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GE-DavidK
post Jun 18 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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As you mentioned, insurance is for protection, not investment. Life insurance is a form of protection as well, so there is no need to reduce the life insurance portion.

There are some benefits to have some form of life insurance:

1. Life insurance money will not be frozen and will be passed to your beneficiaries for use immediately.
2. Using small periodical payments to exchange for large payout.
3. Considering you are just age 35, life insurance is to make sure that your family can maintain the same standard of living (daily expenses, children's education fund, parents' expenses, etc) if you were to pass away tomorrow.
3. Rule of thumb is to have life insurance coverage 10 times your annual income.

Looking at your policies in medical card as well as GETC (without looking at the sum assured), it looks like you are covered quite well in terms of medical insurance as well as critical illness.
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post Jun 20 2020, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM)
I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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Yes you can do so buying multiple life insurance. Take note that online life insurance sometimes have different length of coverage. If you are looking for cash value return, you can look at investment-linked policies where the coverage can be extended to whole life.

I wouldn't advise to go for 10 times annual income life insurance at one go. It would be more balanced to increase life insurance as well as critical illness coverage to improve your protection from all angles.


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post Jun 21 2020, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(Unkelpipit @ Jun 20 2020, 10:42 PM)
Hi guys, what insurance plans is best for a woman at 40 yrs old with 02 kids age 17 and 13?

Should she get term insurance till 99yrs for herself and ILP insurance for her 2 kids? What add ons do you recommend?

Their whole family members do not know anything about medical insurance and only goes to govt hospital and so far no issue with payments saying its affordable and maybe because they are bumi. How best to explain this insurance things with them?

Thanks in advance guys
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Medical term insurance or standalone medical does not come with any life/critical illness coverage. It only covers for hospital bills. You will need to get separate policies for life/critical illness in this case. Standalone medical insurance tend to be cheaper in the short run but the premium will also increase according to age every 5 years.

For your first insurance policy, I would advise getting ILP medical insurance because the coverage is more comprehensive. Think of it as an all in one package including life, critical illness and medical. You can choose the coverage up to age 70 or up to age 90 depending on the budget.
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post Jun 21 2020, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(GagaRemix @ Jun 21 2020, 12:29 PM)
Is there any Disability Income Insurance product in Malaysia?

According to LIAM, this type of insurance covers a portion of the income in the event that the policyholder is displaced from work when stricken with an illness or an injury.
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Yes, this is usually referred to as Total Permanent Disability (TPD) or critical illness (CI) coverage. The benefits are usually paid in one lump sum to you as cash.

For CI coverage, ideal amount is to be 5 times your annual income to cover for approximately 5 years of annual expenses to recover from illnesses and get back to the workforce.
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post Jun 21 2020, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Jun 21 2020, 02:20 PM)
I got a quotation from Prudential as I wanted a plan which has minimal investments and more towards hospitalization. This is what I got quoted.

RM 360/month premium. Age next birthday 26, class occupation 1, smoker.

Is this on the high side or normal to pay so much at such a young age?

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RM360 premium for your age is definitely on the high side. I will try to sum up your Prudential benefits as below:

Life: 100k
Critical Illness: 100k
Room & Board: RM300
Annual Limit: RM1.5 million with RM300 deductible
Waiver Rider

Any Prudential sifu, please correct me if I am wrong.

I think the reason for the expensive premium is probably due to your smoker status and the coverage is up to age 100.
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post Jun 21 2020, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(shuqian6991 @ Jun 21 2020, 11:18 PM)
I am a 24 yo non smoking female with considerably high myopia, still in university, have not bought any insurance before, and want to buy medical insurance, what should I get? Preferably it covers critical illness.
Also, I feel stupid to ask, is there insurance plan that will pay for my medical fees such as consultation, treatment, tests, admitting to the hospital etc without having me to pay from my wallet first?

Thanks
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Get medical insurance with a bit of life, critical illness and waiver coverage. Make sure the length of coverage and sustainability of the policy is up to the age you are comfortable with.

To answer your question, the medical card will pay for your consultation, treatment and tests when you are admitted to the panel hospital. In another example, if the result of the consultation does not require any further treatment, surgeries or hospitalisation, you will need to pay for the consultation by yourself.

