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Please give us the link where you say Leonardo claim it is BVR capable.

Please give us all the links of "i dont know i repeat what i read".

If you cannot, even with the use of Mr. Google, you are actually a compulsive liar, or you are hallucinating.

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Its very excruciating to read your badly worded sentences.

So tell me what kind of mission the american drone is designed to do? What does the MQ-9 can do that the TB2 cannot? Tell me what major wars does american drones managed to kill numerous tanks, artillery, missile launchers worth 1 billion dollars?

Also tell me what do you think we want to use our drones for?

https://youtu.be/S_X_9oWLmfU



This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 7 2021, 03:23 PM

Like i said. It's was the Korean news that's claim FA50 is not the Frontline contender since it doesn't have BVR capabilities.

As far as I know most news still report that the FA50 is still incapable of shooting amraam.

Just because US drones have been hunting Toyotas doesn't mean they are weak

Also, tell me: Who will win, fleet of drones or one jammy boi?



News got different quality lol

So you feel UAVs are useless?

What is your gameplan if malaysia is to go for your jammer plans?

At the moment, yes they are, particularly in the way you are proposing them to be used

The superpowers are developing Loyal Wingman drones and not fully autonomous drones for a reason

The Bayraktars excelled in a permissive environment where any MQ-9 or F-16 or A-10 could have done the same job really, as there wasn't much of a sophisticated air defence network in Azerbaijan

Nobody reads about the part where the entire Turkish drone fleet was instantly incapacitated once Russia provided jamming support in Syria

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Sep 7 2021, 03:48 PM

The most important role for UAVs is not killing, but situational awareness and information gathering.

Knowing the pattern of life of your area of operations.

knowing all the electronic emissions of the area.

gathering AIS informations of ships.

It would be useful above james shoal as is on the sulu seas.

I agree, but prior to this, you were talking about using armed drones for long range second strike and maritime deterrence lol

Actually the most critical "defence" agenda we have right now is to focus on the economy, tighten our anti-piracy/border patrol, and maintain surveillance on the shoals in support of our EEZ claim

We do not have the resources at the moment to do more

Well still a better worded statement than the e penis inflated statement that you are doing right now.


Ohh and the American are offering MQ9B. Surely a self proclaimed defense experts like yourself knows about it already. And you should probably know what it is used for.


If anything my suspicious of you just got bigger .

Let's buy non nato standard missile for the Sukhoi
Let's defense our land ourselves no need Allies
Let's buy experimental unmanned submarine
Let's buy non BVR non ship strike capable LCA
Let's buy Turkish land strike drone rather than a sea guardians.


Like i said, I'm not interested in weapon, i don't like things that go Kabooms, nor like the idea of killing people. So am not interested in minute details. I'm mostly here mostly to know what these things can generally do, how much deterrence it can provide, as all i care is how much these things can safeguard our sovereignty.

Don't get me wrong, TB9 is a great drone. If what we wanted to do is to hunt down tanks & GBAD batteries basically to fight the Thai,the Singaporean and the Indonesian that's is. pretty useless drone to be use in the SCS.

Well that's the only source that's free to read and freely available.

Like i said, am not really a military junkie.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/def...50-golden-eagle

Fyi

Note that the hardware requirements are all fulfilled. It's the software.

Well I'm not trying to be an advocate of m346.
Realistically speaking who wants to see an uncool looking slow moving jet?

The FA50 is Unfourtunately Politically wise, likelihood of our politicians be brave enough to bought a jet with Israeli radars without demanding costly radar change is either none or a good starting point for potential normalization process.

Off course whatever TUDM bought now won't impact their CAP55 plans since this jet would be retired by 2055.

" Let's buy non nato standard missile for the Sukhoi "

NSM, Aselsan SOM and Taurus KEPD 350 are not NATO standard??????????????

" Let's defense our land ourselves no need Allies "

Allies are not going to patrol your EEZ in peacetime. 365 days in a year it is still no war and i am still waiting for china to declare war on us.

"Let's buy experimental unmanned submarine"

Lets buy experimental submarines that can really hit back to china so that we can free up money to get 10 large OPVs, which is what is really needed to push back chinese coast guard harassment 365 days in a year. Win-win.


