What about putting a kingsiton lock when u leave the notebook in car? But this might piss off the thief, end up cermin pecah
TV3 News: Laptop Detector Exist and widely avai.
TV3 News: Laptop Detector Exist and widely avai.
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Aug 12 2007, 01:39 AM
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What about putting a kingsiton lock when u leave the notebook in car? But this might piss off the thief, end up cermin pecah
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Aug 12 2007, 02:25 AM
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The conclusion is, its toooo HiTech for this kind of device to exist. The detecting method sounds impossible. Able to differentiate between different types of electronics gadget is simply too hard for for me to belive (maybe cuz i ex engine student also?)
I do believe if there exist devices that can detect certain metal in batteries. And picking up the signal frm your CMOS is too much for this kind of device. but lucky for me i still stuck with my desktop, so no need for them to use any detector bah. Use your eyes is more than enuf. |
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Aug 12 2007, 02:38 AM
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similiar case..
Alert over hi-tech thieves who scan cars for laptops QUOTE "If they do not switch them off completely, and leave them on standby, there is a good chance they will be stolen." He added: "This type of thing has been around for the last six months but it's getting worse. I must stress that anyone with a laptop does not leave it in their car and that if they do they must make sure it's switched off particularly if it's a 'blue-tooth' device'. "The technolgy now exists which allows criminals to identify out-of-view laptops and mobile phones in vehicles and selectively break in to steal them." http://www.southmanchesterreporter.co.uk/n...or_laptops.html This post has been edited by aMer: Aug 12 2007, 02:38 AM |
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Aug 12 2007, 10:52 AM
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lol. 'Blue-tooth' device. Radio wave emission.
Well, I believe this man is correct IF that person's laptop is left in Sleep Mode and the BT module is left on. BUT then again, why leave your laptop in sleep mode and leave in the trunk? That's just asking for trouble. |
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Aug 12 2007, 12:43 PM
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Aug 12 2007, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(lj0000 @ Aug 9 2007, 11:35 PM) i still dun believe this. as an electronic engineer, i know that it is possible to 'scan' the frequencies. last time college time we did have such a scanner. it costs 50k! the scanner is a spectrum analyser, and is used to 'see' what wave is emitting surrounding us. I agree with most of the point, but car boot will not provide sufficient RF shielding. An opening of just a few cm is enought for RF leakage. The signal can propagate through back seat, windscreen, speaker area, etc and get detected by a receiver.anyhow, it wont be able to detect any signal if the laptop is not switched on to emit 2.4ghz. sommore most laptops have hardware switch to turn off power to the wireless card. the tv3 news page looks written in childish language so i would doubt its authenticity. http://www.tv3.com.my/content-news.asp?id=12228 furthermore, if the laptop really emit a wave, the car boot metal shud be able to shield it. the statement that it is able to detect lead is even more..... - laptop batery is NOT made of lead. they think the laptop battery is car battery meh.. car battery is created with lead-acid. bluetooth, wifi, microwave oven and several more electronic devices all exist in the 2.4ghz domain. and its impossible to distinguish between them using a simple device as rm50 Alat pengesan yang dijual bukan sekadar mampu mengesan sebuah komputer tetapi dengan frekuensi 50 megaherz hingga 6 gigaherz ia mampu membuka kata laluan. - this is true.. as it scans the frequency, it will open most of the car alarm and open the door. but its not targeted, and shud trigger the whole parking lot's car and making the siren sound. - NO it does not decrypt ur password. Pengguna telefon bimbit dengan kemudahan bluetooth pula perlu berwaspada kerana alat yang digunakan itu membolehkan penggunanya mencuri dengar perbualan. - ho ho ho.. Saya nasihatkan tindan barang tu dengan satu keping tudung periuk ke taruk dalam periuk ke. Itu standard dengan itu maka gelombang itu akan pecah boleh read tapi tak tau ape jenis barang. - sounds like april fool... or the fellas father is making periuk as business. - or its just a social research project to see how widely this hting spread. - if this can work... all the fighter jet/kapal selam will look like periuk liao... the 'scanners' are actually inductive loop sensors, and is widely used in the industry to 'detect' metal embedded in plastic/wall etc. you can buy one at ace hardware stores. thus it can detect nails, wires, anything that got metal content. now the truth is.... the modus operandi works on sharp eyes. they have people scanning the parking with their eyes.. looking for victims who open their car boot and put something in, then leave for the shopping mall. there must be something valuable there! so.. my advice, 1. before u reach the destination, put the laptop under ur seat, better is the back seat, and push the seat backwards to cover. maybe cover up using some plush toys 2. never use a laptop bag. use a normal bag with internal cushion. using a laptop bag is telling the world u have soemthing valuable.. come rob me. 3. if u have to put ur laptop in the locker, put it in the bag before going into the gym locker. then no one can guess whats inside. use ur own lock! finally.. even pikom's also did made an announcement about this, and tell the world it is not true.... |
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Aug 12 2007, 07:21 PM
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After all this discussion did someone really go and buy such thing for a test?
