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hungrygodzilla
post May 29 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 13 2020, 08:06 PM)
Nope. Now my house switches look like this
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Hahah please let me know if you find any that supports 20A or more. I'll update you if I know of any that supports high wattage too.
At the very start my requirement for the Connected Switch is the ability to be reliable and to integrate to Apple Homekit/Google Home, so I can add family members easily and they don't have to install a dedicated app like broadlink/xiaomi and register an account to take control.
I was considering Lutron Caseta switches... which cost around RM300-RM350... because of their reliability.
Then I seriously considered XiaoMi because Aqara is relatively affordable and can integrate to Homekit. But ultimately the lack of ethernet at the Hub, tons of reviews about intermittent connectivity and the max of 2 gang switches that cost around RM100 at the time I renovate made me chose Terncy instead.
I had a bad experience initially because I bought the Terncy switch from a non-official seller in Taobao to test in Malaysia before bulk purchasing. The app does not allow me to connect after trying for 2 hours+. Then I contacted the seller and the seller asked me to contact Terncy official store on Taobao myself.
To my surprise, their support is excellent and they even offer to send me another switch after I told them I reside in Malaysia and I can't return my original one. They reassure me that I don't have to return mine yet if the issue cannot be resolved. But thankfully it's just some firmware and app bugs.
With this kind of attitude I made my bet on them and bought 30+ switches at one go and they shave about 10% off the retail price which total around RM4k. When you take into account the 3-4gang prices its not that absurd when compared to the Aqara counterpart.

They are excellent. All my house switches are the neutral ones. They had been working so reliably for the past 6 months I have them and I have nothing to complain. Whenever I have any queries, their support is excellent and I always have my issues resolved in no time.
I feel like for a "smart home", the most important aspect and foundation is reliability and responsiveness, and Terncy really overachieved these two qualities and I think they are well worth the money I spent on them. I never ever have to try to restart the router or to tinker with the hub just to make things work in the past 6 months. The only "incident" I had is I bought a motion sensor from them and it came with a defect, and they promptly send me another one... Yeah.
I think currently my only complaint is the app is kinda... not optimised and not very user friendly. Little bugs here and there put me off from using their app as a daily driver. In this regards, Xiaomi one is probably better, but it doesn't matter if you use Google Home or Apple Homekit or HA.
I would recommend you to wait for them to have sales or discounts... or you can contact them via Shopee/taobao and see if they can offer you a discount if you doing bulk purchase.

As far as I know, Google Home local control and HomeAssistant is in development now and they will be released in the next few months? So if you need HA integration now I think the only option you have is Xiaomi one.
I haven't integrate into Google Home yet because local control is not possible.. and I am really spoilt with the speed and responsiveness of local control. hahaha will update once I get my Google Home running
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Just chatted with their sales support via Taobao
1. confirmed that it's not zigbee 3 certified, and it will be limited to xiaoyan/terncy ecosystem
2. they are not developing any integration to HA

Not sure if this sales too lazy to ask the relevant department or what, but somehow we got very diff answer for the same question.

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have been using no neutral aqara for almost a year already, so far still good, no neutral on my home phase and not doing reno soon
but i think main think terncy win like what you say 4gang n ethernet-connected hub if one required, plus point on region
but also important thing is unified frame work rather then brand loyalty is more important for swapping of device in future, and also local control
smart switches vs smart hub, i think for places like living hall i would have both if budget permits, but places like kitchen/bath/laundry can just use smart switches

QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ May 6 2020, 05:20 AM)
Interesting write-up. I have about 40 smart devices at home. Sonoff. Xiaomi. Alexa (4). Google. My unifi-provide tplink router was dying. So I upgraded my router to Asus mesh routers and connected my tplink to my main router and use the tplink dedicated to all my smart devices. It works like a charm and I can connect even more smart devices now without problem
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its better to link up the devices to the hub and have the hub talk to the network, then your network will not be congested

my personal setup (current and planned) is per below
lights>>yeelight bulb on stand lamp no smart plugs, all dumb light with smart switches
smart switches >> aqara switch to control lights and fans (my fan i dont change speed anyway)
sensors >> aqara based
cctv >> aqara g2H (coming soon)
security alarm >> linking aqara sensor to trigger BT speaker (planning for homepod), currently the hub is the siren
AC control >>no idea yet, prefer aqara AC companion but it come in dif plug while tado seems not my cup of tea
vacuum >> still looking
auto gate>>iSmartgate but maybe will just macgyver it with switch module.
blinds>> i like how terncy planning to release just to motor module, but i seen hacks using the aqara curtain to "auto" sliding windows
dead bolt>> maybe will used august / level lock

no homekit hub yet, but budgeting for it

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post May 29 2020, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 29 2020, 05:11 PM)
Just chatted with their sales support via Taobao
1. confirmed that it's not zigbee 3 certified, and it will be limited to xiaoyan/terncy ecosystem
2. they are not developing any integration to HA

