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GE-DavidK
post May 27 2020, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 01:00 AM)
Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.
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Considering you are clear with your objectives and looking for a term coverage, an ideal coverage for life insurance is 10 to 15 times your annual income. If you have any outstanding debts, you will need to take it into consideration as well.

As for critical illness coverage, it would be 3 to 5 years of income replacement, assuming a RM5,000 monthly expense, RM300,000 critical illness coverage would be ideal.

For the eTiQa plan you mentioned, you will need to take note that the annual premium will increase every year which is shown in the sales illustration. There is also some major exclusion in this plan such as TPD caused by consumption of alcohol, inhalation of poisonous gas, etc.

QUOTE(veloos @ May 27 2020, 01:26 AM)
Hi ckdenion, current life and CI are 300k, as for medical had additional rider smart extender which extend the annual limit to 1.2 mil with deductible of 120k which is cover using SM200 (120k annual limit with lifetime limit 1.2 mils) . Major burden will be my parents medical around 2-3k per month (installments)  n house loan of 1.5k.

Currently 36 n work as engineer.tq
Hi lifebalance, in ur opinion what will be the optimum amount for critical illness? FYI, I'm single.tq
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Hi veloos, I assume you have the Smart Extender Max which extended the annual limit with deductible of 120k. So for medical protection wise, I think the protection is adequate.

If the life and CI coverage are from medical card, then the amount is shared together. In other words, once you claimed CI, life would be reduced by 300k as well. You may consider adding life insurance due to this reason.

An ideal CI coverage would be 5 years of income replacement. You will need to take into account of any debts you have at the moment. 300k CI coverage you have should be enough for 5 years of income replacement.
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post May 27 2020, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 10:50 AM)
Alright. In terms of claims, would you know which company tends to have the smoothest process? eTiQa looks good, but I'm keeping my options open.

In terms of income, my current gross is 4k. For now, I'm only wanting a term insurance that covers life and TPD only. In terms of CI and medical card, my current employer will cover that with no limits. Hence, they are unnecessary for the time being.
Thanks for the info. Though as some quick questions.

1) Even basic term insurance also will have increases in premium as policyholders age?

2) If premiums do increase over time, does the Sum Assured also increase as well? (i.e if it costs RM 50 per month for a RM 500k coverage for 20 years, if premium increases to RM 75 per month, does the SA go up to RM 550k for example)

Further, would you know which insurer have the broadest term insurance coverage on death / TPD? I didn't know about the exclusions and wonder if there are any general ones across the industry or some companies are more restrictive than others.
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Considering you are planning to get insurance online, the process can be frustrating if you do not know where to look for when doing claims. For eTiQa, it would be via email or phone call to their customer service. For claims with complications, good agents can help clients to appeal against the insurance company.

As for employee benefits, you will need to take into account that:

1. You might change job in the future or getting retrenched due to uncertainty of economy
2. Employee benefits is not guaranteed and companies may change their benefits from time to time
3. For CI coverage, companies may terminate you while you are recovering from CI

Due to the above reasons, I would advise getting an all in one medical plan with life insurance, CI, waiver would be the best for your age which is still in early twenties. This would serve as the first layer of protection for you and protect you from all angles.

As lifebalance mentioned, we won't be able to beat the insurance system whether we choose term insurance or investment-linked. However, we have to agree that insurance is essential to us because it is using a small expense to exchange for a large payout.

1) For most term insurance, the premium will increase according to age band or every 5 years which is why it is affordable in the first place.
2) No, sum assured does not increase while premium is increased.
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post May 28 2020, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 01:56 PM)
Looking for a pure no-frills standalone medical card.

I’m a 30 year old bank exec (group covered), single and a casual smoker. No pre existing medical conditions.

Budget is 3k/year and hoping to get the widest coverage with highest single bed R&B. No investment-linked plan pls. I do my own stock picking. Hope any sifus here can help me out.
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For your budget of 3k/year, you can easily get an investment-linked with coverage for life insurance, critical illness, waiver and hospitalisation.

