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Hobbez
post Apr 14 2021, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(neome @ Apr 14 2021, 10:53 PM)
If u think putting him in a cage for the rest of his life is better than giving at least the slightest chance of him being adopted and have his own family that will love and take care of him by all means go ahead, it seemed to me like u have made up ur mind from the first time u posted even after so many counter arguments brought by the forumners here huhu
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I have asked around outside and it seems that many people do keep cats in cages.

But why when online, it surely looks like people want to put on a facade, and won't admit to doing this?

Hmmm.....wink.gif

But go and look at petshops and the cages they sell and then tell me what you think wink.gif
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post Apr 14 2021, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Apr 14 2021, 11:03 PM)
I have asked around outside and it seems that many people do keep cats in cages.

But why when online, it surely looks like people want to put on a facade, and won't admit to doing this?

Hmmm.....wink.gif

But go and look at petshops and the cages they sell and then tell me what you think wink.gif
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Haha ok i dont put any facade not sure about anybody else here, I dont think caging for certain period of time like at night or when the cat is sick etc is a prob, I do it to my cats too, but to cage them for 24hours for the reasons u gave like not liking the smell of cat poo in the house thats just unacceptable sweat.gif anyway good luck for whichever decision u make, do what u think is best for the cat and u dont have to seek any validation for it rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 14 2021, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(neome @ Apr 14 2021, 11:16 PM)
Haha ok i dont put any facade not sure about anybody else here, I dont think caging for certain period of time like at night or when the cat is sick etc is a prob, I do it to my cats too, but to cage them for 24hours for the reasons u gave like not liking the smell of cat poo in the house thats just unacceptable sweat.gif anyway good luck for whichever decision u make, do what u think is best for the cat and u dont have to seek any validation for it  rolleyes.gif
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I don't know, I guess I was hoping to hear of anyone's experience with keeping cats in cages, but it appears, at least on the internet, that such people do not exist. dry.gif

I did search such topics in Mr Google and also read ONLY the same preaching (don't keep cats in cages, etc, etc). I understand it, really I do, which is why I said....it's a difficult decision.

I don't pretend to be some cat expert, in fact I don't even keep any cats at all.

I just happen to like cats although the people who call the shots in my house do not, and I also help the cats in my neighborhood after being aware of how short their lives are out there (which is why we never get buried by cats), their mortality rate being so high.

But in the past.....I have seen with my own eyes, how some people actually do keep cats permanently in cages, and not only that, they cram them up in small cages or keep many in a chicken coop. Don't ask me to give details if you want to judge the guy who kept his cats (maybe 10 of them) inside a chicken coop. He lives near the jungle and if he were to let them roam free, they would all be gone faster than you can say meow.....

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IpohGuyz
post Apr 15 2021, 01:16 AM

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Ok. Background stories are clear. You can't keep that cat indoor because your family don't like. Not about the cat health prob cause it's never a problem to health roaming inside the house.

I also have communities cats which few houses fed. As mentioned now only 3/11 survived after 1.5 years. It breaks my heart everytime one of them dead or missing. My own consolation is, at least they lived their live with freedom. And won't lack of food during their lifetime living in my neighbourhood. I also have the urged to adopt them but my house full of cats. No more capacity.

Heck I can also buy a cage, caged them at the porch. But what's the meaning? I am sure it's not what the cats want.

Since the cat is injured and will injured easily again outside, best you can do is find the cat an adopter that can give the cat cage free life. Temporarily you can cage him while searching but for whole life? That's torturing.

Of course there are alot of ppl who cage them. But that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, at least in my opinion. I think you are in dilemma too, otherwise you won't be asking opinion. Finding adopter is best solution, it's just whether you want go the extra mile persistently. Lucky you know sending to shelter is gg
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post Apr 15 2021, 05:44 AM

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Personally, if the "owners" aren't willing to make sacrifices for the cat and take proper care of it, then the cat is better off elsewhere.
24/7 caging is not caring for the cat.

