well, no need the long explaination. the reason y i open this thread is to resolve this matter. am not aiming to flame u or watsoever. basically, just put urself in my shoes:

'u bought a number for RM105. u tried to register it but the line cant be used. u contacted the seller but u receive a reply saying, sorry...its not my problem anymore. its jus biz. if it cant be used to bad for u. i dint guarantee the registerbility of the line.'

i mean like...wth...obviously i bought the number to be used la! everybody knows that if a seller advertises his/her number for sale online, it is implied to be able to be used. if it cant be used, it is just right that the money be refunded. n if its a genuine sale and purchase as claimed by u, there shud be no qualms for a refund of a line which cant be used. period.

i cannot resist not to reply here
what for digi want to cheat that the number had been registered?
just refund all the money they gave you
simcard actual price is less than rm10
unless your brother bought it from other seller..
those involved please lodge a police report and dont let this kind of seller get away..

This post has been edited by arafat: Aug 5 2007, 12:30 PM

ok~wateva u say larr~
even though ur bro duno da number was terminated or wateva~u r stil wrong by selling us da number n dun giv bek our money after tis happen...
i dun care wat da hell u gonna say~mayb ur place there doing business is like tis one~but wat i noe is malaysia here nobody do business like tis...
u jz think frm our situation~ok lets say i build a house n u buy da house frm me~
den da house collapse after tat bcoz sum hell reason~mayb concrete not tough or wateva~
can i said tat oh~sorry i dunno da material is like tis~n SO SORRY I CANT GIV U REFUND OR COMPENSATE U COZ I OSO PAY MONEY 2 BUILD TIS HOUSE....
do u realli think tis is logical???!!

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Added on August 5, 2007, 2:53 pmohya~mayb u think tat my swearing r childish or wateva....

i can tell u tat i was kidding tat time coz stil waiting for ur reply here~

but since ur attitude n words are challenging me n babana n members here's toleration~

mayb i wil jz consider taking action tat suggested by members here....
gd luck n all d best 2 u~may god bless u forever by doing business like tis...


n thx guys who helping me n babana for advising(shooting??hahaha...) tis irresponsible seller...

This post has been edited by LittleMin: Aug 5 2007, 03:11 PM

rene,plz refund money to your buyer(babana & LittleMin)as fast as u can,buyer can lodge a police report anytime if you still can't give any solution.

to banana, dont waste ur time. Just make a report n with that report go to digi center n try ask them for the info about her brother number. Hope u can get full information like name n address. After that go to bsn to freeze the account.

This kind of seller really 'jual ikan'. get the money.. and just tutup telinga and mata for his customer complaint. He just think he will got save enuf thinking tht he is far far away.

Err... firstly, I'm not the only one that is helping someone else to post a thread to sell something here in lowyat.net. So wanna speak bout breaking the rule, then implement it to every single seller.

secondly, its a digi number we are talking bout here and how to check whether its working or not is to activate it or call and ask. Activate definitely cannot activate to check coz if activate already if cannot sell within the 3 months validity period then have to reload everytime? and you know how fussy some buyer is here, activate already not new already cant sell that price bla bla bla... and second is to call digi and ask and unfortunately for both side, no one call to ask. my brother coz he really think that the number is a working number coz it will expire in 2008 and wanna sell before the expiry. and the buyer coz he or she wanna get the number. so no false representation is given to anyone.

and what do u mean by taking something out and say its new? and what bought it home and just realize? of coz only realize when try to activate. if know already cannot use and sell, that mean bro is cheating. so what fair and not fair? and why is it a seller fault and not digi's fault? coz its easier to launch a complain against the seller instead of digi??

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Added on August 6, 2007, 12:49 amWah.. you also very nice and come here and swear like nobody business. then the moderator must be the baka for opening this sub forum if the seller cannot use this forum to defend themselves. nice swearing as well and try swearing it to the "right" person and you will be 'dead'. nak tetak ape? get a death sentence for 105 or 55 bucks? fikirla sikit tu. what totally irresponsible is what when he did nothing wrong? know how to give bad comment only without giving any real positive suggestion... sheesh...

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Added on August 6, 2007, 12:55 amHey like i told most buyers or potential buyer before, my brother doesnt have internet access at home and if want to go online have to go to cc in town which is half hour away. and pc in cc there mostly still use window 98 and cant upload pics. i have internet access hence i help him to post. nothing wrong with that right?

