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post Oct 15 2021, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 08:36 AM)
-- vinyl audio not as bright/crispy as the onkyo as expected, gets warm (not hot).

which audio mode u r using? try stereo/pure and see and go in tweak the 2 channel listening setting if u havent
Audyssey tends to tame highs for movies.. if u r using movies mode like PL II those mode normally will kill the high unless u do audyssey bypass
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vinyl - tried all the combinations, probably need some tweaking to improve it, will redo when atmos pair arrives.

PLII is only good for AAC2.0... i never use it for HD audio files.. these, gotta select/auto the highest one.

outcome for DD+, DDtrueHD, dtshdma, dtsx are ok, yet to try atmos - still, will recalibrate, tweak again.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 15 2021, 08:46 AM)
vinyl - tried all the combinations, probably need some tweaking to improve it, will redo when atmos pair arrives.

PLII is only good for AAC2.0... i never use it for HD audio files.. these, gotta select/auto the highest one.

outcome for DD+, DDtrueHD, dtshdma, dtsx are ok, yet to try atmos - still, will recalibrate, tweak again.
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yea normally movies will be good post audyssey (we r not comparing with other room correction)
the problem is with music.. i think ur denon remote you can press the red button or yellow button at the bottom to see if that gives u different audio experience

by the way.. silly question.. vinyl stereo ke mono? sweat.gif
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post Oct 15 2021, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 08:58 AM)
yea normally movies will be good post audyssey (we r not comparing with other room correction)
the problem is with music.. i think ur denon remote you can press the red button or yellow button at the bottom to see if that gives u different audio experience

by the way.. silly question.. vinyl stereo ke mono?  sweat.gif
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yeah, those red+yellow buttons give variations... think meant to mimic movie vs pure music.

vinyls are all stereo 2.0.

take a concert originally pressed on vinyl, then digitized to flac or wav, u get just 2.0 audio.

take same concert remastered in dtshdma5.1/ddtruehd + 1080p video - excellent, this, i love! thumbup.gif

playing vinyl set to multichannel mimics the 5.1 audio but is not always nice.


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post Oct 15 2021, 09:43 AM

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this built in phono nice ar?
I remember those days I try before, the sound macam stuck stuck
then have to use external phono then macam a bit better

the 4 color Denon button hor.. ehh kelvin my one also Denon right?
I always can't find something nice there... just set it to auto

@cyclone, I think Neo X more for the audiophile right? since javfan into vinyl, he just need the UHD3000 for his mobies
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 15 2021, 09:16 AM)
yeah, those red+yellow buttons give variations... think meant to mimic movie vs pure music.

vinyls are all stereo 2.0.

take a concert originally pressed on vinyl, then digitized to flac or wav, u get just 2.0 audio.

take same concert remastered in dtshdma5.1/ddtruehd + 1080p video - excellent, this, i love! thumbup.gif

playing vinyl set to multichannel mimics the 5.1 audio but is not always nice.
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vinyls are all stereo 2.0.
lol.. thanks..

yeah, those red+yellow buttons give variations... think meant to mimic movie vs pure music.
if u goes for red it will change the prologic for music.. more audio will goes thru front speaker rather than center centric..
yellow is direct mode
bypassing all the audyssey audio processing (eq i think will not be done according to audyssey setup but not sure abt time alignment) .. subwoofer will not get any lfe signal in this mode

you can long press any of the color button to change to stereo so your music will come from fronts only and your sub will function when u r playing stereo 2.0.. that mode some time sound better on my x2000 brows.gif
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post Oct 15 2021, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:47 AM)
vinyls are all stereo 2.0.
lol.. thanks..

