As far as I have seen/searched, I have never came across 150ml/1 cup of honey. It's either half a cup or quarter only.
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Mind telling me which recipe you used and where you found it?
As far as I have seen/searched, I have never came across 150ml/1 cup of honey. It's either half a cup or quarter only. KP |
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I've searched again on leadbeater's mix, still no 150ml. All half cup only.
I dunno, to me if cup, it's those cup size lah, not mug or bowl size, so half a cup should be little only, less than 100ml wor. KP |
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Thanks for the clarification Taipan
However, in some of my recent findings, some of the McPhearsons stuff is outdated and some of her statements contradict with most good breeder nowadays Have a safe trip   KP |
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QUOTE(vincent09 @ Sep 19 2007, 05:18 PM) My Ah Pit look like don't drink water from the bottle, is it anything can do to attract Ah Pit drink from there? I didn't change the bottle but just didn't drink water from there.  Sometimes it is very hard for us to catch them drinking water because they also get water/juices from the fruits they eat. Those hanging water bottles (like for hamsters) are the best. Don't give them water in an open bowl, it will easily get contaminated by their poo & pee. Some people worry that they do not know how to drink from the bottle or do not know where to find the water, this is a WRONG information. Any animal can smell and tell where there is water. Don't worry about them not drinking lah, unless you try and sit in front of the cage for 24 hours without moving, I'm pretty sure you can see her drink. KP |
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Yeah, watermelon has lots of juices, so their would obtain liquid from there.
I always catch my glider drinking after taking a dry meal like mealworms or their dried fruit treats. I guess when the food given is dry, they'll know when to look for water KP Added on September 20, 2007, 9:55 amI wish to clarify the misconception of "it is difficult to bond with 2 gliders at once". A lot of people have came up and given this as a reason for not getting 2 gliders at once. I have read in a few resources that this is untrue. So today, I'd like to share a very-very good explanation on this quoted from Lisa of Suncoast Sugar Gliders "...misconception about glider bonding. Many are under the impression that if you get more than one glider, it will be harder to bond with multiple gliders. It is probably the most common objection I hear when I tell people that gliders are best kept in at least pairs, and is simply not the case. Just know that multiple gliders can be bonded with as easily as or even more easily than single gliders. You do have to "divide and conquer" to make it happen faster. What I mean by this is work with them one on one so that a relationship is developed between each glider and each person. From the experiences others have shared with me over the years, I often hear of single gliders bonding very slowly and acting fearful for time periods longer than we would normally expect. But think about it. In addition to a new home and new people, which is a scary proposition for most new pets, you've also added separation anxiety into the mix of stresses. Gliders are made by nature to have companions around the clock. They do not understand being alone and this can freak them out. With a companion, they will naturally feel more at home, as this is the most natural way for them. The more we can honor the nature of the animals we bring home to live with us, the better the experience will be for both human and animal." KP This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Sep 20 2007, 09:55 AM |
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Sep 20 2007, 03:44 PM) is ok. but if u are getting it, get those with small small 'bowl' one, so it won't polutted with the poo and pee. hehe.... ooo.. crazymouse, thanks ya. but one more things that i not understand, isn't that glider in nature get honey is those raw honey? since no one cook for them?  .... but why the internet writer suggested not give them raw honey?Trust me, as long as it is a bowl, it will get contaminated even tho it is small. Try yourself and see, the next day, you will find the water clouded already. And you have to change the water everyday. Everywhere also if you search will recommend water bottle over bowl, why do you still wanna use a bowl? Where in the net or research that you find they feed on honey in the wild? In the wild, they feed on tree saps and gums, fruits and insects, NO honey liao. How the heck are suggies suppose to get the honey from the bee hive? They'll get stung by millions of bees and definitely won't survive dey.  