ground (S or W), it will be considered legal move ? QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 04:38 PM) What if... Luige, well i think you don't have to abolish the rule of forbidding Q+A/D/W combinations from own half. I still think it's best to have that rule there. Just make sure that there's no long ball directly to strikers. It's best if you can appoint 1 marshal for each game playing. Just ask the marshal to take watch the game and see if any unfair play happens during the game. See if any gamer that purposely or accidentally send a long pass to his striker and then create a 1v1 chance. It's very obvious to see. If the marshal feels it's unfair, then he can order the player to kick the ball out of play.All kind of long ball is allowed, even Q combinations but.... you cant pass with long ball directly to striker, midfielder is the furthest you can pass to juz a suggestion QUOTE(highwind @ Sep 22 2007, 05:19 PM) Well, for a free kick that is 19 metre, usually a human player will tap as soft as possible to score after adjusting the proper angle. So, besides taking it manually, you can just wait for a while (probably 10-15 sec) then the computer will automatically kick the ball. The power that the computer kick will be very soft, usually it will ensure a goal. So that is why goal scored from computer free kick is not allowed. Loon, i think Luige obviously meant "striker" as in the player who's at the front most, right beside the center defenders of his opponent. Luige was just referring to the position of the players instead of the really "strikers" you're talking about lolz.Added on September 22, 2007, 5:25 pm Well, there are few things to take note of if like that: 1. You need a lot of marshal to monitor each game. Because no replay for such incident happened. 2. Your marshal need to memorize the player's line up. Some players will put Ronaldo as midfielder, the marshal might mistaken that he is a striker. Yepz, he is a striker, but he played him as midfielder and there is no problem to it. Brazil have lots of strikers and some have to sacrifice as midfielder. 3. For a formation that has AMC, does he consider as a striker also? Because he stands so up in front. So, I think the rule above is not do-able. But still, it's just my suggestion.Regards, [W|nDs] LoOn4tiC To understand the rule better, i've simply drawn a simple diagram of it:  Haha i didn't know i took 30 minutes to draw that diagram lolz  This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 22 2007, 06:32 PM |
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 Sep 22 2007, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(accelerator7 @ Sep 22 2007, 02:51 AM) I think the rule means external conditions such as people kacau-ing the gamers during play...by means of shouting...good rule there! Wei apa pulak ... ! I want to do mexican wave and boo my teammates oppenant also cannot .... boring lar then the tournaments ... !   QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 04:38 PM) What if... Players can create "Q" to player run , u can ask a defender to make a run also ... then do a long ball when he reach at that sweet spot All kind of long ball is allowed, even Q combinations but.... you cant pass with long ball directly to striker, midfielder is the furthest you can pass to juz a suggestion  QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 06:09 PM) no no Yeah .. agree .. ! This one I can accept .. i mean the striker position  QUOTE(accelerator7 @ Sep 22 2007, 06:31 PM) To understand the rule better, i've simply drawn a simple diagram of it: Rajinnya ... ! Haha i didn't know i took 30 minutes to draw that diagram lolz  Yeah agree with this also ... !Aiya .. if accidentally press D ( clearance )..pass back lar .. or pass out and ask ur opponent to give the ball back ... -> BE A MAN (Referee --> briefing on this before the tournament starts.) |
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Sep 22 2007, 07:27 PM
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Wah..die lar if like this.if play for 45mins nvm lar..hehe
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Sep 22 2007, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 07:09 PM) no no Yepz, what i mean if, another example:i mean the striker position I put SOL CAMPBELL as my striker, then i do long ball to SOL. So the marshal have to note that his SOL CAMPBELL is actually a striker. The other thing is AMC can stay up as high as striker during 'ATTACK' Mode. So it might accidentally landed on the AMC foot and the player might start complaining that he didn't do longball directly to striker. To make the rules clearer, maybe it should state their position, such as: Cannot long ball directly to striker (LS, RS, ST, LF, RF, CAM, LCAM, RCAM and CF) A few position that might confuse as a striker or as a midfilder: Are 433 wingers consider as strikesr? (RS LS) Are 4321 forwards are strikers? (LF RF) Are 451 attacking midfielders a strikers? (LCAM RCAM) Is 41212 attacking midfielder a striker? (CAM) Is 4411 forward is a striker? (CF) 4222 have 4 upfront despite it's only 2 strikers. Are all the 4 consider as striker? These are all the potential players that can be longball-ed. Rules have to be clear as there are 128 FIFA players playing. |
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Sep 22 2007, 07:38 PM
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ok
make it clear you cant pass a long ball to the furthest player of your team can? |
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Sep 22 2007, 07:51 PM
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Haha loon i wonder why you have to say until like that. It's very simple only. Just based on the diagram i've drawn, any long balls that are sent directly to the furthest players, who are just next to the opponent's defenders, are not allowed. No matter what formation you use, where you put your strikers at, the thing that marshal needs to watch out is there's no long ball that will be sent to the player who is just beside the last defender, thus creating a 1v1 chance if the player just turned and run towards the goal. That's why i purposely drew the diagram to give a better view of the rule.
