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LoTek
post Feb 2 2023, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 2 2023, 12:20 PM)
What careerr in demand in SG now?
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Dishwasher, manual labour, customer service face to scold, any tough job singaporeans too atas to do.
prophetjul
post Feb 2 2023, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Feb 2 2023, 12:17 PM)
This, and also principal must be hedged against inflation.
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That is a good point! Inflation eats up the principal. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 2 2023, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(raynmann @ Jan 10 2023, 11:02 AM)
disappointing with so much of downfall during covid.... made a dent to retirement saving
anyway, do you guys think rm3.5mil is enuff to survive?

approx 5% returns pa...
age 50
3.5mil x5% PA = RM14,500 PER MONTH
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Enough la, many dont even have 1million also surviving

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 10 2023, 11:20 AM)
Then why are you asking whether Rm14.5k is adequate?
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Need reassurance, give la

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 2 2023, 09:24 AM)
Rm1mil in 30 years is a MERE Rm308k in present terms.
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Pity rm 1million now become 300k also later

QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Feb 2 2023, 09:35 AM)
Good morning to most respected Unker's n Bros.

Where possible don't FI/RE, but embrace API.

API = Always Preserve Income.

Sekian sahaja.
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Preserve income hold tight to your job
Continue working dont stop

QUOTE(LoTek @ Feb 2 2023, 01:33 PM)
Dishwasher, manual labour, customer service face to scold, any tough job singaporeans too atas to do.
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Dirty work gives good money?
How high can it go?must have special skill
Professional then got value
CommodoreAmiga
post Feb 2 2023, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 2 2023, 03:49 PM)
Enough la, many dont even have 1million also surviving
Need reassurance, give la
Pity rm 1million now become 300k also later
Preserve income hold tight to your job
Continue working dont stop
Dirty work gives good money?
How high can it go?must have special skill
Professional then got value
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Point to self. 30 years down the road, I am likely dead(hopefully, don't want to live too long, old and senile and immobilized). I think if can last another 20 years also more than enough. So I am not so worry about inflation. As long as passive income > expenses and DEBT FREE and you have at least 1 paid off property (so you have a roof over your head no matter what), I believe it is absolutely fine.
Inflation eat also never mind lah. So much money for what, cannot bring into coffin also.

In this new era, the key for a long career is to find one which will not be so easily obsolete and replace by AI. Looking at the progress of AI...it is pretty scary. It can even replace jobs once deemed impossible like creating art ChatGPT is really the beginning of SkyNet....it's freaking amazing. I have even asked ChatGPT to write some codes for Commodore Amiga.... So one of the best career which I feel to go now is the AI field.
..you should be behind creating the technology of AI...then you are somewhat save.of termination by SkyNet....
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 2 2023, 04:00 PM)
Point to self. 30 years down the road, I am likely dead(hopefully, don't want to live too long, old and senile and immobilized). I think if can last another 20 years also more than enough. So I am not so worry about inflation. I...then you are somewhat save.of termination by SkyNet....
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Yes inflation is over emphasize to scare people off
Just live within our own capability
Come what may we just face it

If you earn 5-10k being made to feel sad as some earn 50k, then remind self many are earning even lesser than us
Why worry unnecessarily.
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post Feb 2 2023, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 2 2023, 04:11 PM)
Yes inflation is over emphasize to scare people off
Just live within our own capability
Come what may we just face it

If you earn 5-10k being made to feel sad as some earn 50k, then remind self many are earning even lesser than us
Why worry unnecessarily.
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The key to being happy is to live within your means. Target a few nice things in life is fine....but unnecessary luxuries like eating abalone everyday or drive a Lambo is not necessary.

Unker old already eat vege and egg also ok. No need eat so much. Why need so much money and cause stress to yourself. I don't live in my car, drive Proton or Perodua also ok.

I know people who drives big car and probably made more than me, doesn't seems to be happy. I also know a friend who is a high income earner, just live simple life, take MRT to work most of the time. Eat vege and egg healthy lifestyle. But I am pretty sure he has at least a couple of millions more than me.

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post Feb 2 2023, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 2 2023, 04:00 PM)
Point to self. 30 years down the road, I am likely dead(hopefully, don't want to live too long, old and senile and immobilized). I think if can last another 20 years also more than enough. So I am not so worry about inflation. As long as passive income > expenses and DEBT FREE and you have at least 1 paid off property (so you have a roof over your head no matter what), I believe it is absolutely fine.
Inflation eat also never mind lah. So much money for what, cannot bring into coffin also.

In this new era, the key for a long career is to find one which will not be so easily obsolete and replace by AI. Looking at the progress of AI...it is pretty scary. It can even replace jobs once deemed impossible like creating art  ChatGPT is really the beginning of SkyNet....it's freaking amazing. I have even asked ChatGPT to write some codes for Commodore Amiga.... So one of the best career which I feel to go now is the AI field.
..you should be behind creating the technology of AI...then you are somewhat save.of termination by SkyNet....
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Was told these fields should last longer, robotics, machine-learning, AI.

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 2 2023, 04:11 PM)
Yes inflation is over emphasize to scare people off
Just live within our own capability
Come what may we just face it

If you earn 5-10k being made to feel sad as some earn 50k, then remind self many are earning even lesser than us
Why worry unnecessarily.
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Most worry is MYR devalued like some of the MiddleEast countries like Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey. So must park some assets overseas.

