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post May 25 2020, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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It's not necessary cheaper.

By having your policy being paid off at a shorter period, due to the investment capital is received in a shorter period rather than little by little over the long term, you may potential gain a higher return due to that factor.

However, when such funds are put into an investment fund, it's always best to pay it on a monthly basis over the long term due to the averaging cost to mitigate the investment risk of fluctuation.
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post May 27 2020, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(veloos @ May 26 2020, 10:29 PM)
Hi All,

I had medical coverage from GE as below :

Life + CI
SM200 (medical)
Premium waiver
Smart Extender 120K

However due to family history, I may prone to be high risk on canceer. Hence, would like to get some advice :

1) Is my current coverage sufficient?
2) If no, is it advisable to top up (either additional riders or increase coverage limtis) or purchase from another insurance?

Other opinion or suggestion are welcome.
Thanks
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I would recommend to top up on critical illness.

As for your medical card, it’s advisable to upgrade as the annual limit coverage is low for the existing plan.

You have option to look and upgrade your existing policy or to pick up a newer policy.


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post May 27 2020, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 01:00 AM)
Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.
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If you're looking purely for cheap and low cost initially for your insurance coverage then term insurance will suit you.

You can go online and shop on which company you want to go with. The price won't really go far from what you've just mentioned.

Without knowing much more on what your commitments or income.

Basic guide is as below
10x of your annual income for life/TPD not inclusive of debts.
5x for Critical illness
Medical Card

Cheers.
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post May 27 2020, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(veloos @ May 27 2020, 01:26 AM)
Hi ckdenion, current life and CI are 300k, as for medical had additional rider smart extender which extend the annual limit to 1.2 mil with deductible of 120k which is cover using SM200 (120k annual limit with lifetime limit 1.2 mils) . Major burden will be my parents medical around 2-3k per month (installments)  n house loan of 1.5k.

Currently 36 n work as engineer.tq
Hi lifebalance, in ur opinion what will be the optimum amount for critical illness? FYI, I'm single.tq
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Recommended to be 5x of your annual income.

You can include in an early CI of 100k in case of any early stage cancer.

There are specific cancer plan that payouts for cancer and recovery.

I would suggest not to put too much burden on increasing too much on your insurance if your financial is tight with your current commitments. But otherwise go ahead to get more coverage if its a great concern for you.

Most newer medical plan comes with annual limit of 1 mil nowadays without much cost difference than the older plans.
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post May 27 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 10:50 AM)
Alright. In terms of claims, would you know which company tends to have the smoothest process? eTiQa looks good, but I'm keeping my options open.

In terms of income, my current gross is 4k. For now, I'm only wanting a term insurance that covers life and TPD only. In terms of CI and medical card, my current employer will cover that with no limits. Hence, they are unnecessary for the time being.
Thanks for the info. Though as some quick questions.

1) Even basic term insurance also will have increases in premium as policyholders age?

2) If premiums do increase over time, does the Sum Assured also increase as well? (i.e if it costs RM 50 per month for a RM 500k coverage for 20 years, if premium increases to RM 75 per month, does the SA go up to RM 550k for example)

Further, would you know which insurer have the broadest term insurance coverage on death / TPD? I didn't know about the exclusions and wonder if there are any general ones across the industry or some companies are more restrictive than others.
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Most of the claim process are done rather quickly as there are cut off time in place.

Bigger companies like AIA / Allianz have no issues so far.

Not sure about Etiqa though as they are smaller.

1. Yes all term insurance premium will increase over time as you grow older. You pay cheap now but it will be more expensive than an ILP monthly premium when you're much older.

Then when you think it will be cheaper 20 years later to buy an ILP insurance, it is not.

Insurance is a very fair product where you can't really beat the system (Insurance companies have actuarist to do all these calculations) to where you think you are saving cost now and expect the price will be cheaper later on.

2. No, unless the product provides such feature. Even so, the cost of insurance will normally increase as well with the policy, I've yet to see insurance company that don't charge for something they mention "Free".

