24" LCD Monitor, need some help
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 Aug 31 2007, 06:36 PM, updated 19y ago
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im a little bit confuse.
 lets say i wanted to buy benq FP241WZ for my pc n upcoming ps3 because of the inputs u get, and i run it on 720p, will the image look nice/sharp? or pixelated? sorry if this is a noob question, but the native res for FP241WZ is 1920x1200 rite? n wat happens if i run my ps3 on 720p n pc on 1280x1024?  i know that if u dont run it on native res the quality is bad. ive done my research here but got confused and still dont understand  so i hope u guys can help me out  |
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Aug 31 2007, 06:40 PM
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as long as you get the same RATIO, you won't have any problems
image dithering is supported by most modern lcd it's the RATIO that is important 4:3. 5:4. 16:9, 16:10 keep the ratio aspect and you'll get good images (if not crisp) of course, native is best. |
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Aug 31 2007, 06:49 PM
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from my link on pc via dvi:
"This worked just as you would expect. Run it at 1920x1200 and the screen is pixel perfect for all modes. Run it in 1280x1024, and it stretches wide in Full mode, scales with the proper aspect ratio in Aspect mode, and goes to perfect 1:1 mapping centered in the 1:1 mode. (no pics, it just worked right) " what does it mean? the Aspect mode does the ratio thingy is it? This post has been edited by gmannji: Aug 31 2007, 06:49 PM |
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Aug 31 2007, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(gmannji @ Aug 31 2007, 06:49 PM) from my link on pc via dvi: 1:1 means it's the original resolution. Native reso of the Benq panel is 1920x1200. HDMI is capped at 1920x1080 so your image will look a lil bit funny but negligible. You can fix this by turning on 1:1 mode where the image will not be scaled and you have small black bars on the top and bottom of your panel."This worked just as you would expect. Run it at 1920x1200 and the screen is pixel perfect for all modes. Run it in 1280x1024, and it stretches wide in Full mode, scales with the proper aspect ratio in Aspect mode, and goes to perfect 1:1 mapping centered in the 1:1 mode. (no pics, it just worked right) " what does it mean? the Aspect mode does the ratio thingy is it?  |
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Aug 31 2007, 09:50 PM
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ok i think i got it. but if u use 720p the image will be stretched right?
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Aug 31 2007, 10:32 PM
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nope it would be stretched.
sry wouldnt.. hehe error This post has been edited by ruztynail: Aug 31 2007, 11:27 PM |
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Aug 31 2007, 10:46 PM
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it will be stretch according to scale, or you can play it @ 1:1 and u will have surrounding black bars. Man I need to pick up another 241 for dual monitor
 this is the best lcd out there hehemore importantly...why would u wanna run the ps3 @ 720p? I've always have mine @ 1080p This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 31 2007, 10:48 PM |
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Aug 31 2007, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Aug 31 2007, 10:46 PM) it will be stretch according to scale, or you can play it @ 1:1 and u will have surrounding black bars. Man I need to pick up another 241 for dual monitor oh really?? my 22"inch DELL 1680x1050 has an ratio of 16:10 not 16:9. and its not stretched and doesnt hv black bars as i initially thought. this is the best lcd out there hehemore importantly...why would u wanna run the ps3 @ 720p? I've always have mine @ 1080p LCD these days are smart.  and.. no point putting at 1080p cause like i hv always said in all LCD threats.. it doesnt freaking make any difference.. only applies at 40 inch and above. and a note. only 24" and above has 1080p applicable for LCD monitors. so do wat u please. |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Aug 31 2007, 10:46 PM) it will be stretch according to scale, or you can play it @ 1:1 and u will have surrounding black bars. Man I need to pick up another 241 for dual monitor thats what i thought. coz not all ps3 games are (correct if im wrong) 1080p rite ? so if the game runs on 720p, what would it look like? this is the best lcd out there hehemore importantly...why would u wanna run the ps3 @ 720p? I've always have mine @ 1080p QUOTE(ruztynail @ Aug 31 2007, 11:24 PM) oh really?? my 22"inch DELL 1680x1050 has an ratio of 16:10 not 16:9. and its not stretched and doesnt hv black bars as i initially thought. is there such thing if i buy 22", running my ps3 on 1080p n the monitor scales it to 1680x1050??LCD these days are smart. and.. no point putting at 1080p cause like i hv always said in all LCD threats.. it doesnt freaking make any difference.. only applies at 40 inch and above. and a note. only 24" and above has 1080p applicable for LCD monitors. so do wat u please. |
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Sep 1 2007, 05:32 AM
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Aug 31 2007, 11:24 PM) oh really?? my 22"inch DELL 1680x1050 has an ratio of 16:10 not 16:9. and its not stretched and doesnt hv black bars as i initially thought. Actually it does, any pc users with lcd monitors will agree with that. Only console users claims u won't ever see any difference if you use 1080p on anything lower than 40". LCD these days are smart. and.. no point putting at 1080p cause like i hv always said in all LCD threats.. it doesnt freaking make any difference.. only applies at 40 inch and above. and a note. only 24" and above has 1080p applicable for LCD monitors. so do wat u please.  Heck i can see the difference if i compare playing Virtua Tennis 3 on my LCD with 1080p vs 720p.  720p on a 1080p monitor would look abit soft on the edges, while 1080p would look sharper especially if you're looking at text.  Also if there is no black bars on a 16:10 LCD, then it means that you're image is stretched from 16:9 to 16:10, so it's not in the correct ratio anymore.  This post has been edited by redbull_y2k: Sep 1 2007, 05:34 AM |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:09 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « u cant run 1080p on 22".. the max u can go is 720p. u'd get a blank screen for setting it to 1080p. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ok how do i say this..... its obviously different if PC users use a higher reso setting the details firstly becomes smaller more refine and etc.. u'd hvnt said how big yr LCD screen is.?? . if its a 40" obviously again u can note the diff. jagged lines would be more refines... . but... if u are at 24"... of 30" and below///and if u compare 1080p with 720p.. u'd see ZIP differences.. TATS WHY!!!!! LCD TV introductory to full 1080p only comes in at 40" and above.. the rest tats below it only supports -input cause of market gimmicks.. the MANUFACTURES knows there is no point for 1080p for a small display. let me giv u supporting docs so tat u dont claim otherwise.. QUOTE Tests of visual acuity to determine the resolution required of a television transmission system by the BBC's J.O. Drewery and R. Salmon determined that at 9 feet, a 50 inch screen at 720p's resolution will give you all the resolution you can see! At 9 feet, a 56 incher needs 1080i to avoid seeing the pixel structure. If you sit farther or closer, you may need more resolution. QUOTE I've read various articles debating the importance of the 1080p. I want to set the record straight once and for all: if you are serious about properly setting up your viewing room, you will definitely benefit from 1080p (and even 1440p.) Why? Because the 1080p resolution is the first to deliver enough detail to your eyeball when you are seated at the proper distance from the screen. But don't just take my word for it: read on for the proof. There are a few obvious factors to being able to detect resolution differences: the resolution of the screen, the size of the screen, and the viewing distance. To be able to detect differences between resolutions, the screen must be large enough and you must sit close enough. So the question becomes "How do I know if need a higher resolution or not?". Here is your answer. Based on the resolving ability of the human eye (with 20/20 vision it is possible to resolve 1/60th of a degree of an arc), it is possible to estimate when the differences between resolutions will become apparent. Using the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet as a base, I created a chart showing, for any given screen size, how close you need to sit to be able to detect some or all of the benefits of a higher resolution screen. (Click the picture below for a larger version.) Resolution vs. Screen Size vs. Viewing Distance Chart What the chart shows is that, for a 50-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p start to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 14.6 feet and become fully apparent at 9.8 feet. For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 9.8 feet and become full apparent at 6.5 feet. In my opinion, 6.5 feet is closer than most people will sit to their 50" plasma TV (even through the THX recommended viewing distance for a 50" screen is 5.6 ft). So, most consumers will not be able to see the full benefit of their 1080p TV. However, front projectors and rear projection displays are a different story. They make it very easy to obtain large screen sizes. Plus, LCD and Plasma displays are constantly getting larger and less expensive. In my home, for example, I have a 123-inch screen