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post May 19 2020, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(imin @ May 18 2020, 11:45 PM)
Wahh.. so this new DC model cannot last long? What's the point of buying them then
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LOL those who said dc ceiling fan useless must be never use inverter aircond before.

its 50% more efficient than AC, if ur house got 6 DC fan, u only pay like 3 AC fan.

example 40w * 6 = 240w. (this is highest speed for DC fan, produce 23X rpm).

the rest u calculate la, u use fan everyday, atleast 12 hours, if all eq in ur house is inverter, say example 3* 1hp inverter aircond, 1* 1.5hp inverter, 1 inverter fridge, 1 inverter washing machine, 2 inverter water heater, and 6 dc fan,


and use 5 fans, 4 aircond everyday for 8 hours, ur bill will only cost around rm250 - 300. I use all above except the dc fan, bill around rm250.

surely will use dc fan later for my new house
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also i compared the dc fan,

KDK is better than Panasonic in terms spec.

https://www.kdk.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2.../NikkoSensa.pdf

vs

https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/air-s...eiling-fan.html
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post May 19 2020, 08:55 AM

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You dont need inverter for fan because the speed of fan is always the same, unlike compressor aircon, you may gain some benefit from inverter by better control.of its compressor

This post has been edited by lopera199: May 19 2020, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ May 19 2020, 08:53 AM)
oh yeah, BTW some DC fan got LIFETIME warranty for motor, and atleast 10 YEARS for motor for most brands. so those who skeptical about inverter technology can use ur AC and pay TNB for their yearly bonus.
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QUOTE(lopera199 @ May 19 2020, 08:55 AM)
You dont need inverter for fan because the speed of fan is always the same, unlike compressor aircon, you may gain some benefit from inverter by better control.of its compressor
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u know inverter not that 1 concept only?? have u ever heard inverter oven? inverter washing machine? its proven to use less 50% energy and 5 star rating is very hard to obtain with old technology.
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post May 19 2020, 09:07 AM

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From what I understand from invertor is that if your equipments have electrical motors, compressors, you want precise control of that motors, than you use inverters, you gain efficiency, but not much so for a application that only required fixed speed

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pr0pofol
post May 19 2020, 09:07 AM

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check out this model
Alpha Vanus
cheaper DC fans, got 3 blades and 5 blades one
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post May 19 2020, 09:14 AM

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post May 19 2020, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(pr0pofol @ May 19 2020, 09:07 AM)
check out this model
Alpha Vanus
cheaper DC fans, got 3 blades and 5 blades one
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checked it not as efficient as KDK/Panasonic, abit low rpm and lesser speed control, only cheaper around rm100, Reliability also is unknown compared to KDK and Panasonic.
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post May 19 2020, 09:36 AM

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Ceiling fan no need inverter lah. Already power savings as it is.
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post May 19 2020, 09:37 AM

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Ceiling fan is an old tech.
You don't need inverter for that.
rickyro
post May 19 2020, 09:38 AM

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I buy jer 5 blades PANASONIC Yuragi... Hnnnggghhhh..

No. of blades higher, itu yang paling penting for a fan

This post has been edited by rickyro: May 19 2020, 09:39 AM
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post May 19 2020, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ May 19 2020, 09:27 AM)
checked it not as efficient as KDK/Panasonic, abit low rpm and lesser speed control, only cheaper around rm100, Reliability also is unknown compared to KDK and Panasonic.
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but look much nicer
KDK/Pana so apek looking
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post May 19 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ May 17 2020, 10:31 PM)
Can someone explain how inverter is power saving?

Ac > dc > ac = power saving?

Bukan ke if less steps better?

Ac> dc
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I think the inverter term is used without knowing what it is actually meant.

The inverter in electronics means the DC voltage is inverted into AC voltage. From AC to DC it is called convert. So, the opposite of convert is invert.

In case of DC fan, it is just fan that use DC motor. Some ads get people confused with inverter. It is not an inverter fan but just DC fan smile.gif

Like you said, it is just AC to DC. However, if it is just direct AC motor with no conversion, it should be more efficient laugh.gif ; but it is not due to to nature on how AC motor works.