Not sure if this sales too lazy to ask the relevant department or what, but somehow we got very diff answer for the same question.
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Sorry I think after some confirmation with the official shop:
1. They do support Zigbee 3.0, although had not certified. I had been using them with my Hue lights for quite some time now.. (Hue lights directly to the Terncy Hub)
2. HomeAssistant is going to be rolled out in a near future update. I talked to one of the backend engineer last time and they are already in the testing phase of the SDK.
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post May 29 2020, 08:38 PM

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have been using no neutral aqara for almost a year already, so far still good, no neutral on my home phase and not doing reno soon
but i think main think terncy win like what you say 4gang n ethernet-connected hub if one required, plus point on region
but also important thing is unified frame work rather then brand loyalty is more important for swapping of device in future, and also local control
smart switches vs smart hub, i think for places like living hall i would have both if budget permits, but places like kitchen/bath/laundry can just use smart switches
its better to link up the devices to the hub and have the hub talk to the network, then your network will not be congested

my personal setup (current and planned) is per below
lights>>yeelight bulb on stand lamp no smart plugs, all dumb light with smart switches
smart switches >> aqara switch to control lights and fans (my fan i dont change speed anyway)
sensors >> aqara based
cctv >> aqara g2H (coming soon)
security alarm >> linking aqara sensor to trigger BT speaker (planning for homepod), currently the hub is the siren
AC control >>no idea yet, prefer aqara AC companion but it come in dif plug while tado seems not my cup of tea
vacuum >> still looking
auto gate>>iSmartgate but maybe will just macgyver it with switch module.
blinds>> i like how terncy planning to release just to motor module, but i seen hacks using the aqara curtain to "auto" sliding windows

no homekit hub yet, but budgeting for it
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I think Aqara make great products, especially at the price they are at now. I like how they are pushing the market to release more affordable connected home products.
Yup and I recommend using dimmable and variable temperature bulb for living room and bedroom if possible (They are really life changers - look at gledopto if your budget is limited)
Depending on the number of CCTV you have, I would recommend you to use the IP cameras (Hikvision, Unifi protect etc) to store the footages because the non-IP ones usually not VERY reliable... because they can just remove the camera and leave with the footage, I am getting the Aqara G2H camera too, can't wait to try HomekitSecureVideo. For security alarm, I understand the thrill of getting smart ones but I really recommend getting an old wired reliable brand if possible. (My house had been broken in during CNY, and wired alarms can call your phone even you are out from home)
For smart switches, I think Aqara switches are great if your 2.4Ghz Wifi is reliable and not much interference, but it's impossible to get stable 2.4Ghz wifi in my area.
I swapped out the Autogate switches with a Terncy module and my whole family had never brought a key out for the last 6 months and we had never failed to open the door - That's how reliable the Terncy ones is - just because they use Ethernet connection. From reviews online and my friend's house that also use Aqara- changing to Terncy, I don't think Aqara can beat Terncy on both reliability and responsiveness if the 2.4Ghz connection is not stable. And now the Terncy switches are like RM50 off promotion each model in their Shopee shop and at this price point, I would recommend anyone who hadn't bought their smart switches to get the Terncy ones (Bonus: They work with smart light bulbs by providing constant power). I could've save 1k+ if only I had bought it a couple months late bangwall.gif
Aqara has many more sensors compared to Terncy, planning to use the G2H camera as a hub and get some sensors to test haha
I am getting the Terncy blinds for my room and my brother room soon. Will update when I have it installed...
But anyway, great choice there! Do look out for deals for the HomePod in the United States (try to use a transhipping company), I got one new HomePod for RM750.... just a few months ago on a Costco deal.
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my house already had old style cctv buit in, those using coaxial which im not keen to rewired it with PoE IP cable, there for will adding the G2H as extra as i can slot it as additional lens in the (locked) cctv casing.