and a projector with a 1280×720 resolution. For a 123-inch screen, the benefits of 720p vs. 480p starts to become apparent at viewing distances closer than 36 feet (14 feet behind my back wall) and become fully apparent at 24 feet (2 feet behind my back wall). For the same screen size, the benefits of 1080p vs. 720p start to become apparent when closer than 24 feet and become full apparent at 16 feet (just between the first and second row of seating in my theater). This means that people in the back row of my home theater would see some improvement if I purchased a 1080p projector and that people in the front row would notice a drastic improvement. (Note: the THX recommended max viewing distance for a 123" screen is 13.7 feet). So, how close should you be sitting to your TV? Obviously, you need to look at your room and see what makes sense for how you will be using it. If you have a dedicated viewing room and can place seating anywhere you want, you can use this chart as a guideline. It's based on THX and SMPTE specifications for movie theaters; the details are available in the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet. Recommended Seating Distances and Resolution Benefits Looking at this chart, it is apparent that 1080p is the lowest resolution to fall within the recommended seating distance range. Any resolution less than 1080p is not detailed enough if you are sitting the proper distance from the screen. For me and many people with large projection screens, 1080p is the minimum resolution you'd want. In fact, you could probably even benefit from 1440p. If you haven't heard of 1440p, you will. Here's a link to some info on Audioholics.com. It is part of the HDMI 1.3 spec, along with 48-bit color depth, and will probably surface for the public in 2009 or so. You'll partially be able to see the benefits of 1440p at the THX Max Recommended viewing distance and the resolution benefits will be fully apparent if you are just a little closer. I've read of plans for resolutions reaching 2160p but I don't see any benefit; you'd have to sit too darn close to the screen to notice any improvement. If you sit too close, you can't see the far edges of the screen. In conclusion: If you are a videophile with a properly setup viewing room, you should definitely be able to notice the resolution enhancement that 1080p brings. However, if you are an average consumer with a plasma on the far wall of your family room, you are not likely to be sitting close enough to notice any advantage. Check the chart above and use that to make your decision. Also, the Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution. Resolution is 4th on the list and plasma is generally superior to LCD in all of the other areas (but much more prone to reflections/glare.) So pick your display size, then measure your seating distance, and then use the charts above to figure out if you would benefit from the larger screen size. wat i dont get it still is my image is CERTAINLY not stretched on my LCD.. no black bars. tats fine.. but its really not stretched.. come-on.. i certainly can tell if its stretched or not right?? i was firstly afraid it might be bfr i bought it.. but a forumner "TOT" confirmed with me it isnt.. and thus i got it.. thn whn i plugged it in.. its not stretched.. so why!??! This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 1 2007, 12:10 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:24 PM
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ermmm.... i use a 24" lcd monitor. And i experience it myself, so i don't need to read any articles saying i won't see any difference coz i do see the difference myself.
For an LCDTV, then u'd definitely need a 40" to experience 1080p, although u can still see with a 37" lcdtv. But on an lcd monitor, since you're sitting closer, even a 24" is enough to see the difference. So don't claim otherwise unless you experience it yourself first. |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:30 PM
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yes, if there's no black bars, your monitor stretched it to 16:10. whether you can tell it is stretch or not is totally depending on you, not everybody can detect 200 pixels different in vertical width without comparing them side by side with a 16:9 screen.
QUOTE(gmannji @ Aug 31 2007, 02:53 PM) thats what i thought. coz not all ps3 games are (correct if im wrong) 1080p rite ? so if the game runs on 720p, what would it look like? What will it look like? it will look like 1080p @ 16:9 with black bars on top and bottom. The benq 241 is the best monitor, u wont go wrong with it. No dead pixels, no banding, awesome colors. I sold my 42" 1080p lcd to replace it with this benq simply because I have never seen an lcd TV that doesnt have banding issues. I was waiting for 1080p plasma to be out. Panasonic now has 1080p plasma, and I'm so getting the 50" 1080p viera when I settle down is there such thing if i buy 22", running my ps3 on 1080p n the monitor scales it to 1680x1050?? one thing i should mention is that, oddly, when my wii is set to widescreen @ 420p, the bars are at the side...I suspect the wii is not really 16:9 @ wide screen. lol I bought my benq as soon as the AR firmware fix was out, that was around RM2800, the monitor can now be bought for <rm2500 here in Canada. This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 12:36 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 1 2007, 12:24 PM) ermmm.... i use a 24" lcd monitor. And i experience it myself, so i don't need to read any articles saying i won't see any difference coz i do see the difference myself. thn u're jus in a pure denial world . For an LCDTV, then u'd definitely need a 40" to experience 1080p, although u can still see with a 37" lcdtv. But on an lcd monitor, since you're sitting closer, even a 24" is enough to see the difference. So don't claim otherwise unless you experience it yourself first. i dont need to experience it ler.. we got a forumner here with a 24" DELL too tat reviewed it. http://sotbest.blogspot.com/ i no money to experience it. so i READ.. so your image on a ps3 is also stretched?? since 24" is definitely a 16:10 ratio.. Added on September 1, 2007, 12:41 pm » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « so is your image stretched too? cause AFAIK. DELL PC LCD has the auto aspect ratio correcting gismo This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 1 2007, 12:50 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:51 PM
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I'm using DELL 24" LCD monitor for ps3. It is 16:10 aspect ratio as compared to LCD TV which is 16:9, thus it will be stretched slightly. But fortunately this LCD monitor has scaling options (primary reason me picking up this monitor), therefore I set it to maintain aspect ratio which results in small black bars on top and bottom of screen.
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Sep 1 2007, 12:54 PM
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If it used the correct AR, it will be 16:9 scaled to larger resolution when being fed with lower than the monitor's native resolution. You will still see black bars because monitors are 16:10 while the input is 16:9. If you don't see black bars, it has been stretched, end of story.
QUOTE(theGOne @ Sep 1 2007, 01:51 AM) I'm using DELL 24" LCD monitor for ps3. It is 16:10 aspect ratio as compared to LCD TV which is 16:9, thus it will be stretched slightly. But fortunately this LCD monitor has scaling options (primary reason me picking up this monitor), therefore I set it to maintain aspect ratio which results in small black bars on top and bottom of screen. I believe you are using the latest revision? IIRC it is A04 that they started introducing AR fix on the 2407. They just launched A04 when the benq's AR units were out. The market was still flooded with crippled A03 2407 back then.This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 12:56 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Sep 1 2007, 12:39 PM) thn u're jus in a pure denial world . Aiseh, then you really need to experience it first lah. I can see the difference, my friends did, i'm sure u would too. |
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Sep 1 2007, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 1 2007, 12:54 PM) If it used the correct AR, it will be 16:9 scaled to larger resolution when being fed with lower than the monitor's native resolution. You will still see black bars because monitors are 16:10 while the input is 16:9. If you don't see black bars, it has been stretched, end of story. u know. everyone here jus claims claims claims. no one can give me a proper answer. some articles would do good. i searched plenty bfr buyin my own. and i'd search even more whn u all claim otherwise. ALAMAKLOR. if u think u cant give me a proper explanation and prefer to end story without a discussion. u'd can do me a favor by not cutting my question short. its would be reallly kind of u if u could keep yr cool.  |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:03 PM
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mind you, I've given all the info and explained everything there is to AR and scaling, hence end of story. If you wanna believe that your 16:10 screen is doing 16:9 @ full screen without black bars, then so be it.
oh btw, my screen is not stretched, there are black bars on top and bottom of the screen when feeding it with 16:9, and full screen when I run it at 16:10, 1900 X 1200 res on my pc. This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 01:04 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:06 PM
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I think AlamakLor have given quite a clear explanation already, it can't get clearer than that. Unless of course u'd want a picture to help u get the message? I'll try n dig it up later, preferably articles that are easier to understand.
