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post Oct 5 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 4 2021, 10:03 PM)
My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary?

I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you.
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Cheapass No logic, self-entitled boss.

On what ground EPF/SOCSO Must reveal their client privacy to you?

Background Check can go above PDPA Law??????????


U really don't know how to run a team, or be a leader.

i really don't care their last drawn salary.
My offer never based on that.

Could you accept my offer to you, based on my valuation? Yes or no.
You can tell me your last drawn. I wont even bother to verify that.


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post Oct 5 2021, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 5 2021, 02:29 PM)
no.. it's you whom mentioned and talking about ways to dig into their employment history most importantly their last drawn salary. don't twist and turn your words.
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Yes, of course I would want to find out. I want to know if the people which are hired are honest. Sorry but I don't think I would want to work with someone who is dishonest and I think this behavior should stop. These people need to be named and shamed.
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post Oct 5 2021, 02:31 PM

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After reading through the whole thread, i wonder why TS is still posting. Just save yourself from further embarrassment and close the thread.




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post Oct 5 2021, 02:33 PM

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post Oct 5 2021, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:29 PM)
Yes, because there has to be an easy way to screen these worthless people who have no integrity. Yes, this "lying about their salary speaks volumes" is something which is a big issue. Maybe your parents taught you and raised you saying it's fine to lie and that there are no consequences and that's why you think it's fine.
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How pray tell you know if its a lie? Your mutual friend? Salary is P&C right?

So your friend digged out P&C information and told someone outside the organisation?

Tsk tsk tsk, maybe his parents told him its fine to breach confidentiality but you should keep better company. You are the sum of the ppl around you
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:30 PM)
Yes, of course I would want to find out. I want to know if the people which are hired are honest. Sorry but I don't think I would want to work with someone who is dishonest and I think this behavior should stop. These people need to be named and shamed.
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again name and shame? damn... you for one isn't fit to be a leader.

twisting and turning your words in serious /k. Trying to make yourself look better? please. it's you this kind of people which gave the employer's a bad name. An employee who left a company/organization, it's never was because of a company, it's because of ppl like you. Time for you to learn and at least try to be a leader. The last thing you want to do is to poke into people's private matter. if your not hiring move on. It isn't even something for you to be concern off to begin with and yet opening up a thread trying to dig into ppl's history.
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post Oct 5 2021, 02:34 PM

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Tempering pay slips to fool the hiring company? And some of you think it's ok? Come on
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:30 PM)
Yes, of course I would want to find out. I want to know if the people which are hired are honest. Sorry but I don't think I would want to work with someone who is dishonest and I think this behavior should stop. These people need to be named and shamed.
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if headhunter/hr ask for payslip, i will walk away also
its just unprofessional
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QUOTE(Darkspreader @ Oct 5 2021, 02:31 PM)
After reading through the whole thread, i wonder why TS is still posting. Just save yourself from further embarrassment and close the thread.
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All in because the gig is up?

There was that crazy guy got kantoied by mods to have 140 dupes talking to each other. He used an excel sheet to keep track of the identities.

Mental ilness is real here i tell you.The fact he doesnt close the thread or delete off track comments shows he enjoys the attention
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:29 PM)
Yes, because there has to be an easy way to screen these worthless people who have no integrity. Yes, this "lying about their salary speaks volumes" is something which is a big issue. Maybe your parents taught you and raised you saying it's fine to lie and that there are no consequences and that's why you think it's fine.
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Yes, its called checking references and basing your remuneration rate on market range (there is a market range for a reason) , There is glassdoor and other applications that you can base your offered salary on, mind you these are done by surveying remuneration across the nation. Not satisfied? Hire a market research firm to do more market research on the acceptable range of salary for your offer.

Now that you have salary range, you can then offer your potential candidates suitable to the budget that you have been provided.

Instead, what did you do?

You mention you are hirin and because they refuse to give you payslip you decided they must be lying. So why don't just move on to other candidates?

Please don't put words in my mouth , I have never in any parts mentioned that it is acceptable to lie about salary, On the other hand it is illegal to trick your way into obtaining private information such as past pay slip from government authorities by impersonating other people.