" Let's buy non BVR non ship strike capable LCA "

Your M346 is not BVR capable at all, and cannot be made BVR capable. I am still waiting for you to provide me the links where you read about BVR M346. Where is it????????

"Let's buy Turkish land strike drone rather than a sea guardians"

You know what, Turkey IS A NATO MEMBER. TB2 can be used as maritime patrol UAV.
Taiwan bought just 4 sea guardians for 600 million dollars!!!!!
13 Bayraktar TB2 cost just 70 million dollars!!!!
You could buy 111 Bayraktar TB2 for the price of 4 sea guardian!!!!


Oh look, a Bayraktar TB2 of a Navy!!!! Just land strike????

lol

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So if not M346, not FA50, then what for LCA/FLIT????? What do you want TUDM to use?????

Israeli... Our F/A-18 already has israeli helmet mounted displays, and has israeli glide decoys.

Do you even understand what CAP55 plan even means??? You think that the CAP55 is a plan to be started in 2055 is it???

I am glad my parents did not bring me up to say such words to others. I hope your childrens grow up to be better than this.

Lmao

I know whose dupe that is already

So you good at serving insults but angry at getting served?

Guess your mom never teach you manners or told you that don't do things to others what you wish others won't do to you huh?

I'm not really sure what so great about going around showing people how much of a hipokrit you are by playing double standard?

As far as I know CAP55 is just a single poster infographic showing their plans asset type by 2055. I'm unaware of any defense white paper in which they details what's capabilities they seek, what's the budget, what's the amount nor the time frame of purchase. Not sure how people can extract much information out of it what's more claims that they absolutely KNOW what it means.

I'm only saying whatever they bought now won't be flying in 2055. They can buy an all FLIT fleet without the LCA components and still can claim it's still in line with CAP55. Since again this jet won't be flying by 2055.

Like i said, I'm not a military junkie. What's good having a preference, standby and praise that's preference, be disappointed when the preference aren't pick then get angry and shout corruption blah blah when the preference isn't pick?

I'm fully aware I'm a pipit and my opinion didn't matter to the helang nor see any value in being a pipit with overinflated ego.

So I'm more interested in guessing what's they eventually choose. Weapon purchase afterall isn't just about the technical aspects of the weapon, but it's also ties in economy, domestic politics, legal & illegal kickbacks, Geopolitics and so on.

As I see it


JF17 is a piece of shit that we would buy if we wanted to burnt the bridge with the US on the pretend of buying weapon with palm oil. Something that can only happened if Mahathir is PM. Others won't have the balls to do it.

FA50 is a competent jet. Thought the Israeli radar issues. Yes I'm well aware of we buying Israeli stuff & the amount of trade between us. Thought there's still plenty of Hamas lover domestically & doesn't seem like naturalization of relationship is something we desperately need. So i don't see why them politaik wants to poke a hornet nest.

and we don't seem to be interested in furthering economic or military relationship with the Korean. They are neutral in SCS conflict and not a member of the quad nor CPTPP. Kinda makes sense why ID & Thailand bought from them since they all have similar geopolitical objective.

M346 is a meh jet. But a safe option, it's also pretty cheap as 7 of those would be a replacement & it's a complete jet as Leonardo already spend their money for it R&D.

Off course it's carry with it some risk,.like the korean, this jet are there to carry & shoot amraam.and it would be a worthless piece of shit if the US won't sell us the amraam in the first place. A move they had reportedly pull for sometimes now to strong up other countries to bought jet from them rather than other competitor.

If what really needed is just some software updates, it's is quite weird to why the Korean hasn't did it yet and why the Pinoy acquired F16 rather than just update the software on FA50.


T7A has good potential & bright futures but as of now it's just pretty much just a prototype entering production. Pretty risky purchase but It's also one that can provide plenty of industrial kickbacks similar to how Airbus offered when we bought the A400M. We do produce parts for Boeing. Thought H20 DaGe & their wumao fanboys won't be pleased if we bought it.

Oh you know, the government always has the option of buying nothing as they had did for the last 10 years.

Sabah intrusion? Good for spying on terrorist there.