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post Jun 10 2022, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jun 10 2022, 11:53 AM)
doh.gif At that point of time they didn't expect the market to go down so much. Like right now, we also unsure if we already hit the bottom of the market.

Let say Square now which is trading at $78, If were to buy LEAPs Deep-in-the-money Strike $60 expiry 2024. If suddenly Square goes back up to $150 in a year time (which may or may not happen) then The leap option will profit around (the picture below)

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Actually how to see this chart, the one my cursor on shows $5946 (176%) meaning the LEAP can be sold at around $5946? which is 76% profit after minus the expenses?
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dunno what he knows/dunno... he expects to take profit around 40% in 1-2 wks after entry... and i think he got it when i eyeball the chart... dunno if he close it out or not...

click on the cell for the data... assuming no change to iv... call is worth estimated 93.21... 5946 is profit before fees... 176% is roi

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post Jul 3 2022, 12:13 AM

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Hmm, anyone ever Roll option but ended up rolling to wrong date? I was so "Tempted" to roll my CC Upward, but ended up Rolling Upward + 14days away (I didn't realize IBKR automatically choose 2 weeks later when rolling option).

Intended to roll upward and close in the money for extra $$. Myself to blame when i confirm without checking the date.
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post Jul 3 2022, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 3 2022, 12:13 AM)
Hmm, anyone ever Roll option but ended up rolling to wrong date? I was so "Tempted" to roll my CC Upward, but ended up Rolling Upward + 14days away (I didn't realize IBKR automatically choose 2 weeks later when rolling option).

Intended to roll upward and close in the money for extra $$. Myself to blame when i confirm without checking the date.
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as seller... you want it otm... I confuse with your writing...

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post Jul 3 2022, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 3 2022, 06:14 PM)
as seller... you want it otm... I confuse with your writing...
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I bought PLTR at $8.5, and sell it at $8.5 ITM for $0.61 Premium expiry on 1st July.
Then I roll upward to $9 intend to get another $~20 premium, but I ended up roll the option to Strike Price $9, but expiry on 15th July with a debit of $16/contract.

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post Jul 3 2022, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 3 2022, 08:00 PM)
I bought PLTR at $8.5, and sell it at $8.5 ITM for $0.61 Premium expiry on 1st July. 
Then I roll upward to $9 intend to get another $~20 premium, but I ended up roll the option to Strike Price $9, but expiry on 15th July with a debit of $16/contract.
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OK understood...

why 16 debit? sorry today I selow...
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post Jul 3 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 3 2022, 09:59 PM)
OK understood...

why 16 debit?  sorry today I selow...
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That's the difference between the initial option $8.50 (Buy to close) and the new Option $9.00 (Sell to open). sad.gif
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post Jul 3 2022, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 3 2022, 10:08 PM)
That's the difference between the initial option $8.50 (Buy to close) and the new Option $9.00 (Sell to open).  sad.gif
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ah okok... the ori is ITM... so expensive BTC

maybe better just let it called away and start again... anyways thanks for answering

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post Jul 3 2022, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 3 2022, 10:50 PM)
ah okok... the ori is ITM... so expensive BTC

maybe better just let it called away and start again... anyways thanks for answering
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Yup it's ITM, but i ended up BTC and Sell Calls at later date with a loss... which is very bad for me if it can't get assigned at expiry.
Have to see this week performance, who know i might be able to BTC at profit.
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post Jul 10 2022, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 3 2022, 10:08 PM)
That's the difference between the initial option $8.50 (Buy to close) and the new Option $9.00 (Sell to open).  sad.gif
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So far have you made 4 figure yet with options? I'm thinking of getting into it someday.

Just hard to bear the fact need 100 stocks if want to sell options. That is where making money really comes from in options.

If I go into options also would avoid less known stocks. So gonna need higher capital to dabble in it.

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jul 10 2022, 11:49 PM)
So far have you made 4 figure yet with options? I'm thinking of getting into it someday.

Just hard to bear the fact need 100 stocks if want to sell options. That is where making money really comes from in options.

If I go into options also would avoid less known stocks. So gonna need higher capital to dabble in it.
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Actually better to stick to well known stock. More liquidity.
You don't need huge amount of you are doing stuff like iron condor, Bear put spread, bull put spread.
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post Jul 11 2022, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jul 10 2022, 11:49 PM)
So far have you made 4 figure yet with options? I'm thinking of getting into it someday.

Just hard to bear the fact need 100 stocks if want to sell options. That is where making money really comes from in options.

