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post Aug 9 2007, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Aug 8 2007, 10:12 PM)
so the stewards did not accept Mclaren explanation and that doesnt mean that Mclaren lied. Like if i dont accept your explanation for example, doesnt mean that you are lying.

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actually its not that hard.

FIA view their entire radio conversation. Looking and how McLaren pit wall personal reacted, I'm sure you do know too that they would have go on the radio and tell Alonso to go. That's all the FIA need, the order to move.

Alonso did not. That means he's guilty of breaching the rules on impeding other driver.

Now McLaren did NOT admit that Alonso acted on his on. By doing so, whatever cover up story that they say will not be true, if it's not true, its a lie.

The decision was a very simple decision base on their radio communication. McLaren shouldn't attempt to say anything that contradict the actual radio conversation they had with Alonso but I guess they did. That was the problem.

ps: unlike what some fans believe, Mclaren actually did stick up for Alonso. They defended him, and paid the price.

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post Aug 9 2007, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Aug 9 2007, 11:25 AM)

FIA view their entire radio conversation. Looking and how McLaren pit wall personal reacted, I'm sure you do know too that they would have go on the radio and tell Alonso to go. That's all the FIA need, the order to move.

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once again, i have to say sauce please. tongue.gif AFAIK the stewards dont have the privy to hear team communications.
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post Aug 9 2007, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Aug 8 2007, 11:13 PM)
Then Massa and Kimi drive MotoGP  rclxms.gif
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according to Rossi best lap time when drive F2005 at Maranello,he just +2.0 behind Schumi(who drive F2006),he really have potential to be F1 driver
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F2005?? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif isn't that is a V10 instead of V8? 2.0 second?? that is a lot man.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Aug 9 2007, 08:49 AM)
EDIT : No one here subsribe to F1 Racing mag? or you guys read other mag?
i only will buy when i like d content....amcorp mall got a shop selling RM9.90 for d UK edition wan.....
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post Aug 9 2007, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Aug 9 2007, 12:39 PM)
F2005?? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif  isn't that is a V10 instead of V8? 2.0 second??  that is a lot man..  tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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but remember one thing,that is 1st time Rossi drive F1 car while Schumi has experience >14 years drive F1 car brows.gif
Rossi is faster learner,remember when he join WRC,he get no11 of ??(i dont remember how many driver,maybe 17)
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post Aug 9 2007, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(faris21 @ Aug 9 2007, 01:55 PM)
but remember one thing,that is 1st time Rossi drive F1 car while Schumi has experience >14 years drive F1 car brows.gif
Rossi is faster learner,remember when he join WRC,he get no11 of ??(i dont remember how many driver,maybe 17)
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imho, modern F1 cars are easy to drive with TC and all the gizmo. I wonder how would he fare on a normal F1 track
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Aug 9 2007, 11:44 AM)
once again, i have to say sauce please.  tongue.gif AFAIK the stewards dont have the privy to hear team communications.
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post Aug 9 2007, 02:19 PM

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thanks for the article TOYO smile.gif smile.gif Autopsort is one of mags i read if i have the time to find one.

so from the article we now know that FIA only can hear teams' radio communication while the cars is on track.
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Aug 9 2007, 02:19 PM)
thanks for the article TOYO smile.gif smile.gif Autopsort is one of mags i read if i have the time to find one.

so from the article we now know that FIA only can hear teams' radio communication while the cars is on track.
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thanks to jigc actually notworthy.gif ... from the article, wahh so twisted laaa... poor alonso mad.gif
hamilton began to show his true color...
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post Aug 9 2007, 05:42 PM

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Alonso not quitting McLaren - Abad[/SIZE]
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Fernando Alonso's manager has played down press speculation that the disgruntled reigning world champion could immediately quit McLaren.

With the 26-year-old Spaniard's relationship with the Mercedes-powered outfit at an all time low after the Hungarian Grand Prix, his manager Luis Garcia Abad told the newspaper El Pais that Alonso is not planning to leave McLaren any time soon.

