1) 5v5 or 3v3 yields more epeen and/or points?
2) check your info again, 3v3 teams are still majoritily dominated by the unholy 4 warrior/paladin/warlock/priest
3) the above applies to 2v2 and 5v5 as well
4) when world class players like nitrana/xecks/neilyo/hwarang have issues with their class and from time to time express their concerns about the rogue class, i doubt its just a matter of "know how to play the class, and it'll be f***ing useful", because quite frankly, those guys KNOW how to play their damn class.
5) look around the tournaments being held, rogues and hunters are always on the all time low as opposed to the unholy 4 -> warrior/paladin/warlock/priest, this should mean something, if it doesnt to you, go shoot yourself in the head.
6) EPIC FAIL, TRY AGAIN BIATCH.

1) if ur 3v3 is amongst the top50 or so then it would matter. till then, the 5v5 matter more as it'll generate more points in less effort, and more points means easier gear acquiring. and gear, means a lot in your character performance. you dont expect to beat a 400 resil guy in just 200 resil, now do you?

2) you do realize that:
- bg9 is ONE bg
- 3 names out of the 4 names i mentioned are ALL in BG9 (hwarang is in EU WoW)
- its still 3v3? hello? even pandemic benched nitrana (#1 in BG9 3v3) for their 5v5
- 4dps setup isnt as friendly as you think because:
=you need either druid or paladin as a healer, preferably paladin, and a damn f***ing good one at that
=if enemy is smart, eg: the warrior, def stance + spell ref + BOP etc will stop your initial burst, and the strongest element of a 4dps team is burst. once thats taken away, you can kiss your 4dps goodbye.
=we are running a 4dps/3.5 dps setup atm, and i can assure you, its not as scrub friendly as you may think. especially in a latency handicapped enviroment. 3 dps 2 heal setup is much much more scrub friendly as it allows fights to be prolonged than the initial burst.
= again, paladin, is amongst the class ive mentioned as top4 class

3) you did noticed lock is amongst the top4 class i mentioned right? and in 2v2, you also realized warlocks are basically the best 1v1 class right? to some extent they can 1v2 easily. you may as well call it 2.5vs2 if ur team have a warlock already. and you know damn well 2v2/3v3 is based on rock paper scissors right? aka class imabalance. so for the most part the only thing that really matters is 5v5, and hunters/rogues suck badly at.

if ur gonna bring in why tournaments favor 3v3 more, ill fire this back at you, its simple, 5v5 is NOT fun to spectate. the main benefit of a tournament is spectators, and what the spectators favor, is what the tournament will favor as well, obviously.

4) you also realized dahis rerolled warr right? and nitrana rolled shaman, but got f***ed over by pandemic for it. and now he have no choice but to play back his rogue, only to get benched. thats #1 rogue for you, btw. and theres many others who rerolled. those who stayed (like me, being a rogue for over 2years++ and still going) just cling onto the very little faith that we have for our class. either that, or we just dont want to let everything go and reroll.

5) you also know they are low right? and you only know they are better in 2v2/3v3 right? (just like rogues) so what the hell ur trying to prove right there captain obvious? that a rock is a rock?

look, im not saying rogues are completely useless. i know i excel fighting caster based groups. but thats just it. and thats provided my latency dont f*** me over when im getting screwed over by frost mages/non-noob-locks that coex/priests that knows damn well how to kite a rogue (yes kiting rogues with priest, funny right?) while spamming instants/hots. and you yourself know they only do fine in 3v3 or below (assumption taken based on what ur emphasizing on), which is totally contradicting the point that im putting out: rogues suck in 5v5/high end arena.

TBC rogues do actually got a fresh restart in their class position. at some point i also admit its OVERPOWERED. but once high end arena kicks in with everyone over400+ resil, and the fact that rogues rely deeply on crits. they basically die off, along with hunters.

so captain obvious, less shooting urself in the foot now?

1) first off:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

with about 140ratings additional than my 5v5, my 3v3 only lose 10 arena points than my 5v5, but getting plague by class matrix and rock paper scissors factor, 5v5 is definitely a LOT easier to play AND gain ratings(and ultimately arena points) at the same time.

oh quote: it still wont generate more points if ur 5v5 rating is lower than 3v3 or even 2v2,sorry
im 140 points, and YES LOWER than my 3v3, oops, i got 10 more arena points than 3v3. wtf? BLASPHEMY?!?!?!?!

while you dont need a buttload of arena points to get full set arena gears and all, but the more points you have, the bette rur chance for you to end a high rank at the end of the season. you cant possibly be decked out right at the start

and if you refered to my armory link, im pretty decently geared thank you. but thats me, what about my teammates? my guildies? or other people that rerolled, started mid-season? tell em to qqmore l2p? pretty sure there are other players out there that actually require the high AP/week, be it reroll, or respeccing different spec (eg:druids) and so on, they do exist.

sure, you cant 5 good teammates and have the best possible lineup (paladin/warrior/warlock/priest/x). but letme give you this comparison:
getting 4monkeys + you and lose 10 games/week in 5v5, or getting 2 actually good players, to actually win in 3v3, im sure, getting 4 monkeys are much MUCH easier.

