Ok I have a question currently I am making a shadow priest cause i am kinda bored playing my druid. I have not fully done the EYE or SSC. BUt Its just 1 and a Half years of druiding is getting boring . So i am making a shadow priest. I just wanted to know will a shadow priests dps beat a feral druids dps. Right now in cat i haev 2900 atk power and 31% crit. How much + to magical spell and shadow spells would i need to beat a druid.

The thing is beating a shadow priest one on one in pvp is really really really hard or near impossible. ANyway any suggestions? Ps i am really enjoying my level 27 shadow priest at the moment

yes.........

if you intend to raid, shadow priest > feral druid
your raid task as a druid is to tank, dps is secondary
shadow priest dps will always > feral druid
besides ve n vt > lotp in raid

shadow priest dps is also increased by which grp its put into, shadow piest + hunters = higher dps etc

gearing a shadow priest is easy anyway, tailoring set, badge items and rep items

Why compare shadow priest vs -feral- druid?

Does feral DPS?

:|

yep shadow priest always done more dps than feral druid

Shadowpriest is more viable than a feral druid as raid dpser. Reason being that if supplemented by a warlock's CoS, the shadowpriest will do a buttload of damage. More shadowpriest dmg = more life and mana gained by party members.

feral dps lol...

ur gonna be pitted against rogues, and unless ur competing against a crippled or retarded rogue, or a very undergeared rogue compared to urself, you have 0 chance to outdps the rogue.

and being a melee dps'er, your viability will be put to the chopping board, if you know what i mean. true, occassionaly feral bears tank, but thats just as viable as feral dps can go.

Depends on gear

Dude.. please.. seriously do not insult druids dps.I outbeat most rogues and these guys are A) damn good players. B) not crippled retards c: know how to freaking play.

Secondly Yes i have been called to tank or off tank. BUT if not i am always called to dps. I agree very very very well geared rogues can beat me. BUt do not say blue ones can. Secondly i can beat a shadow priest in dps unless they have 1300 to spell damage or higher. Thats why i am asking. Most of my guildy's know my dps is high that why i usually dps in cat rather then tank in bear.

So most of you who are ignored dont give me that 'Feral dps lol' crap. My ex guild which was Blue Label on Barthilas horde side we using mostly druids in cats and shadow priests . I just wanted to know. Thanks for the insults though LOL.

Anyway if you want to check my gear go to the armory and check out ASTROBULL thats my name.

Got any wowwebstats to prove it?

Note : I'm just being kepo.

Ok fine , when i do raid next I will post it up here. Yes the rogues in BLUELABEL were very well geared. BUt in a normal guild it is possible to bear a normal rogue one on one and we both were with normal gear. It depends on luck on crits mostly and which group the rogue was in and what buffs he had on. Usually i have salvation on becuase i do pull a lot of agro. Secondly i never said rogues are not good..yes rogues can beat a feral druid when they are geared properly..but there is not reason a good geared druid cannot bear a good geared rogue..its all play styles.

Actually, I'm more curious to see how much DPS a feral can dish out, not to compare against a rogue. I have a feral druid to gear up so wanted to see how the numbers are like.

The numbers I've seen in my guild between a blue rogue and an epic out feral druid is not a good comparison becoz the druid was most of the time OT-ing. But the blue rogue did a lot of damage compared to some of the other range/caster DPS.

Probably another thing to note is that the posters do make references to both PvE and PvP. I forgot to mention that I'm looking at raid DPS.

And I'm just plain kepo. Gotta give me points for being honest here. >.>

If you simply want to compare dps, nothing else, but just pure dps between a shadow priest VS a feral druid (as what you mention just dps), Shadow priest should be higher.

What suggestion you want anyway? you question like half hanging like that.
In my guild most of the time, locks/rogues always top the dps charts.

us shadow priests are like teh starship enterprise.
SHIELDS UP! LAZER PEWPEW!!













nuff said.

Well basically druids do fairly alot of dps . i would need to show you all out dps then. Well basically now i have joined a friends guild so i dont raid much cause i have all the gear i need. SO when i do raid i will show you the meters and take a snap shot for you.. how much atk power do you have in CAT myremi?

if you beat those rogues then they are no doubt the opposite of what you said.

and reading comprehension failing? whos talking about undergeared rogues beating you? if ur gonna compared to the handicapped, grats on winning the special olympics, no matter whos the winner, ur all retards.

and if ur guild is using mostly druids in cats and shadow priests over rogue and warlock, which are a more "purer" form over the class you mentioned, again, grats on the special olympics.

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Added on September 4, 2007, 4:35 pmI KNOW WHAT YOU DID THARRRRRRR

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 4 2007, 04:35 PM

Yeah, I saw that and therefore replied to his reply back to my statement. And probably more explaination. Although it doesn't answer the OP's original question on 1-vs-1 PvP, it's more to do with PvE raiding so it does degress a lot from his original question.

I have a feral druid which I'm currently gearing up. I'm actually curious to see the DPS done by another feral druid, in this case ashwin88 who is currently in good gear. I'm also assuming that he's also in Malaysia where we have latency issues that affect DPS values. The figures I see in my guild is that the feral druid kitty is DPS is around 470-508 if it's not a fight that is movement intensive like Gruul. That's for an Australian player. Wanted to see how it's like for a Malaysian raider. The gear is assumed to be Kara, Gruul and Mag.

As for topping the DPS charts, I'd say it depends on what we're looking at. Whether it's Damage Done or just DPS. There are times when DPS values are very high but the damage done is less. Also, just to see how much effect does the Streamyx Latency has in DPS figures for certain classes. Gear is probably another thing because of the trinket buffs which are not captured in Character Sheet until used or when it gears proc. My current main is a Shadow Priest and I'm having a really hard time pushing pass the 600 DPS barrier with about 980 damage unbuff in fights that are not movement intensive. That's with Stopcasting Macros + Quartz + Trinket Macros.

