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Jordy
post Oct 9 2007, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2007, 08:37 PM)
Your net profit is calculated after minusing the initial 6.5% service charge I assumed?
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That is correct..
I got it way below it's IPO price..
Been waiting for it to break 0.27.. laugh.gif
But from its track record, it was a great performer before the crisis..
Lets see if I leave it there for a few more weeks..
Wonder how much return I would get..
Need to set a new target already.. smile.gif
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post Oct 9 2007, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2007, 08:40 PM)
Well, KLCI dropped a lot on Monday but rose back today. Not sure how'll be tomorrow's performance. It's barely predictable.
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I believe that's because holiday mood hasn't set in yet.. biggrin.gif
Come closer to Friday, there should be some consolidation..
I might consider pumping some idle money into equities again, to generate some returns from there to cover my past losses..
Generally the return is faster and larger..
Lets see how it goes tomorrow and Thursday..
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post Oct 9 2007, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2007, 08:45 PM)
Generally the return is faster and larger.. <--- on what stand? Your personal instinct?
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Not my instinct..
It's just the savings on the service charge and the management fees that make it look faster.. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 9 2007, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2007, 08:51 PM)
Meaning you want to perform a switching to save the service charge?
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Oh, I was talking about equity market..
Not equity fund.. smile.gif
I think you misunderstood me, or I made you confuse with my statement..
Sorry..
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post Oct 10 2007, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 9 2007, 09:04 PM)
I switched from PSBF to PFEPRF last Tuesday and asked my agent to pull the latest statement for me yesterday. Yet the transaction is not shown in the statement he sent. sweat.gif
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Did you check with telemutual on your balance units..?
This is serious if the amount is substantial.. wink.gif

QUOTE(mr_ashraf @ Oct 9 2007, 09:38 PM)
some people say buying UT at nav higher  like .9** is not profitable?? is it true??
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Not true, some are profitable..
As markets are breaking new record highs, so will the fund..
Funds with NAV in the 0.9xxx range don't show a lot of upside because they generally give out hefty distribution to sustain the NAV..
The service charge on these funds are higher, and the management fees are also higher..
That's why buy cheaper funds to cut down on these.. smile.gif
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post Oct 10 2007, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 10 2007, 09:56 AM)
The amount is not substantial in general.

Well, I still don't have telemutual. Have ask Penang PM branch to mail me the application form. Still waiting to arrive at my doorstep.
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Well, you still need to check over the counter to clarify it..
If nothing is lost then nevermind..
I have communicated with my agent..
Might switch the fund from PFEPRF into PFEDF today, still have some presigned forms..
If I'm lucky the regional market will not rise a lot today..
If not, I'll be buying at a price around 0.32xx..
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post Oct 10 2007, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Oct 10 2007, 03:09 PM)
I think won't be 0.32++, if rise, also should be 0.31++... smile.gif
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Yes, I was just making a guess before the nav for tuesday was published..
Notice that I posted at 10.12am, so I don't know how much it might be..
After looking at tuesday's nav, then I can safely say the price will still be below 0.3100.. smile.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 10 2007, 03:34 PM)
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True true..
Sorry for the mix up, I said without providing calculations.. smile.gif
Thanks for clearing it up cherroy..

QUOTE(lwb @ Oct 10 2007, 05:05 PM)
hope to see you in a mutual gold seminar next year then..  smile.gif
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So you'll be going..?
There might be a seminar next month on PCSF..
Are you going..?

PS. How come everytime you post, there's be multi-posting..?
Hope it's not for the sake of increasing your post count.. rolleyes.gif
I think you should just quote everything under one post, like what I'm doing here..
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post Oct 10 2007, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Oct 10 2007, 05:51 PM)
petty issue *lol*.. don't make youself sound like a small-timer..

well, the PCSF is not a mutual gold seminar, right? do you know who's the speaker(s)?
if it's those regular fund updates meant for agents.. then i'll give it a pass.
today, pmutual fund managers have grown sooo huge in numbers.. i can't tell who's doing what
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So what's your point of making that many posts..?
Well, I'm not against anyone here, just that there's this general forum rule in my head that says "No multiple posts".. So I don't think I'm wrong for making my statement..? whistling.gif

That seminar could be a PCSF review session for mutual gold investors by Mr. Lum himself..
If it's the regular fund updates meant for agents, why would my agent tell me about it in the first place..? wink.gif

