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post Apr 1 2008, 09:49 AM

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Solid Gold Hundchen Flocken Puppy


Added on April 1, 2008, 10:02 am
QUOTE(arieliss @ Mar 25 2008, 09:36 PM)
I cant find California Natural here,Blackwood and Innova is the best brand i can find around me  sad.gif ..but nw they r both out of stock!there's only a few packs of Blackwood left,and the catfish formula is so so expensive!3.63kg is like rm68.90 shocking.gif !! i saw Innova in a big pack size 15kg,but it is just one pack left..so i jus ask for a sample pack n gv it a try!hehe,my dog is surely a picky boy,he always sniff sniff his bowl n then walk away sweat.gif ...left til afternoon or whenever he is hungry...i still cant find a dog food he really likes and eats it immediately...i know that Innova is a very good brand,i like its ingredients tongue.gif ,but dunno is it the smell(the smell isnt tat strong n nice..) or the kibbles shape(is in a triangular shape)???my dog jus doesnt quite interested on it.. blush.gif i think theres nothing he is interested with except his snacks!! sweat.gif he is nw biting his tail again!!so headache..... yawn.gif

hmm....i'm now soooo confusing,heard that 'canola oil,menadione and ethoxyquin' is not a healthy thing for dogs.Blackwood does contain those three stuffs inside,it doesn't state tat it is ethoxyquin-free,so consider it has??blink.gif ohh!!this is nt good,that is unhealthy,then what else inside the ingredients is consumable?!!
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Ethoxyquin is no good. Canola oil is Ok. Try avoiding brewer's byproduct, beet pulps, gluten materials.

You will have to get samples and let your boy try out if he's so picky. I once got my puppy Eaglepack's chicken sample, it smells nice compared to the other foods i went thru (not for myself) so far. You can give it a try if your boy is not allergic to chicken. It uses good source of chicken meat though, so less problem there. It also uses ingredients that are kinda Ok, except for some fillers, which most 3-4 star rated dog foods has it by the way, thus difficult to avoid unless spending extra for more premium foods.


Added on April 1, 2008, 10:07 am
QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Sep 10 2007, 10:56 PM)
actually soak with milk & with warm water..any diff?
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Careful not to soak foods which contains citric acid for too long. No good for our pups. Make sure finish immediately and no left overs.

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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Apr 1 2008, 11:03 AM)
My dog's poo is a bit yellowish green, is that normal ?
AFAIK dog's exrement should be solid and dark while mine is solid a little moisture but with yellowish green stuff

Does that mean my dog's digestion is no good?

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That not normal. Whats your pups regular food at the moment? Try a different food first. Consult a vet if it doesnt work out.
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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Apr 1 2008, 01:00 PM)
He's on Nutram Large Breed puppy tongue.gif
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Doesnt seem to have a too good ingredient listing. It contains corn which is very bad for digestion. It also has fillers. It also has a minimum acceptable meat content, with kinda unclear chicken source, i.e. "chicken fat (preserved with Vitamin E), chicken, chicken digest". It can be anything from chicken's skin, fat, legs, neck, head, some internals etc etc. What worrying here is leftover of unwanted chicken parts which might not be meat source. Producer also didnt state the use of preservative free ingredient.

Maybe you could try changing, IMHO. Avoid corn. Its deifinitely a NO NO!!! Second step will be to try avoiding rice. Feed your dog potatoe instead if its allergic to rice. Its also a good alternative for grains.

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QUOTE(arieliss @ Apr 1 2008, 02:30 PM)
My boy now is on Blackwood 5000 the catfish and potato formula,it is surely very very expensive!the ingredients is not so impressive also!I cant get EaglePack in my area,the most quality brand available here is Innova,second is for Blackwood,but dunno is the petshop owner still carrying Innova anot...and there's sumthing i'm concern about Innova.Did you heard about Innova contains Acetomenaphine inside their ingredients?? hmm.gif


Added on April 1, 2008, 2:32 pmForgot to mention,I saw it from itchmo.com and thepetfoodlist.com bout Innova.
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I didnt explore into Innova as it doesnt have any food with the meal type i was looking for my pup. Anyway, browsed around previously and realized that it is quite good depending on its range. Its premium ones should be on par with Solid Gold.