Topping DPS charts. Well, it's a lot to do with the fight and the gear so I usually don't argue on who is on top or not. And again, it depends on whether it's Damage Done or just DPS values only. Also, other factors influencing the figures are the fight and the class and the gear and gameplay. Example : Our Guild Frost Mage does 900 - 1K DPS in crafted + Kara + Gruul gear and he used to play with a latency of 800 ms before changing providers. Although this is for encounters up to Gruul and not in SSC/TK/Mag. The only other guildies who come close are the hunters and even they have a hard time to get to the DPS and damage output he does.

Anyway, back to ashwin88. What would I do with the values if he's posted it up? Well, the next step I'd ask on gameplay and improving on feral druid DPS since I do have a feral druid alt. Not to pick a fight on whether locks or rogues will top the DPS meter. Just to see what can be improve from my side. Yes, I can get advice from the official WoW Forums but what they can't give me is the DPS that they get from playing via a lousy ISP provider named Streamyx.

Does that answer your question?

since your wanting only raid pve dps, here they are:
numbers alone, if you made thorough comparisons, you will see why rogue has ALL the advantages over a druid.

-aggro threshold
rogue have a passive -20% (or was it 30%? confused) aggro to everything he do, coupled with feints (shitty skill, but just to point out comparisons and advantages over a druid) and vanishes altogether, a rogue can go over the aggro limit while a druid, even if he can out dps the rogue, will be severely capped by the aggro limit.

-itemization
look in game on rogue and druid items. most agi based melee dps items have hit rating attached to them, which obviously, helps rogues more than they help druids. rogues require between 250-300 hit rating, druid requires maybe... 100ish? just to get the 5% cap and the lvl73 miss penalty cap. needless to say, you will be having wasted stats. then compare the rogue set and the feral druid set, yet again, more advantages to the rogue. notice once ur on t5 and beyond, rogues get default passive armor piercing... druids... not so great.

-buff ultilizations
LOTP, if a druid have it, rogues can too, so favor to rogue, nada to druid. windfury, weapons > paws. blessings, druids need salvation to keep their aggro contained, rogues just get BOK or BOM to further out dps druid and all they need to do is one vanish (provided tank dont suck, and it isnt an aggro sensitive fight such as onyxia for example, wing buffets that bumps tank's aggro down) and its MAX dps all the way. and if ur gonna compare the pure raid dps rogue spec - combat daggers, the faster they swing, the more energy returns from offhand and that too, = more dps and more advantages to rogue over druid. not to mention rogue is the best class to stack haste ratings with since they can ultilize mongoose, (again, paws cant play with mongoose) and not to mention, DUAL mongoose which is 240 AGI and DOUBLE haste bonus AND combine with SND AND other haste effects. come on, its getting no brainer already.

of course, rogue is a class built solely to dps. they cant buff, they cant heal, and they take dmg too and rely on heals. druids can self heal, can tank, can PROVIDE other stuffs to the raid other than dps. rogue's value and role in the raid is only one - dps behind a mob.

I can't recall offhand and I think I log out in tanking gear. It's not a lot and the last I check while farming, I think I hit only 290 DPS but she's not geared in Kara gear or even Heroic epics. I've only just recently respec her from being Resto for a long time (and even then, she wasn't Kara raiding). One of the reasons I retired that Resto Druid was because I had problems keeping tanks up in Heroics pre 2.1 i.e. before the nerf. That was out of tree form. The Shadow Priest was more fun to play.

Postnote : hmm....come to think about it now, 290 DPS is probably not a good number as well since it's not a raid boss and it was attacking from the front.

This post has been edited by myremi: Sep 4 2007, 05:15 PM

correct me if im wrong but his question merely asks which class amongst feral druid and shadow priests dps more. not 1v1 pvp and who dps more. that the later question, which is how to beat a shadow priest 1v1 in pvp.

as for latency, unless ur fight is movement intensive, no latency will NOT affect much of your pve dps abilities so long ur around or under 500ish ms. it will affect, but not by a significant ammount, and to good dps'ers, it is almost as if theres not latency.

bear in mind, this is coming from a rogue's perspective:
why is it so? because the majority of rogue PVE raiding dps comes from WHITE ATTACKS. latency CANNOT affect white client side melee swings. all the rogue gotta do is build CP (via ss/mutilate/backstab) and maintain a SND cycle and you win. excess energy/CPs are spent on either rupture/envenom/eviscerate finishers.

also, sub 500 dps EVEN FOR A DRUID IN CAT is piss poor. a PROT tank can reach around 300-400+ which puts him just a bit more than a PROT TANK. avg good dps'ers at kara/gruul's level of gear sport around 600-900 dps AT LEAST. i myself maintain 900-1100 over a 5min sustained dps. (meaning its accurate, 900-1100 over the entire 5mins) and my pve gears still sport a lot of blues, and i never had the luxury to have enh shamans/feral druid or sometimes even warrior's bshout in my group.

and no, dps values are synoymous to damage done. unless ur counting dps under a 5-10 seconds value, and that is burst dmg, not actual dps. dps over a 5min sustained timer is the most accurate level to measure one's dmg value (dps). so if his value his high, his dmg done will no doubt automatically be high. unless of course, aoe fights are concerned.

