If Malaysian military was defending Afghanistan at full strength against the Taliban, what will be the outcome?

You are very obtuse. I tend to post less because of congenital idiots like you. The whole region needs to up the ante on defence because the security tapestry of the region if not East Asia is changing rapidly. That includes Indo. In your mind, it is always X versus Y country.

I dont get what u r getting act. Countries in SEA are officially non-aligned - to either China or US. Yes, some lean more to China or US contingent on their respective self interests (good or bad) which are actually transient (so there can be changes.) But no one in SEA wants to be forced to choose between US and China. It is just bad for security and trade. Who are the largest investors in ASEAN? US, China, Japan and Singapore.  ASEAN wants a benign China and a matured and non-confrontational relationship btw China, US and Japan so that SEA countries are not forced to choose sides. Not easy. We can try to influence but ASEAN is fractured and many countries in ASEAN are dysfunctional internally including Msia. So our words dont carry much weight. How do get external powers 2 take us seriously? Build up our defence capabilities so that we have a greater combined gravitas. It means that countries like Msia, Indo, Thai, etc. need to be up the ante on defence.

Your friend up there is stuck with an infantile fantasy of country x versus country y scenario from video games - youd think hed grow up?

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Medium tank is not designed to face MBT so as IFV is not designed to face medium tank.
Although IFV or medium tank is equipt with ATGM, I would consider it for "emergency" if situation is unavoidable.

Hmmmm....
I almost forgot even he US also start the MPF project acquring 105mm tank.
Bionix and K21 also adopted 105mm cannon.

Maybe TDM should consider it.
105mm cannon can be put on gempita.

Jaguar ebrc 6x6 can fill TDM requirement for UN mission.

I cannot say about other countries in SEA and their military dreams, but for Malaysia, we don't plan or we don't need military expeditionary capabilities.

Why should we? Our military is first and foremost is our tool to defend our country. That is defending our sea and soil from others, fighting on our own land and sea. Fighting the abu sayaf on sabah soil, fighting the communists, even fighting to our last man for the defence of singapore against the japanese in WW2. There is no need to gear up our military to fight on other people's land and sea expeditionarily like US forces. For example US navy "LCS" means fighting in other people's littoral thousands of miles from home.

Too much Holywood, too much Afghanistan, too much i want to be US Military.

And you lost track of reality and lose track of what is the main reason for your countries military.

the ability to influence is the the same meaning as expeditionary capability??

fighting over resources means needing expeditionary capability??

defending your own resources on your own territory and EEZ does not need any expeditionary capability.

unless you are planning to be the AGGRESSOR and is attacking another territory to gain its resources.

Malaysian military isn't geared to do aggression on other people's territory. So it does not need expeditionary capability. It is to defend malaysian territory and EEZ. Not to be a wannabe US military and trample over other people's territory.

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Could we defend our EEZ ourselves? If we have far-sighted and patriotic leaders, spend our resources wisely, and and maximise our revenues gained from our EEZ, in peacetime scenario, yes it is possible.

Pushing back Chinese coast guard, or at least keeping them in check can be done if MMEA is given sufficient resources to put an OPV 365 days on location where chinese coast guard lurks. Our MMEA is operating within 1 day sailing time from home, while chinese coast guard sails thousands of kilometers from home. Rather than wasting money buying expensive LMS and OPV for the navy, MMEA could buy plenty of OPVs for themselves. The LMS is more expensive than the MMEA DAMEN OPV that is as big as the Kedah class ship.


MMEA OPV


For example this Korean Coast guard OPV is larger than our Gowind frigates, but cost less than our LMS !!! This is the OPVs we should get to police our EEZ. We have the budget to get these kind of ships. For 1 Gowind, we could get 10 of these large coast guard OPV instead.

Defending EEZ without maximising our revenues from it is wasteful. Why Vietnamese, chinese and other fishing boats always fish on our EEZ? Because we don't. We need a programme to give grants for deep sea fishing. Modern fishing vessels need to be introduced with comfortable cabins so that locals are willing to work on them. Need to establish state-owned fishing companies with deep sea fishing boats (sarawak, sabah, kelantan comess to mind) to expand the industry. More fish processing factories need to be established to make fish products with longer shelf life (fishballs, fishcakes, fish fillets and burgers comes to mind).  Training institutes for fishing vessel crew needs to be established to train locals to work on fishing vessels.