The AC motor is works efficiently at its designed natural speed which I would say should be more efficient than DC motor, but when the AC fan speed is regulated to operate at various other speed, the efficiency drops thus makes it less efficient. Basically, the speed of an AC motor is dependent on the number of poles it has and the line frequency of the power supply, not on it’s voltage. The pole is created by AC current flowing in another set of coil winding. Since pole number is fixed in AC motor, the frequenct change is used to vary speed. That is why normally when ceiling fan is faulty, spoiled capacitor is normally the main suspect. Fan motor cannot turn smile.gif

Unlike AC motor, the DC fan is using permanent magnet to create pole. The motor the speed it regulated by controlling how much current flow through motor winding. This is why the control is precise and waste less energy.

There is no inverter involved here. The inverter is different thing. The inverter technology is used to control AC motor through PWM (Pulse Width Modulation). That is another story. This will make AC motor more efficient by being able to regulate power as required.
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post May 19 2020, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Theeban @ May 18 2020, 12:47 AM)
bayu is shit nowadays,the blades start rusting and humming sound
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My fan use fiber blade. No rust.

The humming sound usually because the slip capacitor is degraded already. I think replacing it can solve the problem. Something less than RM10.
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post May 19 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(foohoa @ May 17 2020, 03:05 PM)
celling fan consumption is low, no need inverter la
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This.

wth needs inverter for fan...adui.

Next you will need inverter for TV, your rice cooker and your semakphone.
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post May 19 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(rickyro @ May 19 2020, 09:38 AM)
I buy jer 5 blades PANASONIC Yuragi... Hnnnggghhhh..

No. of blades higher, itu yang paling penting for a fan
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Depends on size of room. If small room, less blades better. 3 is sufficient. Fans installer expert told me wan. Small room with too many blades caused wind feedback and more instability on the swing, making noise and unstableness.

If Living room, probably 5 blades is OK.
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QUOTE(imin @ May 18 2020, 12:45 AM)
Now this is quite informative, thanks. So if we have for fan running 12 hours++ a day,  in a month we can save about RM5 x 4 = RM20. In a year  RM240. Let's say we use the fan for 10 years, we can save RM2400... I thank that's a pretty good roi no?
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post May 19 2020, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ May 19 2020, 09:46 AM)
I think the inverter term is used without knowing what it is actually meant.

The inverter in electronics means the DC voltage is inverted into AC voltage. From AC to DC it is called convert. So, the opposite of convert is invert.

In case of DC fan, it is just fan that use DC motor. Some ads get people confused with inverter. It is not an inverter fan but just DC fan  smile.gif

Like you said, it is just AC to DC. However, if it is just direct AC motor with no conversion, it should be more efficient  laugh.gif ; but it is not due to to nature on how AC motor works.

The AC motor is works efficiently at its designed natural speed which I would say should be more efficient than DC motor, but when the AC fan speed is regulated to operate at various other speed, the efficiency drops thus makes it less efficient. Basically, the speed of an AC motor is dependent on the number of poles it has and the line frequency of the power supply, not on it’s voltage. The pole is created by AC current flowing in another set of coil winding. Since pole number is fixed in AC motor, the frequenct change is used to vary speed. That is why normally when ceiling fan is faulty, spoiled capacitor is normally the main suspect. Fan motor cannot turn  smile.gif

Unlike AC motor, the DC fan is using permanent magnet to create pole. The motor the speed it regulated by controlling how much current flow through motor winding. This is why the control is precise and waste less energy.

There is no inverter involved here. The inverter is different thing. The inverter technology is used to control AC motor through PWM (Pulse Width Modulation). That is another story. This will make AC motor more efficient by being able to regulate power as required.
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QUOTE(Zot @ May 19 2020, 11:13 AM)
My fan use fiber blade. No rust.

The humming sound usually because the slip capacitor is degraded already. I think replacing it can solve the problem. Something less than RM10.
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Next ceiling fan definitely fiber blade... tired of cleaning those rusty blades...

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