Spanish newspapers had also reported that Abad recently met with Renault's Flavio Briatore about a possible return for Alonso to the French team, but he insists: "We are in McLaren to win races and the third title.

"That's our goal. And in these moments there aren't that many options: just McLaren and Ferrari.

Abad said he spoke to Dennis earlier this week to clarify reports that the Woking team's principal told Alonso in Hungary that he is now free to walk away from his three-year contract at the end of the season.

"He told me what has been published is not true. His intention is that the contract is fulfilled," said Abad.
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Its already unlikely that Alonso will be leaving the McLaren team at the start of the "rumor-rumor"...
He has a contract to fulfill and most of all, the MP4-22 seems to be the better car for now...
Why leave?!
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why leave when other teams are still slow..
maybe when other teams catch upbut now only 2 teams (mcclarens and ferrari) are at the best speed out there...
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Aug 9 2007, 11:44 AM)
once again, i have to say sauce please.  tongue.gif AFAIK the stewards dont have the privy to hear team communications.
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It was mention in many article regarding the news about steward investigating the case

Anyway here's one that I can find, from ITV website. It's a news anyway, so shouldn't be a problem which webpage it came from

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40276

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After qualifying McLaren boss Ron Dennis was summoned by the stewards, who are reviewing the incident and radio transmissions between the team and both drivers.
They have access to all radio communication for investigation purpose.
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post Aug 9 2007, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Aug 9 2007, 09:01 PM)
It was mention in many article regarding the news about steward investigating the case

Anyway here's one that I can find, from ITV website. It's a news anyway, so shouldn't be a problem which webpage it came from

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40276
They have access to all radio communication for investigation purpose.
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Thanks for the sauce hornet. But this article, imo, paints a clearer picture of what has happened :

http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&PO_ID=40284

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THE STEWARDS' VERDICT

During the final minutes of qualifying, the car driven by Fernando Alonso remained in its pit stop position at the completion of his pit stop notwithstanding the fact that his team-mate Lewis Hamilton was waiting immediately behind him to commence his own pit stop.


The delay prevented Hamilton from being able to complete his final flying lap of qualifying.


The team principal, together with the team manager and both drivers, were called before the Stewards and asked to explain their actions.


Reference was made to video and audio evidence. The facts and the explanation given by the team are as follows:


At the commencement of the third period of the qualifying practice it had been agreed within the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team ("the team") that Fernando Alonso would leave the pit exit ahead of Lewis Hamilton in order to benefit from the possibility for purposes of fuel burn allowance of being able to complete an additional lap.


In the event, the car driven by Lewis Hamilton arrived at the pit exit before that of Fernando Alonso and when the pit lane opened he left in front of Alonso.


The team required Hamilton by radio communication to allow Alonso to pass in order that he might endeavour to complete his extra lap.


Because of the proximity of the Ferrari driven by Kimi Raikkonen, however, Hamilton declined to allow Alonso to pass despite repeated requests from the team to do so.


Reference to the radio communications passing between the team and its two drivers shows that the team told Hamilton at 14:56:44 to "box this lap" and required him to do a "hard in-lap" but advised him some 32 seconds later to "slow the pace a little, just lose a couple of seconds before the end of the lap because Fernando is pitting in front of you".


At 14:57:34, just 18 seconds later, Alonso was told that when he pitted "we are going to hold you for 20 seconds".

At 14:57:46 Alonso's car arrived at his pit stop position, his tyres were changed and the jacks removed just 6 seconds later.


The car then remained in position from 14:57:52 to 14:58:12 when the signal known as the "lollipop" was raised indicating that the driver was free to leave.


By this time Hamilton's car had arrived and stopped immediately behind that of Alonso.


Alonso, instead of leaving his pit in order that his team-mate Hamilton could complete his pit stop, remained in position for a further 10 seconds.


He then left the pit lane in sufficient time to reach the Control Line before the end of qualifying, completed a flying lap in which he set the fastest time and secured pole position.