As for standalone medical card with the highest single bed R&B and annual limit, it can be done with approximately RM100 per month.
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post May 28 2020, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:23 PM)
Thanks for your reply! I'm planning on getting a separate life insurance plan but not just yet. Main priority is to shop for the best medical card in the market in the event I get diagnosed with anything. Do medical cards generally not cover critical illnesses?
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Medical card will cover any hospitalisation bills caused by critical illness.

For example, one day you get cancer and you need to undergo chemotherapy treatment in the hospital. Medical card will pay for any treatment costs incurred to the hospital.

If you have critical illness coverage (investment-linked medical policy), you will get additional cash lump sum depending on the amount you signed up. The medical card in the investment-link will still pay for hospital bills.


You will need the critical illness cash lump sum for the reasons below:

- If you get cancer, you are unable to work and therefore you need money to survive, hence this critical illness coverage can help you
- The money can be used as living expenses, buy medical supplements, travelling, children's education etc.
- A good critical illness coverage would be able to cover for at least 3 years of income replacement or approximately RM180,000 coverage (Assuming RM5,000 monthly expenses)
- You can spend 3 years to recover from cancer and return to workforce after your recovery.
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post May 28 2020, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:36 PM)
Is it advisable then to buy multiple medical cards from different providers so that coverage is more comprehensive (as in can use such and such medical card in event of that specific disease) ?
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For medical card, usually just one medical card will do as the annual limit is usually more than enough to be future proof. As for life insurance/critical illness policies, it is common to own multiple policies at one time.

In some cases, like clients who bought medical card 10 years ago, their annual limit could be as low as RM50k per year. It would be wasteful to terminate the old medical card and get a totally new one, so we usually advise to get a second medical card with deductible to supplement the first one.
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post May 28 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ May 28 2020, 03:47 PM)
So would a good solution in this case be to get a good main medical card (AIA maybe since almost everywhere is accepted with those stickers) as well as a secondary deductible medical card (given that deductible cards are cheaper?)
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A good medical card usually has the following features:

- No deductible
- High annual limit (At least one million to be future proof)
- Covers outpatient cancer treatment and kidney dialysis
- No lifetime limit

There would be no need for a secondary medical card if the first medical card can cover for everything. I would advise to increase your life insurance or critical illness coverage as your second policy.
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post May 31 2020, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ May 31 2020, 12:57 PM)
Thank you for the detail explanation.

Perhaps, I need to consider what is the effect of downgrade my CI insurance and then decide a traditional medical insurance (if possible with card).
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You may fill a request for amendment form to reduce the coverage of CI insurance. Other than reduced benefits with cheaper premium, there is no other effects. The length of coverage should stay the same.

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post Jun 1 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(RiriRuruRara @ Jun 1 2020, 01:02 PM)
Example you injured your private part?
If they cover it it they will use the fund from the annual limit?
Bcs I see there is something called emergency accident outpatient what does this mean?
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Emergency accident outpatient is for injuries caused by accidents which don't need hospitalisation. As for annual limit, it is claimed for treatment requiring hospitalisation or surgeries in general.

For example, you fell down and dislocated your knee. You were admitted to emergency department of the hospital and the doctors fixed you on the spot. You are not required to stay overnight in the hospital.

Therefore, you can claim under this emergency accident outpatient.
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post Jun 1 2020, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Bearberry @ Jun 1 2020, 04:25 PM)
Hello everyone,

I'm planning to buy a medical insurance soon.

Details about myself:

i) In my late 20s.
ii) Not married.
iii) No dependents (so life insurance is not needed).
iv) No pre-existing illness.
v) Occupational Class 1.

Do you think a standalone medical insurance is sufficient for now or I should opt for ILP?

Any suggestions are welcomed!
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You will need to reconsider about life insurance even though if you do not have dependents.

It is true that single people with no children often don't need life insurance because no one is relying on their income. However, your parents could be your dependents.

If one day you died, someone will have to foot your funeral expenses. That's when life insurance comes in and even though the life insurance is small, it can be used to cover these expenses.

In the future, you will accumulate debts with house mortgages and car loans. This first medical insurance of yours with life insurance will be your first layer of defence if anything happens.


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post Jun 1 2020, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(omegaoracle @ Jun 1 2020, 06:43 PM)
Dear sifus.

