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calodin
post Apr 18 2020, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Apr 15 2020, 04:45 AM)
Alright.. this story was happened in 2004, it was my first time witnessing an exorcism. My youngest aunt from my mother side(mother’s youngest sister) was only 21 years old when she shocked the heck out of everyone with her new “boyfriend”. She was a fair young woman, but very quiet and shy, excel in study(she’s a Phd holder now, married and lives in Hamburg).... That Christmas she returned back home to spent the holiday with family and hang out with her old friend for 2 weeks, for the record, She never had any boyfriend before, yet out of sudden she became a bit strange, the worst..she brought home a middle age dat*’ who’s more suitable to be her dad rather than her boyfriend and introduced him to my grandparents.. he’s (sorry) m*l*y... My grandpa was lost his breath when he said that he intended to marry her... (before you guys brings up racial issue here, my Grandparents very open minded, for them, race is not an issue as long as both parties has same views and mission in life. My uncle married to B*mi by the way) both of my grandparents honestly already know that this guy got many “back up” the moment he stepped his foot on their house. They tried their best to stay calmed, assessed the situation and keep it civil.
They told the dat*’ that my aunt was in her final year university, they wanted her to finish her study first. Later, My grandparents said when this guy was in  their house, their energy and guardians have to wrestle the demons that been brought by this man non stop... Once that guy left, my grandparents had some talk with her, they asked her, who is he, and how both of them knows each other etc etc etc. Another bomb was dropped onto my grandparents head when my aunt told him that he met that dat*’ 3 days ago, then she realised that he is the love of her life in tears 😅😅.
My grandmother check the calendar and she told my grandpa that it was their weakest day of the month, so if that guy wanted to “attack” it would be that day.. without much convos, they brought my aunt to my house.. I just remember that evening, when my aunt Got out of the car, suddenly she’s fainted.
Not long after, dat*’ *zt*dz(M*l*y/DU) and dat*’ dayak(DD) arrived (both of them my grandparents good friend). All of them went straight to our living hall(big livingroom). Their drivers and staffs already brought complete “ingredients” and “weapons”  then prepared it On the floor of the living hall Lol 😂. From flowers, buah Pinang, oil, bamboo, limau, sirih, kemenyan, arang Batu etc etc etc.. I asked my mom, “what happened? Why everyone’s here?.” She only said that later I will know..
My Aunt gained her consciousness not long after, my mom feed her then... everything seems normal besides all the males include my dad + drivers + assistances was gathered together in living hall after dinner talking in the dark. They switched off all the lights. Only light from the outside penetrating the room through the windows and sheer shades as we didn’t close the blind. I was in my room when horrifiedly my aunts crying then run hysterically to the downstairs.. terkejut, all of us runs after her downstair. She was stopped infront of them.. the DU who sat on the sofa gave signal “tuan..”. Then he start chanting ayat In arabic while his assistant playing music, he’s k*l*nt*nese the DD also started his ritual, I would say it was a big mess.. my aunt with her hysterical crying nonstop, those people with music, Smoke of kemenyan, non stop chants... I was like “woww awesome!!”. My aunts run here and there like an animal who’s unable to escape from that livinghall..! We heard a very loud explosion on the rooftops few times, by the way Only then I realised that our helpers already crumbled bellow the dining table watching these(we sat on the stairs)😅😅😅.., it’s happened for 30mins till my aunt screamed in pain then fainted again. So pity her liao.. yet none of them stopped the rituals, my grandpa who’s on meditation position open his eyes and gave signal to took my aunt from the floor.
We brought her to the sofa opposite the DU 😅 kept quiet there.. till i heard a horse footsteps coming.. then I heard growling sound, the DD chants his spell loudly Macam singing.. we’re shocked by the appearance of something like big black gorillas out of my living halls glassdoors and full size windows.. it’s damn big.. then we saw the shape of halfhuman half horse body outside.. then one form of an old man with stick appeard as well.. I was like.. “holly molly f*ck!!” Then came one thing that keeps on moving... the good news they couldn’t go inside..

my aunt suddenly awake, crying again 😟... DU
Assistant came and asked her, what’s the matter.. she said she wants to go, she’s in pain.. she wants to met her half(that guy) but all of them torture her.. the DU stopped her chant and smile., he told her to leave my aunt alone, or they’ll come after that man, torture his “team” and make him bankrupt.... my aunts laughing like a horse.. then the “things” out side went wild.. Lol 😂.. it banged the windows and the door loudly.. The DU smile then chanting in Arabic again, louder while dancing and silat.. ok this one incredibly cool.. the DD speaks otherworld punya language 😂😂😂😂, they “fights” with whatever things outsides. More than 17 people in living halls., and we’re witnessing something that can’t be swallowed by logic... grunts, growl, screams and crying.. would put every normal people in a deep terror.. my aunt screaming in pain before fainted (again) 🤨. It’s was a mess like that for more than 30mins... suddenly everything just stopped.. it’s runaway 😰😰.. they stop everything that they’re doing, all became so quiet, so peaceful, serene.. and so calm..