By the way, besides what i'm feeding my pup, i would opt for Blackwood's catfish and potatoe. Despite having some filler, it is food above its leaque, IMHO. I might switch to it once she's a year old.

Well, i would try my very best to give the most i can for my pup, so, balance between desire and financial would always be a conflict. But at the end of days, i wouldnt want to harm her unconsiously, so going the extra mile a lil more wont hurt, at least currently, as she's my first one, hehehe.


Added on April 1, 2008, 4:49 pm
QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Apr 1 2008, 02:28 PM)
Hmm, but its premium food?
The green yellowish excrement indicates he isnt digesting the food well ?

Thanks for the advice notworthy.gif
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Most proly but am not too clear if there might be any other health issues with your pup. Maybe a check with a good vet would help???

By the way, premium food seem to be the bottomline nowadays. The market's talking about like super premium, ultra premium, hollistics, etc etc like that. Dont be fooled by those terms. Some really good manufacturer's dont even brag with these terms, while some below average manufacturer's would boost sales based on jargons as such. The ingredient list would be your best bet to getting the rite food for your pup.

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Seriously, Natural Balance is so so only, thats my experience thru sampling and opinion to add on to some others experience. Tried its duck, fish and ultra premium formulation, not very convinced. Besides, got to know that it has quite a number of product recalls previously, making me feel that it might not be too comfortable for my pup's diet, despite its quite Ok ingredient listing.

It has very very little meat content (which is expected as it is more on allergic base diet). Most of all, its pallets are huge and hard, making it difficult to chump on, especially for puppies. It is also not very filling, thus our pups might have to consume more to burp.

Wouldnt really recommend it. It should be almost the same price with Blackwood (depending on location), thus Blackwood would be a better choice, IMHO.


Added on April 2, 2008, 7:57 am
QUOTE(arieliss @ Apr 2 2008, 02:20 AM)
Glad that i have made a good choice,hehe! rclxms.gif Bland means not tasty is it?Oh,your pups is on Natural Balance before?What formula they had??
Oh ya,wanna ask sumthg,as today i got some sample packs from them,that is California Natural,Evo small bites and one pack of Natural Balance fish!But when I left the shop,I found that the sample of California Natural is expired!!!15th of March!! blink.gif That's the old version packing I think,coz is different from the current packaging and I saw another old packagin that looks like the sample i got!so is it safe to feed my boy with it??
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Try not to exceed 2 years from its manufacturing date, that would be a safe guideline.

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QUOTE(arieliss @ Apr 2 2008, 05:08 PM)
Is it ethoxyquin free for their fish formula? unsure.gif Hehe,but still nid to see whether my boy likes it or not! laugh.gif 
Hmm...the price is quite the same,but Blacwood contains menadione inside their ingredients,heard that it's not good. hmm.gif
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Not very sure. Not stated by manufacturer when i checked on the packaging. Sorry.
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QUOTE(blessedfin @ Apr 3 2008, 01:20 PM)
Is Eukanuba good????just wondering..coz i saw alot of people using that also
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Eukanuba is a normal so called "premium" brand. Should be somewhere baseline of dog food standards. But for me, it is below average, judging from ingredients used.

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QUOTE(jarjar6666 @ Oct 22 2008, 11:39 PM)
HUEY, I got 2 pack of samples free from a petshop. It is salmon and another 1 is the le lamb. However, when I read the ingredient, I saw chicken fat on the 4th or 5th. So not thinking to buy it lor.
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Any problem with chicken fat???

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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Oct 23 2008, 02:16 AM)
Because those are the brands that sponsors some of their course back in the university. The vets are taught that those food are premium food smile.gif
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I belive it is not they thought it is "premium" food. I seldom come across vets that endorses specific pet food. They are not nutritionist, they are "doctors", for pet. Some might reccomend if found that certain brand is doing good to their pups or client's pup. But it might not work out for all.

Anyway, It is also the way market accepts it. Not all people willing to go the real premium way (not the "premium" that most self proclaimed premium, super premium, hollistic, super hollistic brands say they are). Some might even say that they dont need such quality food.

What we can do is visit shops that caters to our needs. Even so, some "high end" shops still carry some lower range variety to diversify their market. Shops can sell anything as long there are customers for it. We can do our homework, choose what we (or rather, our pup's) need, and consume based on requirements. But do remember, at the end of days, the best brand might still not work out. It is based on your pup's acceptance in many ways.


