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weissPC
post Nov 16 2020, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Nov 16 2020, 03:58 PM)
The dashcam was only bought after this incident in case she kena again.
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I stand corrected, but still have the phone records - anyway dunno if like this then her case not so strong d, because the call records won't show she wasn't touching the phone or using it for other purposes.

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post Nov 16 2020, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:59 PM)
Now, using phone while driving is no longer a compoundable offence, it's straight to court.

https://www.soyacincau.com/2020/08/10/pdrm-...dphone-driving/
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:03 PM

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post Nov 16 2020, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Kris777 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
How you prove the wimmin no tell lie?
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That's the point, numskull, where's the proof the police have that the woman has committed a crime?

This case highlights the fact that the police are issuing summons based on literally zero evidence, a direct contradiction of one of the most fundamental concepts of law: the burden of proof is on the accuser, aka presumption of innocence
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 03:58 PM)
Are you sure about the bolded part ?
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That is logic lar in every job facing customer type. You are more prepared to face a rough encounter than a silent problem.

If you fight the polis, the polis will try to cover his ass in case it become big issue.

If you senyap senyap gather evidence to fight in court, he also cant do much cause less time to prepare and mostly forgot ur face.
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 04:00 PM)
Nothing usually. The polis might not even go to court, and you win by default. Which happens more often than you think.

However, the polis has the last laugh. He just spend 5 mins issue saman. You spend lawyer fees and time off to go to court. Worse if the case drags on a few hearings. You end up paying 5k instead of rm300.

But if you want to make a statement, go ahead. The polis who issue you saman won't feel a thing.

Unless of course like this lady, she go make noise until reach newspaper, maybe the polis will gabrah a bit. But you need to have a passion to piss the polis off. Otherwise, next time just pay the rm300. Consider it your unlucky day.
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Thank you so much for your reply and from the looks of things I must say that the insurance agent is a very passionate person indeed. 😊
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:10 PM

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my sister also kena but she fight back. the police was abit shock and let her go lol
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Nov 16 2020, 04:01 PM)
Have you done the bold part before?
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i havne't kena saman before. cukur
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:14 PM

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Why so kepoh. If got evidence dashcam then fight in the court. If he not guilty them saman back police for 1 mil later .


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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 04:11 PM)
i havne't kena saman before. cukur
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I was wondering about your reply on taking the officer's picture, is that the reason to identify it is the correct officer in court ?

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post Nov 16 2020, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(tkwmm @ Nov 16 2020, 03:52 PM)
That why I always hoping gov spend some portable camera for every police that on duty. To protect police themself and citizen.
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Inb4 pay for this
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dapat ini
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(weissPC @ Nov 16 2020, 03:56 PM)
Read the news article - she has proof from phone company records and also dashcam that points inside the car to prove she was not using the phone - police got what? I don't think police have telephoto lens camera to take photo of her.
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Phone calls not necessarily need to be through sim cards nowadays and using phone doesn't necessarily means making phone calls.

The dash cam was bought after the incident.

QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:03 PM)
That's the point, numskull, where's the proof the police have that the woman has committed a crime?

This case highlights the fact that the police are issuing summons based on literally zero evidence, a direct contradiction of one of the most fundamental concepts of law: the burden of proof is on the accuser, aka presumption of innocence
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Yeah I was pointing at that too. Both side don't have direct evidence. But if during the trial, the police and his colleague testifies for the case, she will have any witnesses. Added on top, if they check her smartphone, they could easily find evidence pointing to that period where she sends messages on WhatsApp/Instagram/Facebook. If she did check it within 30 minutes to 1 hour time frame prior to she was stopped, does it count?

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post Nov 16 2020, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(SiewLee30 @ Nov 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
always got bodoh liddat , when house kena rompak go police. bodoh
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you have half inchi pisang and no balls. to prove otherwise, please show your pisang in /k
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(thelws @ Nov 16 2020, 03:42 PM)
Actually all saman must go to court by default.
But polis can issue compoundable saman. Means you can choose to pay, then no need go court.

But if you choose not to sign, means you want to dispute. Means just go to court. Next time if polis throw paper into your car, then you just take his picture, smile and say see you in court. Then drive off.
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This, and the Police did the exact thing as well by asking her to fight in court, right? hmm.gif
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Kris777 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:16 PM)

But if during the trial, the police and his colleague testifies for the case,

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ideally the courts should not accept this

this being Malaysia... fuck knows rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:21 PM

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we need another dashcam for this kind of things for dispute reasons, aim at roadblocks so can use as evidence
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:22 PM

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This is my new SOP from now onwards. Before I drive, the phone will be going to the back seat to avoid any chances of mistaken identity. 😂😂😂
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(stealthrider @ Nov 16 2020, 04:19 PM)
This, and the Police did the exact thing as well by asking her to fight in court, right? hmm.gif
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No liao, main phone while drive = non-compoundable, so die or not also need fight in court.

QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Nov 16 2020, 04:20 PM)
ideally the courts should not accept this

this being Malaysia... fuck knows rolleyes.gif
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Exactly. Banyak lubang can poke...so this kind of stuff, either you settle upfront or you don't.
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is this their latest KPI to maximize saman on certain group of ppl?
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post Nov 16 2020, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 16 2020, 04:22 PM)
This is my new SOP from now onwards. Before I drive, the phone will be going to the back seat to avoid any chances of mistaken identity. 😂😂😂
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But if polis insist they saw you using phone while driving, how are you going to prove otherwise?

If you ask them to prove, they just taichi to court and now you have to take time off work & maybe spend money to hire a lawyer to prove your innocence (when it should be the other way round).

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