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post Dec 3 2022, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 3 2022, 05:40 PM)
How much of a premium above local Malaysian FD would someone need to de-risk the daily forex fluctuations? SGD went from 3.4 to 3.24 in just a few weeks.
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Not sure what you mean by "de-risk" daily forex fluctuation. If you mean lock in forex rate by the time your foreign FD mature, then you can consider using derivatives like FX swap to hedge against FX fluctuations. But that's not available to the retail public (and the contracts usually are of large minimum denominations).

To avoid all these, you must be clear about your aim of FD deposits. Is it for retirement in Malaysia, or for foreign investment short-term parking? For the former, you can just stick to MYR FD in local banks in Malaysia. For the later, you can consider foreign FD.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 3 2022, 05:40 PM)
Isn't the whole point of FD is an exchange of low returns and illiquidity for virtually zero risk? Adding forex introduces a very real risk of capital loss, and keeping it locked in a foreign FD removes your ability to maneuver quickly when forex is swinging significantly - either to lock in gains or to stop loss.
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You are correct. In the end it depends on your usage. The best hedging policy is to park your funds according to your needs. That way, your financial goals are not subject to currency risks.

E.g., Malaysia retirement fund in MY -> park in MYR FD. For foreign investments -> park in foreign FD as needed.


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post Dec 4 2022, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 3 2022, 11:50 PM)
TOS et al.,

Just my hunch that this 3 mth 4.1% is better than the 6 mth 4%. To me, chance of alliance bank failure in "3 mths" is very low and not worth 1% pa additional premium to counter the risk. Also, the corresponding bank (Alliance bank's SGD account bank in Singapore) is a MAS regulated bank so the chance of the corresponding bank run down is also very low in "3 mths".

So I think the risk is lower than market expected and reward is higher than market think. Just my 2 cents.

And this is a case for those with SGD already in a SG bank waiting for FD (not for those looking for converting MYR to SGD for FD). So the cost to transfer out from SG bank and the cost to transfer out from MY bank need to be assessed.
CIMB FCY account has a half yearly fee (10 USD), inward TT cost from foreign bank RM 5 and the outward TT cost is RM 10, so not preferred as a SGD FD bank compared to Alliance bank, no inward TT cost and outward TT cost of RM 7.5 only. So this comparison show this is a 'viable' new path as alternative to get greater return over current conventional path.
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I am starting to like your posts. biggrin.gif

Yes, you are right. 1% kind of too high a premium. No CDS data to support also. tongue.gif

Do you have info on this: Also, the corresponding bank (Alliance bank's SGD account bank in Singapore) is a MAS regulated bank?

But for this Alliance bank SGD offshore FD to work, you need to factor in the inward remittance cost for those without access to DBS remit. That's something to consider (i.e., even though Alliance doesn't charge anything, other SG banks will charge outward remittance fee to allow you to move SGD out of their bank in the first place). You have any solutions for that?

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post Dec 4 2022, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 12:33 AM)
As for the corresponding bank, I can't find any info from the web. However, any corresponding bank that can host SGD saving account is a bank/institution regulated by MAS. As there is no so call offshore SGD right? (like offshore RMB which is not governed by PRC)
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That's not necessary the case. Any currency can be held outside of its "home country", and thus not subject to the monetary laws and regulations of the "home country". This is what I mean by "offshore".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocurrency

E.g. Eurodollar in London not subject to Fed's regulation (though still affected by Fed policy like interest rate etc.).

The same thing is applied to SGD FD held with institutions outside Singapore. In this case, your SGD money is deposited in Malaysia and thus subject to BNM regulations instead. https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/20124/6036...rency+Asset.pdf (look for the term "Foreign Currency Asset Onshore").





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post Dec 4 2022, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 06:30 PM)
Ok. I think of one possible way to check the corresponding bank for the specific currency. Just try to simulate a outward SGD TT using Alliance online to see which corresponding bank show up in their form. If it is a named SG bank then it should be an "on shore" account that Alliance is keeping your SGD. May or may not work. It is just my wild guess. Just like what I think when I try to transfer EUR, CHF, USD, JPY, SGD into IBKR, it shows respective countries named bank as the saving account bank so I thought it was always on-shore.
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Don't have Alliance bank account. Will try that when I return to MY.

QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 06:50 PM)
I found below definition from web:

“Investment in foreign currency asset onshore” means making of any payment in Malaysia for‐
(a) purchase of foreign currency denominated security or Islamic security offered in Malaysia by a resident as approved by the
Bank;
(b) purchase of foreign currency‐denominated financial instrument or Islamic financial instrument offered in Malaysia by a resident
as approved by the Bank; or
© placement into foreign currency account with a licensed onshore bank other than placement for investment abroad.