I have a look at our WWS
one of our shy shadow priest (Tulang )manage to dish out 693 dps

http://www.we-are-syck.com/wws-20070901-2316/
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/characte...rthorn&n=Tulang

your rogue (rogin) needs to step the f*** up and get his miss rates down.

and wheres his poisons dmg value? mutilate rogues dealing no dmg from poisons? wtf?

dpsers below a 4 digit average dps is crap... i see a whole lot of problems with the dps there

Shadowpriest/Affliction lock is always up the charts in my guild.
For some reason, a supposedly primary healing class like priest end up highest dps. Blizzard is purely stupid.

Feral dps will never beat a pure dps class, ever.
But they are really nice to have in a group. +5% crit and shift out for innervating healers.

cant agree any better

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Added on September 4, 2007, 11:32 pmhealers need some love too! ok!

so they get to poke around #1 on dps meters

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 4 2007, 11:32 PM

lol this topic isnt even arguable.

Qua : Yeah, I know it's digressing. That's why I started my post to plaz's reply as such. As for 500 DPS, it could be that the feral druid was also in tanking gear in case of any situations that happen. What to do? Shit happens lor so the feral druid is doing helping with emergencies. But I only started digressing when I see others also digressing. And since ashwin88 didn't say "stop that Myremi", I just went on.

plaz : Thanks for the post and details. Looking at the fight stats, I don't feel so bad about my Shadow Priest atm as it looks like Tulang has the same gear issues that I'm having.

Goblinsk8er : No offence but when people say that a Shadow Priest/Affliction Lock tops DPS charts, I'm starting to wonder whether :

-they are that good at Gameplay
-their Gear is superior compared to others
-there are other DPSers in the raid who aren't maximising their class
-all DPSers are doing roughly about the same amount of damage (Total Damage Done) but the DPS values differs between classes (usually between DoT and Direct Damage)

Everytime someones tells me that shadow priest tops the DPS meter, I'm just wondering whether it's really a true reflection of a class capabilities when I see conflicting results across WWS results of the same raid boss. Spell rotations are the same. Majority of the gear that a shadow priest wears are the same. And without some numbers for entire raid, it's hard to claim that they will also top the DPS meter. I've not gone on PUG raids so can't tell. But heroic runs, in PUGs I top the Damage Meters but in guild runs, I'm above the tank.

Only major difference is the rings and trinkets. Atm, my head hurts a fair bit because trying to push my Shadow Priest past the 1K spell damage limit (unbuff) and even then, if it's not the right rings or trinkets, I'm wondering if I will ever hit the elusive 800 DPS w/o buffs / 1000 DPS with buffs. Enchants remains the same when upgrading and other gears upgrade is dependant on raid progression. Unless the numbers are not correct and that it would mean more grinding to get the right rings and trinklets.

I used Dr.Boom tests to determine some raw DPS figures to find out my limitation and maximise different spell rotations. Raid numbers will be lower than Dr. Boom tests results. Still though, the Dr. Boom tests was a full DPS session so getting an idea of what I can currently do helps a bit. At least elevates my worry.

sets84 : That's why I'm asking a lot of questions.

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it's known as a thread hijack!

Come on, what ppl want in feral druid is tanking, not DPS.

what ppl want in shadow priest is DPS.

You comparing between the feral druid and shadow priest about dps?

If you want to dps as a druid, go cat.

If you can beat a rogue in 1v1 as a feral druid, its not because you out dps the rogue, its likely your armor+HP outdone the rogue dps.

So, a feral druid gonna top his dps\dmg over shadow priest in raid\grp? That shadow priest must be a regular AFKers.

it saddens me whenever another fellow starship enterprise is just above the tank in dps T_T

myremi, wats ur spell rotation?

topping dps charts must and always be warlocks, shadow priests, rogues and mages...

usually the first 2 being warlocks or shadow priests followed by rogues then mages... sometimes they differ based on the nature of the fight. but VR is easy pew pew then loot, your dps casters should be at the top. i haven't been raiding much lately, more like 0 raiding atm... but from what i've played and what i've seen, i don't see any mistakes in what i said

and no, don't ever be satisfied with the dps just cos u KILLED the boss...
that's just 1 boss, the other bosses will differ... and also the higher ur dps the less taxing it is on your healers. they take the most pressure during boss fights

myremi : the last time i used my warlock, i tried to prove to others that gear isn't everything. I had the usual tailoring stuff and a neck from prince. That is all... top dpser in gruul fight, and i wasn't even the agony warlock... for dpsers its all about rotation rotation rotation. I've seen my friend's new shadow priest with the 3 piece shadow tailor gear, holding a GREEN weapon... put to shame many other dpsers cos he knows his rotation. and i can't stress this enough... if your dpsers can't hit, you lose

and yeah..
DS is only good in complimenting the destruction tree.

lol i hope the topic does not stray into which class does most dps.

ops sorry for classifying then... i guess as long as the dpsers do above 4 digit dps is okay. my former guild hunter could also top dps charts... but that's just cos he's skilled. one of the rare hunters i've ever seen

was he bm?

yeap he is

hm didnt bm have a bug then where a pet did like some crazy dot dmg.

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Added on September 5, 2007, 11:54 amhow u like the haste rating nerf. lol.

This post has been edited by Kurei: Sep 5 2007, 11:54 AM

yeah they told me once he was doing a big chunk of crazy dps atm...
but even after he's still getting high on the charts, cos the last few times i raided... he was among the top 3 most of the time

haste rating nerf? meh doesn't affect me at all... or were you talking to some1 else?

hm i tot u might have some comments since melee haste rating is getting some nerf.

