I think the rule means external conditions such as people kacau-ing the gamers during play...by means of shouting...good rule there!


Luige i wanna ask a few questions here...so basically the rule is cannot send a long ball from own half to the opponent's half right?

1. What if the ball was cleared from my own penalty box and it drops back into my own half? The game will continue fairly and there's no need to kick the ball out of play?

2. How about if the ball was cleared high up to the opponent's half, but then the opponent wins the ball. We can continue the game fairly without kicking the ball out of play?

Just want to let you know also that sometimes AI will auto-clear the ball for you when it's under a dangerous situation inside your own penalty box...

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 22 2007, 01:37 PM

Now i'm thinking can we even play long balls to change from sides to sides? It's a very important tactic in football to send a long ball from 1 side to another side...especially to create a counter attack...and please don't tell me by creating counter attacks is also a forbidden move please

What i can really suggest is...if the rule has to stand where long balls are forbidden to be used on own half to the opponent's half...then please state some exceptions out...remember the rule is implemented for fair play...and the fair play issue is to avoid a chance for a striker to receive a long ball and then have the 1v1 chance against the keeper...so please stress the rule on such situations only...

That means if by any chance a player presses A or D and the ball goes all the way to the striker...then the ball should be played out straight away...if he continues to use the striker to run towards the goal and scores...the goal is not counted...so the exceptions will be:

1. Clearance by using D or A are allowed. This applies only if the ball drops in your own half.

2. Sending long balls around the field is allowed BUT sending a long ball straight to the striker (which will look darn obvious) to create a 1v1 chance from your OWN HALF is forbidden. If such situation occurs, the player should kick the ball out of play or else a warning will be issued.

Luige i respect the marshal decisions on setting the rules but please understand that we are the gamers and i think the gamers know the game best and also our feedbacks are quite important to assist in setting up a better and fairer rules. I myself never use the long ball tactic at all but i just think by banning all long balls in own half regardless of any situations is too absurd. So i hope my suggestions will be noted as i think they are quite fair and wouldn't create troubles also. If you don't think the rules are good, i hope to know what are the bad sides of them. I hope to get a reply for my questions as well, thanks.

And yeah, i know rules are meant for fair play...but to think in a rational way...banning all long balls in own half doesn't solve the issue only but it also creates problems...i don't see any unfair plays that will happen even if long balls are still allowed...as we all still know, the only unfair play issue is to send a long ball straight to the striker to create a 1v1 chance against the keeper

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 22 2007, 01:54 PM

We all should remember why the long ball is an issue here...it's because we do not want to have the lame and easy way for the striker to get a 1v1 chance against the keeper...so even if you use A in your own half, as long as you don't send a long ball straight to your striker which results in creating a 1v1 chance...then it's still reasonable and the game can continue to be played fairly

Yeah we all should know why tournaments are held...to only promote the companies and sponsor brands? Are that the only reasons? I believe the main reason is to help grow the gaming community in Malaysia as well...gamers join tourneys to have the experience and to learn to be better...gamers are the ones who will play and compete in the tourney...you can't say "Ahhh why do we care about the gamers complaints...just set a normal list of rules and then continue with it...they want to play then they play...or else don't join"...this is not a reason to why more tourneys are held every year...i believe organizers do also hope the gamers feel better and happy in participating tourneys so that they will join again next year to support the tourneys...if really such absurd rules are implemented...gamers feel it's unreasonable and there's no fun to it...then less gamers will bother about the tourneys or putting efforts in coming all they way from other states to join the tourneys...besides that if we play and train under such different rules here, how do you expect if the gamers are to compete in the world finals which have a different set of rules?

Thanks for looking into my suggestions luige

Yeah we know that it's hard for you to make decisions as well and you can't satisfy each of us here...but i believe most of us have the same views on rules...even if there are some different rules...you always have the rights to choose which suggestions are best and fairest to you.

Yeah no offend here...i'm sorry if my posts looked like a bunch of complaints to you...but all i was trying to do was to sound what i have in my mind and hope a best list of rules will be used at the end of the day...thanks again for reading our posts and considering our suggestions again.

It is this kind of situations that spark a long argument and headaches to the marshals...so i think the best way is to appoint a marshal to monitor each game that's going on...if the marshal thinks it's unfair then the ball should be kicked out of play immediately by the order of the marshal...and that's why to avoid things like that...just don't send a long ball to the striker which will end up something like an easy 1v1 chance...just don't send a long ball to the strikers...if you did it after a clearance...then just kick the ball back to your own half to continue a fair play, just kick the ball out of play or just let the opponent wins the ball...well the problems are huge already and try not to bombard the marshals with more questions...sometimes just play by your own senses of sportsmanship...you do what's right and complain what's wrong in a reasonable and sportsmanship way...that's the best

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Added on September 22, 2007, 3:09 pmWell don't you think the 2 suggestions i gave earlier will solve the problems?

