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 ◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙, ~Official Thread~

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:07 PM

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if the specs feralee posted are true, then this might be something really worthwhile indeed.

well, bashers generally can't afford other cars apart from Proton, so that's why they bash, they think without Proton they can buy a City at Gen2 prices lol.. keep dreaming
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:11 PM

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Ok i am a marketing fellow. And i learn a lot from multi national company. All my case are base on real life example as this company do search for consultation from my marketing organisation.

Do you know toyota owning the world currently most effecient manufacturing plant in the world. Their cost per car is around 20-30k. Definitely there is reason and where the can minimise their cost.

Guess how much Proton production cost for a normal Wira. Is around the same like toyota. You know why?

1) Demand less than production. So you can see many proton car lying around. VW only produce when ever their customer demand for 1. Estimate 1 day only you can get a car LOL. National Geo got shows it
2) Human resource over loaded. When you don't need to produce so much car why need them
3) Selecting wrong partners. Selecting the cheapest will only cause many defect. Do you know if toyota found out their partner have any defect they will return all the parts back? That is how strict they are.
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:14 PM

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i owned a proton iswara now but i never ever a supporter for proton with such lousy quality...

proton stuff just can't really last for the first 2-3 years...

I've no choice that time, but i still have choice in the future... Trying so hard to earn more money now and change to Toyota or Honda which capable in giving you more reliable and quality car...

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:18 PM

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that commercial was quite a stunner eh?
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(feralee @ Jul 23 2007, 12:03 PM)
NEW SEDAN 1.6AT H-LINE
OTR - RM 55,800.00

NEW SEDAN 1.6MT M-LINE
OTR - RM 49,800.00
NEW SEDAN 1.6AT M-LINE
OTR - RM 52,800.00

NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE SOLID
OTR 45,350.00
NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE SOLID
OTR - 48,350.00
NEW SEDAN 1.6MT L-LINE METALLIC
OTR RM 45,800.00
NEW SEDAN 1.6AT L-LINE METALLIC
OTR - RM 48,300.00

It will be available in 1.3 and 1.6 campro with variable valve timing.
here are the changes and new feaures:

exterior:
front bumper
front fog lamps (1.6 model only)
headlamps
16-inch alloy wheels (1.6 model only)
rear bumper
number plate on bootlid/tailgate
bootlid/tailgate key lock

interior:
redesigned front seats
redesigned steering wheel
grey interior
digital clock
power window switches on door armrests
blaupunkt mp3 cd player (1.6 model only)
glove box
redesigned door handles
redesigned gear knob
redesigned hand brake lever
front seats with back pockets

mechanical:
redesigned power window mechanisms
retuned suspensions
door intrusion beams
front bumper with reinforced steel
collapsable steering system
remote bootlid/tailgate release

H-line model:
ABS
EBD
SRS airbags
seatbelts with pretensioners
engine immobilizer
chrome kicking plates
HID headlamps
doors auto lock system
driver side anti jam power window
twin tail pipe
rear bumper with reflectors
i-pod connector
bluetooth enabled
glove box lamp

1.3 campro performance details:
power = 73KW ( 98bhp ) @ 5500rpm
torque = 128 nm @ 3500rpm
fuel consumption = 5.0l/100km
0 -100 kmh @ 11.6 secs

1.6 campro performance details:
[/b]power = 91 KW (122 bhp) @ 5500rpm [/b]
torque = 167 nm @ 3500rpm
fuel consumption = 5.4l/100 Km
0 -100 kmh @ 10.4 secs

gen2 sedan dimensions:
length = 4335
width = 1725
height = 1435
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U sure about this? hmm.gif
Why H-Line only have AT vmad.gif

Btw, variable valve timing means CPS or VIM?

This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 23 2007, 02:26 PM
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:26 PM

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proton using HID headlamp for the H-line model? sure boh?

meaning HID is legal in malaysia dy?
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 01:55 PM)
ROTFLMAO. Minimalist basher.  sweat.gif

Time would tell how this generation of sedans will be.

20yr's is very young for a car company.
Eg. Korea protected it's home brands by banning Jap imports completely for more than 40 years!

About quality, my dad's perdana has done 220,000km without any major problems (except expected wear and tear lah of course..eg tires, windshield wipers etc, spark plugs, timing belt etc).

I dont believe they are wasting rakyat's money. Money internally circulated to local industries. To the local economy. Proton has stuck to making cheap cars that people earning third world wages can afford. The upcoming gen2 sedan, priced at ~RM50k (midrange) is very reasonable. Even if NAP/proton didnt exist, a jap sedan of similar size/wt (~1200kg class) will cost upwards of RM70k OTR. It will only waste your money if you insist on buying 2.0L upward cars that come with super high tax as a result of NAP. The average malaysian probably couldnt afford a baseline 2.0L BMW 3series that would cost about RM180k OTR (WITHOUT NAP!) without going into debt.
The H-Line, RM55k variant seems attractive if it comes with standard features like ABS and 4+Airbags.
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I very believe they are wasting our money,then tell me what wrong with proton buying a motorcycle company for such big sum & selling it for only few Ringgit?Tell me why?Tell la dude..tell la!!!Even VW pun tak mau beli,later tarik them kebawah also..

Who wanna go for BMW..why do u take a BMW 3 series to compare,take the honda city & toyata vios is enough to compare against waja..the city & vios was tax higher just to protect proton.."hidup tanpa proton,malaysia boleh" that time all of average malaysian can afford a city & vios.