Let me guess.
That BM hunter is using a scorpid pet?
Freaking scorpid are dealing like 450dps alone. (900 per tick poison dmg)
Its actually sort of an exploit.
Just pop TBW and all AP trinkets then you activate scorpid poison rank 4. (rank 5 doesnt work coz it wear off fast and and have longer CD)
As long as you maintain the stack of scorpid poison thru out the fight, the scorpid poison damage will remain the same even without TBW switch on.
Blizzard already nerfed it badly. I mean very badly.
I tested it on PTR realms. It only deal 220dmg per tick at 2600AP now.(Pop trinkets n Orc talent)



BTW, no offense. BM spec=no skill.
Their shot rotation is based on macro.
/castsequence reset=3 Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/castrandom [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command

Its just Autoshot>Steadyshot>AS>SS>AS>SS>AS>SS>AS>SS until the boss drops dead.
They seldom weave in arcane shots/multishot in it coz they are shooting too fast.
Weaving in arcane shots may even lower their dps due to clipping of shots and cooldown etc.


Honestly as a hunter myself, i think the Serpent switfness talent deserves a nerf.
+20% atk speed is too much. Maybe +15% is still reasonable.

I still prefer Surv spec though. Awesome AP/Crit and +AP buff to entire raid.
Oops. going wayyyy off topic.

i had prawn mee for lunch. wat about u guys?

no he doesn't use macro
as a matter of fact me n my group of friends, our macro usage is nill. i don't believe in macros and click casting... and no he isn't using a scorpid either. so there u have it ^^.

i had wanton mee with curry chicken...

prawn mee vs wanton mee and curry chicken. which is better for lunch? DISCUSS!

my food > ur food
kthxbai

i had nasi kukus, you all f***en lose

nasi kukus is healing spec... sorry

extra kari kuah with ayam goreng herba! heal spec my ass, max dps!

which still isn't our category... mine is tanking...
so we have tanking spec and dps spec...
we now need healers

anybody had burbur chacha or tong sui?

This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 5 2007, 04:49 PM

this topic brings all the boys to the yard!
And their like..
It's harder than yours,
Damn right, it's harder than yours,
I can touch you,
But I have to charge!

where got time for deserts when you got:

lunch time 1 hour breakdown
- 10mins walk to place
- 10mins wait for food
- 30mins of talking shit while eating
- 10mins walk back office

Talk less shit.

i have 2 hour lunch breaks...
3 hours if im sleepy...

IF this thread is about Shadow Priest vs Feral druids in term of dps? and not Feral druid vs Rogue ? i would say they are about the same. They would do roughly 1000 - 1200 sustained dps if they wear gear in dps and dps the whole encounter. The difference is, one is range and one is melee and also different utility they bring to the raid. Shadow priest as a mana and hp battery while ferals for their rebirth , innervate and LoTP. I basically favor feral over some encounter. I can't imagine trying new bosses with only 1 rebirth from your restore druid maybe. Having 2 feral will make the encounter more forgiving. And when you want to compare DPS, try compare a fair encounter like HWL Nanjentus , Teron , Gurtogg where everyone gear should be tip top if not perfect.

not possible

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Added on September 6, 2007, 11:30 amwont get fried squids for that?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 6 2007, 11:30 AM

That's y i use 2 feral druids. Teron would be a good fight to measure dps. But i still strongly support rogues to be top towards to end of raiding.

all i do is research and development
as long as i meet the deadline is fine...
besides this job suck
no supervision etc
im gona start my job hopping process

rogues ? really ?

Yes. Rogues will always top the dps meter with the average of 1600-1800dps if the encounter weren't too melee unfriendly. Bring 3 to ensure you meet the enrage timer. Lol

Poor rogues. They dont give any buffs. They cant heal (bandages don't count!). Their most valuable CC can only be used when out of combat. They dont have rebirth or innervate. Can't cast any form of shield. And at the first sign of trouble, they vanish!

They should be up there in the dps chart or else no raid spots for them.

i may start job hunting too soon... need higher pay for a better pc lolz!!!

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Added on September 6, 2007, 3:25 pmthat is why blizz give them all the advantage in the world when it comes to dps. (aside melee unfriendly fights)
since they cant do anything else besides dps'ing

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 6 2007, 03:25 PM

Rogues are not as poor as Hunters

in high end arena sense, they are equally the shittiest class.

in pve sense, even with rogues able to top dps meters while hunters for the most part couldnt, at least they can avoid repair bills almost all the time, and they are pretty much the only class able to afkshot since aggro is non-factor to them and their main dmg comes from autoshot.

during our raids, feral dps is always at the bottom of dps charts even in full dps gear

mainly rogues, locks, mages, hunters, shadow priest in that order

This post has been edited by lowzi: Sep 7 2007, 03:45 PM

During your raid, feral dps is always at bottom even in full dps gear and they can dps 100% of the time. Hmm, where were your raiding exactly and what encounter are you talking about? And your shadow priest, losing to mages and hunter ... Mainly ... something doesn't seems right.

LoL that is so wrong man.. rogues are good for arena depending on which kinda class combo youre using and which arena group your in , right now most of the top 3v3 teams consists a rogue . So rogues arent really a shitty class for arena imo, if you know how to play the class, any class will be useful..

ignore my previous comment
just asked around during raids, actually feral dps can beat sp on certain fights and it also depends on grpings

maybe sp need to hold back on aggro? i know a lot of them cant go all out 100% of the fight
and our mages (enocic - resilience - amanthul) and hunters (athos) are pretty good geared tho

actually im just a healer lol dont know much about dps just posting on the occasional dps meters and what i see in raid