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post Apr 15 2021, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Apr 14 2021, 11:33 PM)
I don't know, I guess I was hoping to hear of anyone's experience with keeping cats in cages, but it appears, at least on the internet, that such people do not exist.  dry.gif

I did search such topics in Mr Google and also read ONLY the same preaching (don't keep cats in cages, etc, etc). I understand it, really I do, which is why I said....it's a difficult decision.

I don't pretend to be some cat expert, in fact I don't even keep any cats at all.

I just happen to like cats although the people who call the shots in my house do not, and I also help the cats in my neighborhood after being aware of how short their lives are out there (which is why we never get buried by cats), their mortality rate being so high.

But in the past.....I have seen with my own eyes, how some people actually do keep cats permanently in cages, and not only that, they cram them up in small cages or keep many in a chicken coop. Don't ask me to give details if you want to judge the guy who kept his cats (maybe 10 of them) inside a chicken coop. He lives near the jungle and if he were to let them roam free, they would all be gone faster than you can say meow.....
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I've read all your post, i understand ur situation.
I kinda lazy to post panjang lebar.. so

Just buy the biggest cage that you can afford to buy n can fit the largest space in the house.

I hv some rekemen on shopee, good price,
the litter box, to save $$$ dont buy the cat litter box, buy the plastic box tht looks like a litter box!! lol..

ok?no nid to ask 3 ask 4..
just do it.

take care of cat in cage is ez, u make sure cat is comfortable, means u nid to put soft matt etc , put toys etc etc, water all the time.
take cat out few times a day to jalan like a dog,
whenever u can afford the time..

u wana combine a few cage into one to save $$$ oso can

lagi apa mao cerita?
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post Apr 15 2021, 11:33 PM

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My cat is infected with kutu...
Saw tiny worms crawling on my sofa.

So now i comb as much as i can to get rid the kutu.
Question is, my cat sleep here and there in house. I'm trying my best to identify the spot using roller dust to stick the kutu. If my cat is clean already, will it easily get infected if i didn't clean properly the house?
To totally terminate the kutu in house is like impossible mission. Scare the kutu drop here and there.

If i use mosquito spray to spray the area, will the kutu die?

This post has been edited by Alert_RaZO: Apr 15 2021, 11:36 PM
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post Apr 16 2021, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Apr 15 2021, 11:33 PM)
My cat is infected with kutu...
Saw tiny worms crawling on my sofa.

So now i comb as much as i can to get rid the kutu.
Question is, my cat sleep here and there in house. I'm trying my best to identify the spot using roller dust to stick the kutu. If my cat is clean already, will it easily get infected if i didn't clean properly the house?
To totally terminate the kutu in house is like impossible mission. Scare the kutu drop here and there.

If i use mosquito spray to spray the area, will the kutu die?
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Yes, ur cat can get reinfected so u need to treat ur home as well if u think there 's flea infestation on the sofa/bedding, for small/focused areas like ur sofa u can use flea spray, if ur concern about bigger areas like the whole room u can use those room fogger available in shopee https://shopee.com.my/product/76013940/1319...23-1618529117.9 not sure how effective this is tho coz nvr had cat flea infestation at home before, all my cats I apply advocate antiflea/mites spot-on everymonth so they dont bring back fleas home coz one of my cats is an indoor/outdoor cat.
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post Apr 16 2021, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Apr 15 2021, 11:33 PM)
My cat is infected with kutu...
Saw tiny worms crawling on my sofa.

So now i comb as much as i can to get rid the kutu.
Question is, my cat sleep here and there in house. I'm trying my best to identify the spot using roller dust to stick the kutu. If my cat is clean already, will it easily get infected if i didn't clean properly the house?
To totally terminate the kutu in house is like impossible mission. Scare the kutu drop here and there.

If i use mosquito spray to spray the area, will the kutu die?
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Got 2 ways.
1. Spray with frontline once. Can last for weeks without reinfection, if your house plenty kutu. That spray rm80 can use multi times.
2. Put revelation. Can last 1 month per dose. Rm40 per dose.