2.4ghz wifi is ok, though not as big mine still have to covered 36oosqft but only 2 levels so that is alright. it was an issue earlier due to signal angle

good tip on homepod, will have a lookout for it

QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 4 2020, 07:59 AM)
Control autogate (Terncy Switch Module) with Apple Home app, can use Siri and control outside from wifi network. TV and other home lightings  (Philips Hue Lightstrip) change color indicating gate has been opened (Terncy Door Sensor). Change back to original state after check TV is on or not (LG OLED B9) (white/off) when gate is closed.
https://youtu.be/UQV2US6nkb4
mind sharing how the switch module connect? i believe the terncy switch module is similar to the aqara wireless relay switch module, if so then perhaps i'll hook it as those are homekit certified too

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 29 2020, 08:22 PM)
Sorry I think after some confirmation with the official shop:
1. They do support Zigbee 3.0, although had not certified. I had been using them with my Hue lights for quite some time now.. (Hue lights directly to the Terncy Hub)
2. HomeAssistant is going to be rolled out in a near future update. I talked to one of the backend engineer last time and they are already in the testing phase of the SDK.
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I think they really need to train their customer service, they way their CS answer me really dont give me any confidence. Good thing is my house CCC is affected by MCO, so still got a few months to go before CCC and defect checking, if by then xiaoyan can get the Homeassistant sorted out then i will probably opt for xiaoyan brand for blinds and switch.

But again, see the price still a bit hati sakit.
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QUOTE(razr_sped @ May 30 2020, 09:06 AM)
my house already had old style cctv buit in, those using coaxial which im not keen to rewired it with PoE IP cable, there for will adding the G2H as extra as i can slot it as additional lens in the (locked) cctv casing.

2.4ghz wifi is ok, though not as big mine still have to covered 36oosqft but only 2 levels so that is alright. it was an issue earlier due to signal angle

good tip on homepod, will have a lookout for it
mind sharing how the switch module connect? i believe the terncy switch module is similar to the aqara wireless relay switch module, if so then perhaps i'll hook it as those are  homekit certified too
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There is EOC(Ethernet over coaxial) with POE available to replace analog to ipc. Been using more than 2 years no issue. Can even daisy chain to add in up to 7 ipc but max I tested was 4 only.
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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 30 2020, 12:22 PM)
I think they really need to train their customer service, they way their CS answer me really dont give me any confidence. Good thing is my house CCC is affected by MCO, so still got a few months to go before CCC and defect checking, if by then xiaoyan can get the Homeassistant sorted out then i will probably opt for xiaoyan brand for blinds and switch.

But again, see the price still a bit hati sakit.
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The customer service agent is in the team and had told me that they did not deny HomeAssistant support. Maybe you had asked a reseller instead? Their official shop is this:
https://xiaoyankeji.tmall.com
Their Terncy shop in Shopee is also having a promotion with MYR50 off every switch now.... pricing almost like Xiaomi.. just bought a couple for a friend bangwall.gif bangwall.gif bangwall.gif Kinda upset that I bought a couple months ago but can't complain cause use half year d, could've saved 1k+ there

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QUOTE(razr_sped @ May 30 2020, 09:06 AM)
my house already had old style cctv buit in, those using coaxial which im not keen to rewired it with PoE IP cable, there for will adding the G2H as extra as i can slot it as additional lens in the (locked) cctv casing.

2.4ghz wifi is ok, though not as big mine still have to covered 36oosqft but only 2 levels so that is alright. it was an issue earlier due to signal angle

good tip on homepod, will have a lookout for it
mind sharing how the switch module connect? i believe the terncy switch module is similar to the aqara wireless relay switch module, if so then perhaps i'll hook it as those are  homekit certified too
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Sorry I did not see your question yesterday. Lemme try to look up the schematics and I'll update my circuit here when I find it.
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QUOTE(razr_sped @ May 30 2020, 09:06 AM)
my house already had old style cctv buit in, those using coaxial which im not keen to rewired it with PoE IP cable, there for will adding the G2H as extra as i can slot it as additional lens in the (locked) cctv casing.

2.4ghz wifi is ok, though not as big mine still have to covered 36oosqft but only 2 levels so that is alright. it was an issue earlier due to signal angle

good tip on homepod, will have a lookout for it
mind sharing how the switch module connect? i believe the terncy switch module is similar to the aqara wireless relay switch module, if so then perhaps i'll hook it as those are  homekit certified too
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This is how I connect mine. I think it's best to send your schematic to the official shop seller (either at Taobao or Shopee) and their engineer would work out and see how can yours be connected.
Keep in mind that they appear as switches instead of door in Homekit, but nonetheless worked quite well for me (able to open one door - left or right, two doors - which is not possible with ismartgate)
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QUOTE(adamw @ May 30 2020, 05:08 PM)
There is EOC(Ethernet over coaxial) with POE available to replace analog to ipc. Been using more than 2 years no issue. Can even daisy chain to add in up to 7 ipc but max I tested was 4 only.
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any recommendation, tried searching lazada/shopee macam no avail
thx for the info

QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 30 2020, 09:56 PM)
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This is how I connect mine. I think it's best to send your schematic to the official shop seller (either at Taobao or Shopee) and their engineer would work out and see how can yours be connected.
Keep in mind that they appear as switches instead of door in Homekit, but nonetheless worked quite well for me (able to open one door - left or right, two doors - which is not possible with ismartgate)
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thx for the info, but i see there is suppose two physical switch how would it control left or right?
i suppose one switch should be one side, the the other switch is both side.
for ismartgate to control both gate, you need the pro version i suppose as the standard on have one switch for one door, pro has 3.
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QUOTE(razr_sped @ May 30 2020, 11:39 PM)
any recommendation, tried searching lazada/shopee macam no avail
thx for the info

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 30 2020, 08:47 PM)
The customer service agent is in the team and had told me that they did not deny HomeAssistant support. Maybe you had asked a reseller instead? Their official shop is this:
https://xiaoyankeji.tmall.com
Their Terncy shop in Shopee is also having a promotion with MYR50 off every switch now.... pricing almost like Xiaomi.. just bought a couple for a friend bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif Kinda upset that I bought a couple months ago but can't complain cause use half year d, could've saved 1k+ there
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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 30 2020, 08:47 PM)
The customer service agent is in the team and had told me that they did not deny HomeAssistant support. Maybe you had asked a reseller instead? Their official shop is this:
https://xiaoyankeji.tmall.com
Their Terncy shop in Shopee is also having a promotion with MYR50 off every switch now.... pricing almost like Xiaomi.. just bought a couple for a friend bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif Kinda upset that I bought a couple months ago but can't complain cause use half year d, could've saved 1k+ there
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Also can i trouble you to list down all the switches you use in your house? breakdown by rooms. The terncy look like pretty good price to buy now, but im not sure how many i need for the terrace house, will like to ref your set up and plus / minus according to my needs.

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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 31 2020, 07:16 PM)
Also can i trouble you to list down all the switches you use in your house? breakdown by rooms. The terncy look like pretty good price to buy now, but im not sure how many i need for the terrace house, will like to ref your set up and plus / minus according to my needs.
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I asked them in the group and the response is because there are many competitors out there that pretend to be customer and ask them about future roadmaps, so they would not disclose it in the public on an official channel. If you are interested you can talk to the Taobao/Shopee seller to join the group (usually they will ask you if you interested after you purchase their products) and you can talk directly to the people who are responsible for the app/product.

Keep in mind if you don't know what gang to buy let say 2 OR 3 gang, you can always buy the upper gang, because the extra gang can be turned off and change into a programmable settings via the app and the price difference is negligible.

For me it's master bedroom x 2
1 x 4gang - lights x2, fans, cabinet light (activated via door sensor),ventilator
1 x 3gang - toilet lights + ventilators
1 x 1gang - bedside lamp + remap the other 3 gangs to turn off room lights/ outside lights/ or turn on toilet lights

Other rooms
1 x 4 gang - lights x2, ventilatorsx1, fanx1 (For lights my room ONLY use hue lights so I allow continuous power to the lights and make the lights bright/dim using the programmable button settings, other members of the family not interested)
1 x 1 gang (not all room) beside the bed - bedside lamp, map the other gangs to turn on the lights outside/toilet lights etc

Toilet lights
1 x 3 gang - lights x 2 , ventilator x 1, extra button use to turn off everything/ turn on stairs lights

Stairs
1 x 2 gang

Living room
6 x 4 gangs - my living room is like two terrace house combine so quite side, switches on both sides so 3 each side. 1 x fan, other lights (all set to be programmable so some can on the TV.., some play songs on the HomePod, some dim the room, some brighten the room, some turn off everything so just have to press that when leaving home)

Dining room
2 x 4 gang - fans, light strip, hue lights (all programmable except for fan)
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Kitchen
1 x 3 gang - light light strip ventilator

Hallway
4 x 4 gang - lights lights lights for each side + hallway fans

Should be around like that but my house have like... 8 rooms in total? Because it's like two adjacent terrace house combined..



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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 31 2020, 08:29 PM)
I asked them in the group and the response is because there are many competitors out there that pretend to be customer and ask them about future roadmaps, so they would not disclose it in the public on an official channel. If you are interested you can talk to the Taobao/Shopee seller to join the group (usually they will ask you if you interested after you purchase their products) and you can talk directly to the people who are responsible for the app/product.

