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post Oct 29 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Michael_Light @ Oct 29 2020, 01:59 AM)
My biggest regret in lifd is get scammed by insrance. I bought it when i am agr 23. Scammer product
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That is a very misleading general statement. There are so many different insurance products for different scenarios.

I know of a professional who die in his early mid 30s. Luckily he have life insurance and the insurance money paid off his house mortgage so his family have a roof over their head.

I also know of a friend whose warehouse got burnt down. Insurance paid 70%. Better than nothing.


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post Oct 29 2020, 02:32 PM

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My opinion..

some insurance provider really 'unethical' .. to gain market share they price their product lower than competitor.. did some heavy marketing showing they can provide same coverage with lower premium..

People who looking for coverage will get enticed and sign up in drove.. But once the quota filled up they wait for 2-3 years down the road then suddenly they said oh shit.. looks like medical cost increase laa the fund cannot sustain.. cannot do anything about it other insurance also increase bla.. bla.. either u pay more or coverage lapse..

People who are in the 3rd years for example will hesitate to terminate cause already paid a lot and some may already claim and afraid new insurance will not cover previous claimed illness so they just accept the increment.

This post has been edited by gogocan: Oct 29 2020, 02:33 PM
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post Oct 29 2020, 02:33 PM

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To increase premium in this critical time show the insurance companies never sensitive and care for their insurer. All the want are their own coffer and their agents.
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post Oct 29 2020, 02:34 PM

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Insurance is important but gets a very bad reputation by "scammer" insurance agent/ planner that says ILP/ Investment Linked Plan premiums are fixed.


QUOTE(kashvinvj @ Oct 29 2020, 09:16 AM)
Do you purchased standalone medical card? Its best to purchase ILP plan medical cards where your premium will be fixed until contracted period.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 29 2020, 10:35 AM)
Dont buy lo if u think scamm. Any hospital bill u pay urself lah.

This is what we call penny wise pound foolish.

Wanna jimat 200/month which is 2400 a year . In 10 years its only 24,000

Sekali kena hospital bill , 50k-100k easily.

Cannot understand Malaysian mentality. But when got new rtx , new iphone, new samseng, they dont blink an eye and immediately buy.

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post Oct 29 2020, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Oct 29 2020, 03:32 PM)
My opinion..

some insurance provider really 'unethical' .. to gain market share they price their product lower than competitor.. did some heavy marketing showing they can provide same coverage with lower premium..

People who looking for coverage will get enticed and sign up in drove.. But once the quota filled up they wait for 2-3 years down the road then suddenly they said oh shit.. looks like medical cost increase laa the fund cannot sustain.. cannot do anything about it other insurance also increase bla.. bla.. either u pay more or coverage lapse..

People who are in the  3rd years for example will hesitate to terminate cause already paid a lot and some may already claim and afraid new insurance will not cover previous claimed illness so they just accept the increment.
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This is indeed very true and spot on.

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post Oct 29 2020, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(teamjoker @ Oct 29 2020, 10:24 AM)
Boss, ala product liability insurance?
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Yes ada, this one need special order.. brochure tarak. premium depend on company sales turnover / revenue
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post Oct 29 2020, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Oct 29 2020, 12:50 PM)
My agent told me if I accepted the RM50 increase, there no problem also as the after deducting the cost for medical premium, whatever remains will be park into the Investment Link rider. The fund that is generated in the IL rider can later be use to offset the medical cost premium in the future.
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Please research or even google how often the IL component failed miserably to keep up with the cost of insurance/ medical premium. Agents try very hard to sell and mislead on ILP because much higher commission. Conveniently do not advice on standalone medical cards.

BNM had to intervene and mandatory change the rubbish forecast that insurers give on ILP performance.

