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post Sep 17 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Sep 17 2021, 12:36 PM)
Hi guysz need advise, should I get life insurance if I already have MLTA?
MLTA is fixed lump sum payment in case if I die, to my wife. So my thinking is MLTA is a life insurance in a way...so another 400k worth of life insurance is an overkill..since I already have MLTA

And after I pay my loan finish, MLTA will cease to exist...but life insurance also has a maturity period, with renewable option (not sure if I will want to renew after 60)
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There are a lot of things that you need to put into considerations :

1. budget - set a budget for yourself , for example monthly budget for total life insurance that you can commit

2. calculate all your asset / debt vs your income ratio to know how much you should insured on yourself.
just like you insured max amount of your car market value. If we want to insure on ourself, we also need to calculate our value thumbup.gif

3. dependent , is there anyone rely on your to survive ? like family members
if yes then you need to insured more on income replacement / beneficiary payout in case anything happen

4. understand all policy offered by insurance company and pick the one that suits your requirements.

Suggest you to get advise from few insurance agent and make your own judgement and decision later on ? rclxms.gif
The things is insurance itemised coverage can be customised to suits different profile and most of the time client are not aware of what they are purchasing.
Some they just hantam and buy, when claim happen only realised he bought the wrong thing.
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post Sep 17 2021, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(lapland @ Sep 17 2021, 02:04 PM)
Hi Sifus
I am looking for a comprehensive medical card plus life insurance for my 2 month old.
cover payor would be great.
Both parents no medical illnesses.
Currently we are using mediCal card from PruBSN and AIA.
Budget upto 500/ month

Please let me know if any infOs required. thanks !
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currently you already have medical card from prubsn and aia
why not just use back existing medical card and purchase extra life/accident/CI from prubsn / aia takaful ?

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post Sep 17 2021, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(lapland @ Sep 17 2021, 03:30 PM)
Looking for insurance and medical card for the child.
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ohhh sorry overlook ur statement...
many agent will pm you already to give quotation rclxms.gif
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post Oct 1 2021, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Oct 1 2021, 01:28 AM)
a single mother who did not declare a thyroid case who died in a car accident is not entitled to insurance compensation

How can this happen PA claim linked to medical case confused.gif
Anybody can share truthfully or if want can PM me directly huh.gif
Can they report to bank negara or need lawyer to sue
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yeap need a lawyer to sue back insurer , however case to case basis.
this china press did not reveal which insurance company and what plan the client purchase.
if the covered terms is written black & white inside initial contract but still reject claim , then chances of winning is very high.
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post Oct 1 2021, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(blibala @ Oct 1 2021, 10:34 AM)
Actually i wonder how insurance company know she had thyroid. If they can find out when she want to making claim, why dont insurer check before approve their application..

I really puzzle on this.
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When policy sign up , insurer will do a brief check only , they expect customer declare everything.
When claim happen , many money gonna pay out , so they will trace every single record before payment is issues.
But it really & case to case basis , have to see in details each case. Some court case win by customer, some win by insurer.

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post Oct 2 2021, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Alvan86 @ Oct 2 2021, 12:13 AM)
Recently thinking to get another insurance to complement existing one. Any recommended agent? Preferably someone who is professional, experienced and not new agent
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any preferred insurance company ?
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post Oct 4 2021, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Mcwong73 @ Oct 4 2021, 08:47 AM)
I used to pay insurance per annum, when i switch to monthly payment frequency, I calculate the monthly cost x12 is higher than yearly paid prior. Do you experience the same?
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Certain plan get discount if you choose to pay by yearly.
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Oct 7 2021, 11:31 AM)
I intend to withdraw some money from my Prudential (Conventional) ILP plan, but my servicing agent says that there's a need to check for sustainability report? Errr just why is this, since I am paying the premium regularly through direct debit.
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LOL , if your agent is pro , he can directly do it from our iPad system , not even need to email here and there or fill up forms.

Everything can be done digitally , just make sure that you don’t fill the 100% amount. For example you are paying 2000 premium per month. Let’s say your ilp cash inside is 18000. Make sure you only withdraw up to 16000 Max. Anything more than that will get rejected and you have to reapply all over again.

Just help client perform withdrawal digitally. Monday apply next Monday money already inside his savings account.

If you use form also can , but need email & ding dong here and there lo. Admin speed is slow. Use form generally 2-4weeks receive money.

Below are some info for your reference.
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post Oct 7 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(wong_86 @ Oct 7 2021, 02:25 PM)
Question,  if upgrade from existing medical card Prumed (2009-2020) to Prumillion, is there still required 120 days waiting period? Within this period, is there any coverage?