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Sep 1 2007, 01:06 PM
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i am merely posting a question now.. i need answers.. but i guess nvm.. i already got the lcd. no point complaining right?
 but i guess u thought otherwise. thanks for yr quick review. This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 1 2007, 01:08 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:10 PM
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Now.. now... we're all here to share info. No point proving who's right or wrong as long as you're happy with what u get.
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Sep 1 2007, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 1 2007, 12:54 PM) I believe you are using the latest revision? IIRC it is A04 that they started introducing AR fix on the 2407. They just launched A04 when the benq's AR units were out. The market was still flooded with crippled A03 2407 back then. I'm using 2407-HC model. Did consider Samsung 22" before. But after testing on my friend's Samsung 20", felt the image was "stretched/scaled", therefore decided on 2407-HC with the scaling options. Cheers  |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:13 PM
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[quote=ruztynail,Sep 1 2007, 12:09 PM] u cant run 1080p on 22".. the max u can go is 720p. u'd get a blank screen for setting it to 1080p. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
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Sep 1 2007, 01:16 PM
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in post #11, you said that your screen is CERTAINLY not stretched despite NOT having black bars, you are implying that your screen is doing 16:9 without black bars on a 16:10 screen, and this is simply impossible. I'm not the only one who's been saying that w/o 1:1 AR setting, the screen is stretched if you don't see black bars when feeding it with a 16:9 signal. If you need pictures of the 16:9 stretched to 16:10, a little google would help.
QUOTE(theGOne @ Sep 1 2007, 02:12 AM) I'm using 2407-HC model. Did consider Samsung 22" before. But after testing on my friend's Samsung 20", felt the image was "stretched/scaled", therefore decided on 2407-HC with the scaling options. Cheers you made the right choice only 24" monitor, and some 27" can fully utilize 1080p  22" are getting dirt cheap nowadays. Ah well, just like 720p/1080i TVs vs 1080p ones. The damn 1080p viera cost about 2.5X more than a 720p plasma This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 01:21 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:22 PM
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nvm nvm. dah la saya tanya kenapa ni. even whn i am certain. in the similar post.. wouldnt tat still sound to u like a question??
i did google. pics still not convincing . everyone is jus claiming. pics tat i saw. looks freaking similar..   any diff?? tats why i am asking u people for techy details. but nvm. wat u gave me in answer is wat lies everywhere. thought i can get more details. but dahla. tak apa. This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 1 2007, 01:23 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:29 PM
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It's not a question when you affirm something.
yup, the bottom one is stretched. If you cannot see the difference, use a ruler and measure some objects Like i said, it may be very subtle to some people. If it doesn't bother you, then good for you. But that doesn't mean you can live in ignorance and claim that because you can't see the difference, therefore it is not stretched. That's just similar to katak di bawah tempurung (wow damn, my malay still works! ahahaha)Anyway, nothing personal, just want to make myself clear. This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 01:31 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:33 PM
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http://tigerdave.com/test_patterns.htm
here's some files i use to test the overscan/underscan/stretching of my screen. don't worry for most PC monitors, you can adjust the menu/settings so that a 16:9 image remains correct aspect and not stretched tall and thin. or you can open photoshop and create a 1280*720 jpeg files with geometry shapes like circle, oval, square or rectangular and use the jpeg to adjust the aspect. actually whether you can differentiate 720p/1080p on a small screen is very subjective and differs for individuals. like me, i have bad eyesight and wear glasses so i doubt i have the "proper equipment" to discern any difference 1 thing to note though, RR7 demo has some slight jaggies problem. the jaggies are more apparent in 720p vs 1080p. but 720p is really the "sweet spot" for videogames right now This post has been edited by acougan: Sep 1 2007, 01:37 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 1 2007, 01:29 PM) It's not a question when you affirm something. nar its all clear. my bad. my affirmation and questions somtimes mix... yup, the bottom one is stretched. If you cannot see the difference, use a ruler and measure some objects Like i said, it may be very subtle to some people. If it doesn't bother you, then good for you. But that doesn't mean you can live in ignorance and claim that because you can't see the difference, therefore it is not stretched. That's just similar to katak di bawah tempurung (wow damn, my malay still works! ahahaha)Anyway, nothing personal, just want to make myself clear.  u noticed the diff?!?! i couldnt. u really got great eyesight.. i was asking around if the 22" on 16:10 would stretch. no one could give me a correct answer a month ago. sigh |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:40 PM
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buy samsung 1 la.
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 1 2007, 01:29 PM) It's not a question when you affirm something. haha i measuered some of the objects n the bottom one is stretched. but not really noticeable eh? at least not to me. hehe. hey have a look at this. is it true? 1080p on 22" ?yup, the bottom one is stretched. If you cannot see the difference, use a ruler and measure some objects Like i said, it may be very subtle to some people. If it doesn't bother you, then good for you. But that doesn't mean you can live in ignorance and claim that because you can't see the difference, therefore it is not stretched. That's just similar to katak di bawah tempurung (wow damn, my malay still works! ahahaha)Anyway, nothing personal, just want to make myself clear. |
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Sep 1 2007, 01:45 PM
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RR7, race so fast....no time to look at whether it is jaggy or not
btw, I think the perceived jagginess has something to do with how the game is upscaled...does the ps3 do upscaling? my ps3 is still at 1.32..for you know what haven't been playing it for a while Problem with dell lcd is that all the earlier models can't do AR/1:1 scale. Which is why I bought the benq at that time. I was gonna grab the 2407 but like i said, they only had A03 back then, and there were lots of problems with that lcd, from banding to not functioning component input. Btw, it's just scaling that we were talking about, I made a thread on why lcd tv sucks, which summarizes all the problems related to LCD TV, vertical/horizontal banding - most notorious on sharp aquos, mura effect (sony bravia x), back light bleeding, and etc. In short, I can't live with LCD TV, the banding is too much of an eyesore to me. but some people don't see them, especially the more subtle ones haha. Thank god benq and dell still makes some very good panels that's free from banding!@gmannji If you can upscale, i dont see why you cant downscale it. Might even realize a better picture too! But the samsung is displaying full screen, it is not doing it at 16:9 (doesn't seem like a problem to you anyway ). Btw, one piece of advice, dont buy samsung, back light bleeding is horrible. Samsung is no longer THE quality brand, benq and dell are the leaders now. Some time ago, when I hear the name Benq and dell stuff...I'd automatically look to samsung/sony, but times are different now. Just like how I detest ipod nano's shoddy build quality. ok, gonna watch simpsons now, see you guys another time...RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH! This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Sep 1 2007, 01:55 PM |
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Sep 1 2007, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Sep 1 2007, 12:30 PM) What will it look like? it will look like 1080p @ 16:9 with black bars on top and bottom. The benq 241 is the best monitor, u wont go wrong with it. No dead pixels, no banding, awesome colors. I sold my 42" 1080p lcd to replace it with this benq simply because I have never seen an lcd TV that doesnt have banding issues. I was waiting for 1080p plasma to be out. Panasonic now has 1080p plasma, and I'm so getting the 50" 1080p viera when I settle down one thing i should mention is that, oddly, when my wii is set to widescreen @ 420p, the bars are at the side...I suspect the wii is not really 16:9 @ wide screen. lol I bought my benq as soon as the AR firmware fix was out, that was around RM2800, the monitor can now be bought for <rm2500 here in Canada. n the picture is as clear/sharp as 1080p but it is actually 720p?? u know, when we change the res on our computer for example ur native res is 1280 x 1024 but then u changed it to 1024 x 768 of course the image will be a bit blurry right? so what im trying to say is whether this happens or not on ps3 using 24" @ 720p. whether the picture is blurry or sharp as its native res. |
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Sep 1 2007, 03:08 PM
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Don't worry, they will not be blurry, ps3's upscaling is good. And yes, there will be bars on top and bottom, no side bar. If you set the screen to 1:1 Pixel mapping, it will display it at its original resolution, and you will see a black box surrounding it.