And what dare or not dare? You want him to answer your call for what? Just beacuse you dare to call him and he didnt pick up? think bout it.

fortunately or unfortunately nothing like this have happen to me before and i cant share my personal experience here. but bro did kena con 25 bucks buying from lelong before and yes, its not much money and guess what, he was angry and nope, he didnt complain or get the person's account suspended. not coz he's stupid or whatever but he said what babana said to him, "hope that bloody seller enjoy using the 25 freaking bucks!" so yeah, more or less he said nevermind.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 12:57 amAnd well, not a challenge but if wanna report then go right ahead. Nothing to be scare of here coz bro know he is not wrong and didnt cheat anyone and I know he didnt cheat anyone. I said my piece. Its just a solution that is not acceptable to the buyers.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 12:59 amWhat is a TS anyway? And if like I said earlier, not a challenge but if wanna report then go right ahead coz my bro know he didnt do anything wrong and I know he didnt do anything wrong. And with little addition.. If do report, then please let me know.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:09 amHaiya, another reader that also only know how to give bad comment.

alamak, since when buying at a low price and selling at a higher price is a crime? and how many other sellers are doing it here? are you telling this to all of then as well? then no need to do biz la like that. buy harga factory sell harga factory... if like that where the word "untung" come from?? what for wanna use the word "untung" in the dictionary? even digi reatiler is doing it ler. all sim card have same fix price and they also sell premium number t a higher price. wrong kah? and the 0166666666 selling for 160k? what bout that price?

how about calling yourself selfish then? and yes i can put myself in the buyer's shoe and can you also put yourself in my bro's shoe? do genuine sale but kena with all these? is there a conning case here?

want money only pulak. if really want money then would have do what some real cheater do. sell some comp chips or something and run off with lotsa money. get 160 and get all these swearing? you want kah? think bout it ler...

and who r u to ask me how i survive in this world? you know me personally? i definitely dunno you personally but from the way you talk, with all the swearing and wishing someone dead, are you a good person yourself? any good religious people will wish death upon someone here? funny la you.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:14 amexplanation is explanation. long or short. yes i can just say, sorry no refund and go aheas and say whatever you wanna say. its not wrong to give explanation isnt it?

put urself in bro's shoe as well. he didnt activate and he didnt use the number. digi simply go and terminate. what he wanna do? he is a private seller and he dont do refund. its a genuine sale and thats why he unwilling to refund. if its a con case, i would be really glad to refund the money to you myself.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:21 amMy brother did get all the number from the same seller and thats why there is no reason why digi should terminate some and let some number go or for the buyer to accuse him of activating some numbers and not the other. and are you calling bro a cheat? if it is real that digi register then number already then there should be a record somewhere. there is the reason of registration. terminated on 01/07/07? and the buyer tried to register a week plus after that and digi cant give the buyer any particular and said number and any info deleted from the system at the end of july 07. what kinda answer is that? then what for gov wanna inplement the registration law? so that service provider can delete the info a week or a month after the expiry of the validity period? how can that be? isnt the registeration purpose is to keep track who the owner of the number is? thats y i said digi simply give an answer only.

and re polica report, if buyers do report then do let me know. maybe by then we can settle this once and for all and bro name can be cleared.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:23 amMy brother did get all the number from the same seller and thats why there is no reason why digi should terminate some and let some number go or for the buyer to accuse him of activating some numbers and not the other. and are you calling bro a cheat? if it is real that digi register then number already then there should be a record somewhere. there is the reason of registration. terminated on 01/07/07? and the buyer tried to register a week plus after that and digi cant give the buyer any particular and said number and any info deleted from the system at the end of july 07. what kinda answer is that? then what for gov wanna inplement the registration law? so that service provider can delete the info a week or a month after the expiry of the validity period? how can that be? isnt the registeration purpose is to keep track who the owner of the number is? thats y i said digi simply give an answer only.

and re polica report, if buyers do report then do let me know. maybe by then we can settle this once and for all and bro name can be cleared.

This post has been edited by rene: Aug 6 2007, 01:23 AM

Since, seller insisted that he/she had performed a genuine sale and refused a refund, buyer should take action themselves from here onwards.

My suggestion is

1.Bring up this matter to DiGi. Lodge a formal report indicating that seller with so and so identity had sold those numbers with assurance they are usable. Remember to cc a copy to Consumers Association and Ministry of Domestic Trade and Consumers Affair. Include all relevant details and pm details of trade. Press DiGi for an explanation as why a new SIM pack (as claimed by seller) is not usable.

2.Lodge a report with consumers association stating that DiGi numbers bought from seller are not usable although seller had many times assured it is a new pack and usable. Request the Consumers Association to follow up with the matters.

3.If above did not resolve problem. Lodge a report with Ministry of Domestic Trade stating that a new DiGi SIM pack bought from agent could not be used.

Forget the police. Everything should start from DiGi themselves from now on. Seller should mail the starter kit pack to buyer so that they could build a case against DiGi. If DiGi is at fault then Consumers Association will back you up. If otherwise i believe DiGi will lodge a police report against irresponsible agents who smear their names.

