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Jordy
post Jan 17 2008, 04:31 PM

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It is a wrong perception of buying a fund just because it "looks cheap".
There are more to it then just the NAV when choosing an investment, eg the future prospects, sustainability, developments and fundamentals.
These are the important aspects to look out for to avoid regretting later.
Some funds appear expensive but if the fundamentals are intact, then there is still large room for the fund to grow.
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post Jan 18 2008, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 18 2008, 11:09 AM)
My PFEPRF is already in lost. Parking in bond or in another equity will still need to charge me RM 25. I believe that PCSF will have greater potential later; just not now.

Another option for me is to switch to PSEASF.
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PCSF you can still keep, but if I were you, I would have switched PFEPRF long time ago, and I did it.
Sometimes, you have to cut lost if the fund does not have a real good fundamental to support it.
PFEPRF for example, will make a slower return. Keeping it and hoping to lower your lost later might not such a good move in my opinion. If you switch to other fund that performs better, you might gain more than what you have lost in PFEPRF. I suggest that you switch it to PSEASF indifinitely, and let it do the work for you smile.gif
Just my opinion and 2 cents that you may not agree with smile.gif
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post Jan 19 2008, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 18 2008, 02:56 PM)
I just made a full switch from PFEPRF to PSEASF. Hope I didn't do any wrong step in Telemutual.
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A wise choice. Maybe you have realised some losses, but look ahead.
The future might be brighter with PSEASF smile.gif
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post Jan 20 2008, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 19 2008, 11:36 PM)
I'll post my loss on PFEPRF on Monday since Friday's NAV will be posted on Monday.
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Yeap, please share, but do not worry too much about the loss smile.gif
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post Jan 21 2008, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 21 2008, 12:09 PM)
My loss on the paper for PFEPRF is -13.98% (RM181.68). cry.gif
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Oh, not much losses then smile.gif
PSEASF can get it back for you easily, don't worry.
My profit in PSEASF is around RM1k still.

QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jan 21 2008, 12:15 PM)
Need some recommendations as i plan to invest in some funds since prices has dropped significantly.

Aiming for the 'older' funds.
PDSF? PIDF? PRSEC? PFEDF?

Currently i've invested in
PCSF, PSEASF, PIADF & PFEPRF.
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The funds that you have invested in have good prospects, except for PFEPRF.
This fund is bound to be a laggard, so you could consider switching out of this fund.
If you are looking to buy a new fund, I would suggest PIX after 31st January, when the dividend will go ex.
Otherwise consider PIDF or PRSF smile.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Jan 21 2008, 11:18 PM)
hmm...is now a good time to start invest? going to meet up my agent tomorrow...
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You could try to enter some, but not too much.
Keep spare cash to enter again if market goes lower.
I personally would enter next month, as market could be lower then.
Don't be in a rush, study the market, and don't just listen to your agent blindly.
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post Jan 24 2008, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 23 2008, 10:38 AM)
China funds (PCSF, PCIF and PBCPEF) have dropped significantly. Anybody want to get into them now? Or still holding back? Topping up perhaps?

Does China funds still that attractive?
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Since I switched out of China funds about 2 months ago, I have never seen the fund performing as well.
The government there is intervening with the economy, stopping the rapid growth.
So, I doubt it would be so attractive anymore. I would rather put my money in our neighbours smile.gif

QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Jan 23 2008, 01:53 PM)
Apply for telemutual (phone). Its free and your agent only need you to sign a form. Topup can be done in any public bank branches. I guess if you never had telemutual it means your money is currently sinking with the current crash sad.gif. All agents i know don't really care about switching for their clients.
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Yes, I have experienced this before.
That is why we need to be wise to choose our agents.
No point listening to all the sweet talks.
The best way to search for good agents is by referral, but you have to make sure you can trust the person wink.gif
Nowadays a lot of agents realised this, so they are paying people to recommend clients.
Just a word of caution for current/new investors smile.gif
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post Jan 24 2008, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 24 2008, 08:19 AM)
If Fri will show Wed+Thur NAV, why would we not benefit from the rebound?
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Maybe he meant about the forward pricing.
You may see the NAV increases by a lot, but you have missed it.
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post Jan 24 2008, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Jan 24 2008, 01:58 PM)
As of Tues, Lost of RM15k+ liao
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How come so much? wink.gif
What is the breakdown?
At the moment I still have a profit of RM2k.
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post Jan 24 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 24 2008, 04:22 PM)
HSI lost 500 points in last 2 hours of trading!
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This is what we called volatility.
Maybe they are afraid that government is coming out with more regulations.
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post Jan 26 2008, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mr. Philip @ Jan 26 2008, 03:47 AM)
Hi all...I'm very new to UT and have just invested on PFEPRF since Oct 2007..It seems that it doesn't give much prospect till date..

I'm new and never know much about investment (still learning)..

My plan is to invest in UT(mid-long term), with the regular additional rm100/month or more for the next 4-5yrs..

I'm just wondering should I hold on to PFEPRF? or switch to another fund? Would PFEPRF have that potential to grow in the next few years?