Bring kutu cat to vet la. They will do either step for you. Then next time you know what to buy and can apply your own if you want jimat vet consultation
neome
post Apr 16 2021, 05:54 PM

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kutu cat biggrin.gif tht sounds so funny, yup i dont think u can get rid of the fleas fully by just combing him, pity tht fella must be so itchy, if so severe it can go to the bloodstream n ur cat can get jaundice n die, my indoor outdoor cat had once but brought to vet luckily survived, after tht i apply the spot on everymonth nvr miss, now no more kutu even tho he plays outside everday thumbup.gif
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post Apr 21 2021, 01:51 AM

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Hey guys,

What is your opinion about neutering your cat? I know many experts and people say to neuter is best, but it may also make your cat depressed. If you search up on this subject, it does seem like some cats do seem to get depressed....same like humans.

But cats have a strong urge to mate (especially most male cats), and I'm finding that the "community cat" I mentioned before earlier, is no longer keen to stay in the cage and really wants to get out....

He also doesn't want to stay at his usual home, and will wander off for days if allowed to escape. I'm afraid he may not want to return ever. As you know, we don't really own our cats....it's either they want to stay or not. laugh.gif

Once found, I notice he is marking new territory and sniffing the air......and being quite hostile with most other stranger cats. Getting into fights and trouble is exactly what we don't want!

So looks like cage life is not for him in the long run. I am considering to neuter him but I'm not sure if this is the best route.

But it seems like the only way. Otherwise, he is getting restless being in the cage now that he feels better after his long stint in the clinic.

According to the other "owners" that now care for him at their house, he was never like this and very homely. Now he seems intolerant of other cats (those people feed other cats too) and just seems like he wants to get away from them.

Any opinions? Will neutering him make him more homely, less restless, and more friendly with other cats. Mind you, he was quite alright with them BEFORE he went for his long stay at the clinic.

Now his former home is like a new environment to him (although he seems to recognize his former human care-givers).

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post Apr 21 2021, 10:21 AM

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It depends, reduce the hormone yes,
but cat will still mark and hv the urge to go out roam + fight etc, esp older cats.
I've taken care of a cat like that, neuter at ~ 5yo.
Let him roam will return with bite wounds, if unlucky it will get sporo, tht time you will hv a bigger decision, treat or ? ??
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post Apr 21 2021, 11:16 AM

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nice catio..
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post Apr 21 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Apr 21 2021, 11:16 AM)
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nice catio..
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Nice. Maybe I should reno like that as well. Then my cats can have a walk
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post Apr 21 2021, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Apr 21 2021, 01:51 AM)
Hey guys,

What is your opinion about neutering your cat? I know many experts and people say to neuter is best, but it may also make your cat depressed. If you search up on this subject, it does seem like some cats do seem to get depressed....same like humans.

But cats have a strong urge to mate (especially most male cats), and I'm finding that the "community cat" I mentioned before earlier, is no longer keen to stay in the cage and really wants to get out....

He also doesn't want to stay at his usual home, and will wander off for days if allowed to escape. I'm afraid he may not want to return ever. As you know, we don't really own our cats....it's either they want to stay or not.  laugh.gif

Once found, I notice he is marking new territory and sniffing the air......and being quite hostile with most other stranger cats. Getting into fights and trouble is exactly what we don't want!

So looks like cage life is not for him in the long run. I am considering to neuter him but I'm not sure if this is the best route.

But it seems like the only way. Otherwise, he is getting restless being in the cage now that he feels better after his long stint in the clinic.

According to the other "owners" that now care for him at their house, he was never like this and very homely. Now he seems intolerant of other cats (those people feed other cats too) and just seems like he wants to get away from them.

Any opinions? Will neutering him make him more homely, less restless, and more friendly with other cats. Mind you, he was quite alright with them BEFORE he went for his long stay at the clinic.