This post has been edited by lowzi: Sep 10 2007, 04:48 PM

1) 5v5 or 3v3 yields more epeen and/or points?
2) check your info again, 3v3 teams are still majoritily dominated by the unholy 4 warrior/paladin/warlock/priest
3) the above applies to 2v2 and 5v5 as well
4) when world class players like nitrana/xecks/neilyo/hwarang have issues with their class and from time to time express their concerns about the rogue class, i doubt its just a matter of "know how to play the class, and it'll be f***ing useful", because quite frankly, those guys KNOW how to play their damn class.
5) look around the tournaments being held, rogues and hunters are always on the all time low as opposed to the unholy 4 -> warrior/paladin/warlock/priest, this should mean something, if it doesnt to you, go shoot yourself in the head.
6) EPIC FAIL, TRY AGAIN BIATCH.

but rogues still better than hunters mar...
only hunter i've seen on competitive 5v5 is the use of survival serpent sting lol trap hunters...
3v3 errr hardly...
2v2 more unlikely...

there's this duo though, 2v2 rogue sp that kicks ass from blackrock server if im not mistaken. some really good skillz pwnage there...

but for 2v2 its usually the cookie cutter, warlock-sp, warlock-pally, warrior-pally,warrior-druid, warlock-druid...

well, that is true. give or take.

rogues while having melee issues, at least its just melee. hunters, LOS, deadzone, GETTING KITED LOL!, is just sad. then when they go oom, gg pee shots.

do take note though, i did mention both hunters/rogues, not just rogues

and no, only hunters that are competitive are MM hunters, no surv, no BM, all MM.

ret paladin dps.. :/









lol jk

1.if your 3v3 is 2k rating and your 5v5 is 1.7k rating,which one will matter?
2)i just checked my battlegroup(bg9) 3v3 ladder,theres 7 rogues on top ten arena teams.
I am lazy to check 5v5 though,but most of the 4dps team use rogue.And 4dps is another scrub friendly group..put dots nuke down warrior while ur lock priest spelllock/fear/silence thier healer and you win..you can use this setup and get to 1.9k+ easily.
3)oh didnt check 2v2 too,but if you have a good warlock teammtae,you can eat scrub friendly war/pal group for breakfast(unless they have bt shadow resistance gear). i will say 2v2 3v3 is based on rock paper scissors.(well maybe 5v5 too)
4)well,otherthan inactive,most of them still playing rogue.
5)how about druid?they are better healer than pally in 2v2 3v3 but they are low as well so what does that mean?

I am not saying rogue is overpowered ,some people might think rogue look like a gimped version of warrior(which is quite true),but they are still good against certain classes like warlock,shadowpriest in arena.
Ok my points is rogue do need help,but rogue is still doing fine in arena especially 3v3 and in tbc rogue takes some skills to play since you cant kill people with just a stunlock now.

surv hunters have good cc
team pandemic thought outside of the box and used it in such a manner... which i honestly am impressed.
marksmanship hunters can only hope and dream to take down any other char... they cant even kill a holy priest

This thread HAS Basically no use honestly. I can beat Shadow priest dps in fights if i only go cat form for the whole raid and obviously on boss fights that i can Bleed. I have beaten a shadow priest with 1270 shadow damage and he is not a NOOB like 'one person' thinks. Just because the class is not 'ment' to beat you it does not mean it can't. Honestly why would i want to lie , hell thats why i just asked the question if Feral dps is better then Shadow priests. I do agree Shadow priests are awesome. I am making one now and i am level 37. (love it ). My ex guild used to use feral druids in cat when there were'nt many rogues around SP's when the warlock was not around and we destroyed bosses. That does not mean my guild is in the so call 'SPecial olympics' just because we do so. In cat with full buffs and shamies i can do 1400 sustained dps. Without a shammies it turns out i do around 800-1000 sustained dps on bosses. THese are bosses that can be blead. Yes i know a rogue will beat me on a single target and so will a warlock.. but so what.. that is not the point..I just want to let you all know that dont think because i am not a main dps class like a rogue that i cant beat them on certain occasions. I have done it before and it has been proven. I even did it before mangle at level 60. I beat the top 2 rogues in my guild and i have only 1100 atk power at level 60. So currently i know the answer.. never ask low yatt people for help and I think i understand that now.. Basically I have asked the forums in WOW and lots of druids have showed my their dps meter and they are at the top for boss fights.. Well i have nothing more to say. I know that 'someone who thinks he knows everything' will try and talk his way out but let him I dont give a rats arse for what he thinks. For me this thread is closed.

no... the one who thinks they know everything is you.

at least nobody here goes around mocking other ppl that they can peeveepee pwn them on recruitment threads.

have u ever take a look at the paladin forums? they too can dish out 1k sustained dps on bosses as retardins.

i'll quote your topic again, "Shadow priest vs Feral druids dps, Which is better"

shadow priest will and always be one of the top dpsers wether u like it or not. we didn't say feral can't dps... postboy already stated that they can dish out 1k dps as well, but he takes them for more utility (bres). which is more practical? shadow priest...

and seriously by claiming that you can beat your "PRO" friend's sp dps, what are u trying to claim? that you're godlike? well if it makes u happy... yeah keep telling urself that.

u asked for suggestions, we gave u answers... and to quote jack nicholson (he's a living legend btw) "YOU WANT THE TRUTH?? WELL YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

p.s : shitty jobs gets me on the offensive. sorry.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 12:00 pmGod damnit.... entertain me. TYPE SOMETHING!!! when i get back from lunch i better see something or i'm gona get real mad!!!


p.s 2 : shitty job syndrome

This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 11 2007, 12:00 PM

www.jobstreet.com ---> Temporary relieft for shitty job syndrome.

i already got a new job... waiting for end of this month

then no more 3hr lunch breaks?