Added on October 23, 2008, 10:10 am
QUOTE(Pennywise @ Oct 23 2008, 09:57 AM)
Got.
1. It's fat and as all already know, fat is bad for health
2. Indoor pets get fat easily because lack of exercise, walking and running
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Most kibbles include fat as its ingredient while a handful of them does not. And our pups still need certain proportion of it. It is already good if it can be identified as "chicken" fat (naturally preserved).

By the way, there are alot of other factors in our pups food that contribute to problems mentioned, not only fat in it.

My point of view though. Hope more of us can share on this point so can learn more.

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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Oct 23 2008, 12:26 PM)
chicken fat is one of the good fat among all kind of fat. However, the chicken that they derived the fat from might be the problem  nod.gif  Say, if the chicken injected with hormon, then this chicken fat is not good. An organic chicken fat will be better  biggrin.gif  Chicken fat is the highest of all animal sources in linoleic acid good for skin and coat health.

Agree, vets are doctors and not nutritionist. They don't study on the pet food nutrition. What I meant was, they were taught (teach) that those are "premium" by the "lecturers" from those company  nod.gif  And maybe you haven't come across vets that strongly praise those "premium" food and said all the others are rubbish tongue.gif But couldn't put aside those good vets that will not ask you to buy off their shelf laugh.gif
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Reputation is on their line, whether to include fat as ingredient to be natural and human grade. What done that's bad will surely surface in time to come, whether genetically modified chicken fat, stale salmon oil, road killed meat, disease infected corps, etc.

I see... Well, they can say what they want, i trust what my pup and i agree on. At the end of days, i cannot just depend on one source of info, yet should not diversify to so many. In some case, we may trial and error, some other, we must experience.

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Hey everyone, need some help... Am looking for Evo's red meat, small bite kibbles. Noticed anyone carrying this??? I found Toby at Penang carrying the normal sized ones, but they dont bring in the small bites. Am switching for my pup again as she's not very fond of chicken/turkey diet. Phew...

Thanks for help in advance...
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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 19 2009, 04:15 PM)
Seriously people... switch to raw feeding! smile.gif
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Am considering, am considering... Give me some time... =)


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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 19 2009, 04:26 PM)
I don't quite have a choice... I used to feed kibble (Evo) because I believed it was 6-star and all. Then my dog came down with a host of problems. Impacted anal glands, skin problems...
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I dont plunge in to Evo, or Orijen, or Solid Gold, etc etc just because it is 5, 6, 7, etc stars, by the way ;P

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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 19 2009, 04:30 PM)
Hahahaha I used to be like you until one day I bit the bullet and just headed to the supermarket and bought raw chicken meat and stuff.

It's as easy as feeding as kibble. Store chicken in freezer and defrost next day feeding in bottom compartment.

Follow the prey model diet, not barf... you don't even have to feed fruits or veggie. Just raw meaty bones and organs (liver, kidney, etc)

And I just realized I'm probably typing this in the wrong topic LOL.


Added on January 19, 2009, 4:32 pm

What do you feed btw?

I trusted Evo, because it's grainless kibble. I know grain can cause allergies in dogs. Maybe that's just me, but if I can afford it, I would want to give my dogs the best.
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Oh... My pup's doing Evo small bites now. Moved her from Orijen cuz she dont really like it. While biting into her kibbles, she'll look at me with expression on her face: "Ey... Boss... Very hard... Very difficult to bite lar!!! How to eat???". Then she often skip her meal cuz that. Even on Evo, she quite reluctant, but at least she take all her proper meals. Want to move her back to red meat as she's doing it fine during her puppy stage.

Regarding raw, i belief inclusion of small propotion greens and fruits are vital. As canine evolve (i believe even in the past or in wild now), selective greens and fruits serve as natural antibiotins and tonic, etc. My point of view though, cuz i feed my pup with strain of wheat grew in my garden, and it aids her digestion. My nearby neighbor's GR also take it whenever he comes over to my place for play play or when we walk him. My cat even knows how to harvest and consume it herself. That's when i learnt about it and try it out. Just an example...