Yes, I am aware of the native resolution on pc, they will still look sharp with 720p games on 1080p screen. If it sucks like using different than native resolution on PC, then everybody will be buying few sets of TVs, one for 720p and another 1080p for full HD  Like I said, you wont go wrong with the monitor, in fact, you'd scream in joy shortly after you got it |
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Sep 1 2007, 07:28 PM
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owh so thats what it means by upscaling? haha thanks alot. i think u already convinced me buying benq 24"
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Sep 2 2007, 10:40 AM
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after reading this post. Now I got quite confuse. I thot someone mention u can't see any diff between 1080p and 720p if the screen is below 40 inch. I was wondering then why one would build 1080p Full HD 24" monitor then ? Like BenQ's or ViewSonic's ? don't they do the research ? damn now I am again undecided.
I had my own post for this question, so sorry if this question is out of topic. If it's rude to hijack this thread, just post some suggestions on my own thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/507454/+60 and about the right or wrong, it doesn't matter. I have been reading and all of u guys have been so helpful. |
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Sep 2 2007, 02:16 PM
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check one of my post on the three BenQ 24 model that comes with HDMI connector - all priced less than RM2199. One is prices at RM1899. And they come with a free dvd player that you can give to your gf's parent
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Sep 2 2007, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(derred @ Sep 2 2007, 10:40 AM) after reading this post. Now I got quite confuse. I thot someone mention u can't see any diff between 1080p and 720p if the screen is below 40 inch. I was wondering then why one would build 1080p Full HD 24" monitor then ? Like BenQ's or ViewSonic's ? don't they do the research ? damn now I am again undecided. the different is noticeable on 40" and above.. I had my own post for this question, so sorry if this question is out of topic. If it's rude to hijack this thread, just post some suggestions on my own thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/507454/+60 and about the right or wrong, it doesn't matter. I have been reading and all of u guys have been so helpful. its true cause for LCD TV ur watching from quite a distant away.. in LCD monitor case ur watching close up so its more obvious la.. but anyway im using dell24" on xbox360 i dont notice much different in graphic if i change 720p to 1080p except the text are slightly clearer.. its probably due to the fact that most games on xbox360 are meant for 720p rather than 1080p not so much of different la.. it juz feel good that ur using 1080p maybe ps3 different story? i dun have but for LCD user u have to set the reference level.. that one has much more noticeable improvement la for the visuals |
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Sep 3 2007, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 2 2007, 01:16 AM) check one of my post on the three BenQ 24 model that comes with HDMI connector - all priced less than RM2199. One is prices at RM1899. And they come with a free dvd player that you can give to your gf's parent haha that's actually my thread, I've read that. Hmm I can't confirm because there are too many facts or opinions.Added on September 2, 2007, 2:19 pmfound it : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/507454/+40 |
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Sep 3 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(derred @ Sep 3 2007, 11:45 AM) haha that's actually my thread, I've read that. Hmm I can't confirm because there are too many facts or opinions. omg - sorry .. my bad |
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Sep 3 2007, 12:32 PM
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Hard to tell difference. I have been playing my PS3 using 720p for sometime now even my screen support 1080p!
To me is like 720p screen, you see a dot thats actually a dot only on the screen while 1080p screen, you see a dot on the screen but actually it is multiple dot on it, just the screen too small and your eyes cant tell the different! Is my explain good enough? Dun flame ok! just my opinion. |
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Sep 3 2007, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(300078 @ Sep 3 2007, 12:32 PM) Hard to tell difference. I have been playing my PS3 using 720p for sometime now even my screen support 1080p! Your explanation is good enough. To me is like 720p screen, you see a dot thats actually a dot only on the screen while 1080p screen, you see a dot on the screen but actually it is multiple dot on it, just the screen too small and your eyes cant tell the different! Is my explain good enough? Dun flame ok! just my opinion. Btw, to see the difference, of coz you'd need to have a 1080p source then compare. If one would compare a game rendered on 720p on a 1080p monitor vs a 720p lcdtv, then the lcdtv would look better n sharper. Because the image on lcd would look better if they are fed with input matching its native panel resolution. |
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Sep 3 2007, 05:30 PM
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haha... well my experience...
I have a 24" Dell in my office... I set it to native resolution it is sharper.. as the result the text is smaller too... when i set to non native the text will become a bit blur.... coz i sit near mah... BTW dell 24" is at 1900 X 1200... no need to flame anything to me la... I support buying LCD TV... 720i also can already... coz wat... enjoy all the entertainment there... coz wat i experience when i watch DVD movie on my office computer... it is a pixelized... coz i sit near... Hence... you are sitting further from the screen get LCD TV... this is jus my 2 sens |
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Sep 6 2007, 11:47 AM
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you use a 24W in OFFICE? what do you work as? programmer or graphic designer?
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Sep 6 2007, 12:03 PM
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nope... mechanical designer...
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Sep 6 2007, 01:21 PM
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since we're all talking about 24"
what u guys use or recommend? for HD gaming, of course someone interested in my LG 19" n im thinking to sale n go for 24 inchers |
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Sep 6 2007, 05:33 PM
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good news !! hp launch the w2408h HDMI monitor....
heard from my fren that this monitor will be @ 1400 Retail.... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF...3-80644001.html can't wait for the HDMI on the PS3 !! Added on September 6, 2007, 5:33 pmgood news !! hp launch the w2408h HDMI monitor.... heard from my fren that this monitor will be @ 1400 Retail.... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF...3-80644001.html can't wait for the HDMI on the PS3 !! This post has been edited by ipaqfreak: Sep 6 2007, 05:33 PM |
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Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Sep 6 2007, 01:21 PM) since we're all talking about 24" The BenQ FP241WZ would be the best currently, it has hdmi input and selling for about RM1899.what u guys use or recommend? for HD gaming, of course someone interested in my LG 19" n im thinking to sale n go for 24 inchers QUOTE(ipaqfreak @ Sep 6 2007, 05:33 PM) good news !! hp launch the w2408h HDMI monitor.... OMG! That's really cheap, but it's a TN panel though. Seeing that the HP 22" is selling for RM1.3k currently, i have a feeling the 24" won't be that cheap. More likely would be around RM1.6k or so.heard from my fren that this monitor will be @ 1400 Retail.... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF...3-80644001.html can't wait for the HDMI on the PS3 !! Added on September 6, 2007, 5:33 pmgood news !! hp launch the w2408h HDMI monitor.... heard from my fren that this monitor will be @ 1400 Retail.... http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho/WF...3-80644001.html can't wait for the HDMI on the PS3 !! |
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Sep 7 2007, 10:30 AM
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wah... can think about that then... hmm...
