well you have to also put into consideration that on top of being susceptible to cc, druids themselves also can cc. on top of that bear invis, bear form, root, multi hots...

i'd say any 2v2 with a druid has a higher chance of breaking the 2k bracket compared to a priest.

pallies on the other hand are kind of over rated sometimes. the only good thing about them is their bof, divine shield... and the ability to crit heals better given that they have a chance to even get the heal out at all. their dispel is very situational, and more often than not they act as a waste of gcd... usually bof does a better job in handling snares.

i've never played a druid before, but ever since the last 2v2 champion consists of a warrior/druid combo... i've been doing extensive research on it and at the very least i must say they are indeed underrated.

Its really all very argumentative. Which alot boils down to the makeup that u are generalising.

I generally agree with what u have mentioned with the above but to downplay the skill and coordination required for 5v5 is just not right. Taking your pve example to a stretch, its only bcos boss encounters are fixed with expectations of the same abilities over a period of time. However in pvp nothing is fixed. There's no indicator what's ability is coming next and to expect 5 random abilities comparing to 2 or 3 is a self explanatory example. Though you have more teammates available to cover for u, the amount of offensive abilities increases and its not right to say its that easily covered.

And in fact u will need more alert n learned ppl to combat in 5v5 as you have to be even faster to react to the opposing force setup and builds.

As an additional useless information, BG9 is considered somewhat the most competitive bg right. Not too long back some team transfered to that particular BG just to see how tough it was. It comprised of a 4dps setup with a rogue in it ( no warrior ) and still manage to hit rank 1 in BG 9 in a very short period of time. I'll try n post the post.

the reason why BG9 is considered the most competitive server is due to the big 2 servers. Blackrock and Tichondrius. These 2 servers were the collection of most major pvp guilds back when WOW was in the release, with tich being the collection of US and Blackrock with the oceanic side.

They were hardcore pvpers, out to prove their status. What you have said may have hold true, that group is probably pretty darn good that they could easily have reached the top. However was the trip to the top as daunting as other BGs? That should bet he question to ask...

Of course there's a major debate on BG9 being the best, I've also read that some teams who were in BG9's top 50, transfered to other BGs and easily dominated the top spot.

since when bear can go invis :/
point being druids cc will take off a good portion of their healings. and worse if they are forced into bear form.

2v2 yes, but im talking about 5v5.
ur way out of topic in that regards.

pallies *MAY* be overrated, but the fact that there are WAY more paladins in ALL 3 brackets compared to the other 3 healer classes does mean something.
BOSacrifice also negates ccs on paladin. and they have a judge that normalizes move speed. consecrate to anti stealth/snake traps etc etc.
and lol clutch BOP's.
and if the paladin is good at kiting most melee classes, he will get heals off. caster class barely have any impact to healing pushbacks, the only vulnerable side of this is silence from mage/lock/shaman. but with concentration aura, its not that big of a deal, they will be back into healing action much faster than other healers, not to mention theres also instant holy shocks to buy them time. or HOJ's/BOP/Dshields

druid healers are underrated no doubt, but of recent many more resto druids are slowly, but surely climbing to the top to challenge the classic paladin healers in the lower brackets. the ability to cyclone in lower brackets have a much much greater impact than say 5v5. which is one of the biggest advantage a druid have over a paladin.

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Added on September 20, 2007, 1:29 pmnot to intentionaly downplay higher brackets in pvp or the good old 40men raids, its just a happening fact thats rarely spoken of. hell, this is what blizzard mentioned when they were questioned heavily back in the days when they decided to tone down 40men raids to 25.

if you havent noticed in *MOST* high end pvp videos, most 5v5 resolves around "see who zergs the opposing 1st team member the fastest" where by 2v2/3v3 fights are very VERY co-ordinated based. just neilyo's pvp vid alone (6 and 7), if you see his 3v3/5v5, you'll noticed that his play style is mainly just dps'ing down an assisted target ASAP. while his 2v2/3v3 (ESPECIALLY the match vs xecks + secretive, omfg, mega respect in that fight), are so MUCH more co-ordinated, even boils down to multiple 1v1 "duels" switching back and forth, and cc's are much more ultilized than his higher brackets like 3v3 or 5v5.

yes, you will need more alert and learned (you mean skilled? lol) people to play in 5v5, true. however, compare 40men raids and the current 25men. THAT is where my whole point is. and with that i scale it down to pvp to further exercise my point, which still holds true.

and the team you mentioned, is girlzz team, i forgot the team name, but they run an unorthodox spriest/rogue/elem shaman/paladin/warlock as 5th? or mage team. its being published on WOM (gameriot.com/blogs/world-of-ming)

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Added on September 20, 2007, 1:33 pmthat is half the reason, another half is a sudden surge of competitive teams (tourney/sponsored teams) rolling over. and it snowballed all the way to where it is today. not to mention if its a recognized bg, its easier to get team sponsorships as you'll be noticed easier.

what kurei said is true though, mainly imho is cuz they run a pretty wierd 4 dps setup, and being critisized by most.
but, i also made a point that bg9 is simply a collection of most of the best players in WoW. they being good doesnt mean every other (rogues for example) people are as good as them and ultimately mean that one said class (eg: rogues) is working damn fine.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 20 2007, 01:33 PM

ohh ur talking 5v5? i thought it was arena in general... my experience in 5v5 is very minimal so im just gona shut up on that.

well i had a splendid lunch earlier for only rm15, and its in an aircon restaurant too, so ill forgive you

but u promised spankies... tonight

just canceled my pally account... meh

omg no, tonight ill be doing WC with my retardin LOL!

oh the portugese butter chicken was OH SO tasty. we had lunch at an air-con restaurant at brickfields (the same street as the monorial station)

i was replying to his comment about 5v5.

Does mace rogue do good in PvP? Their stun rate quite high with their fast hit.

combat mace is basically the best spec in line with combat mutilate, up to preference and style and both specs have pros/cons