Initially I thought of further invest another 1k to PFEPRF before CNY but I'm pretty skeptical at the moment..

hope to get some advise from the sifus here..thanks! tongue.gif
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Sigh, I think I have repeated this for the fourth time, but nevermind so here it is.
PFEPRF is a moderate fund, which invests in developer counters or REITS.
Because of its nature, the return is slower as REITS do not really move much.
Most of the income of the fund is through distribution, that is why the movement is slow.
The fund manager can opt to investment in property developments too, to receive some recurring rental income, or sell the property for realised profit.
The property market has not been on an uptrend much right now, and some even believe that it has reached the peak of the cycle.
So, if you invest in PFEPRF, it should take you awhile before you could see better result, at least a year into trading.
I have recommended that to switch into other funds which have better potentials.

I do realise how many people never utitlise their agents fully.
It is either your agent is not servicing you, or you are just not asking for advice.
Just a piece of advice from me.
Well, good luck in your investment smile.gif

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post Jan 27 2008, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. Philip @ Jan 27 2008, 02:50 PM)
thanks alot Jordy for your kind advise...and yeah..my agent is hopeless..

the moment i signed off the form and paid the cash...he/she(yeah..they're husband and wife) could not even bother giving me a call after that..even till now..(so much of a friend's recommendation..*sigh*)

so I have to do my own self learning..or is there such a thing as switching agent?hehe..

thanks again!
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Jan 27 2008, 03:44 PM)
There is an option to switch your account to be managed by another agent. But this needs 3 parties agreement, account holder (i.e. you), original agent, and the new agent you wanted to switch to.

Most of the time, the agents will not be willingly agree on that, but it depends on wat basis the request for change is to be made. But, you are the account holders and you have the rights, not the agent.
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It might be that the switching of agents has been scrapped off because of various obvious reasons.
Seems that the only way to switch your agent now is to sell off your units and buy them under new agent, or buy new funds under the new agent while keeping your old agent.
Most of the agents out there do not service their small clients, because they thought it is unnecessary.
That is why it is important that you choose your agent wisely smile.gif

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post Jan 27 2008, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 27 2008, 05:31 PM)
I wonder why the original agent's agreement is required? It's just like buying from the shops - if you don't like what a shop is selling you, you can go to another shop anytime.
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Hi, this is done because of some obvious reasons.
I think the management had enough of complaints, so they have scrapped the agent switching.
KingKong, I think you should get confirmation from your branch manager.
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post Jan 27 2008, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 27 2008, 11:14 PM)
What you meant by scrapped the agent switching? No longer possible to do since even after all the stakeholders are agreed on that?
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This was what I got from my Senior Branch Manager.
I think you can guess the underlying reason for this decision right? smile.gif
It is basically done to be fair to all the parties.
I think it hasn't been officially announced though, but now it is stricter if you are switching agent.
Consideration would only be given if the request is totally legitimate.
So the good news is, you might still be able to do it smile.gif
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post Jan 29 2008, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jan 28 2008, 11:37 AM)
If you're not statisfied with your current agent, it's still not advisable to sell the funds and buy again under another agent. You will lose the service charge.

If you don't want to be troublesome, you can buy funds under the new agent, and get the new agent to monitor your current fund for you. I think the agent should be willing to help you monitor your whole portfolio.
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Yes, the new agent can do that for the new investor.
But the problem is we can't check for updates on the funds if it's under other agent.
This is what I am experiencing now, as my agent needs me to photocopy every statement I receive wink.gif
That is why if the services of the new agent is good enough, it is worth paying the price for the transfer.
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QUOTE(Mr. Philip @ Jan 29 2008, 04:25 AM)
Jordy: just wondering..aren't you a UT consultant by profession?

I'm gonna try to have a little talk with my agent and see what they say..then I'll decide on whether to switch or not...getting a little frustrated though..
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Yes, I am a unit trust consultant, but I do have 2 agents myself smile.gif
As I mentioned long ago, I was an investor prior to joining the agency.
I did really joined because initially I thought of managing my own funds and also wanted to recommend unit trust to my peers because I saw the potential it has for them.
I know that if I become an agent, they will trust it better because they have seen me gain in my investments.

I am assuming that your agent is one of the ones whom does not educate their clients.
I have seen many who don't bother update thier small clients.
So if you are a victim of this, I suggest that you switch if it's not going to affect your investment much smile.gif
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post Jan 31 2008, 09:55 PM

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I think this is an opportunity for me to get some deals.
I have most of my money ready now, which I am planning to use half to acquire PIOF, PSEASF or PIX. The other half I will use when necessary.
What about you guys? smile.gif
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post Jan 31 2008, 10:00 PM

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Incredible, this is definitely a good time to consider putting my money into PIX. With the current price of 1.0115, 20sen distribution translates into 19.8% of realised profit thumbup.gif
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post Jan 31 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 31 2008, 10:00 PM)
PIX just declared distribution today. It'll be good if you go in now since NAV will be adjusted greatly since they declared a dividend of 20 cents per unit.
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Yes, I have been waiting for this moment since the start of the year tongue.gif
Let us watch the performance of Brother DJ tonight and we'll decide, shall we? brows.gif
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Jan 31 2008, 10:25 PM)
Tonite DJIA will be red all over...currently FTSE already down more than 2%

Tough ride....

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PIX 20cents dividend  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif

one of the highest i seen so far....one way PM to attract investor/new investor to invest more.
But for annual income terms, this is really good liao...if i'm old ady, and the fund still giving me such a good dividend  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Actually, this 20 sen is the highest I've seen for a local UT, way to go rclxms.gif
Well, since PM is having such a high confident on this fund, I don't see why I should not smile.gif
Well, if tomorrow KLSE is closed, I can still buy on Monday (provided KLCI is open then), hehe.
Must get my hands on PIX anyhow.

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