yeah, those red+yellow buttons give variations... think meant to mimic movie vs pure music.
if u goes for red it will change the prologic for music.. more audio will goes thru front speaker rather than center centric..
yellow is direct mode
bypassing all the audyssey audio processing (eq i think will not be done according to audyssey setup but not sure abt time alignment) .. subwoofer will not get any lfe signal in this mode

you can long press any of the color button to change to stereo so your music will come from fronts only and your sub will function when u r playing stereo 2.0.. that mode some time sound better on my x2000  brows.gif
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there are mono vinyls too....... so not all are 2.0
if I'm not salah la hahah
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:43 AM)
this built in phono nice ar?
I remember those days I try before, the sound macam stuck stuck
then have to use external phono then macam a bit better

the 4 color Denon button hor.. ehh kelvin my one also Denon right?
I always can't find something nice there... just set it to auto

@cyclone, I think Neo X more for the audiophile right? since javfan into vinyl, he just need the UHD3000 for his mobies
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ada auto meh? why i cant recall? hahaha if auto means PLII then in most of the case ur music denon wont know is music because its same like tv / youtube that send 2.0 signal in and it will apply PL II logic into to change it to movie sound.. which i dun like for music as its center speaker centric
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:43 AM)
this built in phono nice ar?
I remember those days I try before, the sound macam stuck stuck
then have to use external phono then macam a bit better

the 4 color Denon button hor.. ehh kelvin my one also Denon right?
I always can't find something nice there... just set it to auto

@cyclone, I think Neo X more for the audiophile right? since javfan into vinyl, he just need the UHD3000 for his mobies
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in the days before video killed the radio star and when things were simple, it was common to do a TT->preamp->power amp->speakers - u get great sounds.

now, i try to minimize the hardware... just plug in the phono input.

UHD3000... will take some time to evaluate, probably a toss up between a zidoo and a dune.
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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:47 AM)
vinyls are all stereo 2.0.
lol.. thanks..

yeah, those red+yellow buttons give variations... think meant to mimic movie vs pure music.
if u goes for red it will change the prologic for music.. more audio will goes thru front speaker rather than center centric..
yellow is direct mode
bypassing all the audyssey audio processing (eq i think will not be done according to audyssey setup but not sure abt time alignment) .. subwoofer will not get any lfe signal in this mode

you can long press any of the color button to change to stereo so your music will come from fronts only and your sub will function when u r playing stereo 2.0.. that mode some time sound better on my x2000  brows.gif
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thanks for info, will be playing! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 15 2021, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:48 AM)
there are mono vinyls too....... so not all are 2.0
if I'm not salah la hahah
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hah... that is true, but i dun hv any of these. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:52 AM)
ada auto meh? why i cant recall? hahaha if auto means PLII then in most of the case ur music denon wont know is music because its same like tv / youtube that send 2.0 signal in and it will apply PL II logic into to change it to movie sound.. which i dun like for music as its center speaker centric
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i think by default it is auto, will play the highest audio stream if multi tracks; or just direct, stereo if single track 2.0.

PLII will only kick in if u select it, right?

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post Oct 15 2021, 09:56 AM

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the last I tried, one is direct then auto on the yellow
direct sounded quite bad, then when I toggle the auto, it becomes stereo

is zidoo UHD2000 a new product?
shows new launching on the site, can even do 512 DSD

damnn

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post Oct 15 2021, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 15 2021, 09:55 AM)
hah... that is true, but i dun hv any of these. biggrin.gif
i think by default it is auto, will play the highest audio stream if multi tracks; or just direct, stereo if single track 2.0.

PLII will only kick in if u select it, right?
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yup maybe u r right.. for my sound mode for movies i had change it to PL II. So when my 2.0 signal come in then it will become PLII. I think if i left it with stereo next time 2.0 come in it will pick up stereo. And yes u r right, for multichannel track system will picks up automatically, HDMA ka, DTSMA ka automatically will pick up.

