Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Inverter Ceiling Fan

views
     
foohoa
post May 19 2020, 11:58 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
981 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: SABAH!!!


QUOTE(skyblu3 @ May 19 2020, 07:57 AM)
Please calculate for me.  I'm using Panasonic DC fan for the past 2 years.

My living area fan is switched on 24x7 because I have a dog in the house.

How much I saved?
*
30W x 24 x 365 = 262.8KW/year = RM57.64 x 2 = RM115.28
80w x 24 x 365 = 700kw/year = RM154 x 2 = RM308
RM308-115.28 = 192.72

now
normal fan you buy RM200(consider higher class model)
inverter fan you buy RM459

fan differential RM459-RM200 = RM259
RM259-192.72 = RM66.28

u still need 7x24x1 year to start SAVING!
i hope ur fan still havent breakdown next year
foohoa
post May 19 2020, 12:03 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
981 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: SABAH!!!


QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ May 19 2020, 08:50 AM)
LOL those who said dc ceiling fan useless must be never use inverter aircond before.

its 50% more efficient than AC, if ur house got 6 DC fan, u only pay like 3 AC fan.

example 40w * 6 = 240w. (this is highest speed for DC fan, produce 23X rpm).

the rest u calculate la, u use fan everyday, atleast 12 hours, if all eq in ur house is inverter, say example 3* 1hp inverter aircond, 1* 1.5hp inverter, 1  inverter fridge, 1 inverter washing machine, 2 inverter water heater, and 6 dc fan,
and use 5 fans, 4 aircond everyday for 8 hours, ur bill will only cost around rm250 - 300. I use all above except the dc fan, bill around rm250.

surely will use dc fan later for my new house
*
because of aircond non-inverter vs inverter the consumption was really big different
its like RM120 for 1 aircon vs RM60, 1 year you might enough to pay the aircond price differential
and inverter fan u just save RM5 per month and the fan price is almost double of the ac fan
ac fan very long lasting, dc fan usually breakdown after few year, so it isnt worth at all
rickyro
post May 19 2020, 12:06 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
914 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(Theeban @ May 18 2020, 12:47 AM)
bayu is shit nowadays,the blades start rusting and humming sound
*
My bayu fan only quiet at low speed settings...medium speed onwards, sibeh noisy
mousqy
post May 19 2020, 12:09 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
758 posts

Joined: Aug 2008


TIL

DC fan > marvel AC fan
wshoh
post May 19 2020, 12:33 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
176 posts

Joined: Aug 2006


QUOTE(rickyro @ May 19 2020, 09:38 AM)
I buy jer 5 blades PANASONIC Yuragi... Hnnnggghhhh..

No. of blades higher, itu yang paling penting for a fan
*
QUOTE(elemont @ May 19 2020, 11:19 AM)
Depends on size of room. If small room, less blades better. 3 is sufficient. Fans installer expert told me wan. Small room with too many blades caused wind feedback and more instability on the swing, making noise and unstableness.

If Living room, probably 5 blades is OK.
*
Not true about number of blades. Blade pitch is a more important consideration. Christopher Teh explains it very well here - 3, 4, or 5 fan blades? Do ceiling fans with more blades give more airflow? The science behind your ceiling fan design

QUOTE(Zot @ May 19 2020, 09:46 AM)
I think the inverter term is used without knowing what it is actually meant.

The inverter in electronics means the DC voltage is inverted into AC voltage. From AC to DC it is called convert. So, the opposite of convert is invert.

In case of DC fan, it is just fan that use DC motor. Some ads get people confused with inverter. It is not an inverter fan but just DC fan  smile.gif

Like you said, it is just AC to DC. However, if it is just direct AC motor with no conversion, it should be more efficient  laugh.gif ; but it is not due to to nature on how AC motor works.

The AC motor is works efficiently at its designed natural speed which I would say should be more efficient than DC motor, but when the AC fan speed is regulated to operate at various other speed, the efficiency drops thus makes it less efficient. Basically, the speed of an AC motor is dependent on the number of poles it has and the line frequency of the power supply, not on it’s voltage. The pole is created by AC current flowing in another set of coil winding. Since pole number is fixed in AC motor, the frequenct change is used to vary speed. That is why normally when ceiling fan is faulty, spoiled capacitor is normally the main suspect. Fan motor cannot turn  smile.gif

Unlike AC motor, the DC fan is using permanent magnet to create pole. The motor the speed it regulated by controlling how much current flow through motor winding. This is why the control is precise and waste less energy.

There is no inverter involved here. The inverter is different thing. The inverter technology is used to control AC motor through PWM (Pulse Width Modulation). That is another story. This will make AC motor more efficient by being able to regulate power as required.
*
QUOTE(elemont @ May 19 2020, 11:16 AM)
This.

wth needs inverter for fan...adui.