Because of the delay caused by Alonso, Hamilton was unable to complete his pit stop in time sufficient to enable him also to complete a flying lap.


The team were asked to explain why, having indicated to Hamilton that he must stop at his pit on the next lap, they then informed Alonso whilst he was still on the track that when he also pitted on the next lap he would be held for 20 seconds.


The team stated that they frequently give estimates as to duration of pit stop to their drivers before they pit and that the reason the car was in fact held for 20 seconds was that it was being counted down prior to release at a beneficial time regard being given to other cars on the track.


Alonso was asked why he waited for some 10 seconds before leaving the pits after being given the signal to leave. His response was that he was enquiring as to whether the correct set of tyres had been fitted to his car.


When asked why this conversation did not take place during the 20-second period when his car sat stationary all work on it having been completed, it was stated that it was not possible to communicate by radio because of the countdown being given to him.


Reference to the circuit map shows that at the time Alonso was told he would be held for 20 seconds there were but 4 cars on the circuit, his own and those of Fisichella, Hamilton and Raikkonen.


All but Raikkonen entered the pits such that there can have been no necessity to keep Alonso in the pits for 20 seconds waiting for a convenient gap in traffic in which to leave.


The explanation given by Alonso as to why at the expiration of the 20 second period he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10 seconds is not accepted.


The Stewards find that he unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of 5 grid positions.


The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is not accepted.


The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally.


The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula 1 constructors' championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn.


The team is reminded of its right of appeal.





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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 9 2007, 01:25 AM)
Ferrari deal for Alonso unlikely
History between Alonso and Jean Todt
Link ~ http://www.f1-live.com

Irvine slams 'disrespectful' Lewis
Link ~ http://www.itv-f1.com

Drivers to enjoy August break
Some rest and relaxation for all
Link ~ http://www.f1-live.com

Haug confident Alonso will stay
''We have a valid contract''
Link ~ http://www.f1-live.com

Jordan: `Lewis must tread carefully`
Link ~ http://www.planet-f1.com
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True, Lewis showing his real colours now. What a stuck up snob! Now I'm just waiting to see how all this play out through the year...

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Hamilton has Alonso rattled, says Hakkinen
Rookie speed difficult for Alonso to accept
Link ~ http://www.f1-live.com

Hakkinen rules out wild rumours
No more F1 for the former champion
Link ~ http://www.f1-live.com




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hakinen is a awesoem driver...
great skills and attitude (too bad his alst season was super bad luck)
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post Aug 10 2007, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Aug 10 2007, 12:56 AM)
hakinen is a awesoem driver...
great skills and attitude (too bad his alst season was super bad luck)
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Yes.
But he felt that Michael Schumacher and Ferrari is just too difficult to catch.
He hang his helmet tongue.gif

He's kind of like Alonso in a way.
Talented driver and full of luck.
He won in 1998 by one point to Irvine.
In 1999...Schumacher broken his leg...thus Hakkinen won the title with a pretty huge gap.
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 10 2007, 01:34 AM)
Yes.
But he felt that Michael Schumacher and Ferrari is just too difficult to catch.
He hang his helmet  tongue.gif

He's kind of like Alonso in a way.
Talented driver and full of luck.
He won in 1998 by one point to Irvine.
In 1999...Schumacher broken his leg...thus Hakkinen won the title with a pretty huge gap.
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LOL... oh please... Hakkinen retired because he cant catch Ferrari and Schumi? The 2001 McLaren was unreliable imho and bad luck always hit that year. How many race he retired in 2001?

Talented driver and full of luck? you better read some more bout hakkinen lar bro
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Hakkinen fan upset? rolleyes.gif tongue.gif

Well, you said it yourself...unreliable McLaren tongue.gif
Luck in F1...his double WDC...opppsss laugh.gif
I mean luck in a positive way...less reliability issues etc.
Not the luck in terms of mockering other favorite F1 driver.
Jangan fanatic marah ha... tongue.gif

Overall as a race car driver...I admit he is talented icon_rolleyes.gif

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