Like Hun said, that would definitely be an adult and untamed.



Ofcourse they wont be loitering around, they're nocturnal, so they spend their day sleeping.

I have no restriction on people buying an adult glider, because they need a good home too... But only if you trust yourself for having a lot of patience in taming and bonding with them. And only if you are clear of the consequences you are getting yourself into.

Taming and bonding with an adult glider takes a LOT of time, a LOT of patience and persistancy. It could take months or even years to tame them.

For all I know, NOT many of our local people are willing to do that. Somehow we seem to have less patience and give up easily.



They're colony animals, they live best in pairs of any sex or groups. They thrive on companionship.

Yes, 2 males will fight over 1 female unless both the males are neutered.

2 female and 1 male will only encourage breeding (again, unless you have the male neutered) plus there are chances when 1 female has joeys in the pouch the other will attempt to steal or kill the joey. It happens even in the wild, but they can run all they can since the wild is such an open space, however, they can't if they're in a cage and most likely injury or death can happen.

Sorry Hun, I am not against people getting 2 gliders at once, infact I would now prefer it that way because I have seen that companionship is really important to them and also that taming 2 gliders takes the same effort as taming one, but with a slight one to one at a time.

Taming and bonding with 2 gliders CAN be achieved successfully and almost at the same rate of taming 1 glider with the right method



Yes, do learn more about suggies and understanding atleast the basics before getting one.

Feel free to ask if you are unsure of any of your findings


KP

Oh yeah, taming 2 gliders at once does not apply for the adult ones, sorry forgot to mention that. Cuz adult gilders need more attention and care, they need to be separated and gain their trust one by one.

I know what you mean by people not doing it the right way, I've seen and know some of these people.

Actually it is very easy. When you get 2 gliders at once, they can be kept in the same cage and have each other companionship, but when it comes to bonding or interacting with them, you must concerntrate one at a time, not with both at once.

And yeah, you've had both types in hand, getting 1 or 2 at once.

I guess it still depends on the new owner-to-be punya effortlah... With gliders it's all about the effort, patience and persistance


KP

I think 2 untamed adults is way worse lah...

They will definitely need to be separated to gain their trust.

However, if you have 1 tamed adult and another untamed adult, most likely the tame one will help you teach or tame the untamed one

Haha, sounds like a tongue twister pulak...


KP

Eh, sorry-sorry, I pm you


KP

Yeap, still remember Iggy teaching Luna how to jump to me

Now all cramped up sleeping in the pouch and with me at work. Later I'm going for an outdoor shoot summore, they'll have to follow lah

Glad they like the stuf Ooo, if you can take a pix of them playing in the tunnel, I would love to post 'em up in the suggiestuf thread Will open a post for pixs of our suggies and the stuf


KP

What do you mean by that?

How many do you intend to keep?



Such a sad case for the gliders there

Those sellers are totally idiots and dumbass!

Pity the gliders



No, better let them eat the fruits themselves. They are not toothless babies. They can chew by themselves. Giving too much liquid food will only spoil their teeth as they will not be of good use.

Let her eat and chew the food by herself lah.



Welcome!

Do continue reading and research first before deciding on one.

You are free to ask if you do not understand or are confused of anything



1st page already said NO cat food!

You give cat food especially Whiskas, I will personally go and shoot you.

Whiskas or Friskies are such sucky cat foods lah.

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Updates on Iggy...

By now he is doing very well (not that he hasn't ). Tomorrow marks one week since the surgery and I'm positive that it's healed

He's still musking as usual cuz from what I've learned, it will take appx. 1 month for the hormones to completely diminish... Can't wait for his bald spot to disappear and he'll definitely be more handsome

Glad he's okay and recovering very fast. Proofs that it's true that gliders are such resilient animals


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Oct 5 2007, 09:09 AM

When you get 1 or 2 first, see how it bonds and see how you care for them.

Cuz I can tell you, having more than 2 is really a hand full unless you have all the time in the world or is really dedicated (I'm talking 10 years dedication here not just a year or 2).

Have patience a wait for the people who are trying to help you.

Anyway, have never known any petshops in sri petaling. Or do you mean petaling street?

KP

Basically you gotta search yourself at the pet shops lor, so many places lah.

But I must say that those places will either sell adults (mostly untamed) or joeys which are all under aged. None of our pet shops sells sugar glider in a decent condition...

It's better to seek for home breeders or trusted forumers to guide you

KP

Peaceretro,

Yeah, unfortunely flea market like uptown danau kota & even damansara are selling sugar glider joeys

Sadly, they are in very poor condition as in they are sold under aged, kept in small cages and given the wrong diet. Furthermore all the advise given to potential buyers are totally crap...

I think selling pets at flea markets are just plain stupid. Those people are just selling for money and have no experience at all.

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Reanne,

Yeah, I'm proud of my Iggy boy! He is doing just great I'm glad that he's safely neutered

Wahh, Dakota sleep till like that huh Memang syiok habis!

Haha, yeah color contrast can always be seen with adult gliders and joeys.

But how come Hun can keep Kiah so clean even when she's all grown up?

I still haven't ever bathe Iggy & Luna myself, last time it was Hun jugak that did it. I guess I'd rather take them to Hun's Suggie Spa ley

So when is the opening Hun?


KP

They're still in one family.