So what would your problem be? I am just stating that not to brag. I Started saying that because you guys kept saying that you will never beat a shadow priest in dps. Druids can.. So WHO CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH NOW????! I Just asked which is better not to brag but i cant stand it when my class gets put down. then I go on the offensive. If you did not realise that then why i attacked back then why are you posting here in the first place? From a simple question it became and arguement.. do you see where I am going here. I just stated i can beat Sp's in dps.. so what.. is that a wrong thing to say? I am bragging?

and we say there's something wrong with your sp's dps?

is that a know it all answer?

sheeshh... read your posts before you post, you were obviously the 1 having issues... im just nit picking ur ignorance for my entertainment

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Added on September 11, 2007, 3:36 pmmyremi : i'm looking forward to my next job actually, im kind of a career type of person. so i don't mind as long as the environment is motivating... if not i guess ill be hopping again =p

This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 11 2007, 03:36 PM

Anyway thanks for the help.. you guys were the best. You guys helped me so much Especially sets he was soooo helpfull wow.. I think i wills stick to the real deal the wow forums. Atleast they know what they are talking about. So if you want to flame me go ahead.. since i am ignorant even without you guys reading what i said..cool keep it up.

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link the post here.... i'll then post on my main and start a flame train.

i'm 200% confident u get worst shit than here... you want proper opinions goto elitistjerks.com not wow forums....

and again
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Typical Wow forums goes like this:

TS: HAI GUYS!! I have problems with my drood dps.
Poster 1: FIRST!!
Poster 2: Nerf druids, seriously. They can tank and heal, now you want DPS?
Poster3 (pally): Ya, they have imba armor n hp and still can dps. My pally couldn't do both even we have 2 separate different spec for DPS n tank.
Poster4: Damn, this might be 9000+ post regarding druid dps in this forum.
Poster5: OH SHI-, ITS OVER NINE THOUSSSANNNDS!!!
Poster 6: Click here for more druid tips " www.asdgrcnt.cn/druiddps_keyloggerlol.php"
Poster 7: Dont click it, its a keylogger.
Poster 5: Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Poster 4: I have boomkin and i beat warlock, hunter and rogue dps consistently.
TS: I was asking for feral drood tips btw.
Poster 8 (rogue) : I hate you feral druids..ninjaing my leathers all the time.
Poster 9 (mage) : You guys need a nerf seriously. Look at me, im a mage, i supposed to be a main dps class in wow. So much for class balance, blizzard. GG
TS: Go back to your mage forums n QQ about it.
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This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Sep 11 2007, 06:10 PM

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Where's the obligatory L2P comment.

1) if ur 3v3 is amongst the top50 or so then it would matter. till then, the 5v5 matter more as it'll generate more points in less effort, and more points means easier gear acquiring. and gear, means a lot in your character performance. you dont expect to beat a 400 resil guy in just 200 resil, now do you?

2) you do realize that:
- bg9 is ONE bg
- 3 names out of the 4 names i mentioned are ALL in BG9 (hwarang is in EU WoW)
- its still 3v3? hello? even pandemic benched nitrana (#1 in BG9 3v3) for their 5v5
- 4dps setup isnt as friendly as you think because:
=you need either druid or paladin as a healer, preferably paladin, and a damn f***ing good one at that
=if enemy is smart, eg: the warrior, def stance + spell ref + BOP etc will stop your initial burst, and the strongest element of a 4dps team is burst. once thats taken away, you can kiss your 4dps goodbye.
=we are running a 4dps/3.5 dps setup atm, and i can assure you, its not as scrub friendly as you may think. especially in a latency handicapped enviroment. 3 dps 2 heal setup is much much more scrub friendly as it allows fights to be prolonged than the initial burst.
= again, paladin, is amongst the class ive mentioned as top4 class

3) you did noticed lock is amongst the top4 class i mentioned right? and in 2v2, you also realized warlocks are basically the best 1v1 class right? to some extent they can 1v2 easily. you may as well call it 2.5vs2 if ur team have a warlock already. and you know damn well 2v2/3v3 is based on rock paper scissors right? aka class imabalance. so for the most part the only thing that really matters is 5v5, and hunters/rogues suck badly at.

if ur gonna bring in why tournaments favor 3v3 more, ill fire this back at you, its simple, 5v5 is NOT fun to spectate. the main benefit of a tournament is spectators, and what the spectators favor, is what the tournament will favor as well, obviously.

4) you also realized dahis rerolled warr right? and nitrana rolled shaman, but got f***ed over by pandemic for it. and now he have no choice but to play back his rogue, only to get benched. thats #1 rogue for you, btw. and theres many others who rerolled. those who stayed (like me, being a rogue for over 2years++ and still going) just cling onto the very little faith that we have for our class. either that, or we just dont want to let everything go and reroll.

5) you also know they are low right? and you only know they are better in 2v2/3v3 right? (just like rogues) so what the hell ur trying to prove right there captain obvious? that a rock is a rock?

look, im not saying rogues are completely useless. i know i excel fighting caster based groups. but thats just it. and thats provided my latency dont f*** me over when im getting screwed over by frost mages/non-noob-locks that coex/priests that knows damn well how to kite a rogue (yes kiting rogues with priest, funny right?) while spamming instants/hots. and you yourself know they only do fine in 3v3 or below (assumption taken based on what ur emphasizing on), which is totally contradicting the point that im putting out: rogues suck in 5v5/high end arena.

TBC rogues do actually got a fresh restart in their class position. at some point i also admit its OVERPOWERED. but once high end arena kicks in with everyone over400+ resil, and the fact that rogues rely deeply on crits. they basically die off, along with hunters.

so captain obvious, less shooting urself in the foot now?