Frankly no insurance company offer broad range of term insurance as it's a very basic coverage and its not profitable. They won't be focusing to make a product that has minority demand.
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post May 27 2020, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ May 27 2020, 05:09 PM)
Hi, can I ask one thing in regards to your industry.

Many times I have to sit down and listen to an agent talk for 1-2 hours about the product offering. I'm aware most features are standard. When I ask about their competitors and how their plan differs and what are the advantages / selling strengths, they are unable to give any meaningful points. Most of it boils down to "Let me see the policy and I'll advise you."

Is there a lot of obfuscation in regards to competing policies or is it just smoke and mirrors ? I understand a sale is hard to make in this time and age but I really despise having to sit down for an hour or two to make small talk for this sort of thing.
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That’s the disadvantage of dealing with agent who represent only 1 insurance company where they won’t give you a neutral point of view with real comparison. They may also be bias with their own company product while putting down on others.

I would normally provide 3 to 4 companies as comparison and let my client to decide for themselves
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 01:56 PM)
Looking for a pure no-frills standalone medical card.

I’m a 30 year old bank exec (group covered), single and a casual smoker. No pre existing medical conditions.

Budget is 3k/year and hoping to get the widest coverage with highest single bed R&B. No investment-linked plan pls. I do my own stock picking. Hope any sifus here can help me out.
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Well I can give you a list of it

QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:23 PM)
Thanks for your reply! I'm planning on getting a separate life insurance plan but not just yet. Main priority is to shop for the best medical card in the market in the event I get diagnosed with anything. Do medical cards generally not cover critical illnesses?
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Medical card covers for all hospitalization which includes critical illnesses.

QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:36 PM)
Is it advisable then to buy multiple medical cards from different providers so that coverage is more comprehensive (as in can use such and such medical card in event of that specific disease) ?
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Not necessary, it's a waste of money imo.

QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:47 PM)
So would a good solution in this case be to get a good main medical card (AIA maybe since almost everywhere is accepted with those stickers) as well as a secondary deductible medical card (given that deductible cards are cheaper?)
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If a single card with high annual limit does the job, there's no point in buying a separate card.
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post May 28 2020, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 04:24 PM)
I was advised by another forummer above that I run the risk of not being fully covered if I were to put all my eggs in a proverbial basket?

Also as discussed David, pure term life insurance can be bought for cheap online since BNM mandated the offering. Am planning to do so but at a much later date. Frankly I don't feel the critical illness payout is important since the bulk of the cost would be in treatments anyway which ought to be covered by the medical card no?
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rolleyes.gif that person may meant that
1. Insurance company not honoring the claims
2. The insurance plan may not cover all aspect (which may be true as not all insurance plan are the same, some medical card may be more comprehensive on certain type of diseases).

Then again we ask ourselves, the industry is governed by BNM, how far can an insurance company deny a claim if it’s genuine?

I’m sure the insurance company also won’t simply reject a claim unless otherwise.

As per your second question.

As per your statement, critical illness is a form of income replacement in the event you succumb to any of the critical illness. Your medical card may cover for the hospitalization cost, but what comes after you’re discharged ?

if you’re unable to work for a period of time then that’s a loss of income. if you have a strong savings account then you’ll rely on it.

However if you don’t, then the payout from the critical illness will help you out

This post has been edited by lifebalance: May 28 2020, 04:30 PM
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post May 28 2020, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 04:54 PM)
Cherroy has clarified and I've understood thanks.

No fear on rejection of claims. Just want the best medical card in the market within the specified budget. Don't really want life insurance, critical payout and investment linked because it's unnecessary bloat to the premium I'll be paying. If need be I'll add on the critical coverage payout later on but right now more focused on the medical card per se.
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tongue.gif I replied before cherroy but I guess the forum works in the way you read the latest post first before the previous post. But all is good.