later my aunt regained her consciousness but too weak to say anything.. the DD gave her drink water something..
They told us that everything is under control and we can brought her back to the room and sleep, they will be on siege there..  allright we go back up again, this time all of my helpers follows.. they afraid sleep downstairs🤣🤣😂😂.. just 5 mins after we reach the room.. my aunt vomit alooooooottttttttt and it was smells like rotten meat+rottenegg 🤮🤢everything, my mom and grandmothers cleaned her up.. I’m to tired after all of those thing, fell asleep immediately.. woke up in the morning saw my aunt, and you know what? She didn’t remember anything.. the last thing she remember she was accidentally bumped into that old man and he helped picks her things up... 😱😱😱😱😱
Note= i have no intention to insult anyone, if there’s anything that “tak kena”. kindly forgive with an open heart. Thank you 🙏🏻
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This is about the most vivid blow by blow commentary of a battle between Sifus I've read yet. Before I go on telling my stories, just a big of background story first. In my family, my Granpa from my mom's side was born with certain abilities, almost like a Sifu but not as strong, but he passed away before I was born, and in my family, my mom has the heaven's Eye or Third Eye. Myself and my younger brother also has this ability albeit my younger brother seems to have other ability also while my 2 younger sisters can smell when a spirit is around.

My Mom knew from a very young age that me and my brother could see things, and to be honest, we grew up thinking that this was normal..until when I entered kindergarten and my mom told me not to tell other people of certain weird things that I saw. There must be a few k'tards here that also can see things that posted in this thread, and they would agree with me that wandering spirits are actually everywhere, as long as that place is not protected by an "activated" Deity and your ancestors. The Chinese will pray to their ancestors and there will be a "祖先牌" in the house, so basically when you pray to your ancestor, they will be there to protect you in your house, and when you also pray to an "activated" ( 开光) Deity, the only spirits allowed in your house will be your ancestors.

Some of you may ask, if we believe in reincarnation (Buddhist beliefs), shouldn't our ancestors already been reincarnated, well, the system works this way. Every living being has 3 souls and 7 spirit (三魂七魄) and when we pass normally (not in a sudden or violent way), from the 3 souls, 1 will go for reincarnation, 1 will jaga at the gravestone and 1 will stay with the family to protect the family. I've also read in this thread that some people after meeting with some supernatural occurrence and they suddenly fall sick for a week, that is the 7 spirit got damaged.

Some of the other k'tards here that can see stuff, I'm very sure you have also seen a lot of other "beings" that are not human spirits, sometimes we know what they are, sometimes we don't. For example, ever so often, I will see this being, the head of a horse and the body of a normal human, if that being sits on top of a vehicle, I know that vehicle going to meet with an accident. But this being I not one of the Hell guards as they have uniforms. I am a UKM Alumni, and if there is any UKM Alumni here, you all probably know that road in front of Bangunan Falkulti Sains Hayat (now known as Fakulti Sains & Technologi), that place is a crossing place for Orang Bunian, that is why so many bikes will terbabas there, the driver sometimes at night last minute will ternampak and they will try to elak then terbabas.

Since young, myself and my brother followed this Sifu that my mom knows, because more or less we had to learn how to protect ourselves when circumstances calls for it. So everywhere I go, I carry certain "barang". Because of my work, I fly a lot and it's always awkward to explain to the secu people manning the x-ray scanner what is the thing I was carrying, and I've learned if you just say, that is a religious amulet, sorta like a Christian cross, and most time they are ok with it.

i have a lot of stories, but I think maybe choose a few good ones and share it here later.
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post Apr 18 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Apr 18 2020, 04:05 PM)
Around 8PM
It was stood above the flyover.. I accidentally said “eh tu makcik in telekung nak Cross the road..?”... my driver look up, “hantu kum2” then it’s dissappeard 😅
Basically every prayer in any religion.. has similiar meaning just in different languages. When somebody do normal prayer to connect with their god or deities it does attract the lost soul.. why? Because they are unable (blocked) to connect to their God as they are no longer “perfect”... so when they’ve seen you praying, they wants to come and follow, that’s the reason old people always said “go pray with a clean heart.” Why? Because it’s not only affecting your relationship with your God, you’ll be the example/imam for them as well..
They wont simply get salvation or peace after heard your prayer, no. Because your prayer is intended for your affairs and not them. However if you are purposely pray for their name to get the “light”, then yes, they would be directed to the light to be in touch with their God again.

Next question, why in scary moments people tend to chants off the prayer or ayat if it’s attract the lost soul?

Because there’s so many types of prayer, one like a love song, when another like a Christmas gift request.. if you are afraid and you ask for protection, it won’t attract the wandering soul,
It would give you protection from the malice entities..
Classic example =

“ if your god were like your parents, and you have a very generous parents, you pray and ask them candies, “the lost kids” also wants to come and line up, who knows your parents willing to look at them and drop them one or twos candies.”

