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Making hard decisions is never easy. But decisions need to be made over 2 years ago, and it was not done!

If BNS used 1 billion to payoff debts, then push BNS to give deals that is advantageous to TLDM, say okay we cannot do anything for this 6 ships, but if you want the additional money to proceed, you must sign a contract for ship 7 & 8 that is nearly at cost, to repay the 1 billion you use to pay off debt. Its something that can be done right??

Deciding to cancel some ships then, would mean another type of ship could already be built by now, with equipments bought transferred to the new design ship.

Deciding to move forward then, would still need additional money to be put into the project, but substantially less than what was needed now, and we could have our gowinds operational by now.

Whatever it is, he did not decide on anything. He did not do his job as a Menhan. Because he did not decide on anything for the gowind project, is one of the major causes that zero gowinds has been completed to date.

thing is, our gowind is just not big enough for guided missile type duty. If we look at other  area air defence ship, they are usually destroyer-sized ship, usually double the displacement of our LCS. Just look at Type 45 or any of the Aegis-capable ships. I do agree that gowind is pretty under equipped but to suggest that gowind could become our DDG is just stupid

Pay as much for the enlarged gowind as Egypt  paid for their small gowind. Then mau up armament lagi but still pay same price?😁😁

Just because they called it belharra doesn't mean it's a completely new platforms and not build on top of the gowind. Just look at Damen website to see all the variety & size Damen can produce on top of a single platforms or just look at all the variety, price range & brands of cars VW group produce on top of the golf platforms.
No reduction in weaponry then pay full RM12 billion price lah.
Also gov the one that's going to buy those weapon not BNS.

Shin Yang is very smart.....they sell a RoRo Ferry which is called LST. Pak Arab tak kesah pun.....hahahaha

Looking at ID frigate van speijk class that already 60 years old. There is no other way they have to replace it.
I think their initial plan was replaced  by sigma 10514 which already locally built 2 units.

I think they have changed the plan with 140m long ship to protect Natuna.
Unlike MY who open tender, ID directly makes official approach to many shipbuilders and negotiate how they will work together building the frigate.

It is not a matter of we can fork out RM12 billion.

You cannot reset the time and make the gowinds disappear. If I can, I would prefer to buy korean frigates like the Thai DW3000 instead with ESSM and what not.

But it is no use of pak pandir " kalaulah dulu buat itu, kalaulah dulu buat ini, might as well buy this, might as well buy that " It is easier to lament about the past than to really plan something that is workable for the future.

We cannot run away from the fact the gowinds is there. We need to settle the gowinds whatever it takes.
BTW the sigma is a design with many commercial specs to reduce cost. Design-wise the gowinds is better.

Damen OPV range and the Damen SIGMA design is totally separate.

Damen OPV hull form is optimised for slow running. SIGMA hull is optimised for higher speeds.

BTW if TLDM buy the SIGMA 8313 corvette, what is the game plan for those ships? What mission is it optimised for?

RM4 billion is a lot of money.

Damen OPV range and the Damen SIGMA design is totally separate.

Damen OPV hull form is optimised for slow running. SIGMA hull is optimised for higher speeds.

BTW if TLDM buy the SIGMA 8313 corvette, what is the game plan for those ships? What mission is it optimised for?

RM4 billion is a lot of money.

This is a support transport ship. Roro ship de. Not fighting ship

VL MICA isn't enough for fleet air defense...When attacked by FA-50 golden eagle armed with AGM-65, can't shoot back.
need at least CAMM-ER...preferably Aster 30

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TLDM isn't going to operate on its own. TUDM will provide air cover. Any operations within the Malaysian EEZ can be covered by the long range and high endurance SU-30MKM.

VL MICA has short 20km range (which is still double the 10km range of VL Seawolf of the Lekius). VL MICA NG has similar range to CAMM-ER. We have only bought the MICA launchers. We can buy VL MICA NG like Egypt is buying for their own Gowind corvettes. With VL MICA NG, the gowinds will have a 40km air defence missile range.
https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases...-to-air-system/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/0...das-vl-mica-ng/

ESSM not gonna happen on the Gowinds, unless you want to scrap all the MICA launchers already bought and add more money to modify the system for MICA into ESSM. But if it is done, I am happy for it.