Now his former home is like a new environment to him (although he seems to recognize his former human care-givers).
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i have a stray cat that likes to fight too. also thinking to neuter him but i don't think it will help based on internet research. reduce his strength maybe.
i also have 2 home cats used to fight each other. after neutered, still fight but use less strength.

personally, i won't neuter outside cat. cat outside and short life already pity, still take away their precious. let them have fun la and natural run it's course. there's cats outside my house fighting too, but can't do anything. it's natural behavior.

i did neuter my home cats that are not allowed to roam outside though. at first i don't. but see him also pity, cause everytime the urge, he will claw window want to get out and mate. after neuter no more already. i guess that's the cost to pay for being homey cat. comfortable /safe life but lose precious.

also cats need to be fully vaccinated before surgery/neuter. otherwise will kena parvo or other kind of virus that can lead to death. and if best, cat need to be tested on fcov before vaccinated. if a fcov positive cat get vaccinated or neutered, there's chance to trigger mutation to fip and kill the cat. mutation is due to stress.

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post Apr 21 2021, 11:03 PM

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Yup my neutered cat always got bullied when he roams outside, so I dont think its a good idea coz it will 'soften' him, unless u want to neuter all other males in the area.
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post Apr 21 2021, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Apr 21 2021, 10:36 PM)

i did neuter my home cats that are not allowed to roam outside though. at first i don't. but see him also pity, cause everytime the urge, he will claw window want to get out and mate. after neuter no more already. i guess that's the cost to pay for being homey cat. comfortable /safe life but lose precious.
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That sounds bad. cry.gif

So it's neuter and then straight to the cage forever, or else do not neuter and then let him roam and potentially have a short life....

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post Apr 21 2021, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Hobbez @ Apr 21 2021, 11:20 PM)
That sounds bad.  cry.gif

So it's neuter and then straight to the cage forever, or else do not neuter and then let him roam and potentially have a short life....
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Yup. But mine is house. Not cage. You can also walk your cat like dogs but i lazy cause i have too many

If you want keep inside house, there's no rush to neuter until you see symptoms that force you to neuter him.

For cats roaming outside, why itchy neuter him la. Like neome say, will reduce aggressive and kena bully. Worse if encounter snake dunno got power or not.

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post Apr 22 2021, 01:34 AM

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Spay and neuter your animals please, including the "outside cats". Keeping intact animals indoors is going to cause you a lot of pain - female cats yowling and pissing everywhere, male cats constantly trying to escape and pissing everywhere too. As for outside cats, you are contributing to the already crazy populations of cats.

SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR ANIMALS. You also decrease fatal infections - female cats can get uterus infections and it can kill them.

Those of you talking about feeling sorry for your cat, you are projecting how you would feel if you got castrated onto the animal. Stop it. The animal doesn't know any better. The behavior change is expected because of the hormone change.

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post Apr 22 2021, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Apr 22 2021, 01:34 AM)
Spay and neuter your animals please, including the "outside cats". Keeping intact animals indoors is going to cause you a lot of pain - female cats yowling and pissing everywhere, male cats constantly trying to escape and pissing everywhere too. As for outside cats, you are contributing to the already crazy populations of cats.

SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR ANIMALS. You also decrease fatal infections - female cats can get uterus infections and it can kill them.

Those of you talking about feeling sorry for your cat, you are projecting how you would feel if you got castrated onto the animal. Stop it. The animal doesn't know any better. The behavior change is expected because of the hormone change.
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how do you so sure animal doesn't know. you are not animal.

and i don't buy the opinion of contributing to population of cats. textbook template answer in support neutering. it's like how about killing all humans that don't have food to eat cause they are are suffering and have too many population, might as well don't get born. or how about removing your testicle so that you can prevent prostate cancer? if this doesn't sound right for human, why it sounds right for animals?

anyway, everyone has their own opinion. no right/no wrong and even if there's right/wrong, it's hard to change people opinion.

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