Maybe your parents taught you and raised you saying it is fine to resort to illegal means to obtain information about others and that's why you think its fine.

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post Oct 5 2021, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 5 2021, 02:29 PM)
Cheapass No logic, self-entitled boss.

On what ground EPF/SOCSO Must reveal their client privacy to you?

Background Check can go above PDPA Law??????????
U really don't know how to run a team, or be a leader.

i really don't care their last drawn salary.
My offer never based on that.

Could you accept my offer to you, based on my valuation? Yes or no.
You can tell me your last drawn. I wont even bother to verify that.
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Why are you so afraid of background checks? So what if someone does a background check on you? The only reason why you would be so bothered is if you are insecure. I am nice enough to offer them something which is high but they insist that they want more. Now, when someone switches jobs, they get at least 20% - 30% more from what they are getting paid. You don't go 2k this year to 10k next year by switching jobs. Wait, maybe you accept and hire those kinds of people believing that they did get an additional 8k for being brilliant?
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QUOTE(pobox @ Oct 5 2021, 02:34 PM)
Tempering pay slips to fool the hiring company? And some of you think it's ok? Come on
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don't think anyone is advocating for tempering pay slips to fool hiring company.

On the other hand, TS is advocating for obtaining personal 3rd party information through misrepresentation which is illegal.

Choose your battles wisely
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:30 PM)
Yes, of course I would want to find out. I want to know if the people which are hired are honest. Sorry but I don't think I would want to work with someone who is dishonest and I think this behavior should stop. These people need to be named and shamed.
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This coming from a guy who is using his friend to violate the private and confidential information of others. lol...


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post Oct 5 2021, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:36 PM)
Why are you so afraid of background checks? So what if someone does a background check on you? The only reason why you would be so bothered is if you are insecure. I am nice enough to offer them something which is high but they insist that they want more. Now, when someone switches jobs, they get at least 20% - 30% more from what they are getting paid. You don't go 2k this year to 10k next year by switching jobs. Wait, maybe you accept and hire those kinds of people believing that they did get an additional 8k for being brilliant?
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top kek, talk so much about integrity for someone who working 2 jobs behind company back and not honoring company ethic. You wait until /k/ dig information about you and tell both company about this.


https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5169669
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QUOTE(blackamikaze @ Oct 5 2021, 02:39 PM)
top kek, talk so much about integrity for someone who working 2 jobs behind company back and not honoring company ethic. You wait until /k/ dig information about you and tell both company about this.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5169669
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6 ppl use the account. That must be person #5

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TS is trolling everyone in serious /k.
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post Oct 5 2021, 02:41 PM

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Got lampa tell us ur company name la
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Oct 5 2021, 02:34 PM)
How pray tell you know if its a lie? Your mutual friend? Salary is P&C right?

So your friend digged out P&C information and told someone outside the organisation?

Tsk tsk tsk, maybe his parents told him its fine to breach confidentiality but you should keep better company. You are the sum of the ppl around you
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Well, I don't think it is wrong to make an assumption of how much a person makes. I don't see why you are so offended. lol

For example, if a call agent makes a good RM 2k - RM 3k a month, and if you know 10 other people in the team are getting more or less the same amount, then you can more or less know if someone is lying. I don't think it's right to be earning RM 2k and then saying and faking a pay slip which shows 3x more. That is my point. People are so worried about the PDPA breach? Why? Because you don't want people to know the real you. It's that simple. It's not like I am asking for his details to rob him. An offer is being made truthfully but the candidates also need to be honest. The workforce doesn't just pay you intend to earn. Just because you want 30k a month doesn't mean you are going to get if your previous job was only paying you 5k.
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 5 2021, 02:41 PM)
Well, I don't think it is wrong to make an assumption of how much a person makes. I don't see why you are so offended. lol

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You said you know they made less

Key word know

Now assume

Topkek you wanna commit crime for an assumption???

Haha tq for making me laugh lar brother
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post Oct 5 2021, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Oct 5 2021, 02:43 PM)
You said you know they made less

Key word know

Now assume

Topkek you wanna commit crime for an assumption???

Haha tq for making me laugh lar brother
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I am 99% sure they don't make what they stated. lol How about that for an assumption? Okay, maybe 99.9% sure.

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