I assume they don't need such capacity because the EEZ is in our territories afterall and we can just change ship to look after the Chinese. They however don't have such luxury yet.


MMEA like BAKAMLA seems obsessed with having guns that's has anti air and anti surface components to it, So these organization seem More intended for war 1st and would do law enforcement during peacetime. So basically they are more similar to PGA? They are there to do the jobs the navy used to do while the navy themselves would go further out into international waters. Isn't that why ID,SG & MY navy ship had increase in sizes recently?

Personally whichever ship MMEA going to choose as the mothership, and since MMEA like BAKAMLA are also obsessed with having commonalities of equipment with their respective navy. Would mean the navy would get an upgraded version of such mothership vessel in the future just like how the talks are that the rebooted LMS is going to be a damen sigma?

Like i said this is not 'just' a borders dispute like Sipadan or batu putih.
The Chinese coast guard themselves are operating under the military police, They are afterall a military organization

it doesn't seem to me that what MMEA would want to do is to buy cheap ship that a sitting duck during wartime nor they want to match 1 to 1 of the numbers of Chinese ship. Seem like what they wanted to do is to have enough ship & gun to provide coastal defense.

I still don't get it.

Why can't jabatan laut bought those tugs and operate it the same way you envision MMEA operating those tug.

I still don't get the distinction of jabatan laut,polis marine, kastam and MMEA, seem like they all doing the same thing

Korean news outlets states that TD is looking at around 400 6x6 and another 36 4x4 exclusive for UN use.

So this one they shiok sendiri offer or TD do have a requirement?

This 6x6 has been on display by various contractors for a while now.

I say french should be favorite since their jaguar platforms can be SPH, simbas replacement and even scorpion replacement (if TD wants one)

Don't mind Hyundai rotem but please no manwha please 🥺

Read somewhere that current clvalry is filled with Adnan & gembita while armor use condors and pendekar.

So replace the Adnan with 6x6 to create a proper calvary then transfer those Adnan to armor to create a proper armour regiment?

Maybe they wanted it just to be compatible with other nato allied army and get themselves some Expeditory capabilities?

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 5 2021, 05:12 PM

How should I know.
Only repeat what I read
Nor I have much interest in detailed understanding of military stuff

So your e penis tegang yet or not?

The only reason Im interested in military news is due to the hint about the policies makers intention. No really because I like to see big things go Kabooms.

Also I said nothing about marine corps. I only said they may want to have the same equipment as other NATO compatible country. And nato equipment are by design deployable.

I may not know a lot about military stuff But what i do know is i highly suspicious of people who promote Malaysia defense for Malaysia only, downplay the Chinese threats and dislike the army compatibility with nato equipment & structure while wanting more Sukhoi.

Tender dah close kan?

Do you know who are the contender or when actually the winner going to be announced?

MALE & MPA punya tender also senyap MCM tu Aje.

Thought a Korean news mentioned TUDM wanted a BVR capable LCA & the FA50 aren't capable of it?

Personally doubt anyone else can offer a better deal then m346.
Since it's capable of BVR out of the box with 7 or something jet being free.

Don't know.
Leonardo the one that claim theirs are BVR capable
Use the same radar as Gripen C, can use Rafale targeting pod.
And unlike KAI, already have a finish product that's already being sold to Turkmenistan.

I only said it's highly unlikely KAI would want to spend for R&D to make FA50 BVR capable then sold 18 jet for the price of 11 unless they know for sure they going to win it.

Don't know.
Just repeat what I read.

Probably the contract is design simply to give Leonardo the advantage?

Then what?

Let's go buy a Turkish drone then an American drone to do the kind of mission the American drone are design to do?

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 7 2021, 02:56 PM

Like i said. It's was the Korean news that's claim FA50 is not the Frontline contender since it doesn't have BVR capabilities.

As far as I know most news still report that the FA50 is still incapable of shooting amraam.

Well still a better worded statement than the e penis inflated statement that you are doing right now.


Ohh and the American are offering MQ9B. Surely a self proclaimed defense experts like yourself knows about it already. And you should probably know what it is used for.


If anything my suspicious of you just got bigger .

Let's buy non nato standard missile for the Sukhoi
Let's defense our land ourselves no need Allies
Let's buy experimental unmanned submarine
Let's buy non BVR non ship strike capable LCA
Let's buy Turkish land strike drone rather than a sea guardians.