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 22 2007, 03:09 PM

Falcon, the LONG PASSES meant in the rules are all about long passes which are HIGH UP ON THE AIR. It seems like you still don't know why the rule is being implemented in such a way. Haha what kinda unfair plays can we actually make by making long grounder passes?

Luige, well i think you don't have to abolish the rule of forbidding Q+A/D/W combinations from own half. I still think it's best to have that rule there. Just make sure that there's no long ball directly to strikers. It's best if you can appoint 1 marshal for each game playing. Just ask the marshal to take watch the game and see if any unfair play happens during the game. See if any gamer that purposely or accidentally send a long pass to his striker and then create a 1v1 chance. It's very obvious to see. If the marshal feels it's unfair, then he can order the player to kick the ball out of play.

Loon, i think Luige obviously meant "striker" as in the player who's at the front most, right beside the center defenders of his opponent. Luige was just referring to the position of the players instead of the really "strikers" you're talking about lolz.

To understand the rule better, i've simply drawn a simple diagram of it:



Haha i didn't know i took 30 minutes to draw that diagram lolz

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 22 2007, 06:32 PM

Haha loon i wonder why you have to say until like that. It's very simple only. Just based on the diagram i've drawn, any long balls that are sent directly to the furthest players, who are just next to the opponent's defenders, are not allowed. No matter what formation you use, where you put your strikers at, the thing that marshal needs to watch out is there's no long ball that will be sent to the player who is just beside the last defender, thus creating a 1v1 chance if the player just turned and run towards the goal. That's why i purposely drew the diagram to give a better view of the rule.

Yeah that's clear also Luige

Please don't complain about whether it's International or Club. Any which of it will have no difference. Learn to use both of them.

Yeah Luige, those are the rules i'm supporting and suggesting as well

Another thing i would like to add, I hope there's internet connection as well. Not for only FIFAbot, but also for the Online Patcher. I believe that the Online Patcher needs internet connection to work. If there's no internet connection available, the Online Patcher will not work and the game speed will be NORMAL and the difficulty level is not WORLD CLASS, like what happened during WCG. Since the rules stated we should play FAST and WORLD CLASS, then i think we should really play like how the rules have stated. Unless, the Offline Patcher will work for our versions because it was said that the Offline Patcher will probably work only for German, France and UK versions. Anyway, i think i will do some experiments on both the Online and Offline patchers and will get to you soon.

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 23 2007, 05:27 PM

BPWX, i think you are still unclear with the rules. I think the 3 rules are good enough.

Again, let's not forget what's the long ball issue is.

LONG BALL STRAIGHT TO THE PLAYER WHO CAN EASILY RECEIVES THE BALL AND RUN STRAIGHT TOWARDS TO THE GOAL TO HAVE A 1V1 CHANCE WHILE THE OPPOSING TEAM'S DEFENDER CAN ONLY WATCH IN HORROR!

Ok with that, just forget about whether the player is a defender, midfielder or striker. It doesn't matter. As long as a long ball is sent from own half and directly to a player who got past the last defender, receive it and start sprinting like mad cow straight to the keeper, THIS IS NOT ALLOWED! And this is darn obvious to see. Whether it's fair or unfair. Once you see your opponent did this, just raise your hand and ask for the marshal, AT THE SAME TIME, warn your opponent about it.

You are just making unnecessary comments on the clearance rule. Before that long balls are banned and it's unacceptable because we can't clear the ball. Now we can clear ball but you still want to comment on whether you can challenge the ball to continue your attack? It's already good enough for you to clear the ball at the first place. And i tell you, if you clear the ball from your penalty box area with D of course, the ball will end up in your own half. Only if you use A to clear with full bar, the ball might reach the opponent's half. In this case, just let your opponent wins the possession while you feel grateful that you've cleared the ball from a dangerous situation. This is not a necessary thing to be worried of i think.

Regarding your second post, about the Torres situation, i don't think there's any problem to it. As long as the long ball doesn't result in a DIRECT 1V1 CHANCE, then it's not a situation which is UNFAIR. The thing here is Torres who received the ball first, then only he passes to the other player. This case is fair and it does not create any lame and easy 1v1 chance.

Please do not just look at the rule but please imagine also how something will be looked as UNFAIR play. You guys start to include other situations other than the straight long ball to the player who's standing right behind the last defender and NOT GETTING AN OFFSIDE.

Again, i think my diagram explains all. Any situations are allowed but as long as a player is standing with the opposing team's last defender, you are not allow to pass to him. This can be clearly seen as unfair when the player starts running past the defender while the ball is still on the air, receives it and starts running towards the keeper without any other defenders around to stop him. Please remember that this applies to long ball from OWN HALF straight to the opponent's half.

