No wor.. direct, direct pure, stereo.. subwoofer quiet.

What crossover freq u guys set... 60 or 40hz?

Lfe... 120hz?

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Oct 15 2021, 02:43 PM

using paradigms.

B&W is set #2.


btw, i played some vinyls again with the diff variations.

i start to like the simulated DTS + virtual x!

this gives it a brighter, more punchier sound with a 3D sensation.

perhaps it is due to 10 years of HD 5.1 hitting my ears.

80 is too high, will get too bassy.
Subwoofers meant to produce v low frequencies.
Bookshelfs shud b able to handle 60.
I wud like to set at 50hz but no such choice.

LFE... Below quote:

This is the low pass filter (LPF) setting of the low frequency effects (LFE) channel. ... This is the high frequency cutoff point for the LFE, also known as the . 1 channel in a 5.1/6.1/7.1 surround source. In practice this should always be set to 120Hz since the LFE channel supports information up to that frequency.

that is interesting, gotta read more about it!

why stop at 2.1?

u ada sub, try dts+virtual x 5.1/7.1 la...!

time to quit being stuck in 2.0 of the 60s/70s forever.

but dunno what AVR u hv...?



today, i tested the video side for this denon 3700.

the upscaling 1080p->4K is v good, i mean for full bdmv's.

and if it is in dtsx... set to dtsx+virtual x... like Fate of the furious, jason bourne... vv nice.

the dts height virtualization is not great-great but can hear the diff... feels more like in a cinema.

still waiting on my atmos pair.... i m dying to compare DDtrueHD+atmos with DTShdma+virtual X.

or maybe DTShdma+Neural X is a better comparison?

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Oct 15 2021, 09:43 PM

Thanks, will read... see if i will do audyssey a 3rd round.

Audyssey didnt do a good job with the SW, had to tweak manual.


What avr did u buy?

If u r a purist, the integrated amp for vinvyl stereo sound is fine, v original!

Vinyls, I listen to both original stereo... and simulated surround, some come out v nice, not all.

For digital files, I hv some remastered dts5.1 albums.

these, oòoo.... dts surround, dts dsurround.. can be awesome!


Almost done with the new set up, learned a few new things.

Now, gotta watch some movies n see if they sound diff or the same.

dts music files - some are private upmix, some are genuine studio remix.

try... metallica black album, beatles abbey road 50th anniversary!

black magic woman... think not genuine dts5.1 version.... so, i bought the vinyl Santana Abraxas from Amazon!

this, i agree, should be.

i try a couple of positions.

best i could get is to place on top of my surround speakers which are already wall mounted.. to bounce off the ceiling.

putting on top of front speakers has minimal effect.

hmm... u may be right after all.

after trying all kinds of settings, i now think 80hz for front, center and surround are quite OK... maybe becos i adjusted the SW vol, distance, dB...?

what about the atmos speakers? 80, 100, 120hz?

it can get confusing... too many variations, too many possibilities!!

alright, now that i have completed my 5.1.2 setup and tested the new equipment (Denon X3700H, Onkyo SKH410 Atmos speakers), i'll just summarize:

.. the Denon is good value for money, plentiful features, easy to use, lots of info available online.

.. it is impt to test by trial n error on a few things... audyssey incl... crossover frequencies, vol db, speaker distances, subwoofer vol, atmos speaker positioning, etc.
took me a few days to finally settle on what i hear is best for me.

.. 8K, 4k/8k upscaling... i find the 1080p upscaling to 4k v good for BDMV movies.

.. the atmos pair i have placed on top of the surrounds for upward firing gives a mild 3D-height effect but is audible.
these r tiny speakers for a tiny room but i'm satisfied... now, i think hv a true cinema!

.. i like the many audio output options for any input... DD, DTS +surround, +DSurround, +neural x, rock arena, matrix, etc.
these option surely allow u to find one that will satisfy u for that piece u r playing.

.. my inputs are turntable(phono), media player local playback (hdmi), android box apps (hdmi) and smart ATV tv streaming (optical).

.. i like the internet radio and firmware OTA.

.. i doubt i will use too many of the other features but likely will upgrade to an OLED/DV tv and media player in the next year or 2.

.. on the negative side, i see risk with the main unit w/o the relevant buttons to continue usage if the remote fails; old onkyo has these buttons.