Now the proposal approve and endorsement issued, but i didn't declare 2019 and 2021 blood test result, i need to concern ?
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hi wong_86 As long as you don't surrender and purchase new then it is ok , nothing much to worry about.
upgrade / downgrade no issue , follow back your existing coverage rclxms.gif

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post Oct 11 2021, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Aghi @ Oct 9 2021, 10:13 PM)
Tq [email=lifebalance]lifebalance[/email]. As long we declare everything honestly then no problem right.
But what will the company investigation based on?
Lets say the doctor said this cancer already must have for the past 1 year (which would be before i take this insurance), but just now only giving symptom. Can this affect?
Or is it better i do a full medical check up and keep it as prove.

Sorry asking so detail because as we all know cancer is a complicated b**ch.
This thing may not be detect during health screening and might only give effect after second stage like that.
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I directly copy this portion from policy document to clear your doubt biggrin.gif

Pre-Existing Conditions means disability, illness and/or condition that you and/or the Insured Life
under the respective Annexure attached to this Policy has reasonable knowledge of
before the Date of Policy, the date of endorsement, or the date it is revived, if applicable.

You and/or the Insured Life may be considered to have reasonable knowledge of a pre-existing condition
where the disability, illness and/or condition is one for which:
a) you and/or the Insured Life had received or is receiving treatment;
b) medical advice, diagnosis, care or treatment has been recommended;
c) clear and distinct symptoms are or were evident; or
d) its existence would have been apparent to a reasonable person in the circumstances

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post Oct 23 2021, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Oct 23 2021, 03:00 AM)
Hi, does anyone know whether medical report fee is claimable from insurer when we submit claims report ?

Specifically, i bought a CI attached together with my house loan/mrta with AIA. Now when i am making a claim, they request for all sorts of supporting and many doctor statements (so far already more than 5). They also asked me to provide the original copy of the receipt (for the medical report fee) to them. Would they ask for the receipts eventhough it is not claimable? I understand normally it is not claimable or am i wrong ?
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hi your case quite similar with me. I purchased a house , loan with public bank and the banker insists to sell me AIA life insurance in order to get a cheaper interest rate.

I have no choice but to adhere with it.After I obtained the policy document , insurance agent part is actually the banker name. I guess he earn commission out of it. After that whenever I want to perform claim or servicing , this banker won’t help and he also not familiar with claim process flow / operation at all. End up everything is deal with aia customer service to resolve it.

Furthermore bank policy unable to transfer to another servicing agent 😅 both aia and prudential also the same , cannot be transferred.

It took me around 2 months for a claim of rm7000. I have to walk in and email aia customer service , plus self pay all the documentation in between which cost around 100-200 , I don’t think that can be reimburse back.

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post Oct 27 2021, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(a8dee @ Oct 27 2021, 02:54 AM)
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Saw this in my insurance proposal from Prudential. Is this normal for new applications? I'm applying Life+Medical+ILP for my children, noticed this at the end of the proposal. Does it apply only to Prudential or other insurance providers charged for this as well?
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lol .... you are very details in checking out the service charges from the policy contract.
This is just one of it , there are still others small small management fees, like few ringgit, for funds management as well. biggrin.gif

Therefore , the premium that you are paying per month,
1. Certain portion of it is paid to insurance agent [until a duration]
2. Certain portion is paid to administration
3. Certain portion might be paid to miscellaneous [ if there is any ]
4. Certain portion is paid as insurance charges
5. Lastly certain portion put into saving if your plan has it.

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post Nov 4 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Nov 4 2021, 06:58 PM)
Hi, my mother medical card recently price hike from rm248 to rm404 . Age 61.  Coverage 100k and room and board rm150. Any advise to cancel and find a new policy? The price hike seems too much while the coverage unchanged.
Policy bought year 2016. Never claim before and no long term illness etc.
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Advise you to perform endorsement to your policy whether to decrease , maintain or upgrade policy.

Not advisable to cancel and purchase new due to the waiting period and also by purchase new, it’s gonna be costing more. You can try to ask agent to quote and compare with your existing policy if you still want to know the price differences thou.

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post Nov 5 2021, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Nov 4 2021, 07:38 PM)
2016 monthly was rm200++ now rm400++..

Annual limit 100k
Lifetime limit : n/a
Kidney and outpatient : 250k lifetime limit.

I just checked back my mum policy. Seems price hike a lot. Not investment plan. Aia 150 I plan.
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Since covid , repricing keeps on happening regardless whether it is investment plan / standalone.
You have to plan ahead whether to maintain / switch plan.

My mum also 62 years old already
Some tips from my past experience :
1. Insurance charges for senior citizen > 60 is very expensive,if you want cheaper can choose deductible / co-insurance
2. New purchase for >60 always need to undergo strict Medical Examination / ECG test, therefore purchase during early age is important.
3. They might not be able to fully utilise the limit given , because most of the cancer treatment / surgery are not recommend for senior citizen.
* A real case scenario where cancer strike my wife parent & he refuse to go for chemotherapy due to the suffer & pain. He rather spend his last moment peacefully with his family.
4. Some of them give up medical insurance plan and used the money for insurance legacy plan instead to pass on the money to their child.