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Added on September 11, 2007, 11:31 pmthats one hunter.

im talking bout the majority

and you noticed that the world's best hunter (judging from ratings in ALL his arena teams, being basically #1 in 2v2/3v3/5v5 in his battlegroup constantly, and also attended quite a number of tournaments himself) hamchook is MM. and ultilizes in a very unique mana drain tactic with a scorpid that so MANY hunters followed his path.

MM hunters > surv for the most part because of silencing shot/better viper sting and multishot. that alone is more than enough to be favored over surv in most teams. silencing shot + priest silence (if you have s.priest) + mage CS + lock pet silence etc etc chained is a very brutal spell lockdown for any healer to coup with.

survial simply only offer DPS, that is VERY crit reliant, and resilience is built to counter crit.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 11:34 pmhi captain obvious on a wheelchair, less obvious and more paragraph will ya? and why isnt this thread closed when you said it is? more self shooting alright?

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Added on September 11, 2007, 11:35 pmomg less stealing my thunder prz!

btw thats a nice quote, <3.

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Added on September 11, 2007, 11:42 pmLOL WHATS THIS?! UR BRO POSTING?! OMG SARCASTIC MORE WILL YA? lol

kotoko tracks > ur face, yes, you suck, and so is your posts, and your face

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Added on September 11, 2007, 11:45 pmgood one, but as sets/ray mentioned, its lacking and hence forth:

FAIL

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 11 2007, 11:45 PM

1. it still wont generate more points if ur 5v5 rating is lower than 3v3 or even 2v2,sorry
and you dont need 2.5k 5v5 rating to get full arena sets+weapon in a season.
less effort?!?Finding 5 good teammate and lineup you want is easy as hell am i right?200res beating 400 res?well depends.
and if you start playing arena since season1,u now should have atlease 300res and arena weapon even if you have really shitty rating.

2.sorry i dont get it ...whats your point?You should Know BG9 is top battlegroup right now.
They benched nitrana because they are not running a 4dps setup or whatever lineup with a rogue and at that time,no one was thinking 4dps is a good choice.Most importantly thier 5v5 leader is Noktyn,of course he will run a setup is base on him.
actually a druid is better suited into 4dps lineup since druid can:
A:cyclone,feral charge,bash
B:you can only counterspell a good druid when he casting cyclone...and most of his healing abilty is instant cast.(ok dont say dispell druid HoT lol,you wont have time for it)
paladin advantage:
A:bof
B:bubble heal for 12 sec
disadvantage:
Cot,fear,counterspell,silence and blah blah blah

war's def stance + spell ref + BOP etc will stop 4dps initial burst?Yeah talk is easy, and no sorry you still cant stop them from killing your war with only spell ref+bop,unless you are running a gimped version 4dps setup.example..using hunter,using holy priest as healer.

3.Yeah sure warlock is imbalance and they are king of 2v2 3v3,but that dosent mean rogue is shitty which u mentioned in ur preview post.

4...............wow,you are as gay as ming.
Not every ppl reroll because thinking another classes is better,ok?theres many reason behind it that you dunno me dunno and Ming Fuking dunno either.

5.oh boy,because there are not many top restore druid out there,dosent mean they are shitty healer(5v5 or not) in arena ok?they are doing fine in 5v5 either.

Okok i know i know,playing a mutilate rogue is so hard,so why dont you try out combat mace?Buying a 1h Mace instead of buying another 1.8speed dagger as offhand so ur mutilate offhand damage can hit for 50 more damage?I must admit you are smart,but making a decision like this is really ...lol

Its latency(or your teammate) fuk over you not rogue classes.And no rogue are doing fine in 5v5 either,just like warlock spri and druid,they just have more classes setup choice in 3v3 2v2.
not only rogue rely on critical ,warrior mage shaman too,
so why dont you change a spec that dont rely on critical?


So your point is "rogue sux at 5v5 ,and 5v5 is the only thing that matter." right?
Since you are saying 5v5 take less effort,why dont you try form up a real 4dps team and stop crying ?

This post has been edited by eternallove: Sep 12 2007, 07:51 AM

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This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 12 2007, 09:48 AM

1) first off:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

with about 140ratings additional than my 5v5, my 3v3 only lose 10 arena points than my 5v5, but getting plague by class matrix and rock paper scissors factor, 5v5 is definitely a LOT easier to play AND gain ratings(and ultimately arena points) at the same time.

oh quote: it still wont generate more points if ur 5v5 rating is lower than 3v3 or even 2v2,sorry
im 140 points, and YES LOWER than my 3v3, oops, i got 10 more arena points than 3v3. wtf? BLASPHEMY?!?!?!?!

while you dont need a buttload of arena points to get full set arena gears and all, but the more points you have, the bette rur chance for you to end a high rank at the end of the season. you cant possibly be decked out right at the start

and if you refered to my armory link, im pretty decently geared thank you. but thats me, what about my teammates? my guildies? or other people that rerolled, started mid-season? tell em to qqmore l2p? pretty sure there are other players out there that actually require the high AP/week, be it reroll, or respeccing different spec (eg:druids) and so on, they do exist.

sure, you cant 5 good teammates and have the best possible lineup (paladin/warrior/warlock/priest/x). but letme give you this comparison:
getting 4monkeys + you and lose 10 games/week in 5v5, or getting 2 actually good players, to actually win in 3v3, im sure, getting 4 monkeys are much MUCH easier.