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post Oct 11 2007, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 10 2007, 07:14 PM)
Yeah smile.gif

I'm thinking by early next year after getting my bonus should be able to be liao. Only matter of when is the next correction before I made another sai lang of that amount nia
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Wah, means your bonus is a huge amount..? brows.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 10 2007, 07:41 PM)
I called PM CS today to check for the switching of my PSBF. Surprisingly, she told me that there's no switching record done in last week. I was WTH! Not sure if my agent did submit my switching request. Have to give me a call and complain or scold him already. sweat.gif

By the way, I got my TeleMutual application form today. Finally ... it's such a simple one-page form.
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Congrats that you got your form today, but sad to hear that your switching wasn't done..
He's really unprofessional in his job..
I was just wondering why didn't you switch agent..
You should complain him in the first place..
I know I would.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(lwb @ Oct 10 2007, 11:30 PM)
if the seminar is for mutual gold investors.. i would've known it myself. mr.lum was the reason why i didn't attend this year's mutual gold seminar.. (i hope you're not referring to mr.lam.. who has retired from pmutual)
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Well, I did say it might, I didn't say it has already been confirmed..
And of course I was referring to Mr. Lum who's managing PCSF.. wink.gif
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post Oct 11 2007, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 11 2007, 11:03 AM)
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KLCI
All Time & Current High: 24/07/2007 1392.18
Correction Low : 17/08/2007 1191.55
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Well, I made my switch from PFEPRF into PFEDF..
Price still sustaining, good thing.. smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2007, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 11 2007, 03:08 PM)
That's why it's better for PM to come out with an online system which we could manage our funds ourself - swithching, repurchase, topup, unit balance checking and etc.
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Well, you can do things yourself if your agent is not around to serve you..
Well, if they make an online system for investors, then how agents going to earn..? tongue.gif
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post Oct 11 2007, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Oct 11 2007, 05:29 PM)
that's why... there's a debate going on.. if agents should be rewarded at the point of sales.. or the duration it retains a customer.
the latter creates a value proposition towards service..
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Agree..
At the moment, agents can only service FOCm unless the investor tops up..
This is one reason that makes agents slack in their servicing part..
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post Oct 12 2007, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 11 2007, 10:57 PM)
Slacking behind is one thing. Overloaded with unit holders are more worrying since they couldn't give fair treatment and perhaps slipping somebody in the middle.
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As I see it, these agents are more interested in servicing rich unitholders..
Those that invest less than 10k rarely being serviced by their agents..
I have tested on 2 agents..
One agent that I invest 10k with rarely calls me, and another agent keeps updating me with new funds and recommendations, or just calls me out for lunch or dinner on a weekly basis to review my funds..
That's a bad attitude in my opnion, but you can't blame them..
Money talks.. smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2007, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 12 2007, 07:53 AM)
Of course Money talks. Imagine if you have 100 clients under your account. How can you find time to serve them all. Sure you will bias to serve those richer clients

Since you will become an Agent soon... proof it that you can do otherwise lor smile.gif
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Hehe, try investing through me and you'll know the difference..
But my service would be limited at the moment, as I'm still studying..
My weekends will be fully booked with appointments, so I could miss out some out of choice.. smile.gif

QUOTE(lwb @ Oct 12 2007, 09:48 AM)
both of you guys have valid points regarding an agents' prioritization towards client servicing..

i can't say for certain the differences between a high net worth client over a lesser one..

i believe it's not easy to earn money from the high-net worth clients (but it may cost the agents more in terms of entertainment expenses/overheads)
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You need a longer time to convince high networth clients IMO because they're better at managing their money..
So you'll need to show them what they've missed out in their diversification..
Poorer people, just show them the inflation and the need for saving for future.. smile.gif

QUOTE(I_bryan @ Oct 12 2007, 03:51 PM)
Is there any LYM could tell me wat this is MSCI AC (All Country) Far East ex Japan Index and do your have link for this...cos i search at google but cannot find
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MSCI AC is the benchmark for Far East funds..
These includes HK, China, Taiwan and SEA countries..
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post Oct 12 2007, 11:31 PM