KP ----- QUOTE From Wiki :Its diet varies considerably with both geography and the changing seasons, but the main items are the sap of acacias and certain Eucalyptus, nectar, pollen, and arthropods. QUOTE From Suncoast : Sugar gliders eat manna in the wild. Manna is a crusty sugar left from where sap flowed from a wound in a tree trunk or branch. Gliders also consume honeydew, which is an excess sugar produced by sap sucking insects. Honeydew and fresh fruits are considered good substitutes for the sap, manna and honeydew free ranging sugar gliders eat naturally in the wild. QUOTE From Pet Education : In the wild, sugar gliders eat blossoms, flower nectar, sap from eucalyptus trees, acacia gum, and insects. QUOTE From Glider University :What Do Gliders Eat In the Wild? According to a year-long study by A.P. Smith, (Diet and Feeding Strategies of the Marsupial Sugar Glider in Temperate Australia, Journal of Animal Ecology, 1982, Volume 51, pp 149-166), gliders living in a small patch of forest consisting of eucalyptus and acacia in Victoria, Australia, maintained a general diet (obtained from observation, as well as examination of faecal matter and autopsy of collected gliders), which varied seasonally in this manner: Spring and Summer: Moths and beetles that have larval stages and adult stages that shelter in foliage. Fall and Winter: Acacia gum and eucalypt sap. It is interesting to note that insects were preferred over gums and saps in the spring and summer, in spite of the fact that gums and saps are most plentiful in spring and summer. In addition to the above, small amounts of honeydew, manna, and pollen were found. According to the study, feeding activity was classified into one of five categories: 1. Acacia gum feeding 2. Eucalypt sap feeding 3. Eucalypt bark stripping 4. Eucalypt branch licking 5. Foliage gleaning or searching When identifying the faecal samples obtained from the gliders in this area, some of the following items were identified: 1. Soft bodied caterpillars 2. Beetle larvae 3. Moths 4. Abdomens of large beetles The Australian acacia gums are similar to commercially produced gum arabic. Acacia gum is a very important carbohydrate source, and gliders are able to digest about 90% of the gum. Gliders spent about half their time (43%) feeding on gum. Gliders also fed on sap from the E. bridgesiana eucalyptus tree by chewing the sides of the wound on the tree and eating some of the bark with the sap. In the summer, only 12.5% of the faeces collected contained bark, compared to 94% in the winter. Pollen is relatively high in protein if gliders are able to digest it. It was not found in faecal samples, but in the stomach of a collected glider. Perhaps the absence of it in the faeces would indicate that gliders may be able to digest pollen. Honeydew, an excess of sugars excreted by insects, was also found in abundance in the faecal remains in the summertime, but dramatically dropped in the winter. Manna, which is formed when sap from the trees comes in contact with insect saliva, was also another food source. Gliders spent time in the summer by chasing insects through the foliage and ingesting them, as well as searching for insects by stripping the bark off the trees. Gliders may eat insects in spring and summer to satisfy their protein requirements. It is important to note that while insects were the food of choice in spring and summer, they don't satisfy the minimum energy requirements for sugar gliders. The importance of gums and saps in the glider diet is obvious. Even during the summer, gums and saps are used for energy, and in winter, they are the staple of the glider wild diet. Where got honey??  KP This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Sep 20 2007, 05:07 PM |
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QUOTE(vincent09 @ Sep 20 2007, 08:24 PM) Anything can attract suger glider for call them back? Food, fruits like no work. Like Hun said, if your glider is bonded to you, they will come back to you once they are done playing or exploring. Sometimes when thay are still exploring, they will not want to come back yet. That's my glider's case, he'll come back once he's done playing and exploring. QUOTE(vincent09 @ Sep 20 2007, 11:32 PM) Oh yea about juice for sugar glider, if i use those apple make juice and give Ah Pit drink is it ok? Or outside got sell those non sugar juice?? Yeah, you can give them those fruit juice without added sugar or preservative for them to drink once in a while. QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Sep 21 2007, 12:45 AM) p/s: chika take a dive in my milo . and he refuse to be clean .. how ar ? Haha, Chika so funny lar  The only glider I know that likes water.Mebbe he likes the sweet smell of Milo, that's why he doesn't want you to clean him  KP Added on September 21, 2007, 10:22 amIn response to that whoever idiotic person, QUOTE no.. they like dog food very much... i dun means tat givin them dog food as main food... but u hav 2...choose the dog food tat hav high clusium... n dog food can help them to gesek their teeth... honey is just 4 snack...not main food also... main food is fruit...mealworm...n etc... dun miss understanding... It's not that they like dog food, but they will mainly eat whatever you as owner give them. Although they eat it, they do not know the nutritional value of the food or if it can cause harm to them. Only the owner with brains can tell. So despite knowing that dog foods are not good for them, yet you still give it, shows how much you really care towards your glider - NIL. For calcium, don't rely on dog/cat food, the calcium content is too little to compare to actual calcium supplement. As good owners, we get them actual calcium supplement, NOT dog food. Who the heck told you gliders need to "gesek" their teeth? They are not even close to hamster or gerbil family! If they so need to "gesek" their teeth, why would they get "lumpy jaw" condition if they eat too much hard food?? And please tell me you know what is "lumpy jaw" condition... Yeah, whatever lah you wanna give them honey as snacks, as long as it is not raw honey and not too much of it. It can cause diarrhea to a glider, plus honey is a heaty substance, even more heaty than durian. Try consuming a lot of honey yourself and see what happens... KP This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Sep 21 2007, 10:23 AM |