It wont be direct because that defeat the audyssey purpose, only when u press the direct button only will become direct and audyssey got cancel. So if direct mode sound better than Audyssey callibration for movies.. sometime it means the audyssey callibration screw up d..

as long as when u r playing 2.0 music the display shows Stereo that is something that worth trying.. then switch it to direct mode and compare and see if ur music sound better
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 09:56 AM)
the last I tried, one is direct then auto on the yellow
direct sounded quite bad, then when I toggle the auto, it becomes stereo

is zidoo UHD2000 a new product?
shows new launching on the site, can even do 512 DSD

damnn
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macam neo X newer ba.. UHD2000 is movie centric.. i think i was discussing with AVFAN about these series couple years back..

direct sounded quite bad, then when I toggle the auto, it becomes stereo
like that ur audyssey callibration shd done a pretty good job.. OR u prefer bass from subwoofer from stereo that gives u impression stereo > direct thumbup.gif
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post Oct 15 2021, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:04 AM)
macam neo X newer ba.. UHD2000 is movie centric.. i think i was discussing with AVFAN about these series couple years back..

direct sounded quite bad, then when I toggle the auto, it becomes stereo
like that ur audyssey callibration shd done a pretty good job.. OR u prefer bass from subwoofer from stereo that gives u impression stereo > direct  thumbup.gif
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yes, direct was horrible

at least need stereo, but cant get it to do 2.1

was reading the UHD2000 using ess9038 ler, then some audio thing, and DSD512 capability
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post Oct 15 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:11 AM)
yes, direct was horrible

at least need stereo, but cant get it to do 2.1

was reading the UHD2000 using ess9038 ler, then some audio thing, and DSD512 capability
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Is the uhd2000 newer than uhd3000?

What main diff? I hv not started reading yet. biggrin.gif

But i like the 2 sata bays, nice and neat.
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post Oct 15 2021, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 15 2021, 10:33 AM)
Is the uhd2000 newer than uhd3000?

What main diff?  I hv not started reading yet. biggrin.gif

But i like the 2 sata bays, nice and neat.
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not too sure, I suddenly notice ada

https://www.hifi4sale.net/t80234-zidoo-uhd2...dia-player-used

this player very Dune feel of those years, solid product
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post Oct 15 2021, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:11 AM)
yes, direct was horrible

at least need stereo, but cant get it to do 2.1

was reading the UHD2000 using ess9038 ler, then some audio thing, and DSD512 capability
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stereo shd play 2.1 bro.. direct tak de.. only 2.0 saja

ess9038.. can play mqa shit also icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 15 2021, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:40 AM)
stereo shd play 2.1 bro.. direct tak de.. only 2.0 saja
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elek bro, I press info only the 2 speakers ada transmission
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:44 AM)
elek bro, I press info only the 2 speakers ada transmission
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wait a later i check my denon stereo info during my lunch.. flex.gif

the last time when i wrote to SVS.. this is the reply from Ed.


Ed Mullen (SVS)

Jul 10, 2020, 10:09 AM EDT

Direct/Pure Direct will disable bass management, turn-off the subwoofer, and force the speakers to Large (full-band).

Stereo will retain bass management and allow the subwoofer to work.

Depending on the model AVR, some of them have a separate 2-channel stereo set-up menu found under manual set-up. If your AVR has this, make sure the bass management settings under that menu are the same (small/80 Hz).
Best regards,

Ed Mullen, PE
Director - Technology and Customer Service
SVS | Specialty Technologies
877.626.5623
custservice@svsound.com

But let me clarify once more.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 15 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 15 2021, 10:49 AM)
wait a later i check my denon stereo info during my lunch..  flex.gif

the last time when i wrote to SVS.. this is the reply from Ed.


Ed Mullen (SVS)

Jul 10, 2020, 10:09 AM EDT

Direct/Pure Direct will disable bass management, turn-off the subwoofer, and force the speakers to Large (full-band).

Stereo will retain bass management and allow the subwoofer to work.

Depending on the model AVR, some of them have a separate 2-channel stereo set-up menu found under manual set-up.  If your AVR has this, make sure the bass management settings under that menu are the same (small/80 Hz). 
Best regards,

Ed Mullen, PE
Director - Technology and Customer Service
SVS | Specialty Technologies
877.626.5623
custservice@svsound.com

But let me clarify once more.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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What different between Direct & Pure direct mode? Direct still got Audyssey EQ working??
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Heard it somewhere the Z9X raises black levels on Dolby Vision playback.

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