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Ramjade
post Jun 15 2024, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Jun 15 2024, 10:31 PM)
Good fund recommendation, now up11% since purchase on April24, huat.
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Don't worry. Will put more. Won't bother with EPF. Lol.
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post Jun 16 2024, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 15 2020, 01:28 PM)
Don't TRUST them. Only a handful beats EPF returns.
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Hehe. I like that.
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post Jun 17 2024, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 16 2024, 02:43 AM)
Hehe. I like that.
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It's TRUE!
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post Jun 17 2024, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 16 2024, 02:43 AM)
Hehe. I like that.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 17 2024, 08:34 AM)
It's TRUE!
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Choose wisely.
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post Jun 17 2024, 09:37 AM

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Then do frequently monitor and review of its performance against the ²current situation at that time and make wise decision about it based on the situation at that time.

Make wise decision about the need to change funds after that monitoring..

But Wise or not can only by tell after the facts....ha ha ha
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post Jun 17 2024, 09:53 AM

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Unit trust charge management fees yearly, could be substantial over many years.

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post Jun 17 2024, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 09:53 AM)
Unit trust charge management fees yearly, could be substantial over many years.
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Worth it if can give 10%p.a.nett fees

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post Jun 17 2024, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 17 2024, 09:59 AM)
Worth it if can give 10%p.a.nett fees
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Not many unit trust could deliver this consistently.

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post Jun 17 2024, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 17 2024, 09:37 AM)
Then do frequently monitor and review of its performance against the ²current situation at that time and make wise decision about it based on the situation at that time.

Make wise decision about the need to change funds after that monitoring..

But Wise or not can only by tell after the facts....ha ha ha
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Yes sadly, hindsight vision is always 20/20
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post Jun 17 2024, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 17 2024, 09:59 AM)
Worth it if can give 10%p.a.nett fees
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 11:26 AM)
Not many unit trust could deliver this consistently.
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if can consistently nett 10% pa, we dont need to work already.

Just use banks' money to make money.

start small RM1 million nett a year RM100k.

upscale to RM100million, get RM10M a year
just how much extra work is that?

If bank loan expensive come get it from here 6% no frills.


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post Jun 17 2024, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 17 2024, 01:57 PM)
if can consistently nett 10% pa,  we dont need to work already.

Just use banks' money to make money.

start small  RM1 million  nett a year RM100k.

upscale to RM100million, get RM10M a year
just how much extra work  is that?

If bank loan expensive come get it from here 6% no frills.
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According to wealth reports, only 4% of adults in this country have over USD 100k net worth. Also means less than 1% have RM 1m cash.
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post Jun 17 2024, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 17 2024, 01:57 PM)
if can consistently nett 10% pa,  we dont need to work already.

Just use banks' money to make money.

start small  RM1 million  nett a year RM100k.

upscale to RM100million, get RM10M a year
just how much extra work  is that?

If bank loan expensive come get it from here 6% no frills.
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I’m happy to say that even at 5% consistent interest I’m ready for full time retirement haha
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post Jun 17 2024, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 02:14 PM)
According to wealth reports, only 4% of adults in this country have over USD 100k net worth. Also means less than 1% have RM 1m cash.
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i meant to say go take bank loan..
not use own RM1 million saving.

If cant get RM 1 million loan ,take smaller loan also can
sure untung right?

sikit sikit lama lama jadi bukit


QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 17 2024, 02:30 PM)
I’m happy to say that even at 5% consistent interest I’m ready for full time retirement haha
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bro when your quantum is big enough, at 1% also you are ok.

imagine people with small quantum 10% dapat RM80k a year
you 1% also can dapat SD1 million a year.
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post Jun 17 2024, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 17 2024, 03:01 PM)
i meant to say go take bank loan..
not use own RM1 million saving.

If cant get RM 1 million loan ,take smaller loan also can
sure untung right?

sikit sikit lama lama jadi bukit
bro when your quantum is  big enough, at 1% also you are ok.

imagine people with small quantum 10% dapat RM80k a year
you 1% also can dapat SD1 million a year.
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Fair point. But nah, need a minimum 4% per annum to make sure I keep my head above the magical self set SGD1m mark (excluding our property returns)
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post Jun 17 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 15 2024, 11:00 PM)
Don't worry. Will put more. Won't bother with EPF. Lol.
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bro can give list of recommendations fund for EPF? besides KAF core
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post Jun 17 2024, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 11:26 AM)
Not many unit trust could deliver this consistently.
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Surprising quite a lot.

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 17 2024, 01:57 PM)
if can consistently nett 10% pa,  we dont need to work already.

Just use banks' money to make money.

start small  RM1 million  nett a year RM100k.

upscale to RM100million, get RM10M a year
just how much extra work  is that?

If bank loan expensive come get it from here 6% no frills.
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You can. It's up your risk factor lo. Loan need to pay off. If own money no bank going to come after you.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 17 2024, 03:24 PM)
bro can give list of recommendations fund for EPF? besides KAF core
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Actually a lot. Can check out FSM page. Fund selector. EPF approved fund. I will be waiting for them to enable back global titans (returns are lower than KAF core surprisingly). For me, I just buy one and stick with it. If the wheel ain't broken, don't change it.

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post Jun 17 2024, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 17 2024, 07:21 PM)
Surprising quite a lot.
You can. It's up your risk factor lo. Loan need to pay off. If own money no bank going to come after you.
Actually a lot. Can check out FSM page. Fund selector. EPF approved fund. I will be waiting for them to enable back global titans (returns are lower than KAF core surprisingly). For me, I just buy one and stick with it. If the wheel ain't broken, don't change it.
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These KAF CORE & GLOBAL titan?

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post Jun 17 2024, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 17 2024, 09:39 PM)
These KAF CORE & GLOBAL titan?

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Kaf core have managed min 10%p.a for I think 10 years already.

Principal global titans was one of the few fund with overseas exposure but disabled by EPF. Reason of disable Iusnure but I can only speculatr that they want people to invest locally. Just speculation cause that time ringgit dropping. I don't believe in coincidence in govt related policies.

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post Jun 17 2024, 10:05 PM

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The KAF core fund looks impressive!
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post Jun 17 2024, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 17 2024, 10:05 PM)
The KAF core fund looks impressive!
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I was shocked. For a Malaysian fund. It have been outperforming the EPF for years!!!

I maybe a DIY guy but if something is good, I will just pay them to do it for me.

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