If I go into options also would avoid less known stocks. So gonna need higher capital to dabble in it.
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Nope, it took me two months to recover $400 that i lost on my 1st option trading. laugh.gif but i only have a capital of $4k so it's more on trial and error... Don't even think about earning $100 per week, it maybe possible with higher capital, but as of now. I'm aiming $10/contract/week now. Just to be on safer side before a market crashed. I'm playing wheels, just selling Puts then selling calls and repeat. Have not try buying a Put/Call (other than buy to close)

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post Jul 12 2022, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 11 2022, 09:12 PM)
Nope, it took me two months to recover $400 that i lost on my 1st option trading.  laugh.gif  but i only have a capital of $4k so it's more on trial and error... Don't even think about earning $100 per week, it maybe possible with higher capital, but as of now. I'm aiming $10/contract/week now. Just to be on safer side before a market crashed. I'm playing wheels, just selling Puts then selling calls and repeat. Have not try buying a Put/Call (other than buy to close)
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post Jul 12 2022, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 12 2022, 12:05 AM)
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I wished i have this kind of US when writing Options, which platform is this?
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post Jul 12 2022, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 12 2022, 10:12 AM)
I wished i have this kind of US when writing Options, which platform is this?
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this is tda... it has more useful info when picking strikes, like probability of itm... on ibkr you need to use delta for approximation... tda also gives probability of touch, which shows how likely price will touch the strike... this info is relevant if you have longer dte...

ibkr will show more or less same info as tda after you have selected the strikes...

for now don't sweat what platform to use, instead look into your strategies and how you pick strikes... i go for high probability of success, as seller you want high probability of otm and good balance of premiums... no point getting high premiums which you later have to give back and more... the trade i showed had 70% probability originally, for now gone up to 75%... wink.gif

anyways... point i was trying to make is credit spreads you use far less capital than covered calls whilst still getting good income... and much better roi...

covered calls imho is only useful if you owned the stocks and want to sell it for profit, and instead of putting in a limit order, you sell a call so people pay you while you wait...
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post Jul 13 2022, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 11 2022, 09:12 PM)
Nope, it took me two months to recover $400 that i lost on my 1st option trading.  laugh.gif  but i only have a capital of $4k so it's more on trial and error... Don't even think about earning $100 per week, it maybe possible with higher capital, but as of now. I'm aiming $10/contract/week now. Just to be on safer side before a market crashed. I'm playing wheels, just selling Puts then selling calls and repeat. Have not try buying a Put/Call (other than buy to close)
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yea heard also that wheel strategy is safer when selling options.

LEAP call options is what cause some people to lose massively during this bear market.

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post Jul 14 2022, 07:05 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jul 13 2022, 01:56 PM)
yea heard also that wheel strategy is safer when selling options.

LEAP call options is what cause some people to lose massively during this bear market.
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Safer? Not quite, but i believe the reason why it's safe is because you're doing Options on the stock you wanted to buy/hold. Else, if trading stock that you don't want (Meme Stocks) you might got assigned and put yourself at risk of not able to get it called away from you. I believed all options strategy has their own pros and cons, i like how Iron Condors but i just unsure how to execute it using IBKR Mobile. May do it when i've time, But as of now just Wheel it.

I did some study and knowing what happen last night did has impact with the stock, it's just speculation but i ended up getting little profit from it. I [sell CSP PLTR Strike $9 Expiry 15-Jul] on Tuesday for $17/contract, Yesterday I buy to close for $11, pocket the $6 and re-sell it using the same Strike/Expiry for $17. Now the Option can be close for $10, I might repeat the steps again if i want to.

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post Jul 15 2022, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 12 2022, 12:05 AM)
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prob of taking full premium as of now... 95%... 3dte...

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 15 2022, 08:08 AM)
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prob of taking full premium as of now... 95%... 3dte...
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By the way, for your Options. Do you need to close or just wait for all of it to be expired?

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post Jul 15 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jul 15 2022, 08:48 AM)
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By the way, for your Options. Do you need to close or just wait for all of it to be expired?
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depends

some ppl close out at 25~50% profit... secured profit and faster move to next trade... because of iv crush n decay... the more trades the better

for stocks/futures... best to close paying say 0.05 premium even on 0dte depends on how far away the strike... stocks got afterhours and can go crazy... after expiry ppl have a few hrs to decide on exercising... if you are seller... you can go to bed smiling and wake up homeless... my friend kena

I usually play index so cannot be assigned after expiry... one less problem to worry... I also chart so sometimes close out one of the leg... lol

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