Mahogany Gliders are endangered species already.

Squirrel Gliders, some people in the US do keep them as pets, they are bigger in size than Sugar Gliders but has very similar looks.


KP

malboy98,

Nope, unfortunately keeping gliders here in Malaysia does not need a permit or license.

And nope, they are not endangered species.

However, the care and maintenance is very important in keeping a glider, so do be well prepared before getting them.

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Haizzz, kesian also kesian, but we can't do anything.

Just going there to watch or see them in such condition is heartbreaking especially when knowing the fact that you can't do nothing to help.

Out of pouch joeys does not have wet furs, it could be wet because of something else or the conditioned they are kept in.

Damn, if only I could burn those shop down (ofcourse I'll free the animals first and lock the owners inside )


KP

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Added on October 9, 2007, 10:20 amA message from Iggy



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Iggy being curious or I'd like to say, kissing the camera



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Finally, another Iggy's curtain adventure...



Enjoy!


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Oct 9 2007, 10:23 AM

Thanks!

That's my heartthrob

Haha.

Mine is not a joey anymore. And I did not get mine as a joey, I got him when he is already sub-adult.

He had no proper human bonding, thus was fierce and crabby bugga.

Yes, he has bitten me till bleeding countless times.

Following the glider rule book, I take the bite to show that I mean no harm to him.

His fierce biting and crabbing attitude lasted for the first 2-3 weeks only.

Although he will still bite if he really dislikes something or at fear, he is now the sweetest glider I've ever had


KP

Gliders in general recovers really fast.

He has been up and running like that even on the night after the surgery itself...


KP

Haha, I'm using a normal digital camera only, Nikon L3.

Then a bit of adjustment and cropping using Photoshop

I wish could use a Digital SLR so that can use high shutter to capture movement.

They move a lot lah, always also get blur2 pixs. Those are the better ones only


KP

Thanks Kikiz

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Most adult glider will have brownish belly due to musking and pee stain.

When joey nice and white, but it will not remain the same when they grow later.

So you have to love them as they are.


KP

Haha, it's very difficult to get them still just to scrub the belly.

If you are able to do so, sure a lot of people will queue out your door.


KP

It is not advisable to bathe gliders as their fur is really-really water absorbent.

If bathing is needed, one must do it very-very quickly in less than 2-3 mins possible and dry them up very-very fast.

Drying method is also tedious as you cannot use a hairdryer on them because it can burn their sensitive ears.

So if you do not know how, best not to at all. There is a case where a glider actually drowned and died

You can always use baby wipes for minor wiping and cleaning.


KP

Still got pix, better than nothing

Do you use the auto flash?

I don't really like too, but if not using flash, will become very blur.

By now they are used to it already, whenever flash, they'll give me this big googly eye look like "oii"...



Adult male gliders will become botak if you do not neuter them. This is because they have a scent gland on their forehead which will cause the fur to drop off easily.

That is why you have to learn everything about gliders before getting them and love them as they are, with botak head, yellowish belly and sometimes smelly butt



Yes, gliders are not cheap because they are exotics not like hamsters.

I wish they could've cost more infact.

They can also live up to 10-15 years, so RM300 is nothing if you divide by 10 years lah.

Yes, they are very fast and must never be left roaming/exploring without supervision, unless you don't mind losing them.

Yes, they are active when they are awake and need lots of space to move around and glide. If they go missing or hiding, it will surely take you some time to find them and lotsa luck.



NEVER TRUST A BREEDER OR SELLER THAT SAYS KEEPING GLIDERS ARE EASY - PERIOD!

Please, please, please look up more and do proper research before getting them.

Do you have a sound understanding about gliders?

Do you have the time for them?

Do you have the patience to bond or train them?

Do you have the space for them? (Because they will need a big cage)

Are you able to prepare fresh foods for them late at night and early mornings? (This is their feeding time as they are nocturnal creatures)

Do you know their diet?

These are some of the things to ponder.

If you need to learn more or know about anything, please feel free to ask and we will try and help you the best we can.


KP

Regarding bathing, we have just discussed about in in the few post above. Do read up a bit and prove that reading or doing research is not something boring for you because there is plenty of stuff you need to read and research about suggies before getting them

No, they don't poo or pee like cats/dogs, they basically do it wherever or whenever they want and that includes on you.

No, they cannot be chained or harness or tie anything what so ever onto them. Free movements are important to them. However if you have a well bonded/trained suggie, they will be able to return to you when you call or when they are done playing/exploring.

Cage, bottle and such varies on where you get them and such. But bear in mind they cannot be kept in small hamster cages, their cages need to be big and tall with a minimum of 3 feet (H) x 2 feet (W) x 2 feet (D), bigger is always better.

Food is the most important and crucial part as their diet needs extra care in detail. Freshly prepared foods are a must everyday. So you need to be prepared to dedicate your time in preparing their meal at least twice a day according to their feeding time.

For more regarding their diet, please refer to the diet section in the 1st page of this thread, I have compiled everything as detailed as possibly can.


KP

Do read up on the first page information and do more research before jumping in with that question.

Cute as it is, you need to understand a lot of things before keeping one.

Furthermore NO sales discussion is allowed in any of the forum thread. For sales and such, please go to the garage sales.


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Oct 10 2007, 04:23 PM