er... it is a 16:10 ratio... not 16:9 then only VGA input... This post has been edited by michael9413: Sep 7 2007, 10:31 AM |
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Sep 7 2007, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM) The BenQ FP241WZ would be the best currently, it has hdmi input and selling for about RM1899. hmm i think the HDMI HP at $1400 - USD lah OMG! That's really cheap, but it's a TN panel though. Seeing that the HP 22" is selling for RM1.3k currently, i have a feeling the 24" won't be that cheap. More likely would be around RM1.6k or so. |
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Sep 7 2007, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 7 2007, 10:32 AM) hmm i think the HDMI HP at $1400 - USD lah LOL, no one would buy a 24" TN-panel lcd for that price. |
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Sep 10 2007, 05:46 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 7 2007, 08:53 PM) LOL, no one would buy a 24" TN-panel lcd for that price. or maybe aussie price |
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Sep 10 2007, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 6 2007, 06:44 PM) The BenQ FP241WZ would be the best currently, it has hdmi input and selling for about RM1899. thanks.anyway, i dunno if it even can be compared (LCD monitor vs. LCD TV ) but how bout that with LG 26LCR LCD TV? which one better? almost the same price at rm1999 |
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Sep 10 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Sep 10 2007, 01:37 PM) thanks. For me, i'd rather pick the BenQ 24" monitor. What other stuffs are u planning to use with your future lcd? anyway, i dunno if it even can be compared (LCD monitor vs. LCD TV ) but how bout that with LG 26LCR LCD TV? which one better? almost the same price at rm1999 |
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Sep 10 2007, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 10 2007, 02:52 PM) For me, i'd rather pick the BenQ 24" monitor. What other stuffs are u planning to use with your future lcd? I second that. |
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Sep 10 2007, 05:15 PM
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y tot???
LCD TV you can play DVD movies all things direct but LCD Monitor you don have all those input... |
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Sep 10 2007, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Sep 10 2007, 05:15 PM) y tot??? Coz the BenQ 24" has all the necessary inputs, only thing missing is the speakers. LCD TV you can play DVD movies all things direct but LCD Monitor you don have all those input... Actually it also depends on what u're gonna use it with. If you're gonna use it more for dvd player, watching tv and playing console games and not gonna use it with a PC. I'd say picking an lcdtv is also a good choice. |
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Sep 10 2007, 06:05 PM
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Yep, if it's for me a person always in front of his computer then it's a good bet to go with the LCD monitor. If it's a person that prefers to watch tv, dvds, and play consoles alone then the LCD tv might be a better idea. |
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Sep 11 2007, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Sep 10 2007, 05:15 PM) y tot??? the Benq 24in is supposed to be a crossover between tv and a computer monitor. It has Benq's propertriary software image inhancement that is employed on Benq's LCD TVs. It also has video connections that is basically unneccesary for computer monitors such as Component, HDMI and composit video inputs LCD TV you can play DVD movies all things direct but LCD Monitor you don have all those input... |
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Sep 11 2007, 08:17 AM
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like others have said, the fp241 has everything except - atsc tuner, speaker, remote.
another thing why the fp241 is better than many screen is because of the quality of the panel. It doesnt have any sort of banding, and this is extremely rare. I wont buy an LCD TV unless it is dirt cheap or it is free from banding, which I haven't seen any, yet. |
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Sep 13 2007, 06:33 AM
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ah .. NEC is incorporating HDMI in its 22 and 24 computer LCD monitors
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Sep 14 2007, 09:11 PM
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got myswelf the hp monitor already...... book with the hp store.
guess how much? 1400 !!! forget about 22".... very cool!!! am swithcing from lanscape to potrait mode.... dual switchable input..      http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mov00517ye8.flv http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mov00518pw9.flv still exploring the monitor now.... more update soon Added on September 14, 2007, 9:33 pm   This post has been edited by ipaqfreak: Sep 14 2007, 09:45 PM |
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Sep 14 2007, 10:36 PM
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^ does the monitor have a 16:9 aspect mode?
looks great. nice price for a 24" |
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Sep 14 2007, 11:09 PM
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wow!
RM1.4k only? might save up for this instead |
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Sep 14 2007, 11:45 PM
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waaa very nice!!
i want to buy that osso. which hp store??  |
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Sep 15 2007, 12:46 AM
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wo !!! want to do MO???
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Sep 15 2007, 12:59 AM
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dude.. what hp model is that? 1400 only so cheap meh?
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Sep 15 2007, 11:52 AM
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Wow looks so cool! Make me wanna get another 24" screen
Ehhhhh how many port it support? Dun see any Component Cable input? This post has been edited by 300078: Sep 15 2007, 11:54 AM |
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Sep 16 2007, 01:59 PM
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How about this.....
(Dell 24" and BenQ 24") http://cblog.cari.com.my/?181342/viewspace-56798.html Attached image(s)   |
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Sep 16 2007, 05:36 PM
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well, the reason I choose this one is the Rotatable function..... can the benQ & dell do that?
some more got ambience sensor... Added on September 16, 2007, 5:37 pm QUOTE(300078 @ Sep 15 2007, 11:52 AM) Wow looks so cool! Make me wanna get another 24" screen Got HDMI liao coomponent for what?......Ehhhhh how many port it support? Dun see any Component Cable input? got 4 USB 2.0 out... VGA & audio in Added on September 16, 2007, 5:39 pm QUOTE(acougan @ Sep 14 2007, 10:36 PM) ^ does the monitor have a 16:9 aspect mode? just found out that it has 16:9, 14:10 mode also..looks great. nice price for a 24" fill to screen, Fill Aspect ratio mode... Added on September 16, 2007, 5:41 pm QUOTE(raist86 @ Sep 15 2007, 12:59 AM) dude.. what hp model is that? 1400 only so cheap meh? the model is w2408hcheck page 3 my post for detail.. just call the shop asking for extra unit, stock just finished... waiting for new one..... This post has been edited by ipaqfreak: Sep 16 2007, 05:41 PM |
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Sep 16 2007, 05:41 PM
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hp is good ?
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Sep 16 2007, 05:42 PM
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where did u get a 24" HP for rm1400?
tell ler... edit: Read the 3rd page. Thanks. This post has been edited by Gurdian: Sep 16 2007, 05:45 PM |
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Sep 16 2007, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(ipaqfreak @ Sep 16 2007, 05:36 PM) well, the reason I choose this one is the Rotatable function..... can the benQ & dell do that? Both Dell n BenQ can rotate and have component, composite n s-video input if you wanna connect other devices such as consoles or dvd player to the monitor. But for RM1400, the HP 24" is sure a good deal. some more got ambience sensor... Added on September 16, 2007, 5:37 pm Got HDMI liao coomponent for what?...... got 4 USB 2.0 out... VGA & audio in Edit: Can you use the fill aspect mode with the PS3 @ 1080p? This post has been edited by redbull_y2k: Sep 16 2007, 05:48 PM |
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Sep 16 2007, 05:49 PM
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1400? overkill cheap price wei omg?
its time to combo this  |
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Sep 16 2007, 06:52 PM
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any hp store will have that model?
dam good buy |
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Sep 16 2007, 06:58 PM
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bro, can tell which shop selling it? REALLY REALLY CHEAP PRICE for a 24".. please tell me it's not staff purchase and it's in RM.