Mod should also tagged seller with a dispute pending the outcome.

how to compare a house and a number? how far fetch is that? house collapse coz building material bad, then thats negligence. of coz you can sue.. if can sue then happy la all developers...

you chose to read my reply as a challenge, where i am simply giving an explanations. choice of words are really up to you and you can choose not to swear and all but you did.

shot? then yeah, get a 20 years jail or death sentence for it. worth it? owning a gun itself is a big offence already. do you have one? I would definitely lodge a report, to my bro advantage too.. funny la you..

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:32 amLike i said and this is the 4th time, if buyers do lodge a report then please letme know. And perhaph we can settle this once and for all and clear my bro's name. solution given and not accepted.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:35 amand babana, if you do go to digi center again, please ask them of the termination of valid numbers as well and why records were deleted from the system in such a short time.. my brother's name already given here. address is in sibu, sarawak. wanna fly there to tumbuk him? and what basis to ask bsn to freeze the account when there is no finsing of fraud case? wanna get sue kah?

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Added on August 6, 2007, 1:38 amThen does the buyer wanna go to sibu and find him? living in sibu is not a crime. and its really unfair for all those whose from sabah sarawak. its like you are saying, hey, people from east malaysia, very far away, anything happen then he is save coz we cannot touch him/her.

This post has been edited by rene: Aug 6 2007, 01:38 AM

Rene, you can come up with a million reason but the fact is they bought the numbers from you and the numbers are not usable. Thus, the blaming game is on. You can deny everything but it wont change the fact you are in a centre of a dispute which paints you pretty badly.

Agree with u...rene,i think u no need to give us so much reason...
I just can tell u...u r wrong...
U wanna refund or not??Just ask your brother to make refund k...both also got advantage...

Reply to your suggestions. Man, what a relieve! Yes, ask them why simply terminate people's number and just give a simple answer, sorry number activate before and we dont keep records. And i hope my bro hasnt throw away the starter kit pack.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 2:30 amIts not a reason its an explanation. What to do? Those who have traded with me before will know whether i'm honest or not. Its their choice whether they wanna trade with me or not from now on.

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Added on August 6, 2007, 2:32 amI said it before and i'll say it again, its not reason its an explanation. Unfortunately, you can say i'm wrong and I can say my bro is not wrong. I have said no refund unless someone can prove that there is an intention to cheat.

This post has been edited by rene: Aug 6 2007, 02:34 AM

I'm not here to settle anything, but I have one suggestion to make.

1) Determine when the number became inactive/purged/whatever.

2) Determine when the sale happened.

If #1 happened before #2, then the seller has sold something that has perished (whether knowingly and unknowingly) and the buyers may have something to build upon. And conversely, if #2 before #1.

wkkay got all the point already.

Hope rene and TS could work out this and post some answer here.

All numbers in the thread were purged/deleted from the system before or by 30/6/2007 (as seen in the message from the original thread posted by littlemin). I bought the sim card frm rene's bro on 1/7/2007. He sent it to me on 3/7/2007 and i received it on 5/7/2007. Went to register it on 9/7/2007 and voila...it couldnt work.

Anyway, u can c frm seller's response dat she is not trying to mediate this problem at all. Not even trying to offer a reimbursement for part of the price or sumthin. Yea...she might be a honest seller previously and might not know that the number had any problems. But she's still taking a very VERY irresponsible stance by not wanting to settle ANYTHING AT ALL now dat she knows its not usable.

Rene, as said in ur earlier post...ur bro lost RM25 in a lelong deal rite? I'm sure he felt shitty as well. I lost almost 5x of wat ur bro lost...den wat abt me?????? Obviously if we can settle it here den no need for me to go thru the hassle of lodging reports to tribunals n stuff to claim back my RM105 rite?

This post has been edited by babana: Aug 6 2007, 10:04 PM

I'm just repeating myself here. If anyone can prove there is an intention to cheat, then i am willing to refund.

Like I said to you before through PM, money is stil money whether its 25 or 105. If you wanna lodge a report, then like before, do let me know. And for tribunal to have jurisdiction, the action must taken against a manufacturer or an agent or a supplier, and bro is neither. but yeah you can always give it a try.

bla bla bla...bla bla bla...
jz thousand of words...
lazy 2 see...

YES U R RITE~NOW U R NOT IN WRONG~IS DIGI'S WRONG~
SO U ASK US TO GO FIND DIGI CENTRE...

OK~DEN U TEACH ME~
HOW SHUD I BLAME DIGI SINCE I ONLI GOT ONE SIM CARD N ITS BIG CARD(duno wat tis call)??!!!

DUN FORGET TAT UR BRO JZ SEND DA SIM CARD 2 US ONLI~

i m very willing 2 settle tis wif u~i think babana oso...
we jz wan 2 get wat we shud get~either da number or money~

ohya~u said house building material bad is negligence~
so u selling terminated numbers 2 ppl is not negligence larr??

ok u said u duno y da number kena terminated~since like tat~
Y UR BRO DUN GO DIGI CENTRE SETTLE FOR TIS???!!!