To sum it up, medical insurance is used for the following 3 purposes:

1) Accidents treatment
2) Hospitalisation
3) Surgeries or Outpatient Treatment
GE-DavidK
post Jun 22 2020, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(jyjyjyjy @ Jun 22 2020, 12:08 PM)
Hi, I am a 26 y/o non smoker male who is looking to top up my life insurance coverage for RM500k. I am currently comparing the ILPs between:

1. Prudential PruWealth Max
2. GreatEastern SmartProtect Legacy Max
3. AIA A-Life Wealth Care
(I approached Allianz as well but it's ILP - PremierLink Advance is not as feature-packed as the other 3)

All the ILPs are of 5 years premium payment term and sum assured 500k with waiver rider. The monthly premium for Pru and GE is the same @ 1109, while the monthly premium for AIA is ~1165. Pru and AIA coverage term is until ANB70 (auto extendable to ANB100), while GE is until ANB100.

Can I get some feedback on which ILP should I go for? Coz currently I am only with Pru (Prulife ready policy) so I am not sure how the other 2 insurers perform in terms of stability in investment returns as well as the smoothness of claim process.
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Difference in the insurance companies are generally the same. Like you mentioned, the length of coverage for the policies can be different. You will need to look for whether waiver is included and whether you are comfortable with the projected sustainability of the policy.

I would advise you to add critical illness coverage to balance your protection portfolio considering you have a large budget for insurance.
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post Jun 24 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jun 24 2020, 12:19 AM)
Life: 1M
CI rider: 300
Whole life start 26 yo for 40 years, no ILP.

$100/month, good deal?

I feel like cancelling life insurance tbh, no plan to get married knock someone up at the moment.
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$100 per month is in RM and the premium remains the same for 40 years?

If this is true, then it is a really good deal for 1M life and 300k CI. For ILP, it will take about RM400 a month for such benefits.

QUOTE(jack2 @ Jun 24 2020, 12:25 AM)
let me check it.

I am trying to buy for my sister who is OKU in "intelektual' but Manulife wanted her to do medical check up and premium is high.

I don't see there are any valid reasons for the needed to do medical check and impose high premium. Don't tell me intelektual has higher risk in all diseases.

Is this one kind of discrimination?
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The medical checkup is to ensure that the person does not have any pre-existing conditions and have a smooth claim process in the process. The insurance company just want to have confirmation from the doctor side that the person is low intellectual in terms of IQ, rather than mental disorder or deterioration of mental capacity which could lead to Alzheimer's Disease.

As for whether the premium is expensive, we will need to look at the benefits of the policy and the monthly premium as well as the person's age.
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post Jun 24 2020, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Jun 24 2020, 09:44 AM)
Thanks for the response.

ILP is a red line I will not cross personally, I would rather keep it simple and pay minimum amount required to get insured.

But again, I don't have any dependants and not sure if it will remain this way for foreseeable future. And will RM 1M will be too much?
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I do have a client who has 1M insured by paying RM100 monthly (term insurance) who has similar age as you. However, he didn't know that the plan is yearly renewable which means that the plan will increase premium every year, so it's better for you to check on the premium schedule to set the expectations right. As for ILP, the premium will stay leveled and there is cash value at the end of the maturity depending on the design of the policy.

The rule of thumb is to have life insurance 10 times your annual income. In the future, if you are planning not to get married or have children, I would say that 1M is definitely on the high side, unless your objective is to leave this sum of money to your parents.

Having a higher critical illness coverage might be more suitable for you if you have no dependents and CI coverage is paid to you as cash lump sum if you are diagnosed with critical illness.


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post Jun 30 2020, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(jacsotong @ Jun 29 2020, 10:38 PM)
I'm 33 years old, just married second year & no kid yet. Existing got ILP with 70k life insured only.

Am thinking to add more protection on life insurance. Should i go for whole life or term plan? am considering the GE Great Term Direct plan....
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There are many ways to do this. Depending on your needs.

Do you only want to cover your most important years, i.e. working age up to age 55? Or you want to build an inheritance for your next of kin, then you should go for whole life. Of course, whole life's premium will be more expensive than the term coverage.

The next question to ask, is whether you want to go for term insurance (traditional) or investment-linked. Term insurance can be slightly cheaper now but the premium will increase according to age (some term insurance will stay leveled). Investment-linked will stay fixed until the sustainability runs out and has cash value to withdraw anytime.