2) point is simple, that is merely one bg, and its a top bg at that. and thats where most, if not ALL of the top roguesgathered. outside of that bg, rogues that end up with high rankings in 3v3 needless to say 5v5 is so few or even non-existant.

and to ur beloved 4dps setup:
http://www.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Min...al-Goes-Insane/
http://www.radikalnoise.com/2007/09/my-trip-to-7-11.html (for some lols)

just FYI, noktyn is actually runnin a 4dps setup, and another FYI, nitrana is still on the bench. and guess who their 4dps setup is with? nope, no rogue.
www.wowarmory.com
^ look it up if you dont believe

A) yea, try cast cyclone as a single healer where NO ONE will silence/interrupt you. and when ur in bear, you cant heal, and ur the only healer. really, smart, right? and whats to stop OTHER team from cycloning ur druid? lol?
B) lol wait, you can only counterspell a GOOD druid, you meant bad druid... right? ROFL and bear in mind, hots take time, AND can be dispelled, why dont you have time to dispel hots? elaborate more? 1-1.5seconds gcd isnt hard if ur team have elem shams (which doesnt heals), resto shams or priests for mass dispels/instant dispels. oh, felpuppies find magics particularly tasty too, not to mention mages that could probably use some heals.

and dont forget to list down:
plate, BOP, cleanse that works on everything cept curses.

and druids are also susceptible to cot (you think JUST hots can last you through everything? how naive. oh yea, cyclone apparently dont need cast time?) fear, counterspell (same case for COT), silence (same case for COT) and blah blah blah (lolwut?)

and here you are, also talking, way to contradict urself? it MAY or MAY NOT stop a 4dps killing ur warrior, but it sure as hell will buy time and usually enough time, for his team to counter. by either taking one of the 4dps team along with him to the grave, if that makes the healer, that said team is in for some trouble.

3) and here you are being captain obvious and shooting urself in the foot (yet again), stop beating the dead horse please?

4) so... they posting on their blogs/websites etc on the reasons they reroll to another class (at least the names ive mentioned which is dahis/nitrana) means we dunno right? (im sure you have some wierd perception in regards to this but ill leave it at that) and why bring in ming to the picture? hugging his epeens already? not to mention being irrelevant.

5) and anywhere in my post mentioning druids being shitty healers? i bet not. so now ur putting words into my mouth?

and no, playing mutilate rogue isnt any harder than playing combat/hemo rogues. (hard to believe right?)
and no, if you've ever been researching rogues (rogue forums/spreadsheet simulations), its not just a minor 50 dmg increase, its give or take 100-300 dmg increase (assuming ur target is 300-400 resil), and any targets less than the resilience i quote, will have a much higher dmg increase.
run your research/spreadsheets nextime before you try to talk shit ok?

that said, i will be having s3 shiv instead of shanker next season, reason for that is because im i need quicker crippling poisons and mongoose proc, which i am willing to ditch the dmg increase. (my current shanker is weapon chain equipped instead of mongoose, despite what stupid armory says, which is also another reason why shanker > shiv)
another FYI, one of my high dmg source is also from my trinket cb muti, and its also a good source of burst even on high resil target. on 0 resil targets it can hit for around 4-5k, on post 400 resil targets it can hit between 1.5-3k. should i have a shiv instead of a shanker, i can guarantee you ill be losing perhaps 300-700++ of said burst dmg.

so for you to make a remark like this, is really... lol. back in your face.

and no, they are definitely not doing fine, at least when compared to the top 4 classes. for you to even say that means you have a severe lack of understanding of the situation.

also, have you been hit by a skillherald warrior before? and yes, hit, not crit. sure, they do need crits too, but they sure as hell can live without it, while classes like hunters and rogues, being unable to crit is basically laughing stock. (lol hemo)
and no, there is no rogue spec that dont rely on crit, if you even dare bring in combat spec, ill first LOL at you for that. a ss crit/white crit will always be a ton of help compared to non-crits. and arush is only a 15 sec burst. if that said 15 sec burst you cant kill the target, ur gonna be a joke (look at the 2v2 with xecks vs neilyo, i lol'ed at the dps)

and simply stating that 4dps setup is the only way for rogues are already contradicting urself that they are doing fine. as rogues are restricted to a particular team setup to actually work.

as for the crying part, i can assure you, im pretty much doing fine. not particularly successful, but definitely not a failure enough to cry. if you consider this crying, i would suggest that you start sending mails/pms to all the top rogues in bg9 to tell them to stop crying, for their suggestions/opinions/critisms etc being tossed around by FAR exceeds mine. dont forget to letme know the result, i wanna see their response.

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Added on September 12, 2007, 12:09 pm

lolwut?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 12 2007, 12:09 PM

Hmm...we should get people angry more often on LYN. More information comes out.

actually, zecks is back to playing a rogue in competitive 5v5 and is doing quite well i heard. one of the top teams in bg9.

i concur

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Added on September 12, 2007, 2:50 pmand the entire rogue community = xecks right?
its like saying warriors arent overpowered when jared "donut-muncher-noktyn" got owned by rogues in arenas/duels (yes, many videos recorded just to laugh at the chubby)
or when a warlock got wtfpwned by a rogue that clearly outskilled the b**** and claim locks are not overpowered (if you agree to this please do urself, god, and everyone on lyn WoW forum a favor and shoot urself in the face now)
or when rogues like xecks/nitrana etc, or hunters like hamchook actually stands out and claim rogues are fine l2p.

look at how many warriors/priests/paladins/warlocks stand out, as opposed to the handful of rogues/hunters. thats the main point of issue right here.

read clearly what ive posted in my post, thoroughly. but since ur prolly lazy like almost everybody else, heres some spoonfeeding from ur own quote:


xecks himself also expressed his suggestions/concerns over rogue forums, and blogs, so again, your point?

=edit=
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ondrius&n=Xecks
O SHI-

I OWN XECKS ON 3V3??!?!?!WHATTTTTTTT
^ lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 12 2007, 03:07 PM