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depends on the system. Always seems kinda harsh when the system requires him to pull players to him and open up an upper passing lane without lapping own players.English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks
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Feb 15 2022, 01:09 PM
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Feb 15 2022, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 15 2022, 12:00 PM) defensive stats for a DM of course. My only gripe is on the tactical need for him to fall in to the defensive line while defending but that is on the tactics and not on him. My view on Scott at DM will be harsh because in all fairness, he is not a DM. I'd class him as a box to box.Stats wise, i would say top 10% or even 5% in PL as a CDM. I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top 50% in the PL if we are going by CDM stats. He can contribute in a B2B role, or even cover as CDM. Just not first choice CDM. Just like why I would say Scott does not fit at RW, there are some criterias on why I think CDM doesn't play to his strengths. He has roughly half the skillset required to be a top CDM which makes him 50% suitable for the role. Another player then needs to compliment the other 50% like Fred. Hence McFred. A top class CDM can do it all. What Scott lacks are : - He does not sense danger quick enough. McT is not a natural defensive player as he actually started his career as a forward. There are situations that he doesn't sense the danger quick enough to alter his possition. So at times, he gets caught out. - He does not provide the distribution for the team at the base of midfield. This is key for any top CDM when in possession. He does not offer himself consistent enough as a passing option and lacks the passing range/accuracy to dictate play. - Speed of thought not fast enough. His mental attribute on decision making isn't quick enough to play CDM. The top players at CDM often make decisions before even receiving the ball. So they are efficient with one touch. McT is not. This is not a knock on McT as these attributes are for top CDMs. Scott isn't even a CDM to begin with. I can imagine he'd do a good job for a relegation side that sits deep but not for United. I like McTominay as a personality and a graduate of the academy. But we have been using him as a square peg in a round hole that the Board refuses to fix. DarkWan liked this post
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Feb 15 2022, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 15 2022, 01:23 PM) My view on Scott at DM will be harsh because in all fairness, he is not a DM. I'd class him as a box to box. level with ndidi on blocksI wouldn't put him anywhere near the top 50% in the PL if we are going by CDM stats. He can contribute in a B2B role, or even cover as CDM. Just not first choice CDM. Just like why I would say Scott does not fit at RW, there are some criterias on why I think CDM doesn't play to his strengths. He has roughly half the skillset required to be a top CDM which makes him 50% suitable for the role. Another player then needs to compliment the other 50% like Fred. Hence McFred. A top class CDM can do it all. What Scott lacks are : - He does not sense danger quick enough. McT is not a natural defensive player as he actually started his career as a forward. There are situations that he doesn't sense the danger quick enough to alter his possition. So at times, he gets caught out. - He does not provide the distribution for the team at the base of midfield. This is key for any top CDM when in possession. He does not offer himself consistent enough as a passing option and lacks the passing range/accuracy to dictate play. - Speed of thought not fast enough. His mental attribute on decision making isn't quick enough to play CDM. The top players at CDM often make decisions before even receiving the ball. So they are efficient with one touch. McT is not. This is not a knock on McT as these attributes are for top CDMs. Scott isn't even a CDM to begin with. I can imagine he'd do a good job for a relegation side that sits deep but not for United. I like McTominay as a personality and a graduate of the academy. But we have been using him as a square peg in a round hole that the Board refuses to fix. better than jorginho in tackles surprisingly high on clearances high fouling rate normally means into the thick of things He's not a natural CDM, but he's playing there now and should be judged on his performance stats in that position. Not based on the 'i feel' system. The board has no say on who starts or plays in a match. Only the manager has the power. Even the veto system is being revamped by RR. |
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 15 2022, 01:23 PM) My view on Scott at DM will be harsh because in all fairness, he is not a DM. I'd class him as a box to box. If you have do not have that, you are not fit to play in Man Utd midfield. Period. Doesn't matter you are DM, CM or AM.I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top 50% in the PL if we are going by CDM stats. He can contribute in a B2B role, or even cover as CDM. Just not first choice CDM. Just like why I would say Scott does not fit at RW, there are some criterias on why I think CDM doesn't play to his strengths. He has roughly half the skillset required to be a top CDM which makes him 50% suitable for the role. Another player then needs to compliment the other 50% like Fred. Hence McFred. A top class CDM can do it all. What Scott lacks are : - He does not sense danger quick enough. McT is not a natural defensive player as he actually started his career as a forward. There are situations that he doesn't sense the danger quick enough to alter his possition. So at times, he gets caught out. - He does not provide the distribution for the team at the base of midfield. This is key for any top CDM when in possession. He does not offer himself consistent enough as a passing option and lacks the passing range/accuracy to dictate play. - Speed of thought not fast enough. His mental attribute on decision making isn't quick enough to play CDM. The top players at CDM often make decisions before even receiving the ball. So they are efficient with one touch. McT is not. This is not a knock on McT as these attributes are for top CDMs. Scott isn't even a CDM to begin with. I can imagine he'd do a good job for a relegation side that sits deep but not for United. I like McTominay as a personality and a graduate of the academy. But we have been using him as a square peg in a round hole that the Board refuses to fix. |
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Feb 15 2022, 05:05 PM
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Wanna ask: Today, Anyone here will stay awake until 4:15am to watch United vs Brighton game? blissandecstasy liked this post
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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 15 2022, 01:41 PM) level with ndidi on blocks I do agree stats are important, but only if its backed up with the 'eye test'.. better than jorginho in tackles surprisingly high on clearances high fouling rate normally means into the thick of things Many players stats are great, for example Bruno n Rashford.. but the actual game performance on the field is not that good.. Same also can be said for Jorginho at Chelsea, his tackles are lower than McT.. it is because his team keep possession well, can say also partly because of him keeping n recycling the ball well.. City's DM might have lower tackles n blocks stats too.. no one can say they prefer McT over them though.. |
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McT can stay but he can improve. Other than that, Fred has to go. Ok - RR does not even play him so often with Pogba back.