*Note that now i start to use the term PLAYER instead of STRIKER. Because it doesn't matter what the receiving player is. As long as the situation is any of your player from your own half sends a high and long ball to the opponent's half and ANY PLAYER who runs past the last defender without any offside and straight get an easy 1v1 chance, it's not allowed. If any of these situations happen, you're expecting your opponent to kick the ball out of play or he does not run straight to the goal. If you accidentally sent a long ball to your player and you see it's kinda unfair, then just BE A MAN and lose the possession OR you can pass back to your own half to retain possession and slowly attack back up. Think this to avoid any arguments. If a gamer is good, long balls are not the only way to score. In football, it needs creativity to create chances to score. I rest my long and repetitive explanations

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Added on September 23, 2007, 9:26 pmYeah it has a difference. You only can choose the best team THAT SUITS YOU in either International or Club. So start doing some research and picking a team in INTERNATIONAL to start your practice. There's no use to only stick to a team to play with in FIFA 07. Start trying other teams as well, International teams and Club teams. At the end of the day, during the tournament, your opponent will also use an International team. If you like you can choose the same team as he's using, so there's no argument to say "His team is better than mine". It's all about your own creativity, skills and formation you use. Good luck!

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 23 2007, 09:27 PM

Why you wanna ask so much about such questions leh? Well just don't do a long ball from your own half to your striker. That's IT! Don't care chest or win or struggle or steal, just don't do any long balls to the furthest player to avoid problems to yourself. As i've said, if you're good enough, you don't need to depend on such situations in order to get goals only. Pass the ball back and slowly work your way up.

In that issue, i knew what kinda situation you're meaning as i've tried before. Normally your strikers will still stand in the middle line while the opposing team defenders are all up. So just cross the ball to the strikers who are still on the middle line. IN MY OWN OPINION, i don't see this as any unfair play. It's the carelessness of the opponent himself to press Q Q Q Q Q too many times until the defenders are all up. So if you ask me, i guess that's allowed. But you know Luige is da boss here!

Yeah Luige just stick to the 3 rules.

And thanks for the time in reviewing our problems and suggestions.

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Added on September 24, 2007, 2:57 am1. Goals will definitely not be counted if scored in such forbidden methods. I suggest gamers to just raise your arm or stand up to call for a marshal as soon as you see your opponent continues with his run towards your goal. I think gamers should be briefed first about the new rules before starting. Even after that, some gamers might do it on accidental. I don't think anyone will dare to do it since they have been briefed and warned. If you can notice your opponent purposely do the long ball and run straight towards your goal, he definitely will get a yellow card for his act.

2. In my opinion, i think option (b) should be used. As long as you don't do the unfair long ball to get an easy goal, that's good enough. Have some sportsmanship and pass the ball all the way back below the half line. With this i think it's fair to both gamers. Whoever wins the ball, he gets the possession. And if the attacking side wins the ball, he's fair enough to not launch an attack but pass back instead in order not to create the lame 1v1 chance. Well this sounds crazy if you are talking about this in REAL FOOTBALL but well this is FIFA 07 and there are rules, so we just will have to follow the rules and after all rules are there for FAIR PLAYS

This post has been edited by accelerator7: Sep 24 2007, 03:00 AM

Haha yeah Luige's da boss. Like what Forza said, Luige Rules!

Ken you should know that only a few of us read this thread and my long essay explanations lolz. So many of the gamers will not know exactly what it means and how it is. That time will have lotsa questions bombarding the marshals also. So i think it's also needed to gather all players and then Luige explains the rules, especially the long ball rules.

Eh i also included the use of BOLD and COLOR ok!

Yeahhh first prize got free accomodation to KL for WGT, RM1500 cash, a set of green goblin pc, sponsored gifts by sildes...thanks alot! Haha if you cannot afford those then 1 set lunch of Teppanyakki or Burger King also can

Come try my Brazillian Samba...sure can get past your great wall of china

Rules from CGS:

All rules are quite the same to the WGT rules but note the 2 bold rules. These 2 rules are crucial in assisting the long ball rules and i hope Luige will consider in implementing them as well

How about the long ball rule which forbids the player to send a long ball from own half to the furthest player in opponent's half??

At first i thought the long ball rule is already discussed and thought to be an ideal rule for WGT...how come suddenly the rule was abolished without any notice?

That time said the rules were fixed and finalized, but then all of a sudden the long ball is taken out without any notice. Therefore, we won't know if there's new rule to be added in or an old rule to be taken out again.

Hehe looks like dektos gonna earn some extra $$ again in marshalling jobs eh? Hahaha must belanja liao lorrr