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post Dec 31 2020, 08:02 AM

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post Dec 31 2020, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Dec 30 2020, 09:45 PM)
VDB and pogba is playing the same position, style. Both are maestro's. You don't need 2 conductors in the team.

VDB deserves more to play than pogba as it is obvious pogba wants to leave.

VDB also looses less of the ball which results in opponents chances or goals.

Creativity, pogba creates more, but we already have bruno. Bruno + VDB + Fred would be a good fit in theory.
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Vdb keeps things simple. Take and pass and run. Pogba on the other hand, receive and try to take on 2 3 players and loss ball
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post Dec 31 2020, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Dec 31 2020, 08:02 AM)
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post Dec 31 2020, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Dec 30 2020, 09:45 PM)
VDB and pogba is playing the same position, style. Both are maestro's. You don't need 2 conductors in the team.

VDB deserves more to play than pogba as it is obvious pogba wants to leave.

VDB also looses less of the ball which results in opponents chances or goals.

Creativity, pogba creates more, but we already have bruno. Bruno + VDB + Fred would be a good fit in theory.
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VDB need to prove to ole, he can do the long pass like pogba too .. with bruno+pogba, the opponents feel the threat as both players can provide that long killer passes from the deep.. without pogba, the threat decreases as they can just man-marked bruno ... VDB must learn this, and improvise his own style in training.. if he can do that, he definitely will be an auto starter because mctomato cant do shit



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post Dec 31 2020, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Dec 31 2020, 08:05 AM)
Vdb keeps things simple. Take and pass and run. Pogba on the other hand, receive and try to take on 2 3 players and loss ball
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Yes, we have similar classifications for VDB. He is not a midfield conductor.
His main strength is efficiency and keeps the midfield ticking without fuss. That also means he doesn't do the more fancy stuff that catches attention.

I remember that game where he played with Fred in front of Matic, and the midfield just kept ticking. Our defence to attack connectors were all firing.
But that is to be expected as he is a product of Ajax. Which other club plays a similar way? Barca, with their Dutch influence. You drop him into a pass-possession team and he will fit right in. We should not be so quick to judge VDB based on the highlight reel of dribbling and 70 yard passes.

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post Dec 31 2020, 09:32 AM

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The title race.

Starting the season, we never were really aiming for a title this season. We haven't even sorted out our team. If we were to put the current League table out against our initial expectations at the start, I think we would be saying Ole has been doing very well.

And I do think he has made some progress. Let's do what United fans do and back the manager at least until the end of the season. I will probably only think about a proper title race if Woodward patches up the gaps in the team at RW and maybe an extra defender in Jan.

Right now it's too risky. We are only 1 Bruno Fernandes injury away from disaster. And he is playing every game.

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post Dec 31 2020, 09:32 AM

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VDB is like Kagawa, always trying to keep it like simple, safe passes. He'll shine in more passing team like Arsenal.

Or when we have better DM, like Matic on his peak days. Play with 2 AM, with DM do all dirty works behind.

Ole love to play with Fred and Mactominay against better teams. The are okay but 1 world class DM definitely can do defensive works as good as them, and freeing Pogba /VDB to partner Fernandes as 2 AM.
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Dec 31 2020, 08:02 AM)
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Dec 31 2020, 09:01 AM)
VDB need to prove to ole, he can do the long pass like pogba too .. with bruno+pogba, the opponents feel the threat as both players can provide that long killer passes from the deep.. without pogba, the threat decreases as they can just man-marked bruno ... VDB must learn this, and improvise his own style in training.. if he can do that, he definitely will be an auto starter because mctomato cant do shit
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Long killer pass from deep? You mean hoof it up and hope for the best?

He can switch plays, long and short. Ball control, vision I would say on par with pogba. He is just not a flashy player but an efficient one.

No matter how good pogba is, he wants to leave. Pogba is not bigger than the club.
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post Dec 31 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Dec 31 2020, 09:35 AM)
Long killer pass from deep? You mean hoof it up and hope for the best?

He can switch plays, long and short. Ball control, vision I would say on par with pogba. He is just not a flashy player but an efficient one.

No matter how good pogba is, he wants to leave. Pogba is not bigger than the club.
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People seem to think VDB is the same type of player as Pogba, or even Fernandes. Which baffles me.