I DUN REALLI UNDERSTAND Y U JZ WAN US 2 BLAME DIGI N DUN SETTLE FOR TIS??
IF I DUN REMEMBER WRONG~UR BRO SEEMS LIKE GOT A GROUP OF NUMBERS TAT R TERMINATED OSO~
N U CLAIMED TAT U CLOSED UR THREAD BCOZ OF TIS...

SO...???
INSTEAD OF DUN GO SETTLE TIS~U ASK ME N BABANA GO SETTLE PULAK~
N ME N BABANA JZ HOLD A SIM CARD N BIG CARD TAT CANT EXPLAIN ANYTHING~

UR BRO EVER EXPLAINED 2 ME TAT MY SIM CARD EXPIRED ON 1 JULY 2008~
YES I ASKED DIGI CENTRE BOUT TIS ADY~N WAT DA OPERATOR TELL ME WAS~
DA CARD WAS REGISTERED ON YEAR 2005 BEFORE~
SO...WAT CAN I SAY??
I JZ GOT DA SIM CARD N EVEN SIMPACK OSO DUN HV~WTH CAN I SAY 2 DIGI??


u explain so many things oso no use...

now the best way is ur bro shud go digi centre ask clearly bout tis...
iznit very clear tis is da rite way??
iznit very clear tat tis is da way tat u can clear u n ur bro's name at here??

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Added on August 7, 2007, 2:51 amu oso noe 2 relieve~den can u ask ur bro go settle wif digi bout tis?????????

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Added on August 7, 2007, 2:55 amhello seller~do u stil remember tat u r da seller??
if u stil remember u r da seller tat sold number 2 me n babana~
PLS REMEMBER TAT ITS UR RESPONSIBLE 2 GO 2 DIGI CENTRE 2 ASK BOUT DA REASON OF TERMINATION NUMBERS....

we r buyer~n we r customers ok???
i tot ur bro is da one who shud go 2 digi centre??

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Added on August 7, 2007, 2:59 amim very willing 2 coorperate wif rene on tis~jz see she got da sincerity 2 settle tis problem onli onot...

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Added on August 7, 2007, 3:00 amda number was terminated on far far yr 2005 ago~
n i bought da number frm tis seller tis june...

so how u think???

This post has been edited by LittleMin: Aug 7 2007, 03:05 AM

Sellers are responsible to collect back all the numbers he sold and negotiate with Digi instead of asking the buyers themselves to settle with digi, girl , u sell the number not them , u have the money in ur pocket thats why you are not doing anything but trying to defence urself from being guilty , i personally would support the point that it should be report to the Consumer Association and lodge a police report to sue the buyers if she/they do not do a refund.

Buyers, please go ahead and lodge a police report first.

Good luck to you rene , you should know some ethics of running business, if you dont do the refund , right , u got the RM105 in your pocket safe , but u are actually losing more future business =) guess wht ! Its up to u ... if u do a refund here and appologize for the mistake you all have done , fine , u still can run ur business tommorow and ppl will not afraid of buying from u

YES!! i dun see any sincerity frm her 2 settle wif us....

she jz explain explain explain....n nobody at here accept her explaination at all~

i more willing 2 see she ask her bro go digi centre settle rather den see she explain explain explain... at here again...

so many words 2 see my eyes feel painful oso~

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Added on August 7, 2007, 3:07 amspeaking frankly~i dun realli noe wat 2 say 2 police officer when i wanna lodge report...
can u teach me??

This post has been edited by LittleMin: Aug 7 2007, 03:07 AM

Nothing much to say.Whatever explanations/reasons.Rene.your brother is the one who should settle with the buyers.You or your brother don't have the rights to ask the buyer to settle with Digi or anyone else, since the number couldn't be use or couldn't be registered in the first place.If the number can be activated and the buyer already used it for a day or so or even few hours,then it's the buyers fault and they have to follow up with the service provider.

Maybe you or your brother didn't know that the sim cards had been rejected but it's your/your brother's responsibility to refund the paid amount.

Just a sample,

You bought a hardisk drive from store A.Once you got back home from the store you installed the drive and it didn't work.

What will you do?
Of course you'll get back to the shop you bought the drive from.What will you do if the seller/shop owner ask you to refer to the distributor?does it make sense?

It's just that simple.Your brother should follow-up with the service provider not the buyer since they bought it from your brother and your brother didn't tell them that the sim card can't be used/activate (Whether your bro know or didn't know the status of the sim card).Simply you could have added "Sold as is" or "Buy at your own risk" in your selling thread if you or your brother really don't know the condition of the sim card.