But overall, like statikinetic says so well above, it is the work rate, attitude, and will to win being VERY VERY SORELY LACKING. Without this blind will to win every single pass, tackle, block on an individual basis, it is useless to talk about team work and strategy. Not a single player in MUFC is lacking ability or skill. Its that elite mental level demonstrated best by Keano and Gary Nev. It is not being shown the opposite by Maguire. So no, I aint staying up for this sh!t |
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Feb 15 2022, 05:27 PM
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Feb 15 2022, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Feb 15 2022, 05:05 PM) I'm too old for these early morning games.Being 4am, you might want to sleep early and set your alarm. Then once the game finishes can go for breakfast. QUOTE(silvertoes @ Feb 15 2022, 05:10 PM) I do agree stats are important, but only if its backed up with the 'eye test'.. Was it Xavi who said as a DM if you have to tackle it means you are already positioned wrongly?Many players stats are great, for example Bruno n Rashford.. but the actual game performance on the field is not that good.. Same also can be said for Jorginho at Chelsea, his tackles are lower than McT.. it is because his team keep possession well, can say also partly because of him keeping n recycling the ball well.. City's DM might have lower tackles n blocks stats too.. no one can say they prefer McT over them though.. But he was a DM who preferred to read the game and rely on interceptions. Like Carrick whom you will not see running around putting in tackles & blocks. So to put into context McT's performance at the 6 position, here is another player who played in a double 6 position with Allan in the same weekend. Player cam. |
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 15 2022, 05:31 PM) Was it Xavi who said as a DM if you have to tackle it means you are already positioned wrongly? if im not mistaken Carrick said in his book something like 'at OT when u keep the ball well doing simple passes, no reaction.. when u tackle hard the whole stadium will be roaring'..But he was a DM who preferred to read the game and rely on interceptions. Like Carrick whom you will not see running around putting in tackles & blocks. So to put into context McT's performance at the 6 position, here is another player who played in a double 6 position with Allan in the same weekend. Player cam. its just how the English fans prefer their football that way.. many here prefer McT to not be replaced as well.. i do agree that he can play DM though, only for top 4 battlers la.. to challenge for the title, u need someone better than him.. RalphRatedR liked this post
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Feb 15 2022, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Feb 15 2022, 06:36 PM) Thanks for informing. Dont even know when we have games nowadays. Thats the level of motivation. Sad but true, Many kids nowadays are more interested in watching today Champions League gamesRecord and watch ajelah PSG vs Real Madrid Sporting CP vs Manchester City Nobody cares about United games anymore unless you are a United fan. This post has been edited by MamulaMoon: Feb 15 2022, 07:40 PM blissandecstasy liked this post
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Feb 15 2022, 05:10 PM) I do agree stats are important, but only if its backed up with the 'eye test'.. Stats and numbers will be even more prominent once RR moves upstairs. The new system is up, scouts overhauled, now the club is in recruitment phase to move forward from ole. Even our feeder clubs are being trimmed and there are plans to overhaul them. Many players stats are great, for example Bruno n Rashford.. but the actual game performance on the field is not that good.. Same also can be said for Jorginho at Chelsea, his tackles are lower than McT.. it is because his team keep possession well, can say also partly because of him keeping n recycling the ball well.. City's DM might have lower tackles n blocks stats too.. no one can say they prefer McT over them though.. |
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Feb 15 2022, 07:56 PM
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Feb 15 2022, 08:24 PM
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This video was making the rounds today on a few news platforms. blissandecstasy and and85rew liked this post
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Feb 15 2022, 08:43 PM
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Feb 15 2022, 09:54 PM
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Lukaku still in Manchester WhatsApp group? Can troll Kaw kaw world champions 🤣 blissandecstasy liked this post
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Many United fan channel YouTubers claimed that Dean Henderson is the leaker lol
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