I've been looking around for Critical Illness plans and found a few that offers it online. So I have been doing some noob comparison between Sun Life's eCritical Sheild-i, GE's Critical Care Direct and Takaful's myClick.

Decided myClick would work best for me due a few reasons, but mainly the others have survivability clause where I would have to survive a critical illness to claim. I can't imagine me surviving a major heart attack or stroke, but that's just me.

Before committing to myClick, I searched the forum for any feedbacks or information for self affirmation lol

Has anyone got insight or feedback or is on the myClick plan to give your review?
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For Takaful's myClick, according to the product disclosure sheet, the survival period must be 30 days from the date of diagnosis of critical illness. Some insurance company like Great Eastern offer 14 days survival period.

Critical illness coverage is a cash lump sum paid to you, the money is used for:

- For your daily living expenses since you most likely will lose the ability to work (3 years of living expenses or approximately RM200,000 coverage would be a good start)
- For your children's education fund
- To pay for additional medical costs like medical supplements
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post Jun 4 2020, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(sunnie11 @ Jun 4 2020, 11:27 AM)
Hi all sifus here,
I has been annoyed by insurance recently, and this is the case.

I am currently pregnant. My husband is 38 years old this year. The next birthday is 39 years old. Since we going to have first child on this September, we started to have heavy responsibility and started to review our insurances respectively.

My husband:

Because we going to welcome first kid soon, and although I am self-employed, my income is not stable, so I mainly depend on my husband’s income. I am planning to purchase GE SPW20 for husband. Recently, the agent also quoted the price, as follows.

RM3000/annual
life insurance :RM500k
critical illness:RM200k
waiver benefit/TPD

I know that SPW20 is 20-year insurance. Although there is auto extension, I expect that the cash value in 20th years will no longer be able to sustain/maintain insurance. It is very likely that I will need to increase/pump money go inside. But I think at least these 20 years we are insured by GE. After 20 years, kid grow up and became independent. If there is any accident within 20years, at least me and my kid we still may have money continue to survive.
Husband currently only have 2 of GE insurances , and they were all old insurance policies.
One was purchased in 1994 and one was purchased in 2008.

1994-coverage end 2080>easipay-whole life with special cash bonus; sum assured RM20,806 ;RM90/monthly

2008-->medical card ; hospital room 200/day ; 100k/annual limit ; 400k/ lifetime limit;RM390/montly
         -->life insurance;35k
         -->critical illness;20k
below are the details of each rider.
CENTENNIAL ADDVANTAGE INSURANCE ; MYR35,000
IL-HEALTHPROTECTOR ; MYR200 [coverage end 2051]
CRITICAL ILLNESS BENEFIT RIDER ; MYR20,000 [coverage end 2080]
IL WAIVER OF PREMIUM PLUS ;  MYR23,510 [coverage end 2051]

In fact, currently husband budget for one month's premium is within about RM450-500.

Total amount(assume include SPW20): RM470/montly
life: 20,806+35,000+500,000=555,806
critical illness:20,000+200,000=220,000
medical: hospital room 200/day ; 100k/annual limit ; 400k/ lifetime limit

I asked agent to see whether husband if the medical card could be possible to upgrade. The agent said that because the insurance policy was too old, there was no way to upgrade, so I need to buy a new medical insurance. But looking at the most basic price of the new medical+life insurance policy requires at least RM350 a month. The better sum assured policy require RM500 a month, which is too unaffordable. So i plan the old insurance policy should be continued, and then focus on purchase new life insurance now.

I hope everything is clear. Hope sifus can advise me.
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You have the correct concept that having SPW20 will be able to insure your husband in the event of unexpected in this 20 years. I am also glad that you are informed that the cash value of SPW20 will most likely be depleted after 20 years and you will need add more premium if you want to extend the policy.

Based on your details, if you signed up for SPW20, your husband's life insurance and critical illness coverage are at a good amount and the coverage is able to cover the most important of his working years considering he is the breadwinner of the family.

The problem here is the annual limit of 100k and lifetime limit of 400k which is very low in today's standards. You may consider getting a medical card with high deductible so you still can keep the first medical card and don't have to wait for the waiting period.