QUOTE(angyte @ Jun 29 2020, 11:46 PM)
Hi,

I am currently age 27, and my medical policy started more than 3 years ago on nov-2016.

My medical policy covered until age 100, under GE which the premium is 200 monthly, with 990k yearly and unlimited lifetime medical cost, 50k on life/tpd/CI and 20 years premium waiver.

Recently I checked on the GE portal, it show that my policy can sustain until end of policy term.
Can I know:
1. Is it really rm200/m can sustain until age 100?
2. How trustworthy is the projection on the sustainability? Where can I get the info how the project it?
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1. For premium of RM200 per month, with 990k yearly and 50k life/CI, it is very unlikely that the sustainability can last until age 100. My estimation based on my experience is that the sustainability for your policy is around age 70 or even less due to the recent medical repricing.

What you are seeing is that the policy can last until age 100, it is probably the length of coverage of your policy. For Great Eastern, it is most likely to be age 90 with auto extension rather than age 100.


2. The projection is not guaranteed. There is a best case scenario (Y) and worst case scenario (X). It not guaranteed and the market can perform better than Y or worse than X.

You should be able to find the projection at your policy copy. At the page with the projected investment value for each year up to age 90 ++.

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post Jul 1 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(tonyckt @ Jun 30 2020, 09:04 PM)
I bought GE life with death coverage 500k at rm150 monthly. Do we have cheaper package without investment link, purely death coverage. How much monthly premium will it be ?
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RM150 monthly for 500k coverage is extremely cheap, for a whole life policy it would cost at least RM200 per month for a person who are in their early twenties and this is with investment-linked.

My guess is that your policy could either be:

1. Investment-linked policy with 20 year coverage
2. Or, it is simply a traditional policy (without investment-linked)

Do you know what is the name of your life policy?
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post Jul 2 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Bearberry @ Jul 1 2020, 04:07 PM)
Is Personal Accident another type of rider like CI? Does it mean that if I got into an accident (touch wood), it will provide a payout?
Not required at the moment but I can still add the rider in future if I need it right?
Hi ckdenion. The payout for CI is only applicable after the patient is discharged is it? I have another question though. For female illnesses, it's not covered in any Medical Card right?
Sorry but what is the main difference between standalone and term life insurance?
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Personal accident will only pay due to accidental causes (Fell down, car accidents, etc.). Non-accidental causes like illness, stroke, cancer, you won't be able to claim under personal accident insurance.

Yes, you can increase the life insurance amount in your policy in the future or get another life insurance policy separately. This is assuming you remain healthy in the future.

CI will be paid upon diagnosis of CI. For Great Eastern, the survival period is 14 days, which means upon diagnosis of CI, you will need to survive for 14 days then only the CI will be paid to you.

For female specific illnesses such as facial/breast reconstructive surgery due to accidents, pregnancy/infant related complications, you may add this separately to your medical policy. This type of female specific illnesses are not covered under the normal medical insurance. Cancers such as breast cancer will still be covered under the normal medical insurance.

QUOTE(Barricade @ Jul 2 2020, 03:11 PM)
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I bought this for my daughter before she was born. The insurance agent is kinda pushy. I'm paying around RM190 per month. PRUlink managed fund 2 value also like crap, around RM755 only after 3 years. I was thinking of buying a new policy and terminating this one. Any suggestion?
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This is a medical card for your daughter. The policy benefits looks ok to me for the premium you are paying. You are getting very small investment return because I believe the policy is designed with maximum benefits rather than investment due to the low premium of RM190.

To sum up, the benefits of your daughter's policy is as below:

Life: 50k
CI: 50k
Child Specific Illness: 50k
Personal Accident: 50k
Room & Board: RM200 per day

Very likely the life, CI and child specific illness are sharing the same 50k. Will need to check the policy to confirm.

As for whether it is advisable to terminate this policy and get a new one, you might need to increase the premium to get the same benefits or downgrade the benefits for the same premium. Some insurance company does have a larger requirement to invest more of the premium in the investment to ensure the sustainability can last longer.

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post Jul 3 2020, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Yamcookies66 @ Jul 3 2020, 08:26 AM)
Hi, I need a third unbiased opinion.

So I have two agents from two different companies proposing me ILP plans. Which one do you think will be worth it for my long-term commitment?

