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post Dec 1 2021, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(throwawayacclmao @ Dec 1 2021, 12:35 PM)
Very nice!
May I know when did you order yours?
I ordered this during Black Friday right after it went on sale and still don't see any shipping info  sad.gif
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i ordered it at taobao when i stumbled on it few weeks ago. (should be around 11.11 event or something)

i'm sure yours is coming soon also.

QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 1 2021, 03:37 PM)
Drop is having Cyber Monday deals. For limited time (til today), selected MT3 keycaps will be buy 2 for the price of 1.
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post Dec 2 2021, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(throwawayacclmao @ Dec 1 2021, 10:59 PM)
I see..thanks!
Mine has just shipped and it seems to be stuck at custom..courier is FedEx, I hope I dont need to pay any extra tax since my kit is <RM500  doh.gif
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i think it will not be taxed since it's below 500myr.

it's always better to add an additional 20% to the total costs when you purchase stuff, just in case.
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post Dec 2 2021, 10:07 PM

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after a few tests of different configurations, i prefer kbd67lite with everything in. imo the typing feel is more solid with case silicon, relatively speaking, compared to configurations without it.

the next step is to tune all the switches. my formula to make switches to have minimal vibration during typing is: lube them, use soft switch films, and switch pads/foams. this time i will keep the stock spring (63.5g linear rated)

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currently, domikey sets are hot stuff at taobao, and their aio sets are sold out very quickly.
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post Dec 8 2021, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 8 2021, 10:58 AM)
Looks like I need to mod Glorious GOAT stabs. Sometime the space bar will be stuck due to subpar factory lubed. Maybe will try GOAT housing with Everglide stems.
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yeah most stock stabs are underperformed. you should always tune them when they are easy to access.

as for swapping the sliders to everglide's, it's better to try tuning the original ones first imo. (unless they are really beyond rescues)

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 8 2021, 01:53 PM)
If i were to buy on taobao, what is a good starter kit to look for?
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there are plenty of them, with different configurations, and also price tags. it's better to state what you actually want first.
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post Dec 8 2021, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 8 2021, 04:04 PM)
Will definitely do that but first I gotta buy Dielectric Grease and 205g0. I'm new to the hobby. Kinda scare I mess it up even more. LOL
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don't worry about it. most mods for stabilizers are reversible, so it's ok to screw things up. if something go wrong, just clean them up, then redo.

as for those that are irreversible, like clipping mod for sliders, they are simple so it's not that easy to fail. in your case, you might not need it. afaik stems of stock goat stabilizers are designed without those 'legs'.
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post Dec 9 2021, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 9 2021, 08:16 AM)
Thanks for the encouragement.  notworthy.gif

I actually did holee mod on my previous keyboard but without wiping the grease off.  brows.gif

BTW... the 205g0 sold by Keys.my okay? Planning to get it from them.
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oh. in that case, the soft material used for holee mod will not stick well to a lubed stem, and will detach from its location after a while (which might cause wierd feels and sound when this happens)

in general, the better practice is, it's better to do it right, then test it to make sure everything works properly, before full assembly. this is a habit that can save us a lot of time.

(previously i rushed a soldered build, including sticking individual switch pads on pcb, only to find out after it's done that its pcb did not work at all lol it took me hours to desolder, prepare and replace a new pcb with the same mod, resolder, etc. if i chose to spend 5 minutes to test the pcb with tweezers, none of this would happen in the first place biggrin.gif )

lubes from keys.my are ok. in terms of lube, it's better to try out more options (e.g., for krytox gpl, they cover a wide range of viscosity) many attempt to make krytox gpl 205g0 as a go-to option, but in reality, it might not be a good option to achieve desired outcomes that you want.
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post Dec 9 2021, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 9 2021, 10:28 AM)
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I actually just did the holee mod for fun and also consider it as a practice. Did it on Womier K87 with provided stabs. I'm not using the keyboard anymore.

I'm happy with GMMK Pro with Aqua King switch (factory lubed). Just need to re-lubed the GOAT stabs. GOAT stabs really named correctly as it mmeeehhhh.  rclxs0.gif

I think I'll stick to the basic 205g0 lube first as I'm new. Just gonna apply it on stabs. Lazy wanna lube the switch.  whistling.gif
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yeah just do what you see fit.

right, you can start with 205g0. it will be your reference when you compare other lube options.

note that for aqua king, clean them up first with IPA, then apply thin layer of 205g0, in case you decided to lube them. if it's thick, it will make that switch 'draggy' during key travels, and it will take a longer time for this feel to go away.
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post Dec 9 2021, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 9 2021, 11:43 AM)
Ya.. will definitely do that if I want to lube my switches. As for now... don't think I'll be doing it as I came from Gateron Brown and factory lubed Aqua Kings already feel and sound much better.

Surprisingly, Aqua King really has little stem wobble. Reckon it will be my main switch for very a long time.