This is the reason the wandering soul would joined your normal praying, not joined for protection prayer when you are attacked by evil spirit.
Hehe thanks for the visits boss.. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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This is especially true for people who has the habit of blasting Buddhist chant CDs in their car (yes, there are people like that) One time I flew in to Ipoh to visit some customers there in my previous job, my distributor picked me up in his SUV, normally his dad would pick me up but his dad pass away few months ago, now the Son fully take over the company. He like to blast Buddhist prayers in his SUV...so at night he came to hotel to pick me up for dinner, and he still blasting..I told him, "Alex, you don't feel you car very heavy one meh? Fuel consumption koyak right....you never feel like a lot of people riding on top of your car meh?? Then I ask if can change the CD to radio or not...I think he immediately catch what I meant and change to radio...after that he never blast Buddhist chants in his car.
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post Apr 18 2020, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Apr 18 2020, 04:46 PM)
Ah... finally an explanation that reconciles some differing beliefs that my family and I have.

My old man believes that the spirit of the deceased never leaves the grave... it is their "home". I personally believe in reincarnation, though I kinda subscribe to Nachtsider's view that reincarnation does not happen instantly and it could be years to decades before a deceased soul moves on to reincarnate. And then of course you have certain souls and spirits tagging along whenever or wherever a family member or loved one goes.

The 3 souls concept would reconcile a lot of our understanding of the after-life then.

Question: how about cremating? Does it have any effect on the soul that guards the resting place - would a soul "hang out" at the columbarium where his or her ashes are interred?

Thanks for sharing your experiences!
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Cremation has no effect, the soul still guard the place where the ashes are placed, just think of it like a normal grave is landed property and the columbarium are Condos.

I think I will share one of the story that made me learn a lot about the concept of Hell. if you all want to know, wandering spirits can actually hide from people that can see them if they wanted to. I remember I made a trip to Genting with my coursemates after our final exam, I was driving, and after the trip, we drove back to our hometown, my coursemates were all from the same hometown, so of course the last one to go home was me lor. I remember reaching home wee hours of the morning, around 4am. As my brother opened the gate. he tapped on my car window and told me someone riding on top of my car, ask me to halau first before driving into the carpark (then he went back to sleep). So I got down from the car and saw that a wandering spirit was really sitting on top of my car, a Malay Pakcik. (so for people with 3rd Eye, maybe you can confirm if this was common, but for me, when communicating with spirits, more like you are saying something in your heart, not spoken out verbally). I ask the Pakcik what he wants and why he follow me back. The Pakcik told me, he has been stuck in Genting for a long time, then saw my car passby and he felt that I can see him, so he tag along, and he wants me to help him "crossover".

I don't know why, maybe I was in a good mood, so I told him can he wait near the bamboo groves near my house (now you all know why never plant bamboo in your house compound). Few hours later I call my Sifu to ask what should I do, my sifu just told me do a simple ritual to help him cross-over, just need to prepare some stuff and chant some simple sutras. So I did lor. Prepare the incense, some hell money and offering of fruit, meat and Guinness. As night came, I told the Pakcik, "Are you ok if I use Buddhist way to send you cross over, as I do not know Muslim way"...he replied whatever as long as can Jalan.

So started to burn the incense and candle, then burn a request with the Pakcik's name, while chanting, then stop chanting and burn the hell notes. The Pakcik recieved the money after completely burning it and ask what are these for? I told him later there will be hell guards coming to escort you to the place you suppose to go, these are to eh...hmmmm..give to the guards as derma ikhlas (not bribing ar..derma) few moments later, the Hell guards came, started to enjoy the offering and drink the Guinness, then saw the Pakcik giving them the derma and the Pakcik left with the guards.

Nest day I went to my Sifu's place and ask him, how come our Buddhist way works on a Muslim? then he told me how the system works.

So to explain it so that all the k'tards here can understand. Basically Hell is like a SSC (Shared Service Centre0 just like large conglomerate has an SSC for Payroll and such. A soul is brought down to hell and there are 18 levels, each level has a judge and each level punishes for different bad deeds, example Soul A will report himself to Level ! that punishes for Greed, and the judge will read to the soul what kind of Greed sin that the soul has committed and how long he needs to spend at Level 1, after he pays of for the Greed Sin, he goes to level 2 that punishes for being unfilial, if Soul A did not commit any Sin of this type, he moves to level 3 and so on. So at the end of the Level 18, the individual reps from the Souls's religion will come and take the Soul to the next point.

any Questions so far?

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post Apr 18 2020, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Apr 18 2020, 08:47 PM)
Just curious how about cases where ashes are scattered to the winds or to the sea?
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Scatering the ashes in the wind or to the sea will have problem, the soul is scattered and will be very weak.