Company A:
Monthly premium: RM180
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (multiple claims including early stages etc.)
PA: 50k
Medical card: Co-insurance RM300
(The agent reasoned with me that since their medical card is cheaper than the rest, actually I could save more and use the saved money to pay RM300 when I need to use the medical card)

Company B:
Monthly premium RM210
Life: RM100k
CI: RM50k (including diabetes benefits & etc.)
PA: RM50k
Medical card: Zero deductible

At first I was going for Company A but the difference between A and B is only RM30. So if I go for Company A, I would only save RM30x12 months = RM360 per year. Whereas I could use that money to buy plan from Company B with cashless admission. However, Company A reasoned that I won't be going to the hospital every year.

I think that it's like a gamble.
Company B: I pay annually an extra of RM360 more than Company A's premium but I can use the medical card hassle-free, but also I may be healthy and not have to use the medical card
OR
Company A: I can save RM360 for a few years if I never do any claims.

Which one is worth the risk/gamble?
I'm leaning towards Company B but I have to hear an unbiased opinion.
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I would say decide on which agent is serving you better and provide a more professional service. You can compare on the fund performance between the two companies as well.

My estimation for both policies are around age 50 which is a bit short due to the large benefits for low premium. This means that the premium will increase once the sustainability runs out. I advise you to check with your agents regarding the sustainability.
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post Jul 4 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(minmin86 @ Jul 4 2020, 08:24 AM)
Hi David, may i know what is the best sustainability for a plan in your opinion?
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Like lifebalance said, it's better to have sustainability of the policy to be projected until age 70 ++ which is the average life expectancy.

Some insurance companies allow their policies to have a shorter sustainability at around age 50 with a much larger benefits. So if you prefer more benefits and willing to pay more at around age 50, then you can go for a shorter sustainability.
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post Jul 6 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jul 4 2020, 11:49 PM)
GE have promotion for July sign up.
How to check whether I'm still under the 3888 sign up before I sign up?
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For annual premium, the policy must have RM3,600 annual premium and the policy must be in force before 31 July 2020. Also, only selected policy products like SPE3, SPJ, SPLM, SPW20 and SPS are qualified for this 5% cashback promotion.

To check whether your policy is in force, you can check with your agent and the agent has access with the GE internal system. If you have no medical problems, then the policy should be in force in less than a week.

May I know which policy are you getting?

QUOTE(afkwan @ Jul 6 2020, 12:24 AM)
Hi all sifus

Need help quote medical plan price. Prefer Prudential & AXA
Male, smoker, web designer
Birth month Feb 1986

Life-100k
39 CI-100k
R&B200
Hospital pocket money RM100/day
Waiver
Policy cover till age 80

TQTQ
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For GE, the premium is RM450 per month with projected sustainability up to age 73. You are entitled to 5% cashback of annual premium if you sign up with GE before 31st July.
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QUOTE(footie_ft @ Jul 10 2020, 01:57 PM)
Hi all,

I am looking for medical card for both my parent, dad 63 with history of diabetic and mum 59.

Anyone can advise if I would be able to get anything for them for 2.5k per year each? I guess my dad one would be tougher but appreciates any suggestion.

Thanks in advance.
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Father with history of diabetic will be more challenging and depending on the underwriting results. Annual premium for a healthy person at age 63 is minimum at 4k per year.

For mother at age 59, it would be around RM2k ++ per year.

QUOTE(AgentVIDIC @ Jul 11 2020, 11:06 PM)
Hi my mother in law bought her insurance at 69 and monthly cost is rm1k, medical card and little bit of life I think. Is it normal? Can she get cheaper premium? Thanks in advance.
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Since you mentioned that your mother in law has a bit of life insurance in the medical card, I am assuming this is an investment-linked policy. You may get cheaper policy with standalone medical card but the premium will increase according to age.

For standalone medical card, you are looking at around RM6k per year depending on the room and board/annual limit you prefer.

QUOTE(Dealus @ Jul 12 2020, 02:29 PM)
Hey there, details as below

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Male
Non smoker
Financial Analytics
I need medical cost coverage only as a top up to my existing company insurance. Around 1mil for the major illness like cancer. Hoping to have this insurance policy as my back up and retirement insurance package.
Don’t need investment link, PA or critical illness compensation
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Standalone medical for your age is estimated to be around, RM800 per annum. This premium will increase according to age, hence the affordability.