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post May 29 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ May 29 2020, 09:48 AM)
Hi all,

I am having 2 AIA insurance.
1. A-Life CriticalCare (FullPay)
cover ALC2 A-LIFE CRITICALCARE(FULL) and DCF6 A-PLUS DISABILITYCARE
Premium: RM2,795

2. ANNIVERSARY LIFE PLAN
Cover: ALP2PB ANNIVERSARY LIFE PLAN and WP-N 3N EAPWP/BASIC
Both coverage amount is RM20k for each
Premium: RM398

Both plans are stated as Life insurance in the MyAIA online account. May I know is this correct? Should the first one is a medical insurance?

The first plan premium is quiet heavy to me. Having it for about 5 year, if I want to reduce my premium, besides the coverage amount will drop, what are the things will be affected?

Appreciate your advise. Thank you.
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Hi, both plans are not medical cards.

1st plan is on CI

2nd plan is on Life/Disability.

As for reducing of the premium. You may need to contact AIA if reducing the premium would reduce on the coverage or will it maintain with lower cash value.

As the plans are pretty old already.
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post May 30 2020, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ May 30 2020, 11:40 AM)
Hi all,

I would like to ask what is insurance charge? I only know it is only apply for medical and life insurance. It is a cost to the policyholder.

Can anyone give a simple for traditional medical/life insurance how to derive the figure for sum assured amount, cash value and death benefit since it has insurance charge exist.
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Insurance charges is the cost of insurance incurred by the policy, also known as profit for the insurance company. Of course at your cost in exchange for the insurance company services.

All these calculations are done backend by the insurance company. They won't reveal to you the exact figure unless you work in there.

Insurance premium used to be calculated manually via a rate card but it's all computerised now so insurance agent won't have to spend all their time to calculate on a policy before they sell it.
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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 30 2020, 05:59 PM)
Question for those with AIA,

For ILP the minimum monthly premium is RM150, however the selected option might be below RM150, lets say RM143. What does actually happen to the extra RM7 I would have to pay to meet the minimum premium?
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Nope, RM150 is the minimum amount to enter a policy with AIA.

For the extra amount, part of it goes to agent commission, investment, and fund management fees.
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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 30 2020, 06:48 PM)
So would it be better just to add on some coverage to meet the RM150, rather than paying extra for investment?

My AIA ILP plan was originally like this:

Health 6000
R&B Plan 200 (Deductible: 300)

RM143 Monthly Premium, would have to pay extra RM7 to meet monthly minimum.

Then, I added an extra coverage for HospitalIncome:

Health 6000
R&B Plan 200 (Deductible: 300)
HospitalIncome 100

RM153 Monthly Premium
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uh, no ?

Because adding an additional benefit would mean increased cost, hence you are paying extra premium for it over the long term.

While not adding anything additional would mean your policy sustains longer.

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 30 2020, 10:40 PM)
I had discussions with my life planner and using the iPad I can see the monthly premium generated depending on whatever options I choose. So when I tried to go for something not expensive I ended up with RM143 monthly premium (Life 6000, R&B 200 (300 Deductible)). My concern was more towards the medical card only rather than the life hence I put life at almost absolute minimal, while I judge R&B 200 to be adequate enough for me. Since I was short of RM7 to meet the RM150 minimum monthly premium, I thought that it would be a waste to not add some form of rider to make the premium closer to RM150. I was recommended by my life planner to take the waiver extra but I decided for HospIncome 100 since I felt it would be more worth it (if I recall these two options have the same premium). Would you guys have recommended me something else?

Some Info:
Age before birthday: 23
Occupation: Consultant (Office Work)
Non-Smoker
Single
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I would look for a more complete all-rounder coverage. Different people have their own plans. Your insurance agent should advise you, but it's up to you to take the action.

If you're looking for just medical alone then you should have opted for a standalone card instead of ILP.

Whether it's an issue of budget, personal choice, not sure what you're buying, have your own thoughts that opted you to choose the above for yourself. I don't know.

