Game changer for medical insurance going forward. Please read this:
https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/20124/9380...ack-ed-mhit.pdf
Insurance Talk V7!, Your one stop Insurance Discussion
Insurance Talk V7!, Your one stop Insurance Discussion
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Mar 1 2024, 10:12 AM
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Game changer for medical insurance going forward. Please read this:
https://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/20124/9380...ack-ed-mhit.pdf |
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Mar 1 2024, 10:21 AM
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1. A licensed ITO will no longer be permitted to design any new individual medical reimbursement insurance/takaful products without a co-payment feature or to offer any add-ons to reduce or fully waive the co-payment portion. This means that licensed ITOs must include a co-payment feature to any new individual medical reimbursement insurance/takaful products that it will introduce into the market effective 1 June 2024.
2. The minimum co-payment requirement of co-insurance/co-takaful is 5% of total claimable expenses (after deductible) and/or RM500 deductible per policy/takaful certificate year for new individual medical reimbursement insurance/takaful product. 3. A licensed ITO must also have and offer at least one co-payment product with the minimum co-payment level by 1 September 2024 unless otherwise specified by the Bank. In the event a licensed ITO does not have any on-shelf individual medical reimbursement insurance/takaful product with the minimum co-payment amount, the licensed ITO must design a new individual medical reimbursement insurance/takaful product that meets the minimum amount. |
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Mar 1 2024, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 1 2024, 10:18 AM) I believe Great Eastern's ILP riders don't meet the requirement. So they will need to launch a new product. Their existing rider only has a deductible of RM300 and it can be waived with another add-on rider. |
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Mar 1 2024, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 1 2024, 10:26 AM) I'm pretty sure the insurance companies got the memo way earlier before you release the press release from BNM. Hence why most of the implementation is already done before the due date given. Oh yes, obviously. I am just sharing here with forumers who are customers. The draft was issued two years back and companies are already working on products that meet the requirement.This is just a "moving forward" kind of thing on the newer plans. Just that, now it's been finalized and in black and white. |
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Mar 2 2024, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 2 2024, 09:46 AM) Hey guys I'm currently paying 1.5k monthly for life insurance and I'm starting to feel it's a little heavy on my budget. I'm thinking to reduce the premium but I know it will affect the coverage. Almost likely there is some savings component there. What plan is this? Maybe consider getting a pure life. But sometimes cancelling a savings plan midway can be most costly than just keeping it till maturityBut I'm curious how does it affect my entire policy say I reduce to 800 myr |
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Mar 2 2024, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 2 2024, 01:07 PM) May I ask how much is your life insurance coverage and premium? I'm meeting my agent when he comes back from his course. Need to see the average people pay. Many thanks No one size fits all. Generally as you head into retirement, can scale back life coverage. Also, as your net assets increase, you can do the same. Unless, you are getting life insurance as a way to transfer wealth but there are better waysThis post has been edited by contestchris: Mar 2 2024, 01:50 PM |
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Mar 5 2024, 08:57 PM
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![]() Hi all, assisting a friend here. Current premium = RM220/month Suggested premium increase due to medical repricing = RM50/month Suggested premium increase due to sustainability letter = RM130/month If they were to make a change here, (e.g. change from RM50 to RM130), how will this additional premium be treated as? 1. Additional premium of RM130 will be treated as a regular premium increase and subject to 43% first year allocation rate (then 76% in Y3, 85% in Y5 and 100% in Y7) 2. Additional premium above the recommended will be treated as regular premium, i.e. RM130 - RM50 = RM80 and subject to 43% first year allocation rate, while the recommended increase in premium of RM50 will be treated as regular top-up premium and subject to 95% allocation rate in perpetuity. 3. Additional premum of RM130 will be treated as regular top-up premium and subject to 95% allocation rate in perpetuity. Appreciate your kind assistance |
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Mar 5 2024, 10:24 PM
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Does anybody know if Great Eastern's IL Great Income Rider (U81) has been repriced since it was launched?
I cannot seem to tally the monthly insurance charges for this rider, with the insurance charge per annum table in Schedule 10 of the policy contract. This is quite an old policy (since 2012). |
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Mar 5 2024, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 5 2024, 10:27 PM) The letter only specifies if the selected amount is lower, not higher.Anyways, I also think it should be 95% in any case, just wanted some confirmation if anyone knew about it. |
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Mar 7 2024, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 5 2024, 10:27 PM) Asked GE via email, they gave this written reply:"Please be advised that the allocation rate for the increased premium amount (i.e. RM100) - GSR is 100% to the Total Investment Value." Somehow I find it hard to believe the allocation rate would be 100%. Perhaps they made a mistake? Clarifying with them again. I thought GSR allocation rate was 95%. Can any GE agent confirm? |
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Mar 27 2024, 09:05 AM
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Yes, this is the way. All things said, you have a higher risk than the average person to get it again in the future. As insurance works based on risk pooling, it is only fair for others buying insurance that your pre-existing condition is excluded.
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May 15 2024, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ May 14 2024, 09:56 PM) Hi Sifus my GE agent just asked me to surrender my Medic Xtra -99 plan and purchase SmartMedic Shield+SmartMedic Shield Ask your agent to fuck right off and report to GE.Extender plan. May I ask if it is possible to upgrade the existing old plan instead rather than surrendering and buying new plan? I would like to avoid the reset of contestability period. You can do a direct upgrade. You will still be subject to contestability period and medical underwriting. The stupid part about surrender is that you will forgo your current allocation rate (which should be 100%) and start back lower. So basically you will eb bleeding money the first x years while your agent makes bank. Be sure to report such unethical agents. This post has been edited by contestchris: May 15 2024, 12:26 AM |
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May 24 2024, 12:23 AM
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In the past couple of months, the GE Enhanced Equity Fund is doing very well! Almost 15% returns.
