F***ing Alonso waited for Kimi to cross the line and he went out infront of Kimi's 2nd hot lap. That guy should be ban from F1

c'mon, he brake tested kimi throughout the fuel burning phase, that's f***ing unsportsmanlike. he exited right infront of Kimi when Kimi started his 2nd hot lap. And the plot gets thicker when Lewis, if I'm not mistaken, miss out his 2nd flying lap.

Hindering your competitor is an offense against FIA rule. Hindering your own team mate? He should be shown the exit door by Ron.

It's pathetic. He can't beat Lewis and had to hold him up.

Sure, its fine to hold up your team mate in pits, right?

which Kimi did. It's not about braking, it's brake testing, which they intentionally brake earlier than the normal braking point.

But it doesn't matter, Ferrari have handling issues anyway and the car isn't a front row car this week.

And just for a point you mention in McLaren thread, it's not about others bashing McLaren on this incident. Nobody bash McLaren on this one. Look at how furious Ron is.

If it was the team's decision, everyone would have remain clam. They didn't. They were caught by surprise on Alonso's action. After all, this is McLaren, the team with both their driver at the front of the championship hunt. I don't believe they would make any timing mistake that cost Lewis his 2nd hot lap, no way that will happen. Even the back end teams doesn't make such mistake.

Of course at the same time, Ron cannot come out and say their drivers are killing each other. What alonso did wasn't good for the team's image.

I think that's a little harsh on the team though. Unless the entire team plotted against Lewis (which I don't think so), they shouldn't be punish. Instead, Alonso should be the one not allow to score points. Should have sent Alonso to the back of the grid.

Yes. drivers will still get their points, but not the team.

Anyway McLaren will appeal that decision on the points. Their problem is they do not admit that alonso did it on purpose, so that means they lied and their reason not accepted by the stewards. Had they not do that, I think they would have not gotten that penalty.

Maybe the will appeal and admit that Alonso did this on his own and the team wasn't involve in it.

Congratz to Lewis hamilton. A well deserve win.

and starsports is more like a commercial channel, with F1 broadcast as their break.

That's pretty much expected.
That's the way F1 business gets about. You cannot be a Mr. Nice Guy in F1. And there's no such thing a a dream team of two heroes, cause F1 heroes don't share their territory.

Lewis will stay. i expect Alonso to be the one looking elsewhere, maybe a BMW, or back to Renault. Ferrari is his next best option after McLaren performance wise, but Kimi and Massa is there, I doubt he'll get along with them. Alonso is the kind of guy that needs a team being build around him, and he cannot have a team mate that's faster than him. Lewis on the other hand, feels that he's a top driver now and should be given priority too (thus as Alonso claimed, he disobeyed team orders to allow Alonso start Q3 ahead of him.)

Ron's squeeze between these two drives who wants the same thing, that is to be no.1 driver in the team. He can't pull any magic to solve this one.

if i'm not mistaken, should McLaren lose the appeal, they can be penalize. Since they are still leading, there's no reason for them to do so anyway. i'm sure they are not going to appeal.

He probably thought the team did it intentionally.

he was told to allow alonso to start Q3 in front of him. he didn't like it obviously, and disobey the order. Alonso didn't like Lewis action in turn, and probably intentionally impede lewis. Of course lewis wouldn't know what's going on, because as usual, drivers always wait for the team to tell them when to leave. lewis might had though the team did that instead.

Now yes, Lewis did a mistake by not exactly following team's instructions. But does that gives alonso the right to break FIA rules, to impede a driver?

Me, the answer is no. Let the team deal with Lewis, why go break the rules and get himself penalize? It's not up to Alonso to punish Lewis, and there's no justification to breaking rules and impeding other driver.