QUOTE(rocketm @ May 30 2020, 11:05 PM)
May I know for any insurance type, if I have 2 same insurance type with different sum assured, when I would like to claim it, the claim form would require to fill up any similar insurance you have both with the company and with other insurance company, will the claim amount proportionate if submit both insurance claim together or submit one another after the first claim is approved?
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You're talking about life or medical ?
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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 30 2020, 11:35 PM)
Its meant to be projected up to 80 years sustainability in the policy but of course that could easily change I suppose. My concern is if I just drop the HospIncome, would that RM7 be sort of wasted? But from what I gather from the feedback here, the extra RM7 does go to investment so it would increase sustainability. I guess I do not see any extra riders that would be of real use to me as compared to extra sustainability...
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Nothing is really wasted. You'll be just allocating the budget elsewhere.

It's just like you have RM10 now, an item cost RM9.70, do you feel that 0.30 cents change is wasted or do you need to purposely find an item worth 0.30 cent or higher, say RM3 to make it feel better for you to utilize your initial RM10?

But then you would have overspent if you had only budgeted RM10 initially.

Getting the picture here ?

QUOTE(rocketm @ May 30 2020, 11:40 PM)
May I know for different insurance type case?

Situation 1
2 Medical insurance

Situation 2
2 critical illness insurance

Situation 3
2 life insurance
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1. Medical you will have to claim from 1 card first then subsequently once it's been fully utilized, you can claim on the 2nd card (based on annual limit)
Policy 1 - Annual Limit RM50,000
Policy 2 - Annual Limit RM100,000
Example: Surgery cost RM130,000, you decided to claim RM100,000 on policy 2 and balance RM30,000 on Policy 1.

2. & 3. The amount will be summed up, example,
Policy 1 - RM50,000
Policy 2 - RM30,000
Upon CI/Death, payout will total to RM80,000.

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ May 31 2020, 12:09 AM)
Question, we would expect the COI of standalone medical to be higher than ILP during the later years. But shouldn't the COI rise approximately the same for both (assuming both have R&B 200)? If we do not look at ILP with its investment returns offsetting the increase in premium, the COI for both standalone and ILP would be about the same no? Sorry I just want to understand the concept here.
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That would depend on the plan that you're comparing with, probably it's best you get a quote on the ILP and compare the illustration with the table on a standalone card with a similar benefit i.e same R&B and Annual Limit from the COI Table.

With that being said, just buy an insurance because you need the protection and not being too calculative on the back figures.


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QUOTE(renee78 @ May 31 2020, 04:38 PM)
I understood that life insurance may cover certain medical problems that are not covered by medical card.

Does anybody have a list of this?
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There is no such list. Perhaps anything that is a pre-existing illness.

However you may refer to the list of things exempted/not covered within the policy.


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QUOTE(Gambit_8888 @ May 31 2020, 08:53 PM)
There are some interesting insurance plans offered by foreign agents / brokers.
1. What does it take to demand the local preferences insurance companies to offer the same / similar packages?
2. Can I take take the overseas plans to sell in Malaysia? Are there laws against it and what does it take to make it happen?

Thanks
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You have to be licensed to sell the product.

QUOTE(renee78 @ May 31 2020, 09:08 PM)
Somebody was indicating that it was better to have life insurance because of a medical card, because life insurance includes more illnesses than a medical card. In his case his wife had problems during giving birth and needed to go into ICU which would not be covered by medical card according to him but still covered by life insurance.

So I was wondering what other conditions/medical problems/medical emergencies are not covered by medical card, but only covered by life insurance.
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Hmm don’t know how they get that idea but whether it’s a standalone or life insurance with investment link medical card, they work pretty much the same.

Hope this is clear that there is no such thing as a much special above all medical card with special t&c unless stated otherwise explicitly by the insurance company
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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Jun 1 2020, 06:23 AM)
Hi guys wta does health insurance cover sex related injuries???
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Specifically what kind of sex related injuries ?

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Jun 1 2020, 01:02 PM)
Example you injured your private part?
If they cover it it they will use the fund from the annual limit?
Bcs I see there is something called emergency accident outpatient what does this mean?
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Yes you can, under outpatient if it's not serious, otherwise you can claim under inpatient if surgery is required.

Outpatient would mean you're not required to be hospitalized to be treated. Normally the injuries are minor

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