My opinion is buy a giant metal toolbox and lock ur laptop in it when u leave ur car! Just like lorry dirver which lock their valuable tools in their tools box. Even the thief sense ur laptop in it they will still need to carry a Giant Plyer to cut it open! And those plyer will be around 70cm-100cm tall very noticeble if carry around! |
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Aug 12 2007, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(300078 @ Aug 12 2007, 07:21 PM) After all this discussion did someone really go and buy such thing for a test? well either way, ur laptop will still be stolen lolMy opinion is buy a giant metal toolbox and lock ur laptop in it when u leave ur car! Just like lorry dirver which lock their valuable tools in their tools box. Even the thief sense ur laptop in it they will still need to carry a Giant Plyer to cut it open! And those plyer will be around 70cm-100cm tall very noticeble if carry around! best is not to leave the laptop in the car la... |
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Aug 12 2007, 10:14 PM
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Aug 13 2007, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE(dannytzh @ Aug 12 2007, 10:52 AM) lol. 'Blue-tooth' device. Radio wave emission. I think its not for the laptop, PDAs and handphone also they are looking for. God knows how many times I left my PDAphone in the car with the BT on.Well, I believe this man is correct IF that person's laptop is left in Sleep Mode and the BT module is left on. BUT then again, why leave your laptop in sleep mode and leave in the trunk? That's just asking for trouble. |
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Aug 13 2007, 12:01 PM
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With all due respect, I think the entire thing is simply bulls**t. When a laptop is off, it is off. Have u ever seen ur microwave turn itself on and heat the air inside by itself?
Metal detector? Your car itself is a huge pile of metal and of different kinds inside and outside, the detector would be ringing like a fire alarm the moment it was turned on. Wave frequencies? Specifically your WiFi 802.11a/b/g? When it's off, it's off. These frequencies are alot more than your simple AM/FM radios mind you. HOWEVER,there is a single mistake in Ij0000's post regarding the part that car boots shield your waves, no it does not shield your wave. Explain how people can hijack/ride on your house Wireless connection in their car? If these waves can be received from inside your car, the same applies for people outside your car meaning they can also detect your waves emitting from inside your car if you're using Wireless no matter if you're in the driver's seat or the boot. So yes, if you leave your laptop on in the car, it is possible to detect waves, though with a gadget as cheap as rm40 is quite impossible, maybe with a gadget costing in the hundreds to thousands. I think that some sections of the public are just making it up, but NOT with bad intentions. They ultimate message is just to practice caution, and they just use a story of a high tech gadget to make ppl more aware. Inaccurate warning though with good intentions I'd say. This post has been edited by yewjhin: Aug 13 2007, 12:14 PM |
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Aug 13 2007, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(yewjhin @ Aug 13 2007, 12:01 PM) With all due respect, I think the entire thing is simply bulls**t. When a laptop is off, it is off. Have u ever seen ur microwave turn itself on and heat the air inside by itself? Metal detector? Your car itself is a huge pile of metal and of different kinds inside and outside, the detector would be ringing like a fire alarm the moment it was turned on. Wave frequencies? Specifically your WiFi 802.11a/b/g? When it's off, it's off. These frequencies are alot more than your simple AM/FM radios mind you. HOWEVER,there is a single mistake in Ij0000's post regarding the part that car boots shield your waves, no it does not shield your wave. Explain how people can hijack/ride on your house Wireless connection in their car? If these waves can be received from inside your car, the same applies for people outside your car meaning they can also detect your waves emitting from inside your car if you're using Wireless no matter if you're in the driver's seat or the boot. So yes, if you leave your laptop on in the car, it is possible to detect waves, though with a gadget as cheap as rm40 is quite impossible, maybe with a gadget costing in the hundreds to thousands. I think that some sections of the public are just making it up, but NOT with bad intentions. They ultimate message is just to practice caution, and they just use a story of a high tech gadget to make ppl more aware. Inaccurate warning though with good intentions I'd say. they got us very cautious right now ... |
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Aug 13 2007, 01:34 PM
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lol yeah i heard my aunt talking about it and was more cautious .
now i know that this item doens't exist.. |
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Aug 13 2007, 01:42 PM
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conclusion, always bring along your notebook with you and never leave it alone. thats why , always opt for light, small yet decent notebook.
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Aug 13 2007, 04:33 PM
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I'm a victim of notebook theft and i would like to share my experience with all of you out there. It happened last 2 months in SS2,PJ . Such a busy area with so many passer-by and motorist around. I parked my car with my laptop in the car but hidden under the seat ( it was my really mistake to think that the detectors doesn exist). The car was parked right in front of and car wash and car park operator,so there are always people around there and can be seen clearly from a corner shop restaurant nearby. yet , after 15min, my laptop gone. It wasn my day coz the my seat was abit out from the angle where i can see my car.After getting back i didn realize anything missing till I almost reach home.then i saw my window area abit dented and of course nothing else but the laptop is gone. Alarm didn even rang...no indications at all .