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Sep 16 2007, 08:48 PM
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omg RM1400 for a HDMI 24'.. HP brand lagi .. those 22' selling at <>RM1200 can sau tong oredi ... RM1400 is too cheap to be true lah!!
come on tell tell tell us where you bought the monitor oredi Added on September 16, 2007, 8:55 pmomg HP Malaysia's price listing http://h50198.www5.hp.com/store/default.asp?This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 16 2007, 08:55 PM |
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Sep 16 2007, 09:22 PM
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erm.. where got list the price wor???
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Sep 16 2007, 11:41 PM
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Some Review of the monitor....
http://lcd.zol.com.cn/65/653127.html hehehe, I guess I bought it cheap already.... the CHiNA Price is 3999RMB... that's abt RM1900 will call hp tomorow to check |
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Sep 16 2007, 11:47 PM
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Let us know please...
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Sep 17 2007, 01:48 AM
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eh dont just talk
please some prove and shit before the flame begins ipaq remember last time u wanted to started an uproar in my thread when i was selling my xbox away ppl keep asking and u keep delaying the answer wth This post has been edited by aegis`-: Sep 17 2007, 01:49 AM |
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Sep 17 2007, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Sep 16 2007, 09:22 PM) erm.. where got list the price wor??? the 20in LCDs are listed at <>RM1,400 so go figure !! |
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Sep 17 2007, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Sep 17 2007, 01:48 AM) eh dont just talk you like it you read it, you dun like it beat it ! please some prove and shit before the flame begins ipaq remember last time u wanted to started an uproar in my thread when i was selling my xbox away ppl keep asking and u keep delaying the answer wth   What proof? what i need to proof? proof I bought the monitor? I don't need to.... hey, did not you see my photo attached? special for you ! attached another one. 
since when I "uproar" (and what is that mean?) your selling thread?? I am not 24 hour on lowyat.net ok? and what you mean I delay the answer? sharing information also kena "T.i.u" better not share anything next time..... This post has been edited by ipaqfreak: Sep 17 2007, 09:59 AM |
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Sep 17 2007, 11:33 AM
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after numerous post, n yet u still haven't tell us where u got the lcd from.
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Sep 17 2007, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 17 2007, 11:33 AM) after numerous post, n yet u still haven't tell us where u got the lcd from. I gotten from the hp store outside lowyat. |
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Sep 17 2007, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(ipaqfreak @ Sep 17 2007, 09:50 AM) you like it you read it, you dun like it beat it ! omg - i always think that generation of IMAC was much more better looking than the new gen What proof? what i need to proof? proof I bought the monitor? I don't need to.... hey, did not you see my photo attached? special for you ! attached another one.
since when I "uproar" (and what is that mean?) your selling thread?? I am not 24 hour on lowyat.net ok? and what you mean I delay the answer? sharing information also kena "T.i.u" better not share anything next time..... |
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Sep 17 2007, 12:52 PM
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yeah , that's why I am still keeping it.
very good machine ! and by the way, the RM1400 no more already........ heard the shop mentioned that the price was wrongly quoted from HP... is suppose to be RM1700... sigh............... sorry dudes. |
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Sep 17 2007, 04:55 PM
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i've just contacted my aunt working in a company dealing with HP. Can get the monitor for 1400-1500.. anyone interested?
if yes, den i guess we can pool orders and get the monitor. It'll have warranty. |
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Sep 18 2007, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Sep 17 2007, 04:55 PM) i've just contacted my aunt working in a company dealing with HP. Can get the monitor for 1400-1500.. anyone interested? I bet you will have PLENTY OF BUSINESS !! and please dont sell out the stock too fast !! RM1400-$1500 is CHEAP for a HDMI 24' monitor . DAMN CHEAP !!if yes, den i guess we can pool orders and get the monitor. It'll have warranty. |
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Sep 18 2007, 10:38 AM
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I guess the price is low because it's made using TN panel, not S-IPS or S-PVA like those higher end brand.
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Sep 18 2007, 02:59 PM
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here i am, confuse to choose over a 26" LG LCD TV or a 24" Benq mon
then ipaqfreak comes.. 24" HP around rm1400.. more confuse then ever, maybe i should hold me purchase afterall |
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Sep 18 2007, 03:17 PM
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i can't get the monitor.. HP won't sell directly to supplier and system integrators.. hence, the company i'm dealing with cannot buy it. The only way to get the monitor is through HP retail outlets. and the RRP is RM 1799 (this is confirmed).
I guess with that price, it's better to pay abit more and get the 2407wfp -hc from DELL considering that it has so many inputs and the fact that it's a S-IPS panel. |
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Sep 21 2007, 10:23 PM
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typo or serious? Even if RM2400 with HDMI also consider cheap man
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Sep 23 2007, 04:51 PM
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i promise. i got mine for RM2100
37", 1080p, 800:1 contrast ratio, 2 DVIs (DHCP compatible) HDMI would be awesome, but as i use it as my pc monitor, it doesnt really matter as audio comes straight from the PC itself. This post has been edited by mypetridish: Sep 23 2007, 04:52 PM |
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Sep 23 2007, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 23 2007, 04:51 PM) i promise. i got mine for RM2100 bro, people talking about 24 inch monitor la... you talking about 37 inch tv 37", 1080p, 800:1 contrast ratio, 2 DVIs (DHCP compatible) HDMI would be awesome, but as i use it as my pc monitor, it doesnt really matter as audio comes straight from the PC itself. |
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Sep 23 2007, 05:50 PM
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no, my monitor is a.. monitor. it doesnt have a tv tuner thus it qualifies as a computer monitor.
its 1920 by 1080 resolution isnt something to look down upon either. This post has been edited by mypetridish: Sep 23 2007, 05:50 PM |
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Sep 23 2007, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 23 2007, 05:50 PM) no, my monitor is a.. monitor. it doesnt have a tv tuner thus it qualifies as a computer monitor. where did u get it from? its 1920 by 1080 resolution isnt something to look down upon either. |
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Sep 23 2007, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 23 2007, 05:50 PM) no, my monitor is a.. monitor. it doesnt have a tv tuner thus it qualifies as a computer monitor. wah, 37 inch monitor...damn power ! its 1920 by 1080 resolution isnt something to look down upon either. |
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Sep 23 2007, 10:57 PM
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what model is it?