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Jun 14 2024, 02:26 PM
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Has anyone bought life/term takaful product?
How is the surplus distributed by default? 1. They send you a cheque 2. They bank into your account 3. They contra with your upcoming premium |
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Jun 16 2024, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Jun 16 2024, 10:16 PM) Hi all, appreciate some advice please. The most important information is missing - your age?I bought my P brand medical card (with ILP component) for more than 15 years now and here are the details: - Premium: RM250/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 80K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 70, room & board 200, annual limit 75K, lifetime limit 780K, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 10% min 300, max 1K - Accidental benefit: personal accident 100K I have been pretty ignorant and recently learnt that the benefits for my plan are very subpar as compared to the new plans in the market now so i asked my agent to quote for an upgrade, and these are what she proposed: Proposal A - Premium: RM500/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 80K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 100, room & board 200, annual limit 2M, lifetime limit n/a, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 500 - Accidental benefit: personal accident 100K Proposal B - Premium: RM350/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 10K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 100, room & board 200, annual limit 2M, lifetime limit n/a, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 500 - Accidental benefit: personal accident n/a My objective is for medical card only. Are the quotes reasonable? Thanks. QUOTE(Argiope @ Jun 16 2024, 10:16 PM) Hi all, appreciate some advice please. Also, please make sure it is a pure UPGRADE (i.e. cancel old medical rider and add new medical rider). If instead the agent propose to cancel old policy and purchase new policy, you are at the losing end.I bought my P brand medical card (with ILP component) for more than 15 years now and here are the details: - Premium: RM250/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 80K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 70, room & board 200, annual limit 75K, lifetime limit 780K, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 10% min 300, max 1K - Accidental benefit: personal accident 100K I have been pretty ignorant and recently learnt that the benefits for my plan are very subpar as compared to the new plans in the market now so i asked my agent to quote for an upgrade, and these are what she proposed: Proposal A - Premium: RM500/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 80K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 100, room & board 200, annual limit 2M, lifetime limit n/a, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 500 - Accidental benefit: personal accident 100K Proposal B - Premium: RM350/month - Sum assured: either life, TPD or CI 10K - Hospital & surgical: coverage age till 100, room & board 200, annual limit 2M, lifetime limit n/a, hospital benefit 150, co-payment 500 - Accidental benefit: personal accident n/a My objective is for medical card only. Are the quotes reasonable? Thanks. |
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Jun 16 2024, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Jun 16 2024, 10:44 PM) I am 41 this year. Waiting period is applicable either way.Is it due to the waiting period or other reasons? Also not sure if this helps, but the agent told me that i have close to 30K in the ILP "pool" that keeps the premium "low" in her proposals. The reason is simply because if you buy a new policy, you will be subject to lower apportionment in the first ~10 years of the policy. You will lose roughly 2x your annual premium to pay expense and commissions. Better to stick with what you have and then make minor premium adjustments. Of course, your agent may not like this as they don't get rewarded as handsomely. You can also ask them to adjust down your life/tpd/ci coverage, or better yet, exclude ci coverage if your only focus is the medical card. Argiope liked this post
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Jun 18 2024, 05:52 PM
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Hi all, does anyone know what's some of the cheapest life insurance in Malaysia at the moment.
1. Pure protection (no cash values) 2. Can be either level-term or increasing-life 3. No CI or accidental death, just pure life. TPD is optional Thanks in advance! This post has been edited by contestchris: Jun 18 2024, 05:52 PM |
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Jun 18 2024, 05:54 PM
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For non-Muslims, is there any catch for buying a pure protection life insurance takaful plan? Or does it work the same as a conventional insurance?
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Jun 18 2024, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jun 18 2024, 10:14 PM) can scout online first to get a sense of the cost. i myself bought online but the premium will increase as i get older. The paragraph in bold, are you sure it's true? I thought nominee for a conventional life policy is pretty direct and clear cut, why will she receive as executor?in most normal cases, it works about the same. you buy a policy, you nominate someone to receive the money, if you die, your nominee gets the money now there is some slight difference once you look into the details. so if for example you bought a "life insurance" of 500k and you want to give this money to your sister if something happen to you. if you (non-muslim) buy a normal life insurance policy, you can nominate your sister. but your sister will only receive the money as executor. if you did not live a will behind, your sister has to distribute the money following distribution law because the money forms part of the estate. if i'm not mistaken, you need to state in your will to ensure your sister receive the money without being challenged by say, your parents. whereas had you nominated your parents, they would get the money (assuming no spouse and child in this example) if you bought a life plan under takaful, your sister will receive the money as the beneficiary (provided you indicated so when you did the nomination) and your sister will receive the money as beneficiary and cannot be challenge. and this does not matter whether you or your sister is muslim or non-muslim. PS: there are many details i choose not to explain because i think i should focus on what is practical. but i will just usually just buy whichever is cheaper, be it takaful or otherwise. the issue i highlighted above can be solved in a will for a non-muslim... |
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Jun 20 2024, 07:58 PM
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In the policy contract, it mentions that: "We must be notified of a death claim by the Claimant within thirty (30) days from the date of death."
What happens if it takes my beneficiary a longer time to submit a death claim (e.g. they could not recall the existence of the policy immediately following my passing)? This post has been edited by contestchris: Jun 20 2024, 08:10 PM |
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