Can't wait for my MT3 keycaps and hopefully it will give a deeper thock. Will be getting GMK laser from Drop next year. Damn, keycaps are expensive as hell. LOL
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yeah it's just a heads-up only if you wanted to do it.

aqua king is indeed a better option if you looked for linear switches with minimal stem wobbles.

in general, 'you get what you pay for' is always valid, if you considered everything involved as a whole. custom key cap sets, like those from gmk/jtk/epbt, are expensive because of their limited availability, original and unique designs, layout supports, printing technology, and overall controls of qualities for such sets. all these need time and efforts from different parties to achieve best possible outcomes. in the case of gmk, they do have relatively affordable options that are outside of most of such limits, e.g., gmk wob, which they deliver mainly qualities in manufacturing.

then again, there are good alternatives if you're not picky. there are subjective base lines that you can draw among key cap sets in the market, to find out which sets are acceptable to you. it's a give-and-take, so it's really up to you to decide, based on budget, first-hand experience, and preferences.
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post Dec 9 2021, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Dec 9 2021, 07:32 PM)
If you're looking to buy new stabs you might want to keep an eye out for TX Stabs. Both Rebult and Keys are bringing in soon-ish on Shopee.
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yes, waiting for it smile.gif

QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 9 2021, 10:15 PM)
I actually wanted to own at least 1 GMK. Had my eyes on GMK Laser because it is still available to purchase at Drop. Dang, I join the mechanical keyboard late... else I will be able to get GMK Mecha 01.
It is really gorgeous.  cry.gif
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i think you will get at least one set eventually haha
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post Dec 10 2021, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 10 2021, 08:23 AM)
I have this feeling as well. Spent too much in a month, need to take a breather before I start spending on GMK keycaps. Gonna wait for the next sales on Drop.

I should have gotten GMK Laser instead of MT3 but buy 2 for the price of 1 is an offer I can't refuse.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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yeah that's a good deal that most were not willing to skip haha

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i'm testing a 'partial' gummyworm o-ring mod on two of my tray-mount reference builds. basically this just means i install an o-ring on the bare bone units, then install them on their cases. i didn't file the pcbs/standoffs, so there is no flex/bounce like the original mod.

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- this 'friction-fit mounting' is ok. it's screwless, but the bare bone unit can be secured nicely inside the case with just the o-ring. it needs some efforts to get the bare bone out of the case;
- in terms of typing feel, it does change, but marginal. (softer, with lesser vibrations, imo);
- the typing sound changed as well, but marginal also.

there are definitely rooms for improvement, e.g.,
- although i can use this mod with existing pcb-mount screw-in stabilizers, a snap-in, which have smaller foot prints, might be better to give space for gasket;
- there are also different materials, thickness, softness, and sizes for the o-ring used, although i suspect the differences are marginal also in terms of overall outcomes, compared to what i have now.

like i said, this is not the original gummyworm o-ring mod. it's more like a variant that is similar to the mod that uses tiny o-rings on top of standoffs in tray-mount cases, to provide gasket mounting effects. well, there is no magic here. the results from both are really with marginal differences only, compared to the usual tray mounting.

i'm ok with tray-mount. it has its own characteristics. however, i hope pcbs similar to merro60 will be available soon, so that we can have a different typing experience with the same tray-mount cases.

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post Dec 10 2021, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Dec 10 2021, 10:42 AM)
Poison sudah start.

Waiting for my Q1 to reach me, hopefully by next week. Will be modding the board for sure  tongue.gif
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right. these days, the options available to us are more friendly for customization than ever. they also come with parts that are optional for a build, but are ready if you wanted to include them.

with such convenience, it's really a waste if you don't experiment with different configurations.
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post Dec 10 2021, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Dec 10 2021, 11:54 AM)
Yup totally, experimenting with different switches and caps is gonna be fun.

Defo will be a time-consuming / expensive hobby, down the rabbit hole we go  laugh.gif
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yeah it takes time to gather first-hand experience for different configurations. until now, i still learn new stuff from time to time lol
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post Dec 10 2021, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Dec 10 2021, 02:35 PM)
where did you get the o ring? and what is the inner diameter size?
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i got mine from here at taobao, https://shop267743505.taobao.com/

the measurement is for 60%: cross section/thickness 3.5mm, outer diameter 165mm. however, while it works fine, o-rings with this outer diameter causes tensions to switches. it's better to get the ones with longer outer diameters.
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post Dec 12 2021, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Dec 12 2021, 10:27 AM)
i bought one off shopee and it was short  sweat.gif
found one in tokopedia but then then need forwarder and the shipping cost was not worth it whistling.gif

165mm yours one is elastic to be pull around the board?
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yes, they are elastic enough to cover 60%

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note that this bare bone has a full poron plate foam that doesn't provide space for the o-ring, and it uses pcb-mount screw-in stabilizers. while it's still working fine, this configuration might be less optimal, causing tension to switches at all four corners.

imo the better way is to have a plate foam mod that leave space at all sides for the o-ring. (i.e. leave all sides to be clear from foam)

again, my main purpose is to install bare bone securely inside a case without screws (friction-fit mounting). in my case, the cases are covered with thin poron foam also, including top side of standoffs. i use this way to minimize effects of hard spots due to fixed screw installation and standoffs in tray-mount cases. the typing feel is relatively softer, with relatively lesser vibrations when typing.
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post Dec 15 2021, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 14 2021, 08:39 AM)
Bought a pack of KBDfans switch pad & stabs foam sticker.