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Sep 24 2007, 01:29 AM
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Westinghouse LVM-37W1
review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1885046,00.asp  i got it online. malaysia really needs some china brand flat panel monitors. |
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Sep 24 2007, 04:26 AM
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QUOTE(blackshirt @ Sep 21 2007, 10:23 PM) typo or serious? Even if RM2400 with HDMI also consider cheap man HDMI 24in at RM2400 is CUT THROAT!! Low yat selling 24in HDMI with picture software enhancement at $1899 and $2199 (come with free DVD player summore)Added on September 24, 2007, 4:32 am QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 23 2007, 05:50 PM) no, my monitor is a.. monitor. it doesnt have a tv tuner thus it qualifies as a computer monitor. Plenty of HDTV are without the built in TV tuner. we do not need a built in HD tuner anyway. we wont see any terrestrial HD programing soon its 1920 by 1080 resolution isnt something to look down upon either. if we get it from U Telecom or Astro, we will get the HD decoder. HDTV - built in tuner. HDTV ready no built in tuner n yes we HAVE plenty of China mary LCD TVs and monitors . One, Chi Mei, Shinco, Haeir, Pensonic, Gelombang Cekal - GC (rebraned locally )This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 24 2007, 04:32 AM |
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Sep 24 2007, 04:38 AM
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then the market could use some competition. westinghouse and verizo, although a step bellow them prime brands manage to give them some competition. sony misplaced their lcd tv prices and noone is buying them
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Sep 24 2007, 04:40 AM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 24 2007, 01:29 AM) Westinghouse LVM-37W1 that is not a monitor - that is a Display review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1885046,00.asp i got it online. malaysia really needs some china brand flat panel monitors. Added on September 24, 2007, 4:42 am QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 24 2007, 04:38 AM) then the market could use some competition. westinghouse and verizo, although a step bellow them prime brands manage to give them some competition. sony misplaced their lcd tv prices and noone is buying them padan muka liau. Sony still think their competitors are behind them technologically as 15years ago. Someone needs slap Sony to their sense that other brands are selling BETTER products at cheaper price !!This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 24 2007, 04:42 AM |
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Sep 24 2007, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 23 2007, 03:40 PM) that is not a monitor - that is a Display if i had more money, i would buy sharp aquous and not SOny. i dontknow why, their products are not appealing to the american consumers, while Malaysian consumers arent getting any bargain prices despite the advent of china brands.Added on September 24, 2007, 4:42 am padan muka liau. Sony still think their competitors are behind them technologically as 15years ago. Someone needs slap Sony to their sense that other brands are selling BETTER products at cheaper price !! |
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Sep 24 2007, 11:34 AM
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the 50in pioneer plasmas are msrp at more expensive than some of the new kancil model lol go figure !!
only in Malaysia, tvs are more expensive than new cars while some cars are 2x or 3x the prices of houses !! |
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Sep 24 2007, 11:47 AM
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hm? really? a 50" pioneer plasma only cost $2000. how much does it fetch in malaysia?
http://www.nextag.com/pioneer-50-inch-plasma-tv/search-html |
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Sep 24 2007, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 24 2007, 11:47 AM) hm? really? a 50" pioneer plasma only cost $2000. how much does it fetch in malaysia? i believe Denki is selling the Pioneer 50in 1080p elite at MSRP nearly RM30K and marked down to retail RM19Khttp://www.nextag.com/pioneer-50-inch-plasma-tv/search-html |
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Sep 24 2007, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 24 2007, 04:40 AM) padan muka liau. Sony still think their competitors are behind them technologically as 15years ago. Someone needs slap Sony to their sense that other brands are selling BETTER products at cheaper price !! Sony just came out with a new 1080p W-series Bravia. The 40" KLV-40W300A is selling for RM9,999. I guess that's cheaper than most other 1080p brands locally. So now we have Sony n Philips 1080p lcdtvs below RM10k. |
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Sep 24 2007, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 24 2007, 01:49 PM) Sony just came out with a new 1080p W-series Bravia. The 40" KLV-40W300A is selling for RM9,999. I guess that's cheaper than most other 1080p brands locally. So now we have Sony n Philips 1080p lcdtvs below RM10k. the Sony price is MSRP or retail price? the philips price is for 37in if i am not mistaken but that is the MSRP price. should be cheaper retail |
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Sep 24 2007, 09:05 PM
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how much is the philips 37" msrp? is it 1080p? wanna compare to my price
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Sep 24 2007, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 24 2007, 09:05 PM) how much is the philips 37" msrp? is it 1080p? wanna compare to my price Yup, 1080p. Price is RM5499 at Best Denki. |
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Sep 24 2007, 10:08 PM
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wao wii.. so pricey.. hmm
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Sep 25 2007, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 24 2007, 10:08 PM) wao wii.. so pricey.. hmm compare to equivalent model la... not with your Westinghouse. |
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Sep 25 2007, 03:52 AM
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QUOTE(Ninja @ Sep 24 2007, 10:04 PM) Yup, 1080p. Price is RM5499 at Best Denki. huh soo cheap ? that is almost 50% of the MRSP |
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Sep 25 2007, 04:26 AM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 25 2007, 03:52 AM) huh soo cheap ? that is almost 50% of the MRSP Ermm..... that's a 37" mind you. The RM9999 is for the 40" Philips, n there was a promo at Jusco selling the 40" for RM6999 only. |
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Sep 25 2007, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 25 2007, 04:26 AM) Ermm..... that's a 37" mind you. The RM9999 is for the 40" Philips, n there was a promo at Jusco selling the 40" for RM6999 only. huh http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/e...pare%3Bfalse%5D can some some tell me which one is price at price ? they all some much more cheaper on this thread  |
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Sep 25 2007, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 25 2007, 06:03 AM) huh Oooops it's 42" not 40". http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/e...pare%3Bfalse%5D can some some tell me which one is price at price ? they all some much more cheaper on this thread See in the pic above, it's already written what. The model is 37PFL7422, and the 42" is 42PFL7422 which retails for RM9,999. |
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Sep 25 2007, 12:32 PM
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i only realized mypetridish's 37" LCD size on that pic until i compared it with a ps2 on his table.. its friggin' huge!!
 where did u get it again? |
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Sep 25 2007, 11:16 PM
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i got it online. ecost.com or the like...
RM2100.. awesome price kan? heee |
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Sep 26 2007, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 25 2007, 11:57 AM) Oooops it's 42" not 40". yeah and someone posted this . it is selling at RM6999 42in 1080p Full HD .. Pixel Plus HD picture enhancement engine See in the pic above, it's already written what. The model is 37PFL7422, and the 42" is 42PFL7422 which retails for RM9,999. the price is from Jaya Jusco  This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 26 2007, 01:55 AM |
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Oct 5 2007, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Sep 25 2007, 11:16 PM) i got it online. ecost.com or the like... er how much total +tax and delivery?RM2100.. awesome price kan? heee |
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Oct 5 2007, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(ipaqfreak @ Sep 17 2007, 12:32 PM) I gotten from the hp store outside lowyat. thats what we wanted |
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Nov 2 2007, 08:45 PM
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quick question, where can one find these hdmi 24" lcds? i've searched in lowyat & most of them only sell 22". except for the hp store outside lowyat of course.
and a question for ipaq, does the audio comes out from the monitor or do u have to use external speakers if u use the hdmi port? thanks. |
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Nov 4 2007, 03:21 AM
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Hi guys, was thinking of getting a 24" lcd monitor.
Actually choose Benq cause of the HDMI input. has anyone tried the Benq FP241VW? Any Reviews for that? I know the FP241W Z came out as suggestions a few times in this thread. Which one is actually better? or perhaps better value for money. And more importantly which shop and where should i go to make a purchase for these Benq monitors. Thanks in advance guys |
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Nov 5 2007, 12:13 PM
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m using that benq VW..connect my ps3 using hdmi,360 component and pc dvi..component can support 1080P,got 1:1 mapping..ps3 looks gorgeous..
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Nov 5 2007, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(se7enhafiz @ Nov 5 2007, 12:13 PM) m using that benq VW..connect my ps3 using hdmi,360 component and pc dvi..component can support 1080P,got 1:1 mapping..ps3 looks gorgeous.. waahhhhow much u bought.... how much i can get for 24 lcd monitor now? |
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Nov 5 2007, 04:13 PM
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i bought mine RM 2399...very nice unit la..but the price a bit on the high side..