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post Feb 2 2023, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 2 2023, 05:43 PM)
Was told these fields should last longer, robotics, machine-learning, AI.
Most worry is MYR devalued like some of the MiddleEast countries like Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey. So must park some assets overseas.
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myr has been devalued steadily in the last 30 years. if gomen policy doesn't change, long term devaluation is likely to continue.

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post Feb 3 2023, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Feb 2 2023, 05:15 PM)
The key to being happy is to live within your means. Target a few nice things in life is fine....but unnecessary luxuries like eating abalone everyday or drive a Lambo is not necessary.

Unker old already eat vege and egg also ok. No need eat so much. Why need so much money and cause stress to yourself. I don't live in my car, drive Proton or Perodua also ok.

I know people who drives big car and probably made more than me, doesn't seems to be happy. I also know a friend who is a high income earner, just live simple life, take MRT to work most of the time. Eat vege and egg healthy lifestyle. But I am pretty sure he has at least a couple of millions more than me.
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cant blame them some need drive big car, eat abalone to be happy....
diffrent people diff belief


QUOTE(MGM @ Feb 2 2023, 05:43 PM)

Most worry is MYR devalued like some of the MiddleEast countries like Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey. So must park some assets overseas.
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people have said that since long ago

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 2 2023, 10:56 PM)
myr has been devalued steadily in the last 30 years. if gomen policy doesn't change, long term devaluation is likely to continue.
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policy wont change
survival of the fittest
those who cant stand it migrate.
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post Feb 3 2023, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 3 2023, 12:04 AM)
Depends on your starting point, if you are born rich, why not stay? It's nice to be rich in Msia
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post Feb 3 2023, 05:43 AM

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Unker simple candle-like FIRE....1. Nice hilly plot, making land productive n enjoy tending beauties. Thankful liao. Unker excited its Friday again.

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post Feb 3 2023, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(NoComment222 @ Feb 3 2023, 01:32 AM)
Depends on your starting point, if you are born rich, why not stay? It's nice to be rich in Msia
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Rich, anywhere also good. Poor, anywhere also no good. Watch some videos on homless people in the US. Better be M40 here than Homeless in the US.
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post Feb 3 2023, 10:36 AM

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just an update from me.

no longer having slim FIRE now. back to work and hustle time.

recently bought a new landed house in KV under pressure by in-laws.

did a mistake by preparing a will and let my wife knows about my total asset. should have just inform my witness on where is the will located.

sometimes, plan cannot goes well in life laugh.gif
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post Feb 3 2023, 10:45 AM

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Ramjade
post Feb 3 2023, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 3 2023, 10:45 AM)
Age of FIRE posters here

1. prophetjul  60
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That's not FIRE. That's retired. Lol.

QUOTE(square2 @ Feb 3 2023, 10:36 AM)
just an update from me.

no longer having slim FIRE now. back to work and hustle time.

recently bought a new landed house in KV under pressure by in-laws.

did a mistake by preparing a will and let my wife knows about my total asset. should have just inform my witness on where is the will located.

sometimes, plan cannot goes well in life laugh.gif
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Shouldn't your wife knows your asset like when you are married ?

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Feb 3 2023, 10:55 AM
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post Feb 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
Shouldn't your wife knows your asset like when you are married ?
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i disclose what i have in unit trust (saja declare if not she will question me how come so old no savings), cash or cash equivalent where there is no risk of losing capital.

stocks/etf i did not disclose to her during relationship. no point to bring this up because it might 1 day in future it might falls below 70% of the value.

another thing is that her family is not savvy/thrifty about finance management. got money then want buy new furniture, go travel etc etc. really can spoil my FIRE plan
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 3 2023, 10:54 AM)
That's not FIRE. That's retired. Lol.
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post Feb 3 2023, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(square2 @ Feb 3 2023, 11:00 AM)
i disclose what i have in unit trust (saja declare if not she will question me how come so old no savings), cash or cash equivalent where there is no risk of losing capital.

stocks/etf i did not disclose to her during relationship. no point to bring this up because it might 1 day in future it might falls below 70% of the value.

another thing is that her family is not savvy/thrifty about finance management. got money then want buy new furniture, go travel etc etc. really can spoil my FIRE plan
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No I meant not in relationship time I meant like when you are officially married she should have a rough idea how much you have right?
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post Feb 3 2023, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 3 2023, 10:45 AM)
Age of FIRE posters here

1. prophetjul  60
2. Commodore Amiga. Older than an Amiga, younger than a Kenbak 1.
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post Feb 3 2023, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 3 2023, 11:19 AM)
No I meant not in relationship time I meant like when you are officially married she should have a rough idea how much you have right?
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well. i would certainly tell her a rough figure with a discount factor of 30%. but since she didn't ask me, i did not tell her.... until i told her where i place the will, and all the accounts statement (unit trust, shares, banks, insurance policies etc etc. i do print year end statement for security). one thing lead to another and voila...

nowadays bursa statement have the total value in ringgit. last time it only shows you how much shares you have without printing the values in it... kinda sucks

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