QUOTE(jesserider223 @ Apr 18 2020, 08:53 PM)
that is a superb analogy concept to explain Hell, almost cant believe it can be so intertwined

so a spirit could appear so clearly to you as someone with the abilities?  you can tell his age group and race, can you guess which era he was from?

also kindly elaborate on bamboo relationship with spirits?

do bamboo plant attracts?

how about those bamboo in a vase one?
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Spirits that just passed away looks almost like a shadow, you can roughly see the shape but can't really tell the details, while older spirits you can see very clearly, just that they are almost like monochrome. Bamboo and certain trees with vines are preferred shaded area by the spirits, don't ask me why, it's just like that. The bamboo in a vase no issue, I am talking about those bamboo planted on the ground and grown into very big.
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post Apr 18 2020, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Apr 18 2020, 10:07 PM)
Great explanation bro. That is roughly what is explained to me by my. You mentioned that recently departed souls are very faint and unclear,  I have seen orbs. Are they the same? I dont have a third eye ability but I have seen an orb in a hotel room that will move away when you head towards it.
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They can be spirits or something else (I call them "dan lain-lain). To put it in simple terms, different people with different energy or luck will see different stuff. if they move away when you walk near them, means your fire damn stong

QUOTE(V429 @ Apr 18 2020, 10:13 PM)
Interesting. One more off topic question of personal interest, what if a person is cremated together with an object like maybe a favourite violin? Will that affect anything?
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That one no effect...they will have their fave violin with them.

QUOTE(leah235 @ Apr 18 2020, 10:23 PM)
.. you can see hell guards???
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Hell Guards, Dato kong, Orang Bunian, Penduduk...you name it lar....

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post Apr 18 2020, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(leah235 @ Apr 18 2020, 10:33 PM)
do they look like very scary?

anyway noticed about bamboo grown from the ground, means not good?
I thought it's good as it will halau away the snakes......
Snake dont like bambooss....?
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for the human spirits, they can show you how they look like when they were alive or at the moment of death, so some can be grotesque, have you all ever seen industrial accident pictures showed by Socso, like hand go into grinder...those kind of feel, not like the movie...like the Ring those kind of feel.

QUOTE(Theoutspokenguy @ Apr 18 2020, 10:39 PM)
i ask before but no one reply. Can you see spirit through photo and video? there this HK talk show they said they can see this



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I've never ever seen one of those show where they film at haunted places and see any spirits on camera.

QUOTE(IOharper @ Apr 18 2020, 11:02 PM)
I would like to thank you for taking the time to share with us your explanations!

I have two questions:

1) Does a ghost able to communicate with another ghost?

2) If they could, wouldn't they be living in a much more peaceful world if they mind their own things (not kacau-ing other beings) and just stay in this world forever without the fear of the lack of financial, security (life/death) and stress?

Probably there are 'officers' wondering just like us in this MCO period.

But if they are able to avoid them and not kacau human (which likely lead to the human getting a sifu to cleanse them), why would they want to be reincarnated to a different being if they would suffer all over again? Ie. Human: Life, stress, love, routine life, fear of death. Achieving Nirvana/going to heaven is a long and disciplined process. Wouldn't it be better living forever as a ghost and linger forever?

Unless, they are not able to differentiate if they are alive or not. Or keep repeating the loop. Then that's suffering la.
Thanks in advance.
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Answer 1: Yes, they can communicate, just like when they were living.

Answer 2: They are normally trap here, and they do not have a home, those that their living family have an ancestor tablet, they have a home. You just imagine hor, you kena MCO for 50 years, what will you become, you will be a bit cookoo right, same for them. Being able to escape the dharma wheel is not an easy feat. There are also a lot of those "dan lain-lain" that actually feed on these wandering spirit...meaning they will get eaten.....

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post Apr 19 2020, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Apr 19 2020, 12:22 AM)
Four questions:

1) If the ashes of a loved one are split between two places (temple and family altar), what happens to the soul of the deceased? Is it weakened as well?

2) For a family with multiple ancestral tablets (all over the country or world), how do "ancestors" allocate themselves to which ancestral tablet location for their jaga place?

3) Can a picture of a deceased loved one suffice as an "ancestral tablet" equivalent if he or she is put up in an honoured place? Or does it have to be "activated" first?

4) If people like you (with third eyes and ability to interact with wondering spirits) help rescue wondering spirits and assist them in moving on, would you get good karma for this? How about rescuing them from their "predators" in the spiritual world?

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Answer:

1) I've until now never seen where ashes are split into 2 places, either they are put in the columbarium or put in home. Splitting will weaken the soul.

2 & 3) If you put the picture of a single deceased loved ones at home (normally also with the ashes), that is called a "灵位" and not an Ancestral Tablet. Normally, will need to have Sifu make sure that the deceased know about the "灵位" and follow it back to the house. Normally you will not have multiple ancestral tablet, the practice is the eldest son house will have the ancestral tablet. But example, if a family, a grandfather pass away, they can start a ancestral tablet, and then as maybe thru time pass, family members pass away, the soul of the family members must be added to that. (just imagine those insurance agency lar, maybe one of the agents achieve don't know what Millon Dollar table, they come out setup another agency. ah. like that). Always remember, for those that in the house that do not have activated deity, only have ancestral tablet, if you move house, make sure get sifu to make sure the ancestral tablet is move properly. if the ancestor never moved to new location and you start to give offering, means any tom, dick and harry can go in and stay there.