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Nov 5 2007, 05:59 PM
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Hi i just purchased mine (FP241VW) yesterday from Low Yat for RM2099. (editeD)
Very good monitor. when tried at the shop they used a D-Sub connection the screen was wavering alot, was quite scared, but they say it was the cable problem. Went home and tried still wavering. But i found out it was due the settings not calibrated properly. Used the Auto test program in the CD supplied with the monitor and suddenly the screen was perfect. Two A4 word documents side by side was no problem Put in my Xbox 360 with component cables (Blue Red and Green) and the picture is sooo good. Ive been using normal tv all the while and suddenly Bioshock, gears of war looks so damn good!!! The only problem is how come it doesn't have any sound input jack (white colour) for component or composite inputs! I'm sorry i'm a big newbie to this, but i'm using computer altec lansing (sp?) speakers and i normally plug in the speakers to the earphone jack on my TVs. se7enhafiz when you're playing your xbox360 where do you connect your "White" input jack to ? For me to have sound, i have to use a strange method which is, i have to plug the white composite cable into my old tv and then plug my altec lansing speakers to my old tv earphone jack, while my visuals (component) cables is plug to my lcd monitor. That way my sound is kinda routed via my old tv and my visuals is from my new lcd. I suppose if i had a home theatre sound system i can plug it to that. But is there any other way? And if i used HDMI or DVI-D connections will i be able to use the earphone jack on my Benq lcd monitor to hear sounds?(as this problem seem to be for component/composite connections as there is no audio input (white)) If anyone can help me out i'll be really appreciative. thanks! (Edit: Spelling errors, SORRY RM2099 NOT 1,099 TYPO!!!! sorry for confusion) This post has been edited by primuslim: Nov 5 2007, 06:03 PM |
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Nov 5 2007, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(primuslim @ Nov 5 2007, 05:59 PM) Hi i just purchased mine yesterday from Low Yat for RM1099. RM1099 for 24" LCD monitor Very good monitor. when tried at the shop they used a D-Sub connection the screen was wavering alot, was quite scared, but they say it was the cable problem. Went home and tried still wavering. But i found out it was due the settings not calibrated properly. Used the Auto test program in the CD supplied with the monitor and suddenly the screen was perfect. Two A4 word documents side by side was no problem Put in my Xbox 360 with component cables (Blue Red and Green) and the picture is sooo good. Ive been using normal tv all the while and suddenly Bioshock, gears of war looks so damn good!!! The only problem is how come it doesn't have any sound input jack (white colour) for component or composite inputs! I'm sorry i'm a big newbie to this, but i'm using computer altec lansing (sp?) speakers and i normally plug in the speakers to the earphone jack on my TVs. se7enhafiz when you're playing your xbox360 where do you connection your "White" input jack to ? For me to have sound, i have to use a strange method which is, i have to plug the white composite cable into my old tv and then plug my altec lansing speakers to my old tv earphone jack, while my visuals (component) cables is plug to my lcd monitor. That way my sound is kinda routed via my old tv and my visuals is from my new lcd. I suppose if i had a home theatre sound system i can plug it to that. But is there any other way? And if i used HDMI or DVI-D connections will i be able to use the earphone jack on my Benq lcd monitor to hear sounds? If anyone can help me out i'll be really appreciative. thanks!  what model is that? Usually pc monitors don't include speakers so thats why you can't find the red/white cable input jack.. Edited : Hehe.. saw your correction already This post has been edited by SkyX: Nov 5 2007, 06:04 PM |
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Nov 5 2007, 06:03 PM
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primuslim, which model did you buy?
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Nov 5 2007, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(SkyX @ Nov 5 2007, 06.01 PM) RM1099 for 24" LCD monitor what model is that? Usually pc monitors don't include speakers so thats why you can't find the red/white cable input jack.. Edited : Hehe.. saw your correction already Thanks for your reply SkyX. Would you know if i used a DVI-D or HDMI connection, would the earphone jack on the monitor work then? thanks. and i'm curious how other people who uses a Xbox360 on this monitor get their sound out. Any help on this would be grealy appreciated. QUOTE(deitylord @ Nov 5 2007, 06:03 PM) primuslim, which model did you buy? I bought Benq FP241 VW Sorry if i was unclear, was following up on my earlier posts.This post has been edited by primuslim: Nov 5 2007, 07:32 PM |
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Nov 5 2007, 09:37 PM
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You could buy a female to female RCA(your red/white cable) to mini-jack(your pc speakers cable) converter
Edited : something like this credit to IGN.comhttp://media.gear.ign.com/articles/703/703...mg_3543767.html btw, I was hoping to buy the same LCD you got there too This post has been edited by SkyX: Nov 5 2007, 09:41 PM |
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Nov 6 2007, 04:56 PM
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i think the DELL 24 inch is the best deal around.
i myself only using the 22inch cause budget haha |
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Nov 7 2007, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE(SkyX @ Nov 5 2007, 09:37 PM) You could buy a female to female RCA(your red/white cable) to mini-jack(your pc speakers cable) converter Thanks SkyX, its a good LCD, i highly recommend it. No regrets so far, WELL, i suppose when my credit card statement comes i'll regret a little Edited : something like this credit to IGN.comhttp://media.gear.ign.com/articles/703/703...mg_3543767.html btw, I was hoping to buy the same LCD you got there too but i've been planning and thinking this through sometime, and the monitor works great!Set my xbox at 1080p and games looks just great. but i do admit i'm not very good at this area, and i haven't done a very extensive research, so other models might be better. according to ruztynail dell might be good. But hey i'm happy with my unit and if you ask me go buy it |
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Nov 8 2007, 10:40 PM
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dear all,
can i hv 1 Q r sony bravia w series with built in hd tuner ? coz i live in JB , can detected media corp HD5 PROGRAME . WHERE ICAN I BUY THE HD DIGITAL TUNER? |
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Nov 17 2007, 12:04 PM
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hi, i'm planning to buy 24" lcd monitor to play xbox360 and use for my desktop. now i have 2 brand in mind. HP and BenQ (BenQ have 2 model). Can u suggest which 1 is better. i can see that the BenQ response time is 16ms. is this ok to play game. Where to buy BenQ lcd monitor for cheap price ? thank you
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Nov 19 2007, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(primuslim @ Nov 5 2007, 05:59 PM) Hi i just purchased mine (FP241VW) yesterday from Low Yat for RM2099. (editeD) which shop did u buy from? i cant find any shop having this model in lowyat Very good monitor. when tried at the shop they used a D-Sub connection the screen was wavering alot, was quite scared, but they say it was the cable problem. Went home and tried still wavering. But i found out it was due the settings not calibrated properly. Used the Auto test program in the CD supplied with the monitor and suddenly the screen was perfect. Two A4 word documents side by side was no problem Put in my Xbox 360 with component cables (Blue Red and Green) and the picture is sooo good. Ive been using normal tv all the while and suddenly Bioshock, gears of war looks so damn good!!! The only problem is how come it doesn't have any sound input jack (white colour) for component or composite inputs! I'm sorry i'm a big newbie to this, but i'm using computer altec lansing (sp?) speakers and i normally plug in the speakers to the earphone jack on my TVs. se7enhafiz when you're playing your xbox360 where do you connect your "White" input jack to ? For me to have sound, i have to use a strange method which is, i have to plug the white composite cable into my old tv and then plug my altec lansing speakers to my old tv earphone jack, while my visuals (component) cables is plug to my lcd monitor. That way my sound is kinda routed via my old tv and my visuals is from my new lcd. I suppose if i had a home theatre sound system i can plug it to that. But is there any other way? And if i used HDMI or DVI-D connections will i be able to use the earphone jack on my Benq lcd monitor to hear sounds?(as this problem seem to be for component/composite connections as there is no audio input (white)) If anyone can help me out i'll be really appreciative. thanks! (Edit: Spelling errors, SORRY RM2099 NOT 1,099 TYPO!!!! sorry for confusion) |
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@ jerrie: I have moved your post to the HDTV thread.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/123247 I'm closing this, as we're trying to condense all HDTV/LCD discussions there. Thanks. |
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