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QUOTE(vincent09 @ Sep 21 2007, 10:23 AM) Hmm are you guys let your sugar glider at living room explore or outside house? Maybe need give some toy let Ah Pit play when she coming out, because my living room just got chair, table and big spacing floor, nothing to Ah Pit jump just always run at floor and go kacau the rabbit...... Hope she won't jump into my Bo Chai storage box there Seems like your glider is a crawler type then. Your glider is not fully bonded, you wanna let it go outdoors? Nanti she lari, gone case... We let our gliders explore mostly in our house, when outdoors we just let them out for a while and with close supervision. KP |
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Sep 21 2007, 01:24 PM) Honey is heaty? Aiyoh, my mom kept saying to me honey is cooling and ask me minum banyak banyak when I'm sick LOL. Ehh, already told you before right about honey is heaty... Remember when we were discussing about the diarrhea? Furthermore, people say, if you eat honey, then you eat watermelon, it can cause death... Why? Because honey is heaty and the watermelon is cooling, it can some sort create sudden death... I don't really believe that 100%, but I can't find anyone who'd wanna try that I think when you sick, you drink honey, it's not about the cooling but the heat that will help reduce the fever... Like when you're sick, you need to keep warm right? Not being blasted in an air conditioned room KP |
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QUOTE(dai86 @ Sep 21 2007, 11:37 PM) the bowl, not really a bowl lah... how to say leh??? the open place is just a big as five cents, and the water bottle is flowing down to the small open place, they only can lick the water, can't play with it. i post a pic next time. hehe... i using it cause last time my slimmy don't like to drink from the normal bottle, maybe he lazy... sweat... then i found out he like to lick the water on my finger (mostly when handling them, i will wash their food bowl etc and finger is wet) then i starting put 'real' water bowl, and as what discuss earlier, they get wet playing with the water, then i found that 'bottle + bowl'. haha.... quite usefull lah. cause i am using some mineral for small mammal which need to add into water, so i will put it with that 'bowl bottle', then will put nomal water in the normal bottle. and ya, another thing i wanna ask... u guys glider's ear is like elf one right? pointed end... why my fatty is round? haha....... That type of drinking container got so small meh, to fit in the cage? Izit those reptile ones? How round is your fatty's ear? Post a pix lar I don't think suggie ear are as pointed as elves ears... KP |
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QUOTE(broken_string @ Sep 24 2007, 12:26 PM) my joey suddenly become quite "berselera" to eat after i bring him back to my hometown. i feed him quite a big chunk of apple around 1130 before i went to bed. but he will hiss until i wake up at 3am and feed him another round, after that at 8am again he wake me up again to feed him. everytime i feed him, i feed till he refuse to eat only i stop but duno why he so fast hungry again at my hometowm compare to at kl not only his appetite increase, he started to smell different from when he is at kl but only when i bring him close only can smell it, is it he need a bath or cleaning? my hometown is quite hot compare to my place at kl, is it due to the heat?If he's eating while away in your hometown, that's good. Mine would eat less if bring him back my hometown, he knows a different place, so he has less "selera"... My hometown also was quite hot that time, pity him, I leave the fan on for him in the room The smell could be the heat or that he's growing KP |
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Haha.
My glider used to sleep with all four feet spread up in the air cuz it was too hot. And he even slept like dead That's why even without anyone in the room, he gets the fan all to himself KP |
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QUOTE(freakfingers12 @ Sep 26 2007, 04:02 PM) I was wondering...can I feed my sugar gliders tofu? Tofu is not good for them. A few US breeders has actually tried them and later on found some article regarding tofu which made them stop including tofu in their diet. KP |
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QUOTE(flora02 @ Sep 26 2007, 07:25 PM) by the way, my glider loves watermelon, honeydew, and rock melon.... somemore the newspaper will be WHOLE WET in the morning, is this means they pee alot when eating this fruits? hahaha funny la  Those 3 fruits all all watery type, ofcourse they pee more You can alternate watery fruits with normal ones like apples, pear, mango, etc. You'll see the difference. QUOTE(broken_string @ Sep 26 2007, 11:08 PM) my joey claws is getting longer and my hand starts to have hairline scratches after playing with it. need to cut or juz leave it ? You can cut it. It's a bit tricky when you first learn to, but it'll be very easy once you have mastered it. All you need to cut it the very bit of the sharp tip, not much at all Most suggie owners will cut their nails every week QUOTE(hackerzx @ Sep 27 2007, 01:50 AM) me oso..just ignore it for a while..need special tools to cut the nails right? If you can live with the scratches, the you can ignore it. If not, better get it cut. No need special tool, a normal nail clipper will do. A sharp one is better and makes the cutting faster also. KP |
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Hmm, you wait till lollypop bigger and heavier, then you will feel the pain...