4) We can't help everyone, just like someone ask you to help all the homeless people in Malaysia, you wont have the time, and it will be physically draining.,,and yes you will actually get very big good deed karma. Why we also don't really "Rescue" them is that there are a lot of things that I would not want to mess around with..scary things.
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post Apr 19 2020, 12:48 AM

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One of the reasons I am sharing my experience here is that in this forum, no one will ostracize you, or rather even if they did, they can't do anything much. If you think what I am saying is true, then you just listen on, if you don't then just think I am talking rubbish. But in the real world, it's quite different. that is why my mom from an early age teach us to not tell anyone this. Some people after knowing will actually keep their distance from us, friends that we have known for years suddenly just don't want to be friends anymore....stuff like that.

While some people will say we are conman or are superstitious people. it's quite Funny as i don't make any money out of this, I have a real job and a really good paying one.
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post Apr 19 2020, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Apr 19 2020, 01:06 AM)
Thanks for the replies.

1) Fortunately or unfortunately, my extended family has.... "recently" started the practice of splitting a loved one's ashes - since we are split all over the world (and some have no issue / descendants), so part of the ashes will be placed in a temple that is close to where the majority of family members are located while another part will be placed in a colambarium. For those of us who cannot go to the columbarium to pay our respects (for e.g. it may be in another part of the country or world), we can just head to that temple.... was meant to be more convenient for us.

But welp, if the soul will really be weakened, I would have to advice them against doing this practice next time sad.gif

2) I asked about the ancestral tablet because I will be moving to a new home soon, and was wondering whether to activate a guardian deity and an ancestral tablet. I make it a point to be quite devout to my ancestors, so I would feel quite pleased if they could accompany me in my new home in some way (was actually thinking of having ancestral tablets from both my parents' side and wife's side in my home, but if you do not think it is a very good idea........). My parents and wife's parents are still alive and healthy, all grandparents are gone though. Each family has respective ancestral tablets in ancestral home or main family homes.

Can I trouble you for your thoughts? Is it OK to activate ancillary ancestral tablets for my own home while there are main ones in ancestral homes or do you advice against it? Or should I consult a sifu and get his or her opinion on this matter?

3) Understood about the scary things part. I was quite fascinated about the being that has a head of a horse on the body of a human... turns out such a being is quite ubiquitous in the world. A being like this is known as Tikbalang in the Philippines and as Nuckelavee in Scandinavia / Scotland.

And if such a being exists in the spiritual world, then the Wendigos of North America should also be a real thing...... that one is *bleeping* dangerous.

Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge and experience.
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Hmmmm, if there is already an older Ancestral tablet, i would advice you againts doing another one in your home, because your parents one day will get old, and one day you will never to take over caring for the ancestral tablet, you get what I mean? Family ancestral table normally is taken care of by the Son, as the son will continue on the family surname, a daughter that is married is considered family member of the husband. So if you wife has a brother, he should be the one taking care of the ancestral tablet from your in-laws.

QUOTE(mikesully @ Apr 19 2020, 01:15 AM)
all your explanation are so tele with our belief (im muslim)

just wanna ask... what difference btw spirit and souls?

and... that tree with shades.. do banana tree, banyan and kemboja tree also the same?
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The Spirit is one of the 3 souls every living things has. Also, I kinda forgot about Bayan trees, they are like a spirit magnet. Banan tree has their own little story. Pokok Kemboja tu, orang suka tanam kat tanah kunur, to je, takde ape supernatural pun.
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post Apr 19 2020, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Apr 19 2020, 01:14 AM)
Not really bro. Like you mentioned we all need to carry some form of "barang" for protection. My master did mention before acts like what you did for the soul of the malay uncle will bring very good karma, just like donating coffins for those without family members to bury them. But of course what you did is only for those with special abilities.

We all appreciate all your contribution on this thread, but do beware that there will be retribution from the non believers. Just like in the case of an earlier thread started by someone with special abilities like you and Lady Tarot. The poor guy had to close the thread and delete all his posts on the threads because he couldn't take all the trolls, insults by them. You were in that thread too remember?

I think TS ladytarot99 should monitor this thread closely and delete all troll replies. As long as you dont engage them by replying and arguing with them, they will leave this thread alone.
My 2 cents.
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I carry 3 barang's with me always, and in my house, I have a very big rottan with a "tangkai" on it, but never used it in the house as might accidentally hit my ancestors. I've only used it once to wack a toyol that was out and about stealing stuff in my Precinct.

Yes, I was in that thread, quite a good thread to share our experience, it's actually nice to know we are not the only ones like this. That was a few years ago that thread right. A lot of new things has happened since then, but one thing I've learned, I will only help people if they ask and that issue is within my power to solve, I will never volunteer to help people as some people don't want to be help.