Latest UAE Gowind spec has ditched the Thales Tacticos CMS for the Setis CMS, and still with ESSM. So that is a proof ESSM can now work with setis, no problem.

I have also told you before what was the technical situation stumbling block with ESSM block 1 in 2011, but if wanna change now in 2021, yes it can be done, just add $$$$.

Also the current situation, VL MICA NG range is pretty close to the ESSM block 2.

ESSM not gonna happen on the Gowinds, unless you want to scrap all the MICA launchers already bought and add more money to modify the system for MICA into ESSM. But if it is done, I am happy for it.

Latest UAE Gowind spec has ditched the Thales Tacticos CMS for the Setis CMS, and still with ESSM. So that is a proof ESSM can now work with setis, no problem.

I have also told you before what was the technical situation stumbling block with ESSM block 1 in 2011, but if wanna change now in 2021, yes it can be done, just add $$$$.

Also the current situation, VL MICA NG range is pretty close to the ESSM block 2.

The Gowind main task is to track submarines, which is why it got the CAPTAS2.

If we want a capable air defence frigate, lets replace the Lekiu and Kasturi with Type 31. More space for missiles and bigger radar. But before we move to that, we need to complete those Gowinds ASAP.

Tak juga
Mica missiles cost 300% more than a ESSM.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-162_ESSM
https://www.flightglobal.com/india-approves...n%20per%20round.
There's an opportunity cost of  +- RM 800 mil ( or +- rm130 mil per ship) available to retrofitted those gowind to be ESSM capable.

The R&D cost for the intergration of ESSM to gowind are already mostly paid for by the UAE. So It's basically now down to changing some equipment only.

1 of the cause of the 3 year delay of the LCS is the MICA vs ESSM issues. If the gov think the aaw missiles isn't important they wouldn't be the one who issue the stop order. As it is, they see it fit to postpone the ship completion to investigate further the possibility of ESSM. So saying they want to prioritize completion of the ship regardless of it fixture & fittings is probably not true.

Like it or not,even if we do get type 31. This ship is the most capable ship we would have for a very long time. unless we go get a FREMM which we likely won't because it's freaking expensive.

Why would the LMV be suitable for TLDM?

Which brings me back to the question, what kind of mission profile are you expecting from the 2LMS? A ship must be bought for a clear mission profile, not the other way round.

My opinion, BNS should concentrate on completing the Gowinds first, before being given any contract for any new ships.

But if you want to "share" the budget with the 6 existing LCS, then just build another 2 LCS, not trying to create new ships, 2LMS, Kedah or whatnot that "share" missiles and equipment with the LCS.

Why is being a defensive or not force relevant? Defensive or offensive, you expect that the opponent may be EU or US sponsored, right?

Pastu tanya balik TLDM for what? I don't give a fuck about them in the context of Indonesian procurement.

Simple question that can be answered simply, seribu dalih kenapa

Passex of BAKAMLA OPV80 with USCG Legend class cutter.




USCG Legend class cutter - 127m, 4500 tonnes

BAKAMLA OPV80 - 80m, 1650 tonnes

MMEA OPV1800 and Kedah Class OPV is almost similar in size to the BAKAMLA OPV80.
If you know how little money it takes the indonesians to build those OPV80, you will not believe that it is even real.

But unfortunately because of turf wars, TNI-AL is doing its best so that BAKAMLA will not get the budget to build more OPVs.

RMAF MSA specification = Indonesian MPA specification.

The radar is specified in the original MSA contract. What is not available is sensors to detect submarines, of which indonesian MPA also does not have.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...patrol-aircraft
Rather than TUDM getting a different MPA, probably it would be cheaper and simpler if TUDM just spend money to convert the rest of the CN-235, and also add sensors to detect submarines to all of the CN-235s.

Again, besides the point. Offensive or defensive, you will be in a war and you expect your opponent to try and do all they can including to call for embargo, correct?

The question is: what's the purpose of buying from 2 different sources?

Simple question.