Like i said, I'm not interested in weapon, i don't like things that go Kabooms, nor like the idea of killing people. So am not interested in minute details. I'm mostly here mostly to know what these things can generally do, how much deterrence it can provide, as all i care is how much these things can safeguard our sovereignty.

Don't get me wrong, TB9 is a great drone. If what we wanted to do is to hunt down tanks & GBAD batteries basically to fight the Thai,the Singaporean and the Indonesian that's is. pretty useless drone to be use in the SCS.

Well that's the only source that's free to read and freely available.

Like i said, am not really a military junkie.

Well I'm not trying to be an advocate of m346.
Realistically speaking who wants to see an uncool looking slow moving jet?

The FA50 is Unfourtunately Politically wise, likelihood of our politicians be brave enough to bought a jet with Israeli radars without demanding costly radar change is either none or a good starting point for potential normalization process.

Off course whatever TUDM bought now won't impact their CAP55 plans since this jet would be retired by 2055.

So you good at serving insults but angry at getting served?

Guess your mom never teach you manners or told you that don't do things to others what you wish others won't do to you huh?

I'm not really sure what so great about going around showing people how much of a hipokrit you are by playing double standard?

As far as I know CAP55 is just a single poster infographic showing their plans asset type by 2055. I'm unaware of any defense white paper in which they details what's capabilities they seek, what's the budget, what's the amount nor the time frame of purchase. Not sure how people can extract much information out of it what's more claims that they absolutely KNOW what it means.

I'm only saying whatever they bought now won't be flying in 2055. They can buy an all FLIT fleet without the LCA components and still can claim it's still in line with CAP55. Since again this jet won't be flying by 2055.

Like i said, I'm not a military junkie. What's good having a preference, standby and praise that's preference, be disappointed when the preference aren't pick then get angry and shout corruption blah blah when the preference isn't pick?

I'm fully aware I'm a pipit and my opinion didn't matter to the helang nor see any value in being a pipit with overinflated ego.

So I'm more interested in guessing what's they eventually choose. Weapon purchase afterall isn't just about the technical aspects of the weapon, but it's also ties in economy, domestic politics, legal & illegal kickbacks, Geopolitics and so on.

As I see it


JF17 is a piece of shit that we would buy if we wanted to burnt the bridge with the US on the pretend of buying weapon with palm oil. Something that can only happened if Mahathir is PM. Others won't have the balls to do it.

FA50 is a competent jet. Thought the Israeli radar issues. Yes I'm well aware of we buying Israeli stuff & the amount of trade between us. Thought there's still plenty of Hamas lover domestically & doesn't seem like naturalization of relationship is something we desperately need. So i don't see why them politaik wants to poke a hornet nest.

and we don't seem to be interested in furthering economic or military relationship with the Korean. They are neutral in SCS conflict and not a member of the quad nor CPTPP. Kinda makes sense why ID & Thailand bought from them since they all have similar geopolitical objective.

M346 is a meh jet. But a safe option, it's also pretty cheap as 7 of those would be a replacement & it's a complete jet as Leonardo already spend their money for it R&D.

Off course it's carry with it some risk,.like the korean, this jet are there to carry & shoot amraam.and it would be a worthless piece of shit if the US won't sell us the amraam in the first place. A move they had reportedly pull for sometimes now to strong up other countries to bought jet from them rather than other competitor.

If what really needed is just some software updates, it's is quite weird to why the Korean hasn't did it yet and why the Pinoy acquired F16 rather than just update the software on FA50.


T7A has good potential & bright futures but as of now it's just pretty much just a prototype entering production. Pretty risky purchase but It's also one that can provide plenty of industrial kickbacks similar to how Airbus offered when we bought the A400M. We do produce parts for Boeing. Thought H20 DaGe & their wumao fanboys won't be pleased if we bought it.

Oh you know, the government always has the option of buying nothing as they had did for the last 10 years.

As for the asian option

Tejas is unfortunately a piece of shit, build to songlap money rather then for defense and unloved by their own military. Their aerodynamic design is questionable & delta wing being unstable by design means not very suitable for FLIT.

JF17 would likely result in CAATSA.

FA50 IMHO is quite unattractive, it's a jet build on top of Americans IP, use american engine & american weapon. Thus the jet had all the limitations of buying american without any of the benefits of buying america.