At least make full disclosure and let the customer decide especially the poor and vulnerable ... instead 'scammer' agent try to hard sell ILPs to for fatter commission even when standalone may be better for the customer.
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post Oct 29 2020, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Oct 29 2020, 02:32 PM)
My opinion..

some insurance provider really 'unethical' .. to gain market share they price their product lower than competitor.. did some heavy marketing showing they can provide same coverage with lower premium..

People who looking for coverage will get enticed and sign up in drove.. But once the quota filled up they wait for 2-3 years down the road then suddenly they said oh shit.. looks like medical cost increase laa the fund cannot sustain.. cannot do anything about it other insurance also increase bla.. bla.. either u pay more or coverage lapse..

People who are in the  3rd years for example will hesitate to terminate cause already paid a lot and some may already claim and afraid new insurance will not cover previous claimed illness so they just accept the increment.
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This is so true. Myself in insurance business, seeing this happening for past 15 years seeing this price cutting in first year then 3rd year increase premiums.. first 3 years premium paid fat commissions to agents. Customer always at a losing end. Thats why i've been proposing to life insurance companies to follow standard 10% commission per year.
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post Oct 29 2020, 02:47 PM

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post Oct 29 2020, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(hahakat88 @ Oct 29 2020, 12:06 PM)
I used to think this way,  but this is another alternative thinking, at 30 years old ----->

a 150medical + 150 investment = total RM300 per month

don't count the first 150 because it's supposed to be "utilized"

"invest" at 10% compounding annually over 35 years, u get 518K

at 120th months (40 years old, 10 years later) your own investment portfolio value is RM30kish

if you get sick or get into motor accident, stay private 1 week, use 15k? half of your investment gone. worse, if major operation.

sure, there are public hospital and sometimes they are better in terms of equipment, but can you wait the queue? if motor tumbang, now covid time go in, feeling worry? family members come to take care or visit still need to rampas parking. Penang GH situation.

remember, at 10th years, u paid a total 300 X 120 = 36k premium, half of it is in your investment. and you already get to utilize rm500k minimum medical or even more if u are young, I don't know

outside agent will use second year kena accident to scare you.. but I think my example is moderate..

at 150 per month, "invest in yourself" in out in out bursa how many supermx only can cover 1 time sick ? insurance is not to earn money leh.. the Investment link policy here is also not for earning, is to cover shortfall or times when policy increase price like TS mentioned.

just my opinion. tq bro
edit : my 518k is derived from financial calculator app or online webpage, you may find it to calculate..
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Don't increase investment portion at all.

Medical inflation is about 7-15% per annum
Whatever investment can't guarantee you more figure forever. Let alone interest rate is going lower and lower thus safe investment like bond yields is getting lower.
Even the best UT performance probably 5% for a few years then will go negative region. Balance out 10year performance probably around 20-30%.

There's no such thing as 10% compounded because you'll be hit with economic downturn like now, wiping off more than half of the gains

You cannot make more money via investment as compared to medical inflation
These plans are meant for insurance companies to earn more commissions for the investments you've done.

Again I emphasize this. Investment go invest yourself.

This post has been edited by AllnGap: Oct 29 2020, 03:05 PM
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post Oct 29 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Oct 29 2020, 02:34 PM)
Insurance is important but gets a very bad reputation by "scammer" insurance agent/ planner that says ILP/ Investment Linked Plan premiums are fixed.
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lesson from what i learn throughout the years is only buy what u need and don't fall for those ILP BS
they sell u ILP purely because they earn more commission only

the only 2 type of insurance that i feel can get is medical card and life insurance only..the others are just no
especially don't use insurance for savings purposes
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post Oct 29 2020, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(ahwai @ Oct 29 2020, 02:47 PM)
This is so true. Myself in insurance business, seeing this happening for past 15 years seeing this price cutting in first year then 3rd year increase premiums.. first 3 years premium paid fat commissions to agents. Customer always at a losing end. Thats why i've been proposing to life insurance companies to follow standard 10% commission per year.
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This is based on my experience with takaful Z.. early subscription stand alone medical card for my kids really cheap cost RM 40+ monthly compare to takaful 'A' with more or less same coverage.


