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post Nov 8 2020, 10:15 PM

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No, you did not answer anything. What has needs based or race based policy got to do with whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?

And why do you think needs based tongkat means no MARA schools and scholarships to uni? You have comprehension issues or what?

And my wealth status is irrelevant to the discussion. Coz I do not qualify nor need any tongkat assistance. But I do know there are some ah chong or ah kau who are poor like beggars and they definitely need tongkat assistance. So how?
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post Nov 8 2020, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 10:15 PM)
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No, you did not answer anything. What has needs based or race based policy got to do with whether poor ikau meet akun or not, or jibeh meet gonolon or not, or hashim meet ahmad's daughter or not?

And why do you think needs based tongkat means no MARA schools and scholarships to uni? You have comprehension issues or what?

And my wealth status is irrelevant to the discussion. Coz I do not qualify nor need any tongkat assistance. But I do know there are some ah chong or ah kau who are poor like beggars and they definitely need tongkat assistance. So how?
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i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.

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post Nov 8 2020, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 10:36 PM)
i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.
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Wow, never realized we have a hardcore racist here. Needs based tongkat for every poor is not enough for you. It must be race based tongkat for everyone within the community irrespective poor or rich. Racial discrimination at its worst. You never think the rich don't need assistance and still can go and help the poor don't you?

How the fuck do you even call yourself a human? Please don't reply this thread anymore. Any further comments from you will be deleted. You disgust me.

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:09 PM

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^Losing argument and threatening to deleting comments. Pathetic dog. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 8 2020, 11:09 PM)
^Losing argument and threatening to deleting comments. Pathetic dog. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:21 PM

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This thread is amusing.

Actually, the POLICY is not as important as in the INTENT and INTEGRITY of the people EXECUTING THE POLICY.

Even if the POLICY only helps BUMI and exclude all NONS, that's fine if, say 80% of this assistance is being given to the poor and needy BUMIs.

Unfortunately, if only 20% is given to the needy BUMIs... then for the next 100-200 years also, this assistance will never be enough. Because the bulk of the assistance is given the people of the right color that don't need it. Of course, some will argue that these people will form the pillar of the community and the wealth will trickle down. That's fine if it happens, but I think most of the times, the corrupt and wealthy will just grab the excess for themselves.





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post Nov 8 2020, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 8 2020, 11:09 PM)
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Fark man! I guessed you will appear and say something similar, AND I WAS RIGHT!!! Cheap macai whores who sells their dignity like you are so easy to predict rclxm9.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:23 PM

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You threatening to delete comments, you lose. biggrin.gif tongue.gif rclxms.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(agewisdom @ Nov 8 2020, 11:21 PM)
This thread is amusing.

Actually, the POLICY is not as important as in the INTENT and INTEGRITY of the people EXECUTING THE POLICY.

Even if the POLICY only helps BUMI and exclude all NONS, that's fine if, say 80% of this assistance is being given to the poor and needy BUMIs.

Unfortunately, if only 20% is given to the needy BUMIs... then for the next 100-200 years also, this assistance will never be enough. Because the bulk of the assistance is given the people of the right color that don't need it. Of course, some will argue that these people will form the pillar of the community and the wealth will trickle down. That's fine if it happens, but I think most of the times, the corrupt and wealthy will just grab the excess for themselves.
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unfortunately as you can see here, there are those who (either seriously naive or just part of those who stands to lose most if race based agenda is changed to needs based agenda) thinks there are no wealthy corrupts and all T20 are most helpful and ever willing to uplift their own community rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(seriosekitt3h @ Nov 8 2020, 10:36 PM)
i believe that you having a hard time understanding English