If u say 20years is still young..how long do you want our nation money to be wasted more? you know why we are getting pull back go hear this & u will know why, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczMNH0dbEQ (chinese only can understand)

after 20years we should be earning not losing..we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?tell la dude?


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post Jul 23 2007, 02:33 PM

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i found dat the major of proton problem is their supplier for the part..which built in low quality ..
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:38 PM

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HID is still illegal in M'sia for those retrofitters & aftermarket modifications.
However they'd still allow for stock production cars that has HIDs in their standard specifications.
eg. Honda Civic 2.0
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QUOTE(enova @ Jul 23 2007, 02:26 PM)
proton using HID headlamp for the H-line model? sure boh?

meaning HID is legal in malaysia dy?
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:28 PM)
I very believe they are wasting our money,then tell me what wrong with proton buying a motorcycle company for such big sum & selling it for only few Ringgit?Tell me why?Tell la dude..tell la!!!Even VW pun tak mau beli,later tarik them kebawah also..

Who wanna go for BMW..why do u take a BMW 3 series to compare,take the honda city & toyata vios is enough to compare against waja..the city & vios was tax higher just to protect proton.."hidup tanpa proton,malaysia boleh" that time all of average malaysian can afford a city & vios.

If u say 20years is still young..how long do you want our nation money to be wasted more? you know why we are getting pull back go hear this & u will know why, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczMNH0dbEQ (chinese only can understand)

after 20years we should be earning not losing..we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?tell la dude?
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we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?
perodua, better than proton lolz
how old are u anyway? joined working force edi?
if not, then clearly u still dont understand how the world works

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(amirsubhi @ Jul 23 2007, 02:33 PM)
i found dat the major of proton problem is their supplier for the part..which built in low quality ..
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That's happen when they have too many vendors. They cant control the quality becoz of too many vendors.
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:43 PM

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No matter how Proton still have a distinct advantage over all other brand car manufacturer

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post Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jul 23 2007, 02:39 PM)
lol
loser on the speak
i like this word
we should have quality cars like perodua..why perodua is better then proton?
perodua, better than proton lolz
how old are u anyway? joined working force edi?
if not, then clearly u still dont understand how the world works
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who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton..

but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing..
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post Jul 23 2007, 03:33 PM

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Popcorn anyone? ngeh..i did like a few proton's model..and i totally agree that Proton's built quality sucks. Most of the cars can only last about 3-4 years. after that..everything seems to fall apart.

For perodua...my family bought our first perodua model..(myvi)..Still early to judge the quality..(for sure the rubber lining on the roof gone already..kene tiup angin maybe...then the reverse sensor replaced once...disc brake also replaced already...vibrate..vibrate.. ;p ) After 3-4 years..i'll post my comment about perodua cars ok.

for now..i still feel that proton can perform and improve in near future..at least better than our national football team!
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post Jul 23 2007, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM)
who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton..

but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing..
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He is driving a proton.

QUOTE(theanswer @ Jul 23 2007, 03:33 PM)
Popcorn anyone? ngeh..i did like a few proton's model..and i totally agree that Proton's built quality sucks. Most of the cars can only last about 3-4 years. after that..everything seems to fall apart.

For perodua...my family bought our first perodua model..(myvi)..Still early to judge the quality..(for sure the rubber lining on the roof gone already..kene tiup angin maybe...then the reverse sensor replaced once...disc brake also replaced already...vibrate..vibrate.. ;p ) After 3-4 years..i'll post my comment about perodua cars ok.

for now..i still feel that proton can perform and improve in near future..at least better than our national football team!
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post Jul 23 2007, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jul 23 2007, 02:20 PM)
U sure about this? hmm.gif
Why H-Line only have AT vmad.gif

Btw, variable valve timing means CPS or VIM?
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Valve timing in Campro is called CPS. VIM is another technology. Proton promise to introduce this in 2H 2007 (which is about now).
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Jul 23 2007, 02:54 PM)
who are you then..atleast most of the ppl are switching to perodua which have better quality build then proton..do you drive proton at the 1st place..if you didnt pls dont talk so much..lets say u did drive a proton..

but the fact,perodua is making better money then proton..& proton is whining pls buy me VW..pls buy me..Not proton only MAS also..having same problem losing..
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Proton and perodua are aiming at different market segments... whistling.gif
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sigh, y u all people still waste energy here bash perodua, defend proton, bash proton and defend perodua ? laugh.gif



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Last time Proton used to built low quality car and you can see everyone is complain about the new Proton car they own. They spoiling their own brand plus their line-up is outdated and not well accepted if compare to Perodua.

QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 23 2007, 03:48 PM)
Proton and perodua are aiming at different market segments...  whistling.gif
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Don't forget even at different market segments, Proton produce bigger and more stable car than Perodua at the same price. The Myvi is more popular than Savvy or Gen2 1.3, now the Kancil, Kenari, Kelisa or Viva also popular than Saga or Wira.

For the exterior and interior this new sedan is nothing just a Gen2 with longer body. No any major facelite like what Perodua done to their Kancil. Look at their new Waja facelite, what the different between the old Waja?

Just my 2 cent, apology for those who think I'm bashing Proton again.

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For the exterior and interior this new sedan is nothing just a Gen2 with longer body. No any major facelite like what Perodua done to their Kancil. Look at their new Waja facelite, what the difference between the old Waja?


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got termometer rear lignt laugh.gif

front looks like 1 of the vw model ... notworthy.gif

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