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QUOTE(6996 @ Apr 19 2020, 04:23 AM)
Hi I would like to ask about mythical beings

So like the guy asked before you, mythical beings like Wendingo are real? Sorry not sure about the Malaysian equivalent so asking you this.
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I've never seen a Wendigo before, so I can't really comment, maybe because when I visit the Americas region (be it North or South) I'm mostly in the city, as I am there for business. But one thing I've noticed, certain "beings" ae very geographical, example Dato kong is something that you will only find in SEA region, you don't see them in let's say Australia, that is about the only overseas place that i've been that I went into the "Bushes" or hutan.

QUOTE(6996 @ Apr 19 2020, 04:36 AM)
My mom had a few miscarraiges before and after having me and my sister.

Will my siblings who didn't make be still around?
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This is a very interesting subject, as my Sifu's sister handles a lot of these cases. For those miscarriages or abortion, when the fetus already has life, and the miscarriages or abortion happens, it doesn't mean that the life was supposed to end there.

To give it more background explanation, everyone's lifespan is pre-determined, and everyone's luck in your life is also pre-determine. The luck is spread throughout your life-span, at occasions that you really need them. If your life, there are certain hurdles that you need to cross, i believe our Malay friends call it "dugaan". Example, at age 45, you will meet with a car accident, and because you have luck, you escape with a broken leg. There are certain ways to improve your luck (some bomoh, dukun, sifu will say this) but actually you are just taking an advance on your own luck (sorta like taking advance pay). So if you go for ritual or go pray to kena 4D, that actually is advancing your luck. So you already use your luck in advance, so the accident at the age of 45, where you were supposed to escape with a broken leg, might end up you cannot cross this hurdle and you will die from the accident. But in the books, you were suppose to have a life of 70, so some of the wandering spirits in this cases, it is not their time to go report downstairs, that is why they are trapped here.

Now back to the miscarriages or abortion, it is also the same like the accident, if the baby had a life of 65 written in their destiny, then they will stick around until the 65 years is up. The problem arises when the parents has another pregnancy and that child manage to get born into this world. The decease elder sibling will stay with the living sibling with vengeance in their soul and a lot of times, they become malevolent (because they are thinking, my younger sibling got to live, why i didn't get to live). Basically what would happen when the younger sibling grow up, nothing they do in life will be smooth, study won't get good results, work also very suay. Serious one will have mental breakdown because the elder sibling start to mess with them (like haunting them lar)

There are also the danger that these baby spirits can be capture by people who practice black magic and become a tool, when this happens, bad karma also hits the parent and also the living siblings.

So if confirm that the miscarriage or aborted baby is still sticking around, must send them to a certain place, there are rituals that you can do. The "certain" place is a place just before entering hell, taken care of by an old "Nenek", as I've seen her coming to bring the babies away. There are also spirit babies with so much hate that they refuse to go, then need to negotiate with them are what are demands.

That is my experience though regarding this subject matter, as I've seen my sifu's sister do this ritual a couple of times.
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QUOTE(hc7840 @ Apr 19 2020, 10:12 AM)
What kind of face they show to you? Like a piece of meat?
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They can show your the normal kid form or they can show you the gory form...if you know how abortions are done, then you know the fetus is hooked and tear out from the womb. Normally they will try to scare you when they are angry and don't wanna leave.
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QUOTE(IOharper @ Apr 19 2020, 12:10 PM)
Chinese Taoism believes that 'Cow Head' and 'Horse Face' are in charge of patrolling and handling underworld-ly matters.
Equivalent to our world, when hantu say 'Halo pulis' or tag @CHHF, they will be the ones that will attend to it.
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I just thought about this:
1) Is there a 'default' horror look of a ghost? We have not heard of female ghosts in short hair or in other clothing other than red/white. Is it deemed (to them) to be scarier for human or is the image conjured by our own mind set on what we (as human) believe is scariest?
2) During your visits to Western countries, did you manage to see any white people ghost? I have heard of Chinese and Malay ghosts, but not Indian ghosts locally. One may be able to distinguish a malay ghost (by them wearing baju melayu/with sarong). Or do they reveal themselves with their last worn clothing (Westerners: T-shirt/coat/buttoned shirt)? 
3) Which horror movie has the best representation of ghost in your opinion? Annabelle, Valak (The Nun), local horror films and the likes are probably more of a scare factor (or revengeful apparitions). I understand that there are various types of ghost, but would you say our Eastern horror films i.e. HK, Japan and locally produced (pontianak, pocong) have a pretty close representation of what they actually look like when you see them? Because I believe they have their inspiration/research from some sources (such as someone with ability like yourself) anyway.
Thanks again!
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Cow Head and Horse Face are only part of a larger team, there are a lot more type of Hell Guards.

1) The spirits can show you many forms, their younger self, current self or if they died in a horrible state, they can show you that also, basically their normal state is just like when they are living, only in monochrome and they are a little bit transparent.

2) Yes, there are Mat Salleh ghost, basically no different from the living world lar, if you go to an airport, you see an Indian lady and a caucasian lady, you will know one is Indian and the other one is a caucasian person.

