Pre-pre-announcement?

I would say spec and kit - Everything has a price. You can't satisfy everyone and potentially many will be disappointed that either its too expensive (too much kit) OR too cheap (not enough kit).

Perhaps RS should have it all. And price it accordingly. RM165k maybe?

To overcome chip shortage today - OEM just pay 3x, pay for expedited air freight (used to be ocean), pay for OT, pay for this, pay for that. You get the picture why it *MAY* become 165k or whatever. The chip itself is cheap, perhaps less than 1-2USD per piece. On top of that, in extreme cases auto makers are going for re-certification test, that is redesign and test (which is the worst possible way out) to fit in older, legacy parts or more easily available parts. Perhaps this is why we have 7in vs 10.2in.

In some countries where demand is not high, maybe you can allocate your few pieces of 10.2in there and make a few extra bucks.

I think you are right, eventually it gets better for those who wait. Not the other way around.

6 years ago perhaps ketam only under 120k and then you were still spending 1.5x for the Accord. Things are relative. By the way, we are stuck in this useless discussion about why things are expensive (aka why I can't afford this and that while my neighbour can, wawawa), because we have wondrously capable government system that ensures our RM is ever so competitive, by ensuring that our citizens are ever more competitively skilled, educated, incorruptible and hard-working. This is how a currency (value of a country) appreciates vs USD. In other words we deserve it. The question should be how to work our way out of this mud.

And then D segment also went out of fashion when ppl flocked to the CRV (for now, at 170k) which seems to solve more problems than an Accord. So, OEM's did the smart thing by re-shaping their product tiering a bit...

Personally they need to keep that gap at around 30k / 25% from Civic to the next higher, and 25% above from the lower tier (City). Too different and ka blam, their business models start going out of whack.

The most important thing is are you in (the new Civic) or are you out?

right now, the 1.5T full accord is 150k?
Good job for demand vs supply..

i will be very interested and send you a grab voucher if you can help me find a 150k TCP accord...

For that matter CRV TCP also can. I won't wait for Civic anymore.

Dual zone air con is over rated for small cars like civic. Even big suv i tried, no use. Either both too hot or both too cold.

Usually first Pilot build / first batch engineers will turun padang and fix what can be fixed...so in a sense they built with the knowledge.

Suppliers will send the best screened parts and avoid sending out of spec or near the limit of spec parts. So big boss and leads come, all look great, yield very high.

Its the subsequent batches when champagne corks have been flown, that is when suppliers start to flow in some of their out of spec, or at the limit parts, and then engineers not around, line leaders make split second decisions to use or not use, sometimes trying to maintain production output etc, don't want to line down that is the dangerous one.

And then it takes a few unlucky customers to complain, only then will it flow back to their engineering to investigate and do some corrective action. By then, months have passed, 1000's of finished goods, they will roll the dice and hope no more complaints or just resolve for those who complain.

I won't acknowledge this as my professional comment.

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Dec 15 2021, 04:31 PM

I’ll be surprised if you see the car out before the price and spec sheet….which is what, “Q1”?

At least we have another clue, that civic will not be so near to Mazda 3 in terms of pricing.

As far as I know, there is no Corolla (altis) CKD - we are only doing the Cross CKD.

The effort to stop / down the previous generation Corolla Altis production in Malaysia is actually significant and honestly to re-start it is quite tedious not to mention costly, even for UMW. So I don't think there is any real intentions from UMW toyota on this.....but I can't claim to represent them in any way, its just my own opinion

i was surfing some youtube videos last night, and I *think* the 7in dashboard display does suffer compared to the 10in:
1. Looks like it got no space to give you turn by turn navigation (maybe its not applicable if you're using Waze / Googlemaps / android auto / apple carplay), but possibly only for the built-in Navi.
2. It looks like won't show you your car relative to your lane, and the car in front. I think this is a great feature to have to know your cruise control and emergency brake is running....

But I'm looking at US spec LE vs touring. Perhaps it will be different in SEA / Malaysia version.

All the best guys, caveat emptor.

For those buying RS, what will be the price for you that will make you not go ahead?

I think you answered yourself?

But if the V is 145k, and then E also like 130k,
That is the hard part I guess. Not to mention someone with sources say it will be 160k+ for RS

I’m getting old, If Honda says more than 130k than for ANY version of Civic, then I’ll go with a Corolla / Cross haha.

Double

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Dec 17 2021, 06:32 PM

Haha, my first car was a generation 1 CVCC...a hand me down from my parents...and then when I entered the workforce in 2006 it was my senior's FD that was the subject of everyone's envy...I told my friends I will buy it even second hand....
I suppose time has passed and opportunity didn't arise.

You get the picture that I am a fan. I will give it every single chance.

But alas, I fear that the Cross is the car I need, while the Civic is the car I want. And the Corolla is that ugly compromise of price, feature, spec, safety, space, reliability that I wish I don't have to take.

i sit in many vios up to 110km/h and also tested the corolla with just stock dunlop, didn't notice too much harshness at highway speeds. Maybe my existing cars are also noisy.

Overall I won't be surprised that the new Civic will be MORE expensive than the old one, but I will be very surprised if it decides to compete Mazda 3 instead of Toyota Corolla. Traditionally it has always been cheaper than the Corolla for same tier, and offered more kit at the same time. Nothing should limit it their ambitions or greed of course, just a matter of demand vs supply.

But yeah - The difference in space, is not a lot comparing vios to Corolla. The same can be true when comparing a City to Civic (There is a reason why those two B sedans sell so well).

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Dec 18 2021, 10:57 PM

It’s pretty simple. Honda cannot meet your demand for ketam civic anymore. They’d still like to earn your money, so they holding on to your deposit.

Because they have not launched or finalise the spec and price for the new product there is really no use for either of you to revise the booking receipt today, I guess. I mean if they say yes, today, which particular model / colour / spec / price also they cannot confirm. Neither can you. I’m suppose when the details are final (when the launch or announce or whatever) you can surely update a firm spec for your order.

In the meantime if you don’t want to buy the new model then surely you can cancel your order for the ketam and get back your money. They are just taking your order for granted that you do want the new one. Otherwise they also can’t fulfil the existing one….

So can I kepoh and ask are you going ahead? 😅

The test drive car i sat in had dunlops. I was also very disappointed when looking at it but to be honest it may not make that much difference to me until I really drive it to the limits. Or reach cruising speeds (nothing weird observed).

I think I’m a very low bar kind of ah pek in reality. I just need comfort and some power and plenty of safety with as much space as possible.

Couldnt agree more.

Need to test and be sure. Caveat emptor