My opinion is that if VDB had signed for Barca instead and started games this season, we would be rating him at 80 - 100M easy. And we would be saying if only we had signed him because he looks head and shoulders above Pogba. Sometimes, grass needs to be on the other side of the fence for us to get a better view.
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I could not believe we are second and got one game in hand and 3 points below liverpool on top of the throne 🥴
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post Dec 31 2020, 10:04 AM

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suddenly ole dont to stop playing when league wanna lockdown 2 weeks... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

can share the top of league...this gonna be an interesting season... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Broadings @ Dec 31 2020, 08:18 AM)
Haha such a fresh morning.
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If only spurs and city played... then we know whether all big 6 draw again
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post Dec 31 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Dec 31 2020, 10:26 AM)
If only spurs and city played... then we know whether all big 6 draw again
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Honestly, I dont really care much about city and spurs.
I just dislike pool and their fans
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post Dec 31 2020, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Broadings @ Dec 31 2020, 10:46 AM)
Honestly, I dont really care much about city and spurs.
I just dislike pool and their fans
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The long standing Pool fans are quite ok.
It's the 'new' Pool fans of the last 1 - 2 years that's the most annoying.
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post Dec 31 2020, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 31 2020, 10:59 AM)
The long standing Pool fans are quite ok.
It's the 'new' Pool fans of the last 1 - 2 years that's the most annoying.
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Nope, victimpool has always been the same. Mostly since the mid 80s till now. The just couldn't make any noise during the 90s and 00s.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 31 2020, 09:22 AM)
Yes, we have similar classifications for VDB. He is not a midfield conductor.
His main strength is efficiency and keeps the midfield ticking without fuss. That also means he doesn't do the more fancy stuff that catches attention.

I remember that game where he played with Fred in front of Matic, and the midfield just kept ticking. Our defence to attack connectors were all firing.
But that is to be expected as he is a product of Ajax. Which other club plays a similar way? Barca, with their Dutch influence. You drop him into a pass-possession team and he will fit right in. We should not be so quick to judge VDB based on the highlight reel of dribbling and 70 yard passes.
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Similar jobs done by herrera last time. Nth flashy just pass and move the ball fast and forward. Hope to see more of him soon. And someone pls take pogba away since he dying to leave
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post Dec 31 2020, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Dec 31 2020, 09:35 AM)
Long killer pass from deep? You mean hoof it up and hope for the best?

He can switch plays, long and short. Ball control, vision I would say on par with pogba. He is just not a flashy player but an efficient one.

No matter how good pogba is, he wants to leave. Pogba is not bigger than the club.
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"..hoof it up and hope for the best?" what?

from the deep, when opponents play low block, no point running like headless chicken .. forwards hv to start running into space , this is where u need to give that long ball forward .. players with vision like bruno can anticipate their runs and spray that ball into that spaces ... if pogba see that space, he can spray that long ball too .. similar to scholes .. but when vdb see that space, he choose to play it short .. when his team mates start to run, he pass short .. everytime .. if u play like this for 90 minutes, u got nothing ..take away bruno and pogba, just let vdb play alone... he will become shit ..he only do quick short pass ..quick link-up and run ..pass and run ..pass and run .. for 90 minutes even with low block, not brave enough to break the line .. this is where he is lacking .. not "hoof it up and hope for the best"

if he didnt improve his game play, then he deserved to be bench ..and hv to wait for bruno/pogba/mctomato/"pogba replacement" to be injured

why not play them together?
yes, this is OK.
bruno+vdb+godlike CDM

without godlike CDM, that slow CB will be exposed a lot ..imagine being trailing 1 or 2 goals, no pogba , bruno got man-marked, opponents play low block, all park the bus, forward start to run at spaces upfront, ..vdb will just play side passing like mctomato ..run and pass ..run and pass.. around the circle ..slow

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post Dec 31 2020, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Broadings @ Dec 31 2020, 08:18 AM)
Haha such a fresh morning.
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If only the boys didn't let in that last minute equaliser


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QUOTE(mfared77 @ Dec 31 2020, 10:04 AM)
suddenly ole dont to stop playing when league wanna lockdown 2 weeks... laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

can share the top of league...this gonna be an interesting season... tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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How to stop when Euro is going to held on 2021 summer? those top EPL club has to play Carabao Cup, FA Cup, Champions League and Europa League. The fixtures is way too cramp just to shut down.

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