.. the main unit gets a little warmer than i like but is not hot.

overall, a fun few days toying with all that. now, i just want to enjoy it for next 10 years!

https://shopee.com.my/Denon-AVC-X3700H-9.2C...4175.5356439307
https://shopee.com.my/Onkyo-SKH-410-Dolby-A...07430.286123752

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Oct 19 2021, 07:37 AM

a monster!

do write up a summary when all is done for the benefit of others!

not so soon!

now, wanna hear from my fren who's bought a sony A80J oled, see if it's worth it.

then, wanna hear from bro kevinlim about his 6700... maybe i can suggest to this fren!

it can be overwhelming with so many audio terms - DD/DD+/DDTrueHD/DDatmos/DSurround + dts/dts surround/dtsx/dts neural x/dts virtual x.

i m not sure if i understand all of it , but these readings helped:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/...mats-explained/
https://allhomecinema.com/dts-x-and-dts-neu...?id=20017860221
https://rantingsofamadaudiophile.wordpress....ference-part-i/
https://rantingsofamadaudiophile.wordpress....vs-dts-neuralx/

yep, PLII been replaced by DSurround... and true, PLII center speaker vocal was more prominent, v good for "talk-talk drama".

DTS NeuralX is more discrete, more focused; DSurround is more "spatial", perhaps too spatial, i find.

DTS NeuralX vs DSurround - i find which one comes out better depends a lot on the title and available tracks, just have to try them.

DTS VirtualX only comes in w/o ceiling/height/atmos speakers. Once installed for height1, virtual X no more... makes sense, NeuralX wud supersede it.

Auro 2D? i hv not seen this yet.

Ever tried Matrix? This selection can be useful, sometimes it comes out best!



after some reading, i realize why some titles have several audio tracks incl PCM.

i will try later using PCM and see what upmix result for each of the surround options.

this may potentially be better for older recordings...?

This post has been edited by AVFAN: Oct 20 2021, 09:35 AM

bolded... do get the atmos speakers ASAP - they make the diff!

even for the tiny upward firing ones i have, they make a significant diff.

i wud think if u go 4 x ceiling speakers, that wud be awesome.


as for the sub, i also find my new denon better than old onkyo - with a low vol setting, it still produces very pronounced lowest frequencies; i m using a paradigm SW.

one last thing.. from my collection, majority of the BDMVs are in DDTrueHD/Atmos while majority of music videos/concerts are in DTSHDMA.

which mean both Atmos and DTS NeuralX will be used a lot.

great test movie titles - 13 hours Benghazi, Star Trek Into the Darkness, X-Men Apocalypse.

great music/concerts test titles - Scorpions Athens 2013, Hans Zimmer Prague 2017, DTS Demo Music BluRay Collection.

eh... maybe your wires all wrong, out of phase, overloaded...?

and better get yr ears cleaned, checked again?

these rm3K klipsch? looks good!
https://shopee.com.my/Klipsch-RP-500SA-Dolb...58-f5ad03aa573f

ya, after digging, play the best files again.

low grade ones won't give u much, u gotta play those 40-90GB ones.

and yes, as suggested, recalibrate, check all over.

i initially made a mistake with the polarity of the atmos speakers but was identified by audyssey, rectified.

my onkyo skh410 are tiny, cost 1/3 of those klipsch - very mild effect but audible.

my idea was to first try them sitting on top of the front speakers - minimal effect (and my front tops aren't flat).

placed them on top of surround, changed crossover to 120hz - better.

my surrounds are wall mounted. so, the atmos are not too far from the ceiling.

i will decide at some point if i should go from 5.1.2 to 5.1.4.

yep, for those distances, will not be easy to get good effect from front upfiring.

my small room ceiling is only 10ft high.

mlp to surround... 2m or 6+ft.

any development with the fix for full BD menu?

your setup, u playback BDMV 2160p 4K Dolby Vision?

how diff is it vs HDR10?

what about u... how does yr z9z do with BDMV 4k Dolby vision - diff or much like HDR10?


i am quite happy with my new AVR, Atmos... not too early to start planning for 4K Dolby Vision.

bolded - that's good... at least an alternative to get to the menu.

VS10 engine... if it is good, it is supposed to upscale any non DV video to DV... so, over time, u may not notice diff anymore!?

when u purchased the z1000pro, did u consider the z10pro?