Just because Lewis did something wrong, doesn't mean its ok for Alonso to do something wrong too

I don't think McLaren will let him go. Also, Kimi is a happier man at Ferrari here.

lol, not to put it that way. Its true Alonso wasn't the only cause to that problem, but he surely did contributed to it. Had he not reacted that way, he would have been just fine. Like I've mention earlier, impeding a driver is wrong, regardless of the motivation. But I find it unacceptable when someone does that to a team mate.

As far as I know about the investigation, they listen to all communication between the team and the driver, so I believe they concluded things from there. All they need is just to listen to the team telling Alonso to go but he refuse. looking at how Ron vented his anger at Alonso's trainer, I'm sure the team didnt just sit there silently watching alonso not moving. Maybe, just a guess.

But anyway Alonso is not a happy man in McLaren. I'd be surprise he stays there next year. Renault would be a better place for him. His few years there, he's much happier than he is now.

lol we're open for discussion. Feel free to post your own point of view. Of course you can't just say anyone who disagree with you is alonso hater, everyone have their own point of view if we just agrees with each other, then there's nothing to discuss anymore

This post has been edited by Hornet: Aug 7 2007, 05:12 PM

actually its not that hard.

FIA view their entire radio conversation. Looking and how McLaren pit wall personal reacted, I'm sure you do know too that they would have go on the radio and tell Alonso to go. That's all the FIA need, the order to move.

Alonso did not. That means he's guilty of breaching the rules on impeding other driver.

Now McLaren did NOT admit that Alonso acted on his on. By doing so, whatever cover up story that they say will not be true, if it's not true, its a lie.

The decision was a very simple decision base on their radio communication. McLaren shouldn't attempt to say anything that contradict the actual radio conversation they had with Alonso but I guess they did. That was the problem.

ps: unlike what some fans believe, Mclaren actually did stick up for Alonso. They defended him, and paid the price.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Aug 9 2007, 11:26 AM

It was mention in many article regarding the news about steward investigating the case

Anyway here's one that I can find, from ITV website. It's a news anyway, so shouldn't be a problem which webpage it came from

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40276

They have access to all radio communication for investigation purpose.

then again Renault isn't any faster than BMW. Ferrari and McLaren are the winning cars and BMW is the next best team after these two, they are scoring podiums finish.

But I hope BMW will keep Nick and Kubica

that's why they are pushing for night race. If not, it'll be just another boring monaco race

Guess what
If you wants people to only agrees with you and say stuff that you likes to hear, forum is not a place for you. Try talking to so bot chat or something

Till then, shove it up and learn to accept other's point of view.

If you thinks so, then don't judge others and try to be sarcastic against others when you thinks that you can say whatever you want as much as others can say what they want, cause from your attitude, it certainly shows you're deeply affected by other's comments too.

I'm sure such attitude is welcome at a McLaren forum, but this is a thread for all F1 fans, and although yes I can see most of you guys here are all McLaren fans, but hey, respect other users too. You don't have to respect their comments, but respect others as a user. If you disagree, debate on it instead of throwing a tantrum and trying to be sarcastic.

that's right, he's wrong too.. but I don't think one person being wrong means others can do so too...

I just think this thread should be more neutral. I came here for latest news and now suddenly everyone here's bashing each other lol

ps: on a side note, I agree that whatever use from the document mclaren got would have been useless by now. Lots of development went on ever since Ferrari found out and put a stop to their traitor.

A sign that he's going to Renault?
Papers reported that he might consider retirement, but I think he's still too young to be doing so, unless his passion in F1 is fading.

That's right. Astro will never take action for customer complains, just like other local monopolizing company. They just send the complains into the recycle bin
But writing to papers will have impact on their PR as the public will reads it

I think Alonso himself said he comply with FIA investigation right? He said that he will cooperate if needed to to ensure that he's not being penalize whatever happens. He has nothing to hide for the team, and I think he did gave the FIA something, whatever it was.

Alonso wants to drive next year, with or without McLaren. There's no love lost between him and the team and I think Ron only have himself to be blame for that.