Next you will need inverter for TV, your rice cooker and your semakphone.
*
thumbsup.gif

alexander3133
post May 19 2020, 12:39 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,716 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: JDT


Panasonic or KDK, macam sama saje.

https://www.panasonic.com/content/dam/Panas...ingFan-2019.pdf
SUSskyblu3
post May 19 2020, 12:43 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
157 posts

Joined: Jan 2013
QUOTE(foohoa @ May 19 2020, 11:58 AM)
30W x 24 x 365 = 262.8KW/year  = RM57.64 x 2 = RM115.28
80w x 24 x 365 = 700kw/year = RM154 x 2 = RM308
RM308-115.28 = 192.72

now
normal fan you buy RM200(consider higher class model)
inverter fan you buy RM459

fan differential RM459-RM200 = RM259
RM259-192.72 = RM66.28

u still need 7x24x1 year to start SAVING!
i hope ur fan still havent breakdown next year
*
Lol

Thanks.
Mrsaitama
post May 19 2020, 12:51 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
353 posts

Joined: Nov 2015


QUOTE(foohoa @ May 19 2020, 12:03 PM)
because of aircond non-inverter vs inverter the consumption was really big different
its like RM120 for 1 aircon vs RM60, 1 year you might enough to pay the aircond price differential
and inverter fan u just save RM5 per month and the fan price is almost double of the ac fan
ac fan very long lasting, dc fan usually breakdown after few year, so it isnt worth at all
*
Are u using the dc fan? Can share what is breaking down for ur dc fan? 1 year sure not return la. Just put 5 years, calculate if ur ac fan is better than dc.

With dc u get quiet room, less bill,
rickyro
post May 19 2020, 01:58 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
914 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 19 2020, 12:39 PM)
Yes... They memang sama.... Haha... Just see what chop you want on it jer
rickyro
post May 19 2020, 01:59 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
914 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(wshoh @ May 19 2020, 12:33 PM)
Not true about number of blades. Blade pitch is a more important consideration. Christopher Teh explains it very well here - 3, 4, or 5 fan blades? Do ceiling fans with more blades give more airflow? The science behind your ceiling fan design
*
Thanks... Will read up more, indeed, most of the logic there is like aircraft propellers
santik
post May 19 2020, 08:56 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: May 2010


QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 19 2020, 08:24 AM)
Around 3 years old now, using them almost everyday especially master bedroom, living room and dining room.
So far did not notice any slow down and humming noise.

Just tested my ceiling fan on highest speed (Speed = 9), no wobble and other unusual noise.

That time, I hired an handy man to help me installed those fans and other stuffs.

There is one ceiling fan that after the handy man installed, I noticed the fan has significant wobble only on high speed.
So I rearranged the blades and further tighten any screws myself, and the high speed wobble issue on that particular fan reduced.
*
Thank you for your reply.

Yours is the 4 blades or 5 blades version, 48" or 56"? The yuragi, natural wind, do you actually use them to simulate natural wind by speed up and down. I heard the more you on the easier the fan board to spoil.


santik
post May 19 2020, 08:59 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: May 2010


QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ May 19 2020, 08:53 AM)
What are their differences that you see?

I have heard since KDK is bought over by Panasonic, they have a few fans that are practically similar. Making me not too sure which brand to go for.
alexander3133
post May 20 2020, 06:12 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,716 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: JDT


QUOTE(santik @ May 19 2020, 08:56 PM)
Thank you for your reply.

Yours is the 4 blades or 5 blades version, 48" or 56"? The yuragi, natural wind, do you actually use them to simulate natural wind by speed up and down. I heard the more you on the easier the fan board to spoil.
*
Mine is 4 blades 56".
https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/air-s...an/f-m14hw.html

I seldom use the yuragi function. Tried using it while sleeping and got waken up by it because the wind noise is very high due to sudden speed up of the fan.
santik
post May 20 2020, 08:36 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: May 2010


Air circulator vs table fan what are the differences between them?

Anyone uses DC table fan or stand fan?
plouffle0789
post Mar 5 2024, 11:55 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,816 posts

Joined: May 2010

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 17 2020, 03:40 PM)
I never use bayu fan before, so can't compare.
Yes I am using this fan for my house, 4 units.

Thing I like about this fan is the lowest speed of this fan is really slow, because I don't like to have much wind blows at me when I am sleeping.
*
https://fan.my.panasonic.com/bayu-5-blade-c...an-f-m14dz-vbwh


This fan nice and cool wind come when rotate?
alexander3133
post Mar 5 2024, 12:10 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,716 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: JDT


QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Mar 5 2024, 11:55 AM)
https://fan.my.panasonic.com/bayu-5-blade-c...an-f-m14dz-vbwh
This fan nice and cool wind come when rotate?
*
I never use this fan before, so can't comment
plouffle0789
post Mar 5 2024, 12:44 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,816 posts

Joined: May 2010

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Mar 5 2024, 12:10 PM)
I never use this fan before, so can't comment
*
You use bayu fan right?

Nice?


alexander3133
post Mar 5 2024, 01:16 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,716 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: JDT


QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Mar 5 2024, 12:44 PM)
You use bayu fan right?

Nice?
*
I am not using Bayu fan, but using this fan:
https://fan.my.panasonic.com/econavi-4-blad...ing-fan-f-m14hw

5 Pages « < 3 4 5Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0180sec    0.42    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 29th November 2025 - 12:29 AM