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QUOTE(jarjar6666 @ Jan 20 2009, 08:07 PM)
Now my bearbear refuses to eat the Orijien 6 fresh fish...she never reject any food before..
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Dunno why??? My pup also not very fond of Orijen's Adult formula, sigh. I somemore got her the biggest pack to split with my friend's pup, now dunno what to do, scratching head liao... I personally feel the kibbles are much harder, and if prolonged consumption, its taste's way too appealing that my pup gets sick of it. When she's trying out samples, she seem Ok with it, but...

Got a sample pack of Artemis's Maximal. The kibbles smell's sooo strong, even i dont feel like putting in my mouth and eating it. Perhaps it's its high fat content. I dont think i'll switch my pup to it. Sigh...

I might really go raw in time to come if its so difficulty, switching around. High protein diet's fine. Just that... I still belief that Solid Gold (depending on its range) makes great kibbles. Its just that, long lead time make its shelf-life short. It's premiumly pricey as well for its league. Canidae's also fine. But with the boom in price recently, made me stay away from it. Not need to mention its grainless range. Its crazy i mean...

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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Jan 20 2009, 10:08 PM)
Mind telling me the recent Canidae price, both the ALS and grainless?
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I dont see the grainless one around yet... But the ALS shot up to about 150+ for 6.8kg. Its like +/-50% up!!!
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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 21 2009, 09:44 AM)
Seriously?? That's even more pricey than Evo or Orijen!

My friend also gave me a sample of Artemis. I think it's okay. Not grainless, but it has sufficient meat content to give it a 5-star rating.

You know what, when Royal Canin came out with it's "specific breed" range of kibble, I was soooooo tempted to buy the shih tzu range for my dog. But Royal Canin has never been on my to-buy list. Has anyone ever tried it out?
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Yep. That's why i ran away from them. I was on a deal when they were with their old "two rice form" formula (Less than RM100 for 7.5kg). But with 50% up price, i end up telling my pup, "Sorry, Canidae ban liao..."

Artemis's normal range is Ok too. I wanted to get the small breed one, but with its price, i rather go Evo. Formulation very typical of premium kibbles. Good overall.

Well... Royal Canin... Never in my "will-think-of-it" list as well. For the price, its products are not "premium" enough.


Added on January 21, 2009, 10:56 am
QUOTE(KittyKat @ Jan 21 2009, 10:54 AM)
Yep. That's why i ran away from them. I was on a deal when they were with their old "two rice form" formula (Less than RM100 for 7.5kg). But with 50% up price, i end up telling my pup, "Sorry, Canidae ban liao..."

Artemis's normal range's Ok too. I wanted to get the small breed one, but with its price, i rather go Evo. Formulation very typical of premium kibbles. Good overall.

Well... Royal Canin... Never in my "will-think-of-it" list as well. For the price, its product's not "premium" enough.
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By the way... Any leadings on Evo's red meat, small bites???

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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 21 2009, 11:15 AM)
Honestly I've never seen the red meat range. Only the normal yellow packaging one.

But with the already super high protein content in the normal range, you still wanna feed the red meat variety? smile.gif
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She's a monster pup, she like like... Lamb ah... Beef ah... Like that one wor. By the way, the red meat also have compartively protein level.
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QUOTE(bluepuppygirl @ Jan 21 2009, 01:43 PM)
Oooo... ya I heard also if feed lamb, dog's fur will be nicer compared to those fed on chicken.

My bigger dog doesn't like beef. We call him the Buddhist dog lol.
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Hahaha... If the chicken used is of human grade and grew w/o any hanky-panky acceleration, its fine also one.
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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Jan 21 2009, 01:44 PM)
pengsan........ is it the new packaging yet?
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Yes. It's the first 3 meat meal and diversed carb content one.
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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Jan 21 2009, 01:50 PM)
wahahaha... someone said earlier, by nature, claimed they used organic chicken, the small pack shoot up around rm80-90 LOL...
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By Nature ok ok nia... Very low meat content. The ingredients not very remarkable as well. Too pricey for its range, will never reccomend. Its treats are Ok and well priced though.


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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Jan 21 2009, 01:52 PM)
alamak..............  doh.gif better find other brand then  doh.gif
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I belief others are waiting and racing to hike as well. If this continues... Sigh... I think Alpo will be the last resort. Hahaha...

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