The biggest problem with a supersonic speed BVR capable LCA is, it's also nearing the F16 in it's price & maintenance cost. Which beg the question, is this hybrid LCA/FLIT plans really worth it? it could go as a brilliant success like the F5 or a failure like the F20. But if they really want to push through with Cap55 to the letter then T7A is a no brainer


If they get the M346, the next Malaysia plan they would likely won't order another round of LCA and go straight to MRCA. A very conservative but risk free options.There's a good chance IMO for us to get a slot to order F35 next Malaysia plan since the planned retirement of FA18 is in 2030. Have no idea if RMAF can afford it or not.

Well,They are comparing m346 master with FA50.
Basically comparing a USD 30 mil jet with USD 50 mil jet

Which Gripen? C or E?
E is usually quotes as costing USD 75 mil while the C cost USD 30 mil.

Even with the E, the difference of 5% is mostly in matter of air policing right? But in a real warfare adding that USD 25 mil from FA50 to Gripen E get you aesa radar, faster speed, electronic warfare, get to use amraam & meteor does make for a difference of night & day.

Or just spend USD 78 mil and get the ultimate killing machine, the F35. That's just USD 28 mil more then a FA-50.

And if FLIT wasn't a requirement, Gripen C do sounds like a much better option then a FA-50. Pay Half the price and get something even better. 18 normal FLIT + 18 Gripen C is still better buy then 36 FA50.

Or can always just go back and upgrade the hawk like RAF & RAAF is doing. It just need to keep flying long enough until the American & Saab get their economic of scale right and you can probably get a supersonic speed, BVR capable LCA/FLIT for cheap.

Or get a FLIT T7 this round and get the LCA version next Malaysia plan.

Or accept Leonardo very cost effective offer, (they 7 or so jet is already RM1 billions in savings), not to mention saving in setup cost, training & tooling since it's mostly there already and get a F35 next Malaysia plan.

Best option IMO, buy us the most amount of deterrence against china but still a bit of independence from US as we are not completely depends on US tech for air superiority. Again excluding weapon, the cost of 18 m346 master + 18 F35 is still not that much difference then buying 36 FA50.

With so much options around. It's hard to say FA50 Is the most superior deterrence options possible, nor it's the best offered in terms of bangs for the bucks.

That's why i said typical prices.

Everyone get different price. There's no guarantee the Korean are going to sell us FA50 at Philippines prices or other countries are going to sells to us the price they set for others. Just like MY can get MQ9B at 30% of TW prices.

Poland purchase additional m346 at 38 mil each but RAAF bought the full package for 35 mil each, USAF is paying around US25 mil each for the T7 and that's for R&D, manufacturing facility, simulator & jet. Poland is paying 200 million for f35A while RSAF is paying about the same amount of money but get F35B.

As for the FA50 block 20. I doubt it's is cheap. Since the first customer who demand such customization is the one paying for the R&D. Unless ROK gov wanted to subsidies it like they did for the rest of FA50 development. Something that maybe impossible since they are currently paying for KF21 development and the fact with T7 is around, additional sales of FA50 possibility just get dimmer. But if they are willing, then great.

Even if they are willing, it's maybe still not possible.If it's possible there's no need for Philippines to purchase either the F16V or Gripen C and just upgrade their FA50 software considering the limited budget they have.

the possibility that US is the one blocking amraam integration with FA50 to safeguard their jet sales is quite high. It is in US interest afterall everyone is using their avionics and thus they have a say in what each country would, could & should do. Doubt the US going to sit idle and let the Korean backdoors them and get rich by delivering freedom of choice to others country.

As for the budget. you are right the budget are tight. seem like TUDM typically get RM5 billion development budget for 5 years. And they wanted 18 LCA, 3 MALE, 2MPA, GBAD, few used FA18, few amraam for the LCA & GBAD for that's very limited budget. Something that's only probably possible if the sellers is subsidizing our purchases in exchange for furthering their national interest.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 10 2021, 08:43 AM

It's being dated & being phase out is probably a good reason to get it.

Could get ipai ipai lots of used missiles for cheap.

Could put it on a plane, put it on a ship,put in on a lorry. Put it everywhere and point it to the sky. It's maybe not the greatest, but at least it's something.



If we can get a used FA18
There's really no need to overspend on a LCA.

Buying a jet is also a 30 years worth of commitment.
Just because the FA50 is a more mature & better jet than T7 today doesn't mean it still is 10 years down the road.

And in 10 years both RAF & RAAF would likely get those T7 anyway. Isn't that one of the reason we get those hawk in the 1st place?