Now I understand. For country that do not have currency control, there may not be foreign currency asset onshore (Just like the IBKR case). For Malaysia which has currency control, the foreign currency asset that you put in local bank is actually submit to BNM at the end of the day. So the custodian is actually BNM, not any corresponding bank in foreign control. And those foreign currency asset kept in the BNM become Malaysia's foreign reserve. So in this case, if BNM withhold your foreign currency, you basically has a third party risk with BNM. No one know how high is this chance but I believe as a sovereign, BNM will not thread this likely as it will induce Foreign capital flight and some serious problems later on.
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Exactly! BNM has the final call on your euro-SGD.
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post Dec 7 2022, 11:42 AM

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From BT 061222, for (onshore) SGD depositors:

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post Dec 8 2022, 11:46 AM

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Standard Chartered Priority Singapore Wealth Saver Account advertisement:

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Source: BT 071222
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 15 2022, 03:32 PM)
Would you happen to know what the exchange rate spread is to change currencies to and from USD for the Alliance FCY FD account?

PS: I will share the Alliance Bank Malaysia TT screenshot for your reference in a bit...
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I found it to be about 2% from market rate. See my earlier reply.

If amount is big can negotiate with bank to ask for a more favourable FX rate.

QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 3 2022, 05:05 PM)
About 2% spread from market rate. https://www.allianceonline.com.my/personal/...e_kiosk_view.do
I think your SGD in Alliance bank is just for FD, so what matters would be inward remittance and outward remittance charges plus the FD rate/tenure. The "functionality" is already limited to FD. Fee-wise, 7.50 MYR for outward remittance to SG bank account. No mention of charges on inward remittance on Alliance side from what I found. https://www.alliancebank.com.my/general/fees-and-charges
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 15 2022, 04:51 PM)
does this mean that we lost 2% putting money in and another 2% taking money out, assuming the currency exchange rate stays the same? so nett nett of a 4% interest rate is ... 0% ?
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That is correct. To be more accurate, you should be looking at the economic opportunity cost.

Like it or not, other service providers will charge fees and/or quote rates with spreads anyway. So, for example, using the next best option for comparison, i.e. fintech, all-in spread is about 0.5% per leg or 1% overall (to and from USD), assuming that you can find other avenues to deposit USD.

Also, using brokers like IBKR to move money will incur far less fees (fixed 2 USD and you get market rate) but be mindful of withdrawal limits.
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 15 2022, 05:42 PM)
Is it possible to transfer from IBKR in SG to a USD FCA in Malaysia (or maybe even USD FCA in Singapore)?
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I have done USD transfers from IBKR to USD FCA in SG (directly to USD FD account) this month. 10 USD charged by JP Morgan (correspondent bank) for the wire process.

But not sure for Malaysia's case. You may want to contact Alliance bank to ask if they accept inward remittance directly to USD FCA/FD account. Be mindful of correspondent bank charges.
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post Dec 25 2022, 01:58 PM

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For those interested in onshore SGD FD:

https://financialhorse.com/best-fixed-depos...-december-2022/


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post Dec 27 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 6 2022, 01:49 PM)
Uhm... https://www.fullertonfund.com/investment-fu...ss_currency=USD

If you check the fact sheet for Class A:

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So DBS still the way to go. tongue.gif
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The SGD A class fund yields around 3.4% p.a. now, so it arouses my interests. (3.2% if bought via FSM, inclusive of 0.05%/quarter * 4 quarters platform fee).

Here's the relevant counterparty risk info needed:

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*Take note Landesbank Baden-Wuerttemberg bank's CDS data is quoted over its senior EUR bonds (not USD). Can't find USD data for this bank in Bloomberg.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 6 2022, 02:08 PM)
I am more concern that about to get acess to money anytime I need and still get interest.
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I studied the product highlight sheets. There is potential liquidity risk if a few sharks want to move their money out. Just to be mindful.

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The total number of its Units that can be realised on each Dealing Day is limited to 10% of the Sub-Fund's NAV.*


*(25% for SGD class A fund).

