That why I said they being langsi for no obvious reasons.
Their entire economy is based on US base lP which they then repackage and re esports. In a sense it pretty similar to TW & SG economy.

But then again, it's in our Best interest that they continue being langsi.

Another thing That's confused me.
tUDM just upgraded the c235 as a MSA
But they are looking at their replacement by 2030s.

Thought propellor plane last long for example the super Hercules was bought in 1976 and it still flying today?

Is RSAF 4x MRTT and RMAF 4x A400M is acquired as an eventual replacement for those vintage Hercules?

Which beg the question why RMAF wants to ditch it prematurely.

Only reason I could think off is they wanted another platforms as MPA and would transfer the CN 235 to other services probably MMEA perhaps?

Some news Report that your boss want a CN 235 replacement by 2030s

Why eh?

here says replacement in the 2030s
but super hercules would only be replace by 2045

why eh? isnt super hercules older then cn 235?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VGOZCB9jNC...iew?usp=sharing

Lol. Ingatkan politicians Aje kaki flip flop, gomen servants also flip flop as well.

So basically last guy want to convert CN as MPA
New guy want totally new platforms as MPA lah yer?


Thought turkey also ditch the CN 295 MPA for ATR 72. Guess it's useless as a platforms to find submarines?

ID is a democracy not a dictatorship one party state. So their plans just like with other democracy are fluids. One didn't care what their citizens think and thus can have long term acquisition schedule,

To say they can't afford it isn't true. They can afford it without increasing defense spending by just modernizing aka downsizing the size of their military personnel. PLA had downsize their army decades ago while US marine corps are doing it now.

Though having said that, all of their recent announcement seems to directed for domestic consumption rather than as a response to a changing security threats. If anything these whole announcement are just Probowo starting his 2024 presidential campaigns.

Scrambling for foreign loans particularly in foreign notes is pretty dangerous due to the instability of rupiah. The Rafale & fremm would likely involved local assembly which would shoot Probowo popularity (and wealth) through the roofs

Highly unlikely to get approval by MOF who herself might throw her hat into the presidential contest ring. Nor she would likely agree to increase defense spending at the cost of infrastructure development.

So next step for Probowo would likely to rallies up the public opinion to pressure MOF to do what he wants.

Lol. That's what the angmoh called balance of power.
It's a good thing according to Angmoh.
A lot of people give their live so that others can enjoyed it.
Of course in our case balance of power, just like independence & democracy it's is handed to us on a silver plater.

We live in the 21st century, we have no need for a God King to decide & told us what best for us. We decided it ourselves.

Infact in a way particularly in public transportation, creating e commerce unicorn, local entrepreneurship,.risk taking and so on, ID are far ahead and are more efficient then a God emperor dictatorship can ever hope to achieve. All God emperor are good at is stealing others unicorn & big companies by throwing dedak since a dictatorship would never allowed a space for such a thing to grow organically.

Don't oversell the chinese too much

As of now militarily they aren't that capable to threaten even Vietnam or pinoy by the neck what more us. If they could stop us drilling gas they would, the reason they didn't is because they couldn't.

Economic wise, they are a middle class export oriented country same as us, a relationship with them aren't as fruitful nor help us with our middle income traps (since they themselves are in it as well) as a relationship with rich consumption base economy of the west.

Don't undersell the sinkie too much, they are the biggest spenders on defense in asean, their military are highly mobile design for forward deployment, they can provide credible supplies lines and backups & unlike ID they seem more eager to take on the chinese.


ID can't be the shield between us & PRC simply because they don't want to. At least for now. They are public support for ID to be involved but like SK their gov doesn't seem to be very committed to it.

It does seem a lot of ASEAN countries got help probably from US to harmonize their defense spending to be competent individually but also compliment one another. Unlike MY & Pinoy that seem more or less stick to plans, ID seem trying hard to not do it.

Minimal essential force 2024 won't be achieved, there's no way they can get 150 jet & 150 surface combatants by 2024, they haven't increase defense spending nor reduce the size of the gurella style army
Infact the Rafale & fremm shows they going to do the same thing with leopard & apache. A feel good weapons but in minimal numbers to satisfied the locals voters rather than to create a credible expeditionary force.

ID try really hard to be neutral. They wanted to buy times, They try hard to not be too threatening to the chinese. But at the same time under pressure by neibors & citizens to counter the chinese. Maybe they change the stand by 2030 when their economy is among the 10th largest in the world with defense spending 300% then sinkie. But for now someone else has to man the fort. MY alone can't man the fort without SG assistance. SG had the tools, MY is trying to acquire the tools. ID ain't buying any tools for now.

Technically speaking ID/MY & SG are the one with hands on Chinese throats.

A simple blockage in the Singapore/malacca/makassar & sunda straits would bring chinese to their knees unable to acquire oil for war efforts, gas for electricity & factory nor even food to keep their citizens filled.

What do you think.

Currently we have No AEW&C, no submarines detection capable MPA, no anti ship shore based missiles, no GBAD, ASW Frigates are on shore, no self propelled howatzer, no anti air gun, no mines laying ship, no sub hunting heli also on our own.

But we do have friends, they can provide the things we lack for now but ID like India doesn't have Allies, doesn't want to be in any alliance,want to berdiri atas kaki sendiri and thus they ain't going strong anytime soon.

As far as I know they force us to take sinovac even when we like Sinki don't want it. Their engineering companies are shit, expensive, don't listen to main contractors, accident prone & heck lots expensive then our own engineering companies, ECRL are shithole, double the cost of KTM EDTP for half the track.


Their coast guard are in our water, not like we can chase them out as under international law they are allowed to be there, but unlike in Pinoy & Vietnam which they bullied around, they can't do shit to us, we dig for gas and they stood there watching , staying still can't do shit about it and run away whenever angmoh ship comes around.

We impose ADIZ on them and again, they can't do shit except complain that we are two face country.

China are a world power thanks to their population, so unless you are obsessed with the supremacy of their skin color, to me they are the same shit with India & indonesia.

Laughable that you think Having large population give them free ride to go from middle income traps to high income without a substantial domestic reforms which would fuck the CCP grabs on power as it has fuck the KMT & BN. Or do modern day neo colonialism which is being blocked by the west. They are stuck between a rock & hard place unable to move nor with their population already in decline this year has much time to spears.

If you compared them to us, yeah, they are more fucked up. We pretty much had choices liberal economic policy, pretty much had choose multiparty democracy, pretty much had choose to stick to current international law & orders, not to mention we ain't going to have a decline in population at least by 2050, even then, unlike them we ain't racist like them & disallowed new pendatang.


Saying china is a world power is laughable, most of their navy ships are coastal defense ship, their land army are lightly arms and immobile if anything they are just a different color skin army as ID army that you look down on.

LCA tender is out

https://www.malaysiandefence.com/game-on-fl...lca-tender-out/

So would their parliment ratified it?

If Not mistaken they already sign such a thing with Australia & Singapore before. but then their parliment refuse to ratified it.

It's a given considering the price.

Thailand to add 2 more

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...t-50th-aircraft

Boeing may not able to take in palm oil but they are more than capable to offer industrial offsets for their commercials plane components.