So we must have 2 tiered defence plan

1. peacetime policing headed by MMEA. Large OPVs that will be on station (on rotation) every single day of the year. supported by surveillance by TUDM MPA and UAVs. For example, for the Beting Pattinggi Ali, MMEA need at least 3 large OPVs allocated to that area alone, to have at least 1 large OPV always on station 365 days a year.

2. Potent deterrence and second strike capability. This will be with more submarines, SU-30MKM with anti ship and land attack missiles. At least need to be able to strike back when attacked to buy time to go back to diplomatic table or reinforcements and help by allies.

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Security is not just when there is a full all out war.

The reality is, we need to prepare to uphold our security 99% of the time there is no conflicts.

To do that in our EEZ is with a credible MMEA force that is out there 24/7, to block chinese coast guard from having free reign in malaysian EEZ and enabling malaysian economic activity, oil and gas, fishing, tourism to be freely undertaken anywhere within our EEZ, while blocking any chinese attempt to do the same in our EEZ. If we succeed to prevent china from drilling for oil off sarawak coast, or able to chase away all chinese fishing vessels in our EEZ, then it means that we have upholded our security and sovereignty of our EEZ.

SG does not have an EEZ, so their circumstances and defence needs are very different than ours. Their prioritiy now has shifted from preempting a possible land attack to enabling a secure sea lines of communication and making sure singapore is not blockaded from the sea.

Deterrence and second strike does not mean the ability to fight head-on with the aggressor. We need to tackle it asymmetrically.

We need more subs that can lurk in the depths, that can attack the aggressors ships stealthily when the shooting starts. SU-30MKM will be our main strike "shoot and scoot", with the need for longer ranged missiles for stand-off attack capability. Things such as the Brahmos NG, NSM, SOM J and Taurus KEPD350 needs to be added to the MKM arsenal.

Something we really need to fully leverage for our deterrence. Right now we don't really have the means to pull or prevent a blockade. Something that we need to address.

The army needs to add NSM batteries to the Royal Artillery Regiment, more so than looking at 6x6 IFVs or even self propelled howitzers.

The Navy needs to recapitalise its mine countermeasures capability. More subs could roam the andaman sea to do blockading raids. Paskal + HOM AW139 would be a great asset to capture ships and do a tactic like the iranians are doing in the persian gulf.

The MMEA needs to have its own large salvage/rescue tugs to help with large ship grounding, sinking, burning, oil spill that can block the use of the straits of melacca.

They want to be a superpower. But they are trapped in 19th century mentality.

Subjecting other countries to fear you is not going to win you friends. You want other people to willfully be on your side. With its economic power china can easily do that.

rather than using fear tactics, just upholding UNCLOS, dropping the 9dash line and giving SEA countries recognition of their respective EEZ, and using its coast guard to help SEA countries to police them would immediately pull SEA countries into Chinese friendly orbit.

if they want extra sea areas, they can always offer pacific countries to be a part of chinese SAR like Macau or Hong Kong, i can see many cash strapped pacific islands more than willing to do that.

You don't need to sink all chinese ships to do blockade. just those around the straits.

How do you submerge your subs in the shallow Singapore straits? How do you run when you are playing in confined waters?

Jabatan laut stuff is geared mainly for bouy maintenance and other maritime aids. MV Polaris bollard pull of just 60 tons won't be too helpful against large supertankers or container ships.

something under MMEA could be used as OPVs too.

This is china coast guard version, and has been seen around james shoal too

we voted bossku out because of 1MDB.

we felt threatened because of what china is doing. if china changes tack, like doing away with the 9 dash line, chinese allies will come willingly.

Can you explain how exactly we target moving ships using SPH? Anyway if we can do that, less reason that we don't have enough ammo to sink chinese ships in the strait.
This is not Pirates of the Carribbean
We can have enough ships if we buy fit for purpose vessels. salvae tugs are cheap, and can stay out at sea for months if we want to use them like chinese coast guard does at james shoal.