Source: https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/admin/...lightFUL041.pdf

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post Dec 30 2022, 10:01 PM

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Info on eurodollar transfers within Singapore via DBS Remit.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145559047


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post Jan 1 2023, 12:36 PM

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Onshore SGD FD rates:

CNY EXCLUSIVE TIME DEPOSIT RATES FOR 360 CUSTOMERS
Lock in your fortune for extra abundance. Enjoy promotional rates on SGD and USD Time Deposits when you sign up online. Cheque accepted too.

CurrencyTenure (months)Rates for 360 customersRates for non-360 customers
SGD84.08%3.88%
USD85.08%4.88%

Source: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145586832

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HSBC updates offers for until 31 January

Promotional SGD Time DepositNew and existing HSBC Customers
3-month3.85% p.a.
7-month4.00% p.a.
12-month3.20% p.a.

Source: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145577139

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CIMB FD promo for Dec 2022 remain same for Jan 2023

Source: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145584294

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UOB maintains its offer rates up to 31 January (or until further notice)

Deposit Amount (Fresh Funds)Promotional interest rate (p.a.) (For 6, 10, 12-month tenors)
S$10,000 – S$49,9993.55%
S$50,000 – S$999,9993.85%
S$1,000,000 and above3.95%

Source: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145586601

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post Jan 3 2023, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Jan 3 2023, 09:14 AM)
Anyone know FD interest from oversea need to declare for income tax?
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Foreign sourced income received outside of Malaysia is not subject to tax. So as long as you don't bring those money back into Malaysia you are fine. If you bring them back, it's tax-exempt through 31 Dec 2026.

The guidelines for FSI received in MY had been published a few days ago: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=106257411

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"Foreign income " means the type of income under section 4 of the ITA 1967 that arises from sources outside Malaysia.

"Received in Malaysia" means transferred or brought into Malaysia whether in the form of cash or through electronic funds transfer; or both.


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post Jan 16 2023, 10:04 AM

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Onshore HKD FD rates:

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post Jan 17 2023, 06:16 PM

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Just received onshore DBS SG FD promo. https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/deposits/pr...Mar10Jan23L3Gp5

3 month 3.6% p.a.

Place a minimum amount of S$20,000 or more. Maximum capped at S$1,000,000 per placement. No cap on number of placements.


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post Jan 17 2023, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 16 2023, 10:04 AM)
Onshore HKD FD rates:

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Mox offers FD service too starting from today. They quietly offer this service... (no big announcement).

Minimum placement is 1 HKD. No penalty for early withdrawal though all interests will be forefeited.

Rates are horrible nevertheless. 3 month 2.5% p.a., 6 month 3.4% p.a. and 12 month 3.9% p.a.

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post Jan 18 2023, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jan 18 2023, 11:31 AM)
Mind sharing a screenshot of dbs remit rates today for $50k? Thanks!
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1k SGD

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50k SGD

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Do not forget about incoming remittance charges for receiving banks (Malaysia side may have charges too). Time when screenshots are taken is around 12:18 pm.

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post Jan 25 2023, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(rahsk @ Jan 19 2023, 09:33 AM)
I have a rhb multi currency account. Would it be worthy to convert and get a foreign currency fd? maybe usd? what are the potential risks?
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If you mean RHB MCA in Malaysia, then you need to be aware of FX spread charged by RHB. There are 2 options I recall. One is without debit card, and the spread is somewhere around 5% and you don't need to pay any annual card fee. The second option comes with debit card, annual fee RM 20, but spread from interbank rate is lower at 0.5-0.6%.

As for potenial risks. The 2 biggest risks are FX risk and regulatory risk. FX risk is obvious as USD may depreciate against MYR during your deposit tenure, even though the rates paid are higher. (The forward currency market already shows this is the case). The second risk is less obvious because we aren't close to depleting FX reserve anytime soon. But your USD FD is considered part of BNM's foreign reserve and is at the mercy of BNM's foreign exchange rules. If Malaysia runs out of USD to pay importers, your USD FD is obviously the first in line to be "sacrificed". Singaporeans learnt that the hard way during the CLOB saga which happened in the midst of the Asian Financial Crisis. https://www.singaporememory.sg/contents/SMA...98-35b268e0ab4d

The only funny thing about foreign currency FD in Malaysia is that is it protected under PIDM, which is very unusual for Eurocurrency markets. In Singapore, USD, CHF etc deposits at Singapore banks are not insured as is the case in London and New York etc.

QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 25 2023, 07:13 PM)
https://www.cimb.com.sg/en/personal/banking...it-account.html

CIMB 4.15%@12mths. Higher than some local banks. Gonna put more in SG next month when some FDs mature.
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Surely have to be higher since it's riskier. tongue.gif

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