Her dog has been stunned , thats why small size and its unhealthy to stun a dog. A pup shld consume more during puppyhood as its still growing up. Do not stun a pup. And 10biji.. thts way too little.. Pity the pup.

I give my boy lexus to eat as much as he can eat within 5mins, Some eats faster so limit 2mins.

Doraemon, i saw this pack too at fluff last few days. Who is goin to try it? bebe or snowy? try liao tell me the results wo...i would really like to go back to Addiction coz Natural Balance is making my milo fatter. What are the first few ingredients in this salmon pack?

HUEY, I got 2 pack of samples free from a petshop. It is salmon and another 1 is the le lamb. However, when I read the ingredient, I saw chicken fat on the 4th or 5th. So not thinking to buy it lor.

jarjar, Addiction has lamb too?

Because those are the brands that sponsors some of their course back in the university. The vets are taught that those food are premium food

Any problem with chicken fat???

Got.
1. It's fat and as all already know, fat is bad for health
2. Indoor pets get fat easily because lack of exercise, walking and running

I belive it is not they thought it is "premium" food. I seldom come across vets that endorses specific pet food. They are not nutritionist, they are "doctors", for pet. Some might reccomend if found that certain brand is doing good to their pups or client's pup. But it might not work out for all.

Anyway, It is also the way market accepts it. Not all people willing to go the real premium way (not the "premium" that most self proclaimed premium, super premium, hollistic, super hollistic brands say they are). Some might even say that they dont need such quality food.

What we can do is visit shops that caters to our needs. Even so, some "high end" shops still carry some lower range variety to diversify their market. Shops can sell anything as long there are customers for it. We can do our homework, choose what we (or rather, our pup's) need, and consume based on requirements. But do remember, at the end of days, the best brand might still not work out. It is based on your pup's acceptance in many ways.

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Added on October 23, 2008, 10:10 amMost kibbles include fat as its ingredient while a handful of them does not. And our pups still need certain proportion of it. It is already good if it can be identified as "chicken" fat (naturally preserved).

By the way, there are alot of other factors in our pups food that contribute to problems mentioned, not only fat in it.

My point of view though. Hope more of us can share on this point so can learn more.

This post has been edited by KittyKat: Oct 23 2008, 10:17 AM

chicken fat is one of the good fat among all kind of fat. However, the chicken that they derived the fat from might be the problem Say, if the chicken injected with hormon, then this chicken fat is not good. An organic chicken fat will be better Chicken fat is the highest of all animal sources in linoleic acid good for skin and coat health.

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Added on October 23, 2008, 12:32 pmAgree, vets are doctors and not nutritionist. They don't study on the pet food nutrition. What I meant was, they were taught (teach) that those are "premium" by the "lecturers" from those company And maybe you haven't come across vets that strongly praise those "premium" food and said all the others are rubbish But couldn't put aside those good vets that will not ask you to buy off their shelf

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Oct 23 2008, 12:32 PM

Reputation is on their line, whether to include fat as ingredient to be natural and human grade. What done that's bad will surely surface in time to come, whether genetically modified chicken fat, stale salmon oil, road killed meat, disease infected corps, etc.

I see... Well, they can say what they want, i trust what my pup and i agree on. At the end of days, i cannot just depend on one source of info, yet should not diversify to so many. In some case, we may trial and error, some other, we must experience.

This post has been edited by KittyKat: Oct 23 2008, 01:42 PM

Huey, yes, addiction has lamb call le lamb. It is in green color pack. It is a new flavour come out together with the salmoon. I'm affraid my dog will be allergy to chicken so i avoid anything to do with chicken totally.

Well, as for the vet part. If they are vet, i assume that they've studied some basic medic in Uni. So I suppose they could read the food ingredient label better than us.

YES, agree jarjar. It make no sense that the vets can't read the ingredients and they should know how good OR BAD are the ingredients for our pets.

If your vets are recommending Science Plan and you tell them about Addiction, Natural Balance or Orijen, and they say "I never heard about these brands" or "only Science Plan is good, any other brand are rubbish" or anything like that, then I would say this vet is simply ignorance to do more research or just care about their wallet.

But of corse, not all vets are like that, many are good and doing great jobs.

Today I just bought a pack of California Natural Herring & Sweet patoto. Too bad they don't sell the lamb & rice flavour.

And I bought Back To Basic Pork Flavor!! This is also one of my regular bags besides Natural Balance and Evanger because it's PORK! Yahooo!!

sounds so familiar heard it b4

Snowy to try..as bebe was on barf diet de..

Snowy dnt like it much.. too hard, she cant chew. Even for bebe she oso ned to put some efford to chew... hmmm

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Added on October 27, 2008, 12:47 amWah..!!! Again so fast u trying on another brand ar... hehe

This post has been edited by Doraemon11: Oct 27 2008, 12:47 AM

wah one on barf and another on kibbles.

good mother u are

i found another brand got pork!! just bought it last nite, blue seal pork and barley.

pork for fifi......hehe

This post has been edited by joanalooidog: Oct 27 2008, 08:48 AM

pork good eh?

Ya lor doremon. Hehe. I prefer smaller size kibbles for my puppy too. Pork is ok because dog has less allergy to pork compare to chicken. But also need to be careful because if the manufacturer doesn't handle it properly, it could be harmful too.