Yeah that's clear also Luige  |
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Sep 22 2007, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(luige @ Sep 22 2007, 07:38 PM) ok Aiseh.. ! ur suggestion is coming back to long ball again .. ... make it clear you cant pass a long ball to the furthest player of your team can? Easy .. no long ball - any long ball .. .. if accidentally press D ( clearance )..pass back lar .. or pass out and ask ur opponent to give the ball back ... -> BE A MAN (Referee --> briefing on this before the tournament starts.) Why long ball .. cannot pass defenders .. what happen to " one two " , " one two lobs " , " dribbling " learn from "Ballack" lar .. using 433 also can pass around ... I really thing the person who is using "long ball" got no imaginations. .. ! ( started lar flame war  )This post has been edited by siLDes: Sep 22 2007, 08:00 PM |
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Sep 22 2007, 11:16 PM
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Sep 23 2007, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(bpwx @ Sep 22 2007, 11:16 PM) I think the making the long ball to wingers or midfielders only will just add more problems.....Like what highwind said, sometimes, in attack mode, even midfielders will be positioned in striker positions when in the field, even when we set them in midfield positions when we are setting our positions.. I agree with you, bpwx. As a summary, 1 vs 1 results from long ball in own field is not allowed. Right?Well, I think, for me at least, this should be the long ball rule : 1. Long balls 'QA', 'QD' and 'QW' are banned. 2. Long balls which somehow gets past the whole defence and straight to the striker( as in the ball lands in front of the striker without any problems and any challenges from the last man) is banned. 3. Long balls which makes the ball travel high in the air but STILL require a challenge for the ball whether a header or a ball chesting fight between the defender and the striker is allowed. This is indeed fair for both players as with this long ball, the defending player can still have a chance to actually do SOMETHING and win the ball than just watch as his opponent's long ball as stated in no.2 penetrates the whole defence and giving his opponent a 1v1 chance.... But I think the BEST and REASONABLE solution would be to just use the OFFICIAL WCG Fifa 2007 rules 2.0, which was also used for MY.WCG.07....To be honest, actually these long balls are actually blockable( not including QA,QW and QD).... I tried a few 'A' long balls when I played with W|nds.Rei during my match with him and he managed to block ALL the long balls.... He managed to anticipate my target and just moved his defender there based on his radar screen..... And also, the WCG Grand Finals are coming up not too far away... I'm sure the people there will be using the non-banned long balls as well.... If we really have problems with these long balls, we can always check out how they block these long balls... Besides, thanks Loon, Kennee and Accerelator7 for your explanation. Crystal clear now. This post has been edited by falcon76: Sep 23 2007, 12:18 AM |
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Sep 23 2007, 04:36 AM
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QUOTE(bpwx @ Sep 22 2007, 11:16 PM) But I think the BEST and REASONABLE solution would be to just use the OFFICIAL WCG Fifa 2007 rules 2.0, which was also used for MY.WCG.07....To be honest, actually these long balls are actually blockable( not including QA,QW and QD).... I tried a few 'A' long balls when I played with W|nds.Rei during my match with him and he managed to block ALL the long balls.... He managed to anticipate my target and just moved his defender there based on his radar screen..... come play me i show u how ... ! ON ur FIFABot if u think i use and "Q"s ..  |
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Sep 23 2007, 07:53 AM
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Sep 23 2007, 10:05 AM
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i wanted to use the wcg rules oso
but i'm not sure whether i haf internet connection anot, else how to use fifabot leh???? This post has been edited by luige: Sep 23 2007, 10:06 AM |
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Sep 23 2007, 11:50 AM
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International again?Damn it!!
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Sep 23 2007, 01:46 PM
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Sep 23 2007, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(bpwx @ Sep 23 2007, 01:46 PM) Hmmm...why not you try confirming first whether there is internet connection available.. Cause it is preffered if the fifabot is used, to somehow stop all this arguments and prevent future problems in tourneys.. AGREED!I'm sure you remember my situation with kayren about his time wasting and forbidden move which scored the crucial goal that beat me right? With a fifabot, definitely his move will be detected, but since nobody saw him doing it, only me, no marshalls saw it, he can deny and deny and there's nothing we can do about it..... If really there is no internet connection, then I suggest maybe have one marshall to officiate EACH match, not one marshall to observe few matches... With one marshall to watch each match, at least we can get them straight away once a problem occurs... Like last time, when kayren did the forbidden move to me, I was shouting and showing hand signals like a crazy man but there was NO marshalls available... The earliest marshall to arrive was like, walking from one end of the tournament area to my position and by the time the marshall arrived, kayren stopped doing the time wasting stuff so the marshall couldn't see it but clearly, the damage was done to me already...... And for the second point should there be no internet connection, I think this would be a fair long ball rule( copied and posted from my earlier post) : 1. Long balls 'QA', 'QD' and 'QW' are banned. 2. Long balls which somehow gets past the whole defence and straight to the striker( as in the ball lands in front of the striker without any problems and any challenges from the last man) is banned. 3. Long balls which makes the ball travel high in the air but STILL require a challenge for the ball whether a header or a ball chesting fight between the defender and the striker is allowed. This is indeed fair for both players as with this long ball, the defending player can still have a chance to actually do SOMETHING and win the ball than just watch as his opponent's long ball as stated in no.2 penetrates the whole defence and giving his opponent a 1v1 chance.... P.S. : luige, we all know you're trying your best to solve the problem and we really appreciate it add:- Clearance ball of 'D' or 'A' is allowed as long it doesn't create a without any challenge situation of 1 on 1 of Attacker with Goalkeeper. If does and goal is scored, the goal will be consider void and inform to marshall. If the situation is created unintentionally, fairplay is encouraged, just kick the ball out of play to give the ball back to your opponent. |
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Sep 23 2007, 03:03 PM
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if u guys volunteer to become marshal, then i will have 1 marshal for each game
 if ther's not internet connection, ok... - Q combinations is banned - No DIRECT LONG BALL TO STRIKER POSITION / FURTHEST PLAYER - Long ball which required challenges will still be banned at the moment, tat's it i will update the rules by tmr |
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