As for your budget, let me rephrase as below:

Easipay Whole Life: RM90 /monthly
Medical Card: RM390 /monthly
SPW20: RM250/monthly

Total: RM730/monthly

So your husband's commitment with insurance might be out of the budget which is RM500 range if you commit to SPW20, so you have to take note of this.

This post has been edited by GE-DavidK: Jun 4 2020, 12:31 PM
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post Jun 4 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Jun 4 2020, 01:38 PM)
Age: 24
Premium: RM135/month, RM1650/year
Premium payable term: 36 years or 60 years old, maturity in 2055.

Allianz Life + Medical ILP (Alliance PowerLink + MediSafe Infinite + Optional Benefit)

Insured: RM5,000 only (I dont plan to insure a lot since no dependant yet, but planning to increase to around RM500k if I found 'the one'  biggrin.gif ) Can someone work out if I plan to increase to RM500k how much premium would that be? That'd be great too.

Medical: Plan 200
R&B - RM200
Annual limit - RM1.5mil
Lifetime - No limit

hmmm was wondering if this plan I have is optimal? I plan to get a separate term life insurance and separate medical card instead of a single ILP that combine life and medical, would it be cheaper if I get term life and medical card separately?
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Looks ok for the coverage of the medical card. Since you are getting an ILP, you need to take note of the sustainability of the policy as well as adding waiver into the policy which makes the coverage more complete.

As for how much it would cost for a 500k life insurance, it can be done with RM200 a month including critical illness coverage. If you are looking for a whole life coverage (up to age 100), it would cost more as well.


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post Jun 5 2020, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(tornado dot com @ Jun 4 2020, 10:51 PM)
Hi all, looking for medical coverage for my mother, aged 59 next birthday. Any medical plans to recommend? Need quotations.

Would prefer level premium plans.

We are ok with budget up to 4k per year, if it's available.
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For this age and budget, it is difficult to get a level premium plan. You may consider standalone medical card which can fulfill your budget but the premium is increasing every 5 years of age.
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post Jun 7 2020, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(datolee32 @ Jun 6 2020, 07:09 PM)
Hi, I would like to know where to find the annual bonus statement for Great Insurance Saving Plan in the e-CONNECT? I am paying GREAT CASH GAIN package monthly, I look for the statement, it show "information is not available".
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Do you have the policy with you? The policy should have a page with guaranteed bonus you are getting each year. You should also receive a physical letter every year from Great Eastern about the guaranteed cash payment you are getting.
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post Jun 7 2020, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Jun 7 2020, 11:11 PM)
What’s the price range for this?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 7 2020, 11:14 PM)
250 monthly onwards
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Depending on the age of the mother (due to the payor waiver rider and mother's risk) as well as the amount life insurance/CI coverage you want for the child's medical card. I would say it's from RM200 per month onwards.
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post Jun 8 2020, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Jun 8 2020, 03:01 PM)
Is there any traditional medical plan for lady cover medical bills and hospitalization for person age 64 years old this December?

For traditional medical insurance, will the policy holder get any payout (cash value/dividend) when they terminate or mature?

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Any AIA agent can clarify what is Critical Illness Type 2 Coverage? How do we know the Critical illness insurance should go to 100% medical or 100% life and 60% life while remaining 40% to medical for tax reporting purpose?
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Maximum entry age for any person is age 70. So if the lady is still age 64, then she is eligible to get medical card, providing that she doesn't have any pre-existing conditions.

For traditional medical insurance/standalone, there is no cash value/dividend when terminate. Only investment-linked medical insurance provide cash value.

For your question on AIA's critical illness type 2 coverage, I believe you should be able to check that in your policy whether it is type 1 or 2.
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post Jun 9 2020, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Jun 9 2020, 04:28 PM)
Hi all, I (36M) currently have a GE plan (investment linked):-

life coverage 150k
critical illness 150k
medical RM150/990k annual limit

Paying RM325 a month. My wife (35) is uninsured except for work insurance. We just paid off our home so now looking at medical/life insurance for both. 2 children (4/6 yrs).