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QUOTE(jAck66 @ Sep 28 2007, 12:07 PM) why i can't hold my SG just for awhile?..always keep running then make a noise..how to made my joey tame..?? Your glider is still new to you, it is still scared. You need to give it time and a lot of patience. I've told you that it is not easy, so be patient and read more about bonding with your glider. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(carenys55 @ Sep 29 2007, 03:58 AM) Darling Foxy  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « She can already jump to me when i put her on the table. And will come out from her pouch when i open her cage. Ooo, Foxy is sooo FOXY! QUOTE(cRuSaDeRiDeR @ Sep 29 2007, 01:55 PM) hai.. anybody have been DANAU KOTA PET SHOP...? Last nite ive been there... Waaaaa... so pity to SG there got 1 ekor(kuruuuussss),in cage with cat food(i think-green color)slept on paper shredder... Price RM175... I think the shop owner very *uc*ing sh*t..  F*#%#@*% pet shop owner!  QUOTE(kayz1e @ Oct 1 2007, 12:06 AM) have any one of you guys successfully breed these wonderful creatures ? Yes, some have. But it is not easy, need to understand a lot of things first and it should not be done if you cannot guarantee the future of the joeys. ---------- Wahhh, Iggy has been up to a gliding frenzy again after such a long time... Normally he would just run up and down the curtain and jump a short distance to me, but on Saturday he probably discovered long distance gliding and glide from one end of the curtain to the other which is appx. 5 feet Then he applies that to me But I stand appx. 3 feet away only and he lands smack on my head, neck and back. He kept on doing it over and over again After that he starts exploring the floor and my whole apartment, running here and there with his tail upwards and keep looking back as tho to ask me to follow... When I follow him nearer and ask him to come to me, he'll jump onto my leg and crawl all over to my shoulder We've been doing this 3 days in a row now after 'sahur' time Btw, just to update everyone, Iggy has been neutered on Saturday evening = Successfully! I was worried all the time as I could not be there with him as I am sure he will be scared with the presence of unknown people without me. No doubt Dr. Yeoh told me that he was quite fierce and crabbed with all his might at him Anyhow, Dr. Yeoh was also quite surprised at how soon he recovered from the aneasthetic and told me that he is a tough and strong boy  So far, he is doing well. I'm still monitoring him but he is eating and doing his gliding frenzy just like normal Did I mention that Iggy is the first ever glider to be neutered? And so, this answers to glider neutering in Malaysia... IT CAN BE DONE NOW  Thanks to Dr. Yeoh and his team  He did a great job!Have a suggalicious day everyone! I know I am KP This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Oct 1 2007, 09:30 AM |
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Well, it is normal for a male suggie to smell when they reach maturity.
But I think yours is still young. So the smell might be his poo and pee only. Giving him the right diet can lessen the smell too. For instance, I find that giving too much watery fruits will cause their poo and pee smelly, as well as papaya. Mebbe you can alternate or experiment yourself on the types of fruits given to him You can also try to wipe him once a while with baby wipes if he's still smelly cuz sometimes the pee stain stick to his tail or fur and causes the smell KP |
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Biasakan dia supaya tak garang atau marah bila time makan atau tidur. Jangan takut dengan bunyi dia. Kalau betul2 jinak, dia takkan garang atau marah bila2 masa pun. KP |
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QUOTE(jAck66 @ Oct 1 2007, 12:10 PM) u know what...when dia mkn or tdo i kacau dia terus bangun berdiri sambil tanggan terbuka mcm nak terkam i then ade bunyik......mcm beruang tgh marah.... Bermakna you kena banyak kan lagi spend masa dengan dia. Kalau dia buat macam tu, maknanya dia takut dan rasa terancam dengan you sebab dia tak kenal you lagi. KP |
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Oct 1 2007, 12:19 PM) no ppl plan to save that little sg from danau kota petshop? Sad as it is, if we want to save the SG, 1- We need find the money. 2- We need a proper home that is willing to care for the SG forever (No point getting him out of that junk, just to be placed in another junk right?). 3- It will somehow encourage the shop owner to sell more SG since a skinny one like that also can get sold off easily  KP |
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