I asked the computer shops and they say there are such device but can only be bought in hong kong and thailand. Since we are all working as professionals and earning big bucks so we can carry a laptop around,then we must be prepared to encounter with "Professional Crooks" too. If they are not good,then how to cari makan in such complicated KL and selangor area? I myself is an electrical engineer, but i really dont know how to prevent such device from operating,so lets hope there is someone more knowlegeable to help us out. At the mean time it is still better to carry it around with us,coz human response surely better than car does. |
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Aug 13 2007, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(chiong @ Aug 12 2007, 11:08 PM) I agree with most of the point, but car boot will not provide sufficient RF shielding. An opening of just a few cm is enought for RF leakage. The signal can propagate through back seat, windscreen, speaker area, etc and get detected by a receiver. QUOTE(yewjhin @ Aug 13 2007, 04:01 PM) With all due respect, I think the entire thing is simply bulls**t. When a laptop is off, it is off. Have u ever seen ur microwave turn itself on and heat the air inside by itself? signal can propagate .. =,= .. first of all, i'm pretty sure your back seat absorbs some of it .. tinted screens, blocks signal as well .. you'll know bout it if you're in the wireless industry .. not to mention, regarding people hijacking your wi-fi signal ? .. Metal detector? Your car itself is a huge pile of metal and of different kinds inside and outside, the detector would be ringing like a fire alarm the moment it was turned on. Wave frequencies? Specifically your WiFi 802.11a/b/g? When it's off, it's off. These frequencies are alot more than your simple AM/FM radios mind you. HOWEVER,there is a single mistake in Ij0000's post regarding the part that car boots shield your waves, no it does not shield your wave. Explain how people can hijack/ride on your house Wireless connection in their car? If these waves can be received from inside your car, the same applies for people outside your car meaning they can also detect your waves emitting from inside your car if you're using Wireless no matter if you're in the driver's seat or the boot. So yes, if you leave your laptop on in the car, it is possible to detect waves, though with a gadget as cheap as rm40 is quite impossible, maybe with a gadget costing in the hundreds to thousands. I think that some sections of the public are just making it up, but NOT with bad intentions. They ultimate message is just to practice caution, and they just use a story of a high tech gadget to make ppl more aware. Inaccurate warning though with good intentions I'd say. first of all, you'll be needing an antenna to even propagate to such a big area .. secondly, you'll need certain amount of power input to emit that strong signal .. for a notebook that is "shut down" .. and i assume you really did take out your battery .. let's just say, i find it hard to believe that you're still able to diagnose what device is that in your car .. |
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Aug 13 2007, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(williamlee_1985 @ Aug 12 2007, 10:03 PM) It would be more difficult than just hiding it at the back or under the seat right! Besides that holding a giant plier on the street, will attract a lot of ppl and police also has the right to arrest those ppl or question them on sight (base on my previous experience). |
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Aug 13 2007, 07:27 PM
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If you checkout accs and parts mag. for UK or US, seems like all got small security safe to be welded inside the boot....makes sense.
My company also got a few safe, no, not those you see at the bank, but more like a heavy duty drawer with a security dial. But the guy dealing with the safe told me that even those can be broken into using a crowbar...even though it looks solid. But if you do get a personal security safe, make sure its not Korea or China made, the best are from Japan, based on his experience. This post has been edited by azbro: Aug 13 2007, 07:29 PM |
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Aug 13 2007, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE signal can propagate .. =,= .. first of all, i'm pretty sure your back seat absorbs some of it .. tinted screens, blocks signal as well .. you'll know bout it if you're in the wireless industry .. not to mention, regarding people hijacking your wi-fi signal ? .. first of all, you'll be needing an antenna to even propagate to such a big area .. secondly, you'll need certain amount of power input to emit that strong signal .. when i mention hijack/ride on, it means people using ur wireless connection without permission whether you know it or not (provided it is a NON PASSWORD ENCRYPTED connection like wireless at Starbucks etc...) For a simple test, try and leave ur laptop in the boot with WiFI on and connected, and download a file or two, see if there's progress. With a good connection, there'll certainly be progress, meaning the signal is able to penetrate the boot, and that is sufficient enough for people to detect. You don't need big antennas or power inputs. By the way, it's Starbucks or TmNet or any ISP that's suppose to provide the antenna and power input for us users to connect, not the other way round, you should know that. Of course, don't leave your car la, otherwise ppl really come after your laptop. This post has been edited by yewjhin: Aug 13 2007, 07:52 PM |
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Aug 14 2007, 07:31 AM
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i think the police should set up traps in such crime prone area , eg .. purposely put a laptop in the car to lure the thief to steal,and watch the car from distance.when the thief is caught, then all the technology used will be exposed
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