Annual net income is about 85k for me and 45k for my wife.

I'm comfortable with my medical coverage, but my life coverage seems quite small. Does it make more sense to:-

1. Increase my life coverage with current provider (GE) either by topup or buying separate life plan?
2. Buy a life coverage plan with another provider (fi.life?)

At my current age, 20 year term seems a bit short (although it will cover the most 'dangerous' part of life in terms of expenses la). How much should I expect to pay to top up to 1 million (meaning +850k) full life coverage?

Frustrating that there's no way to compare ringgit-for-ringgit coverage between the providers.

Also for my wife's insurance needs, at the very least I want to get about 1 million medical plan for her (life coverage not sure yet), is it better to stick with current provider or should I diversify to other provider?
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It would be better to get another life insurance policy with different length of coverage as you want to cover your most 'dangerous' part of your life while your kids are still young and relying on your income.

For your medical coverage, it is sufficient and future proof.

You can consider to increase your life and critical illness coverage. Depending on your needs and objective, The length of the policy coverage can be adjusted for short term protection (i.e. 20 years) or become whole life (up to age 100) if your objective is to leave a big inheritance for your wife/kids.

As for your wife, you should also consider getting a medical insurance for her, with reduced life and critical illness coverage if budget is limited. This is because work insurance's annual limit is usually very limited.
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hoochygal @ Jun 12 2020, 02:24 PM)
Thanks for ur reply smile.gif
I have an existing medical and investment link bought from my uncle previously. Thats why i dont have faith in investment link.

Im interested in the traditional policy coz my main purpose is to max my life insurance portion in tax deduction but at the same time help me save some money and so long i get the guaranteed amount at same value of what i have paid or alitle bit more would b better. And yeah critical illness only should b ok. And 5, 10, 20 yrs sounds good to me, and depends which gv me a better return %.

Yeah could u recommend some traditional policy for me, prefer great eastern, aia, allianz, pru to compare with.

Age 38 f
Non smoker and no history of any medical issue
Office 9-5 white collar

Thanks
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For traditional life policies, some are leveled premium (fixed throughout the coverage), and some will increase according to age bands, so you will have to take note of this. I believe traditional policies will cover up to age 80 as long as you continue to pay. When you feel that you do not need the coverage anymore, you only have to simply stop paying and the policy will terminate on its own.

As for investment-linked life policies, you can choose the length of coverage, and upon maturity you will get cash value based on the performance of the investment.
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post Jun 13 2020, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Jun 13 2020, 01:18 PM)
When exploring options for insurance for female 35 years (next birthday) non smoker, I spoke to both a GE agent and an AIA agent.

GE agent said RM220 monthly for 990k annual limit room&board 150 (with minimal 12k life protection)

AIA agent said RM300 for their 150 package (500k annual limit, 20k life protection).

Seems like a huge difference for reduced coverage, which means I must be missing something, but I also dunno how to ask further as they seem directly comparable to me. Can the insurance agents here suggest what the possible differences could be to cause the huge difference in cost?

Thanks for all who offered to meet me to draw up a plan, but I very much prefer posting publicly in LYN for everyone's benefit (if that's okay with you).
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For GE quotation, it's possible that CI and waiver rider has been added in the quotation above. There is still some small room to increase benefits if you want to. Here's what I quoted based on age 35, female.

Life: 12k
CI: 12k
Room: RM150
Annual Limit: RM990,000
Lifetime Limit: No Limit
Waiver Rider for TPD and CI

Monthly Premium: RM220 (Sustainability up to age 76)
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post Jun 18 2020, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(zhuanko @ Jun 17 2020, 11:43 PM)
Guys, I'm in the middle of selecting life insurance between prudential and GE.

Both policy is quite similar to what I want, only the GE is thirty bucks more expensive.

The hearsay is GE claim is easier and faster than PRU? Pls share your experience.

Another question is, does PRU has the tendency to increase premium over period of time?

Thanks.
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You need to look at the sustainability of the policy. Most likely GE's sustainability is longer than Prudential's if the benefits is similar because GE's premium is higher. Also GE has just recently revised the price for medical card, so it's unlikely to have another medical repricing in the near future.

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