Agent highlighted that premium does increase based on age band but didn't mention anything about 'sudden' increase.. and behold less than 3 years later they informed the premium will increase from RM 40+ to RM 100+..they give me option either continue with stand alone and pay 140% increment or convert to ILP with even higher premium (but with cash value).

I opt for termination and change to new provider.

This post has been edited by gogocan: Oct 29 2020, 03:19 PM
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post Oct 29 2020, 03:26 PM

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If investment link increase premium, it means that the investment fund you choose is losing money and they need more money to recoup the lost.


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post Oct 29 2020, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Oct 29 2020, 03:04 PM)
Don't increase investment portion at all.

Medical inflation is about 7-15% per annum
Whatever investment can't guarantee you more figure forever. Let alone interest rate is going lower and lower thus safe investment like bond yields is getting lower.
Even the best UT performance probably 5% for a few years then will go negative region. Balance out 10year performance probably around 20-30%.

There's no such thing as 10% compounded because you'll be hit with economic downturn like now, wiping off more than half of the gains

You cannot make more money via investment as compared to medical inflation
These plans are meant for insurance companies to earn more commissions for the investments you've done.

Again I emphasize this. Investment go invest yourself.
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again I emphasize the 'investment' portion is to pay the medical part in case where insured can't afford the medical inflation.

It is not to earn money for capital gains, however those agents are selling it like it can make money.


the above 10% compounding sample was calculated for quoted user to show him an ideal situation when he asked if he did his own investment, and I think you agree that 10% compounding is pretty good too.

you may opt to go for 0% investment insurance then stick with the regular plan.. perhaps certain sophisticated Investors can make more from crypto, Forex or share market

This post has been edited by hahakat88: Oct 29 2020, 04:27 PM
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post Oct 29 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Oct 29 2020, 08:49 AM)
Hi all sifus,

Anyone experienced their medical card premium increased?

Am using Great Eastern, today I received an email that my premium will be increased.

However, I have 2 options: either to Accept or Reject the increment.

My question is, if I choose to reject the increment, will it affect my coverage in the future?

Thanks!

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Hi TS, may I know when did you sign up for the GE medical card?
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post Oct 29 2020, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Oct 29 2020, 02:21 PM)
Prudential is also increasing their premiums. Can anyone from other insurance companies state here whether they got an increase of premiums.

It looks like there are elements of price fixing involved due to the timing. I'm putting in a report to the MYCC (The anti-cartel commission of Malaysia) if I can get more cases or proof from other insurance holders.

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all kinds of insurance in malaysia is govern by bnm
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post Oct 29 2020, 05:04 PM

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Just buy Online Insurance.

You can check out ETIQA E-MEDICAL PASS.

Other than that, Manulife Now and AXA Insurance also selling online medical insurance.

BEFORE YOU BUY THE INSURANCE, PLEASE READ THE T&C PROPERLY. Or if you unsure, ask their customer service officer.

This post has been edited by The Residences: Oct 29 2020, 05:04 PM
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post Oct 29 2020, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Oct 29 2020, 02:33 PM)
To increase premium in this critical time show the insurance companies never sensitive and care for their insurer. All the want are their own coffer and their agents.
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Hawkers also didn't decrease their food prices in this difficult time. U also no complaint ! Private hospitals also didn't lower their charges in this critical time what ....did u go make complaints?
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post Oct 29 2020, 05:47 PM

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why so panic????

if u are investment linked policy, come on, look outside economy is real bad, of course the premium as of now surely not enough to cover you till certain age therefore they asked u to top up. of course u may ignore that. i ignored that too, let it further run few years then only revise and check again, maybe down the road after few years economy will be better.

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Oct 29 2020, 04:51 PM)
Hi TS, may I know when did you sign up for the GE medical card?
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I bought 2017

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