3) I think the HK movie "Keeper of Darkness" has the most accurate representation of "ghost". Annabelle and Valak are Demons...in my 41 years of life, I've only ever meet a Demon once, it is something that I do not ever ever want to meet again, it is something of pure evil, disgusting, grotesque and overwhelmingly powerful.
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QUOTE(onetwoswitch @ Apr 19 2020, 02:58 PM)
calodin and ladytarot99, sorry to trouble you. But I am really curious.

I have a Sabahan friend who told me about her father getting possessed by animal 3 to 4 times a year. Specifically, this is a centepede, according to her, he will be normal and suddenly just drop on the floor and start moving like a centepede. Regardless when he was watching TV or eating or sleeping, it happens randomly. The family has accepted this, they are normal with it and do not disturb as he would crawl towards altar and stay in front of the altar for a while before coming back to sense. Never did self harm or anything like that.

So my question is:

1) Is this for real? Animal spirits are also wandering the earth? And capable of possessing someone?

2) If yes, then why we dont hear this in states like KL? Such incidents seems to only happen in east malaysia.

Thanking you in advance for your thoughts regarding this.
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There are certain people born into this world that have "medium" bodies. What are Mediums, they are basically a vessel where a deity can enter, and mostly, these people have a mission on this world which is to help people. Being a Medium (real ones, not those Conman ar) is like having Job that the "Dept Upstairs" identified you as "High-pot" and give this job to you. Same like any normally job, normally start at 20 something of age and retire at around 50s or 60s year old (this is because once the body age, it cannot withstand the fatigue due to the Deity coming into the body).

Of course there are people who resist this, and want to carry on with their normal life with a normal job. What would happen is the deity will still come into the body at random time. I believe that your Sabahan friend is the same, But one thing about this situation is that normally the person would be guided to certain temples and the people at the temple would guide the person what to do. I guess that this did not happen to your Sabahan friend, thus the current situation of him getting possessed randomly.

Answer to your Question

1) yes, all living things will have spirits, even very old trees, and for some reason it is easier for them to become "妖精", which is a higher existence from normal spirits. (please note they are different from demons)

2) Well, maybe because you've never meet with this kind of cases, but it's kinda rare for the animal spirit to posses people, normally they will only follow you back and make trouble, and it is also due to the fact that the human went to their territory (the jungle) and manage to pissed them off.


QUOTE(mikesully @ Apr 19 2020, 05:26 PM)
wanna ask ladytarot or calodin

what is your opinion about Saka
my family( great grandfather) kept 2 Saka that we call it Hala

its in the form of tiger
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Saka very much exist, I've seen a few before, and for some reason, those that I've seen always follows the oldest Matriach in the family. I've also seen a Saka that follows a keris that is passed down to the patriarch of the family..it's in the form of a huge snake. Seen it when I visited my Indonesian colleague's house in Jakarta. We are very good friends because he is my partner in crime when we have Regional Conference in Melbourne. The keris is place at the top of his house front door. He invited me to his house as his grandmother is cooking a celebratory feast, so I just tumpang makan. In Malaysia, I actually see a lot of Malay ladies using Susuk, maybe because my eyes are special, i can see when a person is using Susuk, because can see their real face. After a person uses susuk, their real face becomes very....not normal, disturbing.
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QUOTE(teamjoker @ Apr 19 2020, 08:26 PM)
i met a few of such mediums, heard a lot of stories. but for some, their lives as normal person is not that upright. means their greed, desire, ego and anger are there. i always thought they see more heavenly affairs and should know better on karma matters therefore should control their desires.
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There are always black sheep, and once their mind have wandered into to the wrong place, normally they will loose the ability as mediums, after that they just act..those are the conmans
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QUOTE(onetwoswitch @ Apr 19 2020, 10:22 PM)
Thanks Taikor.Taikun and calodin for taking time to help me have better clarity in this topic.

Just thought of asking about saka, but notice someone has raised it. Which brings the topic to susuk. What is susuk?
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Susuk is a type of charm, normally a golden needle it a small piece of gold that is folded that is embedded underneath the skin. Mostly lady get this charm so that when other people look at them, they will be seen as very pretty and irresistible. The only issue is, if the person has this charm in them and it is their time to die, it's very hard for them to die, like suffering, until the Bomoh that put the charm in, takes it out, but there lies the problem, the girls normally get the charm when they are young, and the Bomoh normally is already middle age or older, so by nature, the bomoh would have passed away already.
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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Apr 20 2020, 03:22 AM)
The ghost can in and out where the air, water, and light can flow
That’s why it’s important to follow the fengshui to get the harmony. However, it’s very unlikely go into someone house unless follow behind the owner or you invite it in.
The teapot nenek at the gate of the hell? Any soul/spirit take a sip of its would forget its  identity and become pure again?
1.Abortion= Deliberately
2.Miscarries = unexpected

My grandparents explanation regarding this different. Those miscarriage is fate, and if taken care well, would cause no problem. Joined with other ancestors club/house. My mom got few siblings that passed, 2 miscarriages and 1 passed before one month old. All of her siblings knows that he’s always around. And he often helping his living brothers and sisters. For example, my aunt forgot her key, he’ll tell her “N you forget to bring your key.” 😅. Another uncle was outside till late, he told him “Go back home now, mom worry about you.” 😅 sometimes I Facepalm 🤦🏻‍♀️ 😅.
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Nope, it's another Nenek, she runs this..sorta like an orphanage downstairs. From my experience, joining a few times the rituals done by my Sifu's sister, it's best to send the babies on their way, as almost all the cases I've seen is not good for the living sibling.