Not sure if the switch pad will make my keyboard sound more thocky.  brows.gif

BTW... can I use WD 40 Specialist Contact Cleaner to wipe of the excessive lube on PCB?

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Not gonna use WD 40 Specialist Contact Cleaner as it is bad on polycarbonate.

IPA 70% or 99% is better for PCB cleaning?
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for pcb cleanups, i use IPA 99% mainly.
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post Dec 15 2021, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 15 2021, 11:30 AM)
Thanks for the info. Already made my purchased.
Can't wait to mod the sticky padding on GMMK Pro.
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yes it's relatively safer with IPA.

for switch pads, it's better to try them out and do comparisons with those without. the effects on key sound by this mod (and tape mod, corrected) was somewhat explained in this video:

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yeah, mixed results.

note that the video was based on the original mod, i.e., pe foam for packaging (less densed pe). there was no obvious highlight in the explanation about effects based on different materials, and density. (currently we have switch pads made of at least eva, ixpe, and poron)
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post Dec 15 2021, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(youngy @ Dec 15 2021, 02:12 PM)
Yeap definitely gonna apply few switch pads and test it out.

And I just received my custom coil cable from cable mode. Sadly, I'm still waiting for my keycaps to arrive.
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i use switch pads for a non-acoustic reason: they help reduce vibrations. in this case, all of them serve the same purpose for me

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the first set of mcr profile key cap set from melgeek is available now.

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edit: as of now, melgeek has three own keycap profile designs: mg (hi-pro; tallest); mda (medium height); and the latest mcr (cherry-profile like)

in terms of printing, mg is double-shot abs; mda is dye sub pbt; and mcr is double-shot abs.

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post Dec 18 2021, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Dec 18 2021, 02:31 PM)
Sharing some updates of my latest build - my very first DIY mechanical board journey.

Board: Keychron Q1 Silver
Switches: AKKO Matcha Greens
Caps: GMK Pulse Mitolet
Stabs: Stock (Re-lubbed)
Mods: Tape Mods
Lube: Krytox 205g2

Basically been reading / watching reviews on how the Q1 perform in it's stock form and was pleased that the board exceeded my expectations. As a Mac user, I am only limited to boards that supports MacOS and Keychron was originally made Mac-compatible hence the reason to go for the Q1 - previously owned the K2 and K8 but these boards did not meet my expectations. The board is heavy, really heavy - to the expend that it left a mark on my leather desk pad  sweat.gif

Was a little disappointed that the board did not provide and keycaps or switch pullers - I don't have any on hand thus had to resort to using plastic tools to remove them, took longer than expected. The board was different from the ones I saw on YouTube and review units. The PCB change a bit, especially the cables from the daughter board (USB C ports) is no longer a ribbon cable and this version came with 2 foam paddings instead of one, which is a good thing.

The board was still a ping-monster out of the box, its inevitable due to the materials used (CNC Aluminium). Added some tape around the edges of the board to reduce the vibrations, re-lubbed the stabs to make it rattle less and added another 2 layers of masking tape (3M Painters Tape) at the back of the PCB to give it a more fuller sound.

Overall pretty happy with the sound of the keys, feels 'thocky' and fuller - the GMK caps are expensive as hell but they do sound better than the default cheapo-ABS caps that came with the board. I don't plan to stop here, perhaps next week will be trying out the holey-mod on the stabs, not very happy with the outcome of the sound yet - the addiction is real.
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yeah when you know you can make it better, you will continue to tune it until you're satisfied, or at least, acceptable.
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post Dec 24 2021, 03:23 PM

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this is a follow-up note for friction-fit mounting with gummyworm o-rings for 60% tray-mount (1, 2)

after tests for around a week, i think it's safe to say that friction-fit mounting is good as an alternative mounting style for tray-mount builds, especially when barebone units are built accordingly:

- it will bring relatively softer typing feel, with relatively lesser vibrations, to the usually stiff tray-mount builds. as a comparison, in terms of softer typing feel, tray-mount > friction-fit mount > gasket mount (kbd67lite)
- hard spots caused by standoffs will be reduced. on top of standoffs, you can put a thin layer of soft foam also.

for 60%, 165mm outer diameter is the minimal. it works fine. however i think the optimal size of the o-ring is 170mm outer diameter (less stress to switches at four corners). the cross-section/thickness is 3.5mm.
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post Dec 30 2021, 12:19 PM

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this is the first formula of a tray-mount build that i like more, compared to other combinations that i have.

i have some unpopular preferences: in short, i want a tray-mount plated build that produces relatively soft, but somewhat stiff, and clean typing feel. (clean means with less vibration when typing) it should not be loud also.

it's always possible to achieve the above with a tray-mount (which is famous of hard spots and stiffness), as long as you choose appropriate parts and mods:

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this is my last build in the year of 2021. i am looking forward to trying out hpe housings (giantv6), and tx stabilizers, in 2022.

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