Sekarang aku cuba cakap bahasa Melayu sebab kita semua boleh faham kan? Sebab apa bantuan kepada bumiputera perlu digunakan dalam satu kaum? kaum kat negara ni semua nya tinggal dalam kelompok masing masing. Masing masing ada struktur dan hierarki dalam masyarakat masing masing. Semua ada ketua masayarakat dan orang orang yang berpengaruh dalam memberi pendapat atau bantuan dalam apa saja bentuk. Sebab itu kalau Si Miskin Akun hanya ditolong oleh kerajaan, dia tidak mungkin mampu melangkah jauh disebabkan dia tiada bantuan dari dalam masayarakat dia sendiri. Sebab semua orang dalam masyarakat beliau adalah miskin. Kalau diberi bantuan kepada seluruh masyarakat yang miskin dan berada, ada kemungkianan yang berada akan membantu masyarakat dalam komuniti Si Miskin Akun dan secara langsung membantu menaikkan status keseluruhan masyarakat. Orang berada seperti Orang Kaya Ikau selalunya mempunyai kemampuan untuk mengambil pekerja untuk membayar gaji mereka. Kun faya kun, Walhal Orang Miskin Akun tidak mempunyai kemampuan ataupun kemahiran yang dimiliki oleh Orang Kaya Ikau. Golongan Fakir tidak mampu mengubah status masyarakatnya jika semua orang di dalam nya papa kedana. Hanya dengan memberi bantuan kepada semua golongan dalam satu masyarakat, mereka mampu membantu sama sendiri dalam mengubah status diri mereka. Dalam ertikata lain, dengan hanya membantu golongan miskin sahaja tidak akan dapat mengubah status dalam satu masyarakat. Golongan berada perlu dalam memberi kerjasama yang diperlukan dan ini tidak bermakna kaum berada tidak memerlukan bantuan.
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you're assuming ideal scenario
but most humans are greedy, wealth is never enough
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 8 2020, 11:23 PM)
You threatening to delete comments, you lose. biggrin.gif tongue.gif  rclxms.gif

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You know what, even if I delete all comments in this thread, I still wont delete yours, they're most entertaining. Please continue replying and bumping my thread rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 8 2020, 11:27 PM)
unfortunately as you can see here, there are those who (either seriously naive or just part of those who stands to lose most if race based agenda is changed to needs based agenda) thinks there are no wealthy corrupts and all T20 are most helpful and ever willing to uplift their own community
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Whilst I agree with you, probably this is a cultural issue. You won't win with logic or arguments. It's the same as arguing as someone on religion. In the end, the last bastion will be FAITH.

They have FAITH in their leaders, you can't argue with that.

Honestly speaking though, somehow it's our bad karma we had Atuk as our leader. I think almost ANYONE else would have done less damage to our Country than him. And to have him come back a second time, we're doubly cursed. puke.gif
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:34 PM

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Lolz, chemmol dog bark/tokok oni. Never bite biggrin.gif

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post Nov 8 2020, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM)
Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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Mamaktir said no.
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(crador @ Nov 8 2020, 11:37 PM)
Mamaktir said no.
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That time DAP + PKR + Amanah cannot kick Madei out in parliament? Why no vote no confident that time? hmm.gif
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:45 PM

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Lolz, chemmol dog bark/tokok oni. Never bite biggrin.gif

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why would I need to bite when its so much more fun to press the right buttons and see cheap macai whores who sells their dignity like you goes apeshit? icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 8 2020, 11:42 PM)
That time DAP + PKR + Amanah cannot kick Madei out in parliament? Why no vote no confident that time? hmm.gif
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dude, you got alzheimer or wat? why so bengap have to keep reminding wan?

QUOTE(bigwolf @ Nov 7 2020, 03:11 PM)
PH didn't change it, so? Who is in power now? Why PN cannot change now, only last time PH can? So you can continue abusing it and blame "why PH dun change it when they were in power"?

You sohai enuff la, dun think other oso sohai like you can or not?
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post Nov 8 2020, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 7 2020, 03:06 PM)
Really kaa? Why didn't PH change it when THEY WERE IN POWER?  biggrin.gif  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif
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you're asking just for the sake of asking?
you know the answer la, it's political suicide to change it
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post Nov 9 2020, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Killy @ Nov 8 2020, 11:50 PM)
you're asking just for the sake of asking?
you know the answer la, it's political suicide to change it
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Huh how so? That time pipu really hate Umno because of 1mdb/Bijan right? hmm.gif
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post Nov 9 2020, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(mac60931 @ Nov 9 2020, 12:00 AM)
Huh how so? That time pipu really hate Umno because of 1mdb/Bijan right?  hmm.gif
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same answer, you're asking just for the sake of it lol
stop pretending you don't know ler

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