As long as you understand that standalone does not come with any life, critical illness and waiver (All of these are important coverages which makes your protection complete), you may go for standalone. You can consider to sign up other policies which provide coverage for life and critical illness to cover the loopholes in your protection.
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post Jul 16 2020, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(spiderwick @ Jul 16 2020, 04:38 PM)
Hi all,

I'm thinking to buy a medical card for my mum. Age is 66 years old this year. Wondering what options do i have.

Her health is generally fine. Thinking how much will it cost, coverage amount and up to how old.

Thank you so much for your help!
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I would advise getting medical coverage is a must. You may choose between standalone medical or investment-linked depending on your budget.

Investment-linked will be more expensive because more coverage like life insurance, critical illness or waiver can be added. Standalone medical is just medical coverage (cover for hospital bills only) alone and the premium will increase every 5 years according to the schedule.

Standalone medical you are looking at around RM4,000 per annum but the premium will increase every 5 years based on age. Investment-linked with life insurance coverage (RM30k) will be around RM12,000 per annum and this premium will stay fixed until the sustainability runs out which is estimated at around age 90.

If you think that life insurance is more important, you may go for pure life insurance policy for your mother. There are people who prefer general hospitals over private hospitals.

Take note that the maximum entry age for any insurance is age 70 so please get all the insurance coverage you need for your mom as soon as possible.

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post Jul 17 2020, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(spiderwick @ Jul 17 2020, 11:49 AM)
Thanks GE-DavidK, I'm looking for standalone medical. May i know how much does the premium will be increased every 5 years? Insured age is up to?
Kindly pm me the info. Thank you.
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Premium will increase approximately RM3,000 every 5 years. Coverage is up to age 100 as long as you are continuing paying the premium.


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post Jul 23 2020, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 23 2020, 12:37 AM)
Can PM me this plan for 1971 May?
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Standalone for male age 49, 1971, is estimated to be around RM1.7k annually with 1 million annual limit.

QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 09:56 AM)
how to upgrade GE policy with higher coverage?

have an old policy from 2005.

Great Protectlink Insurance with IL Health Protection

Annual Coverage is only 50K
Lifetime 200K.. mana cukup

Paying rm375 x4 per year
Investment value got rm12k now

Shall i just cancel this policy and buy a new one with unnlimited Lifetime?  Or possible buy another policy as a second policy?
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There are a few ways to do this.

1) You cancel this policy and get a second medical policy. Remember to pay for both policies for at least 120 days for the waiting period just to be safe.
2) You keep this policy and get a second policy with deductible of RM50k. The first 50k hospital expenses would be paid by the first policy and the remaining would be paid by the second. This option might be cheaper than the first option.

QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jul 23 2020, 10:10 AM)
thanks. like this it would be better to get a standalone plan right instead of the ilp i currently have for better coverage? Already over 40 but no history of health problems so far.
i have another 2 other policies under ge ,

Life 87 (sum assured rm75k - paying rm513x4 /year)  and

Supreme livingcare series 2 (sum assured rm52k - paying rm386x4/year) ...

all started in 2002. Shall i just leave those policies alone and keep paying..?
my concern now is on medical card ...
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For life insurance, the ideal coverage is roughly to be 10 times of your annual income. If your budget allows you to continue these life insurance policies, then you should continue. I agree with you that your medical insurance is on the low side considering 50k annual limit is very limited in today's medical expenses.
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post Jul 28 2020, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(cfc @ Jul 28 2020, 01:47 PM)
RHB Insurance MediSure Supreme

any RHB medical insurance agent here that able to offer reasonable and responsive service for outstation client that sign up under their hand ?

or is this a agent-free product ??  confused.gif
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RHB Medical insurance is most likely need to buy through agent. Because if agent free, you should be able to buy directly through website rather than submitting enquiry at the website.

You are looking for standalone medical insurance for age 61 - 65?

QUOTE(cfc @ Jul 28 2020, 02:03 PM)
yup , i mean local, ie agent from KL and I am from Penang
coz mostly we tend to buy insurance from agent in same neighbourhood or people you know, easier to pass form to them for claim purpose.
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Usually agents who is at KL is easier to pass forms to the HQ office for processing. Currently, most forms can be submitted via online or email.

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