Keep in mind if you don't know what gang to buy let say 2 OR 3 gang, you can always buy the upper gang, because the extra gang can be turned off and change into a programmable settings via the app and the price difference is negligible.

For me it's master bedroom x 2
1 x 4gang - lights x2, fans, cabinet light (activated via door sensor),ventilator
1 x 3gang - toilet lights + ventilators
1 x 1gang - bedside lamp + remap the other 3 gangs to turn off room lights/ outside lights/ or turn on toilet lights

Other rooms
1 x 4 gang - lights x2, ventilatorsx1, fanx1 (For lights my room ONLY use hue lights so I allow continuous power to the lights and make the lights bright/dim using the programmable button settings, other members of the family not interested)
1 x 1 gang (not all room) beside the bed - bedside lamp, map the other gangs to turn on the lights outside/toilet lights etc

Toilet lights
1 x 3 gang - lights x 2 , ventilator x 1, extra button use to turn off everything/ turn on stairs lights

Stairs
1 x 2 gang

Living room
6 x 4 gangs - my living room is like two terrace house combine so quite side, switches on both sides so 3 each side. 1 x fan, other lights (all set to be programmable so some can on the TV.., some play songs on the HomePod, some dim the room, some brighten the room, some turn off everything so just have to press that when leaving home)

Dining room
2 x 4 gang - fans, light strip, hue lights (all programmable except for fan)
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Kitchen
1 x 3 gang - light light strip ventilator

Hallway
4 x 4 gang - lights lights lights for each side + hallway fans

Should be around like that but my house have like... 8 rooms in total? Because it's like two adjacent terrace house combined..
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Get the one with neutral wires right?

Also got the number of gang im a bit puzzled, for normal switch 1-4 gang related to the number of switch on the plate itself, but this product seems to only have the 4 switch design, meaning 1 gang = 4 switch on the plate that does 1 thing only? or is it they have diff switch for diff gang count?

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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 31 2020, 09:09 PM)
Get the one with neutral wires right?

Also got the number of gang im a bit puzzled, for normal switch 1-4 gang related to the number of switch on the plate itself, but this product seems to only have the 4 switch design, meaning 1 gang = 4 switch on the plate that does 1 thing only? or is it they have diff switch for diff gang count?
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For all the switches with 1-4 gangs, there are four buttons. So let say you buy 1 gang one, the rest 3 can be programmed to do something else like turn on the outside lights/ turn off everything downstairs etc
The 4 gang one does not have a programmable button unless you have smart lighting then you can allow continuous power OR you didn't use all 4 gangs, then can turn off one gang and make it into a programmable button
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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 31 2020, 09:09 PM)
Get the one with neutral wires right?

Also got the number of gang im a bit puzzled, for normal switch 1-4 gang related to the number of switch on the plate itself, but this product seems to only have the 4 switch design, meaning 1 gang = 4 switch on the plate that does 1 thing only? or is it they have diff switch for diff gang count?
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Yes get the ones with neutral wire
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QUOTE(hungrygodzilla @ May 31 2020, 09:09 PM)
Get the one with neutral wires right?

Also got the number of gang im a bit puzzled, for normal switch 1-4 gang related to the number of switch on the plate itself, but this product seems to only have the 4 switch design, meaning 1 gang = 4 switch on the plate that does 1 thing only? or is it they have diff switch for diff gang count?
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get neutral if u have neutral, wont work with most house in Malaysia as its extra cost for contractor when building houses

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QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 31 2020, 09:21 PM)
For all the switches with 1-4 gangs, there are four buttons. So let say you buy 1 gang one, the rest 3 can be programmed to do something else like turn on the outside lights/ turn off everything downstairs etc
The 4 gang one does not have a programmable button unless you have smart lighting then you can allow continuous power OR you didn't use all 4 gangs, then can turn off one gang and make it into a programmable button
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Ok noted, so basically just get the 4 gangs whenever possible? since i can just not connect the wires and program the button instead, one last thing, without internet those i connected with wires will still work like a normal switch right?

QUOTE(kokhoong0624 @ May 31 2020, 09:26 PM)
Yes get the ones with neutral wire
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QUOTE(razr_sped @ Jun 1 2020, 05:06 AM)
get neutral if u have neutral, wont work with most house in Malaysia as its extra cost for contractor when building houses
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Lucky it's gonna be a new house, so i'll make sure everything point is connected to neutral.



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