2) point is simple, that is merely one bg, and its a top bg at that. and thats where most, if not ALL of the top roguesgathered. outside of that bg, rogues that end up with high rankings in 3v3 needless to say 5v5 is so few or even non-existant.

and to ur beloved 4dps setup:
http://www.gameriot.com/blogs/World-of-Min...al-Goes-Insane/
http://www.radikalnoise.com/2007/09/my-trip-to-7-11.html (for some lols)

just FYI, noktyn is actually runnin a 4dps setup, and another FYI, nitrana is still on the bench. and guess who their 4dps setup is with? nope, no rogue.
www.wowarmory.com
^ look it up if you dont believe

A) yea, try cast cyclone as a single healer where NO ONE will silence/interrupt you. and when ur in bear, you cant heal, and ur the only healer. really, smart, right? and whats to stop OTHER team from cycloning ur druid? lol?
B) lol wait, you can only counterspell a GOOD druid, you meant bad druid... right? ROFL and bear in mind, hots take time, AND can be dispelled, why dont you have time to dispel hots? elaborate more? 1-1.5seconds gcd isnt hard if ur team have elem shams (which doesnt heals), resto shams or priests for mass dispels/instant dispels. oh, felpuppies find magics particularly tasty too, not to mention mages that could probably use some heals.

and dont forget to list down:
plate, BOP, cleanse that works on everything cept curses.

and druids are also susceptible to cot (you think JUST hots can last you through everything? how naive. oh yea, cyclone apparently dont need cast time?) fear, counterspell (same case for COT), silence (same case for COT) and blah blah blah (lolwut?)

and here you are, also talking, way to contradict urself? it MAY or MAY NOT stop a 4dps killing ur warrior, but it sure as hell will buy time and usually enough time, for his team to counter. by either taking one of the 4dps team along with him to the grave, if that makes the healer, that said team is in for some trouble.

3) and here you are being captain obvious and shooting urself in the foot (yet again), stop beating the dead horse please?

4) so... they posting on their blogs/websites etc on the reasons they reroll to another class (at least the names ive mentioned which is dahis/nitrana) means we dunno right? (im sure you have some wierd perception in regards to this but ill leave it at that) and why bring in ming to the picture? hugging his epeens already? not to mention being irrelevant.

5) and anywhere in my post mentioning druids being shitty healers? i bet not. so now ur putting words into my mouth?

and no, playing mutilate rogue isnt any harder than playing combat/hemo rogues. (hard to believe right?)
and no, if you've ever been researching rogues (rogue forums/spreadsheet simulations), its not just a minor 50 dmg increase, its give or take 100-300 dmg increase (assuming ur target is 300-400 resil), and any targets less than the resilience i quote, will have a much higher dmg increase.
run your research/spreadsheets nextime before you try to talk shit ok?

that said, i will be having s3 shiv instead of shanker next season, reason for that is because im i need quicker crippling poisons and mongoose proc, which i am willing to ditch the dmg increase. (my current shanker is weapon chain equipped instead of mongoose, despite what stupid armory says, which is also another reason why shanker > shiv)
another FYI, one of my high dmg source is also from my trinket cb muti, and its also a good source of burst even on high resil target. on 0 resil targets it can hit for around 4-5k, on post 400 resil targets it can hit between 1.5-3k. should i have a shiv instead of a shanker, i can guarantee you ill be losing perhaps 300-700++ of said burst dmg.

so for you to make a remark like this, is really... lol. back in your face.

and no, they are definitely not doing fine, at least when compared to the top 4 classes. for you to even say that means you have a severe lack of understanding of the situation.

also, have you been hit by a skillherald warrior before? and yes, hit, not crit. sure, they do need crits too, but they sure as hell can live without it, while classes like hunters and rogues, being unable to crit is basically laughing stock. (lol hemo)
and no, there is no rogue spec that dont rely on crit, if you even dare bring in combat spec, ill first LOL at you for that. a ss crit/white crit will always be a ton of help compared to non-crits. and arush is only a 15 sec burst. if that said 15 sec burst you cant kill the target, ur gonna be a joke (look at the 2v2 with xecks vs neilyo, i lol'ed at the dps)

and simply stating that 4dps setup is the only way for rogues are already contradicting urself that they are doing fine. as rogues are restricted to a particular team setup to actually work.

as for the crying part, i can assure you, im pretty much doing fine. not particularly successful, but definitely not a failure enough to cry. if you consider this crying, i would suggest that you start sending mails/pms to all the top rogues in bg9 to tell them to stop crying, for their suggestions/opinions/critisms etc being tossed around by FAR exceeds mine. dont forget to letme know the result, i wanna see their response.

probably the only solace id have is pwning noobs, and thats what the rogue is prolly best for. nothing beats mutilating 0 resil nubs that can socre 4-5k without berserking, and with zerking it can go well beyond 5k ish. and the few occassions, like that other day on wsg, theres this 3 rogues running around gankin people together, i happen to get caught in riding my mount towards midfield. the fight ended with my having 900 hp and all 3 of them on the floor. i lol'ed. then i ate their corpses and bandaged, 1 rogue that rez'ed early came for me, he ended up on the floor too. i lol'ed more.

yea, just like how resilience is f***ing over me, my 447 resilience is f***ing over them. irony isnt it?