I give an example of a case, this young single Mom, only 25 years old, she has 1 living child but she had 1 miscarriage and 4 abortions before and the 5 baby spirits are all hanging around the living child. The child is 2 years old and is so frail and sickly because the other 5 babies all hanging around her. So I was helping out and I saw this young lady had the most offering then I saw 5 babies and I was not trying to judge (but I was being bit judgy lar) as in my heart I was thinking "What the hell are the young people nowadays doing??" (it was at this moment that I knew I was getting old, because I said something that my dad always say when I was young). So during the ritual ceremony, the Parents suppose to send them away and start to burn offering, this young lady said something that she should not have which was "if you want to blame, blame your useless father". At that moment, my Sifu facepalm, my sifu's sister facepalm,,,,,I facepalm. Have you ever try to burn offering but the thing will not burn. out of the 5 baby spirits, one did not want to leave after hearing what the mother said. The baby also showed us the form of when it died...trying to scare us. My Sifu's sister started to negotiate, what the baby want? Toys, sweets, new clothes? (so all the people out there that see a lot of movies, we don't normally start wacking the spirits, it's usually start with negotiation, if can settle by negotiating, that is the best way..because when we wack spirits, we get bad karma also). In the end, rush to shops to buy all the stuff the baby spirits wants..dilly dally 2-3 hrs, finally the baby agreed to go.

As for the question regarding if spirits can enter houses, as long as the house do not have a presiding Deity, then they can basically go in and out without restriction. If you have some religious items that has been blessed, then it depends on the power and radius of effect that item has (gamers will understand this). If the house has an Ancestral Tablet, then the Ancestors will deal with the intruders. If the family has a "Saka", then the Saka will deal with the intruders.

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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Apr 20 2020, 12:35 PM)
It would be depends.. for rituals, sometimes there’s cost. Yet the conman usually hinted that “you have a big problem..”.. they tend to talk a lot also.. lurking you to tell the whole story and recreate his own story.. try to tell him the mislead version and see whether he he knows the truth or not, don’t talk so much.. observe his attitude..
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Hmmm, just a comment on this topic. The Medium is allowed to make a living thru helping others (as per their contract and agreement with the "people upstairs" but they cannot have yearning to be rich or rather, they can't get rich using their powers.

Mediums that are conman have 2 types. First type is memang they start out as Conman, they do not have powers. Normal people can use questions to determine if the medium is a conman, because the conman will only generalize things, and they will listen to what you say and use that info to trick you. The 2nd type is, they were genuine mediums, but because they were greedy, they tried to get rich using their power, then the "people upstairs" use the clause "Breach of Contract" and tarik balik the power. But the medium continue acting to con money.
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Just to share the one case I observed : basically the medium build something like a 'fan club' around himself. As far as I can tell he doesnt appear to be making a lot of money or outright conning money or anything like that.

But why I say 'fan club'? They have like members and they gather at the temple on certain days of the week. If a member doesn't show up for some time he'd ask around why the person never visit him at the temple.

One peculiar thing I observed is that he also request certain dishes to eat at the temple so members will need to tabao and bring to him. Some of the dishes not cheap. He also drinks beer and red wine and smoke.

From time to time they have gatherings at member's house too. So all the other member and the medium will gather at the house. The host need to prepare a bunch of food and stuff. Usually they gather outside for a purpose. Like if member invite him to look at their houses or shops or maybe even wedding related ceremony.

So I observe all these and wonder is he really a medium or he just kuda in real life lol.
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Soulds like the Medium's guardian deity is "Tua Pek" or "Ji Pek". The fan club thing is very prevalent, even in more established places of religion (temples, monastery). Even those that teach Martial arts got these kind of fan club hanging around them.
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QUOTE(V429 @ Apr 20 2020, 06:02 PM)
I see. Thanks for sharing. This one they call him 'Ji Gong'.
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QUOTE(timc @ Apr 20 2020, 09:12 PM)


Any idea for the video above?
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Looking at the video there is a few possibility which are

1) The Deity statue must have not been "Blessed" (开光) properly and now something else is in the statue (wandering spirits, evil spirits, you name it), basically like a free hotel serving free buffet.

2) The altar belongs to a shaman that is doing black magic but is posing as a white magic user, and the Deity statues are actually evil spirits, not the deities inside.

So the guy that is destroying the statues most probably is a good shaman or medium.

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