*Most important is plan wisely & also understand your mum requirements / needs.

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post Nov 10 2021, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Nov 9 2021, 10:42 PM)
Appreciate the answers, gents! Make sense that there will be negative news if I look for it on purpose. I'll try to assess a few brand without biases for now and come back when I think I can ask the right or better questions, thanks! I was going to ask what do I actually need, but reading through the thread archive, it seems I'll need to find the starting point myself first.
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or start by researching or study about malaysia insurance blog sites first ?
after that get some presentation from few agents and see which you are more comfortable to go with rclxms.gif
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post Nov 11 2021, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(jayreekazin @ Nov 11 2021, 01:29 PM)
Is that a lifetime limit of RM160k? If yes, I would suggest to upgrade to those yearly renewable limit of xx mil as lifetime limit rm160k barely enough if diagnosed of anything. If cost is concern, can also opt for deductible during your working years, and with option to remove this deductible  upon retirement (since companies normally provide hospitalisation benefits as staff benefit, so can use this to offset the deductible amount). Allianz have this feature, but im not sure if other insurers have this as well.

Of course there other thing to consider like any exisiting medical conditions that developed since you bought this prulink card, which would be excluded when u opt to buy a new upgraded card.
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PRULink Assurance Account --> This is like the insurance plan label / naming , every few year come out with new naming doh.gif
Policy type = Investment linked life insurance where you get the options to add accident , life , CI , medical cards , payor , savings if you need it.

RM 160,000.00 --> this refers to life / TPD
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Rider(s) / Rider(-rider)
Crisis Cover Benefit --> this refer to one of the CI add on , again it can be in lots of different naming and coverage terms
RM 80,000.00
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PRUDisability Provider Benefit --> this is an ancient income replacement rider where new plan no longer have , it pays 20k yearly if policy owner suffer from TPD
RM 20,000.00
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PRUMed Benefit --> this is also an ancient income replacement rider, need to refer back contract to know more what is covered
3 Unit(s)
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PRUPayor --> this is premium waiver , 2604 per year no need pay but still insured & covered by insurance if policy owner suffers CI / TPD
RM 2,604.00 p.a.
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PRUMajor Med Benefit --> this is prudential ancient medical card naming as well , details like limit have to refer back pruaccess portal
Plan 200

All riders can be removed or upgrade , even the coverage period also can be modify , subject to approval.
Therefore quite flexible in my opinion , just that most of the issue faced by clients is they had forgotten what had been purchased & often upgraded things that they don't need. His insurance agent plays an important roles in solving these issues instead of miselling.

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post Nov 22 2021, 11:43 AM

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For those who would like to sign up prudential , there are year end cashback promotion start from today.
However premium need to reach certain threshold only can enjoy this cashback.

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post Nov 23 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Nov 23 2021, 01:34 PM)
From 10 insurance companies?

I am looking for 2m life insurance that payable in 20 years term BD can cover up to 99 yo.

If those that can cover till 70yo, don't PM me
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jack2if you want payable in 20 years & cover up to 99 yo for 2M life, the premium gonna be very expensive.
you can refer here :
https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-w...pruwealth-plus/

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post Nov 23 2021, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Nov 23 2021, 07:57 PM)
I asked already. The UW said as long as the quotation can be generated, the fund is sustained until 99yo
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Case to case basis , provided let’s say no upfront withdrawal performed , you still have to rely on funds performance + repricing if any. That’s why there is a clause always use inside contract which mentioned non guaranteed.

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post Dec 7 2021, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Dec 7 2021, 01:46 PM)
Life insurance is not worth la... Paying so much until maturity and if no death, then all monies paid are burned.

Any insurance that covers so and upon maturity nothing happens, then repay the principal or part of the total paid?
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Lol , That is certainly not the case , there are many policy out there which provides partial or even 100% full refund if you stay healthy until policy terminated.
Just that customer may not aware, it is always written on all those websites , have to read it line by line.

Generally for the same amount of money paid , coverage is higher for those policy that does not have cash value or money burnt if healthy after paid.

For example :
https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-h...nefits/prulady/
search the keyword 100% refund
* provided you don't surrender halfway

For example :
https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-h.../prusenior-med/
money all burn if healthy upon maturity

For example :
https://www.prudential.com.my/en/products-w...pruwealth-plus/
Able to get back partial return if healthy upon maturity, provided you pay shorter terms.

And so on ..... you have to dig all the info from respective websites like AIA / GE / Alianz .

This is the reason why many rich people bought millions of life coverage and pay lumpsum / shortest term + max out maturity to 100 years.
Because they know they will pass away before 100 years old , and in their mindset as long as total premium paid < sum assured , they treat it as earning money.

Or the easiest way , some people just follow and learn how agent themself purchase insurance , learn how those rich people purchase insurance.

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