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Just calculated my profit = 8.6k, an increase of 1.7k.. smile.gif
But I repurchased my PBEPEF, so an opportunity cost of RM825.. tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2007, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Oct 12 2007, 11:16 PM)
This week alone i've done few switching for my clients...not kiasi, but wan to ride on the china tide. All go for PCSF..  nod.gif  nod.gif

PCSF made all other funds look so slow... some ady complained that PFEPRF are too slow, although it already break even  in about 2 months time  laugh.gif
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I sure hope your clients got into it still in time..
But they're doing switching, so it's fine..
Like I just switched from PFEPRF into PFEDF, already profitted RM500+ on 1st day..
PFEPRF is definitely slow because it invests mostly in property equity and REITS..
So, the return is slower now that the property market is quieter..
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Oct 14 2007, 08:19 AM)
Service charge is definitely too high currently in Msia. Anyway, service charge is the income of the agent and agent provide service and recommendations to investors.

DIY on switching, because telemutual is the fastest way to switch a fund, instead of the agent need to get your signature and submit the form everytime you switch.
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I have some presigned forms in my agent's hand..
So everytime I call she'll do the switching for me immediately..
If you got the unethical agents, then I would agree using telemutual..
I have no problem going through my agent anyways.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(I_bryan @ Oct 17 2007, 05:33 PM)
When perform a switching, the price will reflect tht particular day prices or the following day?....let say switching is done b4 bank close 4pm
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Hope you don't get confused with the pricing..
UT in Malaysia are based on Forward pricing, so whatever you buy today, you'll only know the price you bought into at the price published tomorrow..

QUOTE(chidori_nep @ Oct 19 2007, 12:06 AM)
Hihi~ Newbie (and SUPER NOOB) here  biggrin.gif I'm a 22 year old student who suddenly felt a strong 'urge' to start investing on something..and chose to start off with Public Mutual Unit Trusts.  tongue.gif Currently invested 1k in PCSF at around 0.278 price & 4k in PSEASF....thought of juz leaving em there for them to grow until I read all u guys' posts....SO PRO!!!  thumbup.gif Feel so inspired by all u guys' knowledge, esp dzi921, Jordy, David83, Darkmage12 , I_bryan, lwb, kingkong81, leekk8, etc.....Wow to think of all the time & energy spend on tracking & predicting the trend of the market  blink.gif ya guys must've spend lots of time on it everyday  notworthy.gif

Hope u guys will keep up the good work!!! So i can learn more stuff from ya guys!!!! and hopefully get sum tips along the way...haha~ whistling.gif

(lol this unit trust thing is too interesting...keep distracting me from studying for coming (& very near) exam.... rclxub.gif )
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I'm also a student, so no matter how much time I spend on investing, I will still have time to study..
Time management is important to succeed..
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QUOTE(chidori_nep @ Oct 19 2007, 12:32 PM)
Totally salute u!!!! Got so much discipline....I'm really bad in time management haha. Better start to change my bad habits.  icon_question.gif What cha studying now?  smile.gif I read that u also took up the course to become a UT consultant...so geng!!!  blink.gif  blink.gif  blink.gif How could u manage so many things at a time? notworthy.gif
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Yes, good observation..
I'm indeed going for my FMUTM examination on 27th this month, so after that I'mm be a complete UT agent..
I'm lucky because I don't have a lot to do at my college, and my timetable is flexible, plus I'm living at the hostel, so I don't have other choice than to spend my time with studies and researching..
Sometimes you need to force yourself to stop hanging out too much..
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QUOTE(chidori_nep @ Oct 19 2007, 05:06 PM)
Yes work work work till die with the meagre income that disappears slowly thru inflation....sad life  cry.gif

That book really that good ah? I saw got another newer book by the same author on financial management/planning or sumthing like tat...so expensive de >.< Maybe i should pop into sum public library & borrow tat book or sumthing  blink.gif
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It's better to invest in a book to start off your financial planning stage..
Knowledge is power, and if you own the book you can refer to it whenever you feel down..
This is one of the ways I used to boost up my self-esteem when I'm weak, to continue fight for financial freedom..
I suggest you get a book by T. Harv Eker, "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind"..
It's really a good book, sold at MPH stores, and it's easy to understand for beginners..
It tells us the 17 important financial blueprints of millionaires, and teaches us ways to change our old blueprints..
I